The tweet from her manager:https://x.com/takanashikiara/status/2097694155048939686
Kiara’s melty from 2 days ago after the merger announcement. Keep in mind she also had a member only karaoke stream that was even worse than these chats.
Kiara has not and will continue to not do a single thing wrong.
Hopefully that Kiaraschizo stays talking to himself in the other thread
this thread is made by a pebble btw
>>114719558Yeah I’m a pebbleGOD. What does that have anything to do with this?
i like how it has a bigger melty than kiara
>>114719498>she also had a member only karaoke stream that was even worse than these chats.She was having technical difficulties and got really upset during a Holodori stream a few weeks ago, but she threw the VOD into the void. She's been out of it for a while.
>>114719481Bummer I guess
>>114719558We already know is not kiaraschizo
The weird thing is Raora said she was told about the merger quite a while ago but Kiara just loses her shit the day off as if she had never heard of it before?Does Kiara not get told these things anymore? Do they think they can't tell her since she'd just leak it instantly?
>>114719524>The EN and ID branches can be felt like outsidersYou faggots need to realize EN and ID not only "will never be japanese" but they underperform INSANELY when compared the worst performaning JP talents. Why? It's exclusively to demographic, the people that watch and buy in JP will ALWAYS outnumber the ones who do elsewhere.
I’m a bit concerned that non of the other former EN members have acknowledged this yet.
She should go camping with Gura.
>>114719498Hot
>>114719627Because they aren't retarded like Kiara
not my problem
>>114719558we already know pebbles are the best fanbase, don't need to remind us
they're calling it the most obvious copro stealth suspension of all time she literally said she was in trouble with management and by saying anything about the merger she was getting in more trouble
>>114719597nigga shes been depressed, she just couldnt reveal why and had to bottle everything up which is why shes exploding now
>>114719672hololive is not nijisanji, sister
>>114719481>>114719498Selen 2.0
>>114719692Big whoop she should do like everyone that gives a fuck and get a therapist or like anyone that doesn't and just kill herself already
>>114719704You have no idea about anything in the Selen situation outside of the nijisister talking points, huh
>>114719701>just ignore what the talent said
>>114719597She said she's been trying to vent for months( and failed miserably ). Maybe some part of her still expected some miracle to happen, but now that the merger got officialy announced she broke for good.
>>114719481kiara should just quit at this pointshe made enough money from holo and she's popular enough to survive on her own if dooby and nimi are any indication. shes even able to do concerts on her own without cover, so what do they really offer her?
>>114719672She was also Schizo about depresion and shit in chat so.
>>114719755>she's popular enough to survive on her ownLol, lmao even.
>>114719672>>114719701Imagine thinking and saying this after what happened with Haachama.
>>114719755i really dont think holos make as much money as people think they do sachi is coming back to vtubing because she needs money and nimi cant afford good 3d home tracking
>>114719481>have melty>stealth suspensionlmao
>>114719750>kiara>talent
>>114719597>why are people crying at a funeral?! the person was dead for at least a week
>>114719755She’ll be doing porn within a year of getting fired.
So, can we expect a response from Mori about this as the EN daisenpai and Kiara's genmate?
>>114719864That's conservative, if she were to quit or fired she'll open that of within the end of the year
>>114719888If she does it will be the most broad non specific thing ever because if you think anons here are tired of Kiara I can only imagine the groan that escaped Cali's mouth when she saw that tweet and screencaps
Sucks for her health issue but I will be lying if I said I would be sad to see her gone.
>>114719620>but they underperform INSANELY when compared the worst performaning JP talentsLmaoRemember Gura had the most subs in the whole hololive?Where is your proof exactly?I can understand ID underperferming, but EN it's not like that at all.
>>114719888She could just do the Ina way and simply repost the manager message, no need to stick your nose into anything.
>>114719935Yeah, you're probably right. I'm not schizophrenic enough to think that Mori hates Kiara or anything, but she's put up with so much of her shit for the past 6 years. Just a downside of working with such a sensitive sperg, I guess.
>>114719785Two cases could be due to their personal finances. I know two Cover talents that made their own 3D studio.
>>114719481>>114719498Is she pulling a Selen?
If only Kiara didn't collab with Pomu and her likes... she is Nijisanji
>>114719987Ok so what metric will you accept and how will you be moving the goalpost buddy? CCV is lower, hours watched lower, Unique chatters lower, paid memberships lower, ticket and event sales lower, merch sales are lower, sponsorships numbers and products are lower, superchat income is lower, hours streamer lower too.You tell my schizo friend
>>114719498>I don’t want to be dramatic but..Of course there’s a but, she knows she’s dramatic. It’s kiara 101, it’s never the positives, only “don’t you see how it affects me”you have a fucking dream job, getting numbers 99% of indies wish they could get, and yet every week there’s something to complain about.she looks to the “glory days” with rose tinted glasses, bitch you complained during those days too?? she genuinely does not know how to be happy or appreciative and makes it everyone else’s problem. she then wonders how could it be that she has less numbers than everyone and whines more?She thinks her problems are exclusively hers, as if everyone else in hololive never goes through the same shit including right now or ever before. Good luck saying any of this to a KFP though, her fan base it just an echo chamber reinforcing her misery, like a pity circlejerk.
>>114719498>having your oshi treat you as her personal therapist as she spirals into a mental breakdownHot. KFP are so fucking spoiled.
>>114720073Still no proof posted.
>>114720078Actually now that you mention it yeah its a little hot in that pity caretaker way
>>114720093There's no reasoning with you if you are willfully being a retard anon so I will stop. Go ask your inbred parents to spoonfeed you the data you want to ignore
>>114720093His entire post is proof.
>>114719481>>114719498I PRAYED FOR THIS AND IT HAPPENED!
>>114720077go back to /lig/
>>114719498Good lord, I had an ex with anxiety problems, and this is a textbook example of a crazy chick with anxiety problems... Yeah, nothing we or anyone can do; she needs meds asap and then therapy. Also, believe it or not, a good dicking also helps relieve some stress, but she doesn't even have that. But honestly, I’d feel sorry for the guy who had to take on that job; it’s really NOT worth it.
Instead of being a straight X retard she should just hit the bottle, god that would be so hot
>>114719636>>114720078>>114720110I wanna choke her the fuck out
>>114720126>muh spoonfeedNo because your point goes against proofsLike the one i already mentioned, Gura being top sub>>114720138No, that's statement, not proof.He's not proving anything, he is just saying stuff.In another post someone posted some data, you might find interesting how EN beats the "worst performing JP talents"
>>114720077>it’s never the positivesI genuinely despise how you and people similar to you phrase your arguments when it comes to blaming someone for struggling to see positives, especially in stuff you're passionate about. Hope your toxic positivity will keep biting you in the ass until you die.
>>114720330>toxic positivity will keep biting you in the assBased AIDS chad.
>>114719481Dear G-d, please watch over Kiara during this difficult time. Keep her safe, protect her mental health, and give her strength and peace. May she know that she is loved and supported by real human beings, and may she come through this safely and happily.Amen. #WhereIsKiara
>>114719781Haachama and Wawa make me uoh
>>114720285>EN and ID isn't underperforming guys!>Whole ass picture of EN and ID underperforming when compared to JPOh buddy you failed like basic math huh?
>>114720381I hope her newly lake house is okey.
>>114720078It's very intimate. It's a type of GFE those who have more standard oshis will never know. They get to see more of the real Kiara. Isn't that beautiful?
>>114720416>gets proven wrong>-IZZAT>can't show he's lost face>ACTUALLY THE NUMBERS SHOWING EN IS DOING BETTER THAN A TON OF JP TALENTS SHOWS THE OPPOSITEMumbai coded post. Keep clawing back that lost izzat.
>>114720285Anon imma need you to do two things, first take your meds, then do a simple sum of the number of the branches and compare them to one another. After that get back to us.
>>114720464Kiara's ass is beautiful
>>114719627They’re keeping their heads down so they don’t get suspended.
>>114720470Not him but: More JP members may mean a larger overall revenue stream but it ALSO means more costs.
>m-mental health break!Bitch got suspended hahaha
"Male vtubers are so menhera!!"Female vtubers: >>114719498
>>114720330I’m not pretending that it’s entirely sunshine and rainbows over there, I’m sure there’s times it looks bleak, high workload, out of your comfort zone etc etcBut how is that exclusive to kiara? Genuinely every week there’s a twitter post by her or her fans saying she’s upset about something, 90% of the time it’s something that she’s managed to make about herself. Do you see CC, Liz complaining about this merge? They’re also Europe. The other girls have at least tried to adapt, kiara refuses and then wonders why she’s suddenly drowning, then thinks back during 2020 times when it was “peak holoEN” but back then she wasn’t happy either, it’s just laughable that she of all people acts like it was perfect back then. There’s tons of non JP speaking holo’s that haven’t crashed out, does she think waiting a few weeks will make it different??
>>114720571I have no answer for you. I also don't blame her too much either. We all deal with stress differently.No, I'm not KFP, but I sure as fuck know how it is to watch your favorite workplace get worse over the years.
>>114720571She already said on the chat it wasn't all the merger, so there is other stuff we don't know about troubling her.
>>114719558We know is beBOTS
>>114720642Yeah, me
>>114720468Anon you literally posted a pic that shows that JP made about $2.2 million more than EN, streamed nearly 3× as many lives and has about 2.4× as many membershipsAre you a fucking retard?
>>114719481Holo is trying to play this off but to me it feels like how hollywood forced britney spear to give up her rights for ''mental health''
>>114720691Before this was even announced she was posting privately about “leaving socials” for a while, I don’t think she was forced, otherwise other members complaining would be taking similar breaks lol
How do we capitalise on this?
>>114720679Now compare how many EN talents there are to how many JP talents there are
Cover needs to deploy FWMC to deal with Kiara for good
>>114719665ok now you're being just as retarded as him
>>114720805So what? Do you think the suits give a fuck about individual contribution? Only if you are Pekora or Marine otherwise you are just contributing to the branch and on numbers alone EN is underperforming when compared to JP.
She's your problem now Indie Avengers fags lmao
At least I know Kiara won't resort to faking a suicide
>>114720416>>114720470You said here: >>114719620>"but they underperform INSANELY when compared the worst performaning JP talents"And now you're just moving the goalpost making the sum all the branches.Next time decide your words better instead of being retarded.
>>114720922Aren't you supposed to keep the Nijisistery hidden?
>>114720782Boyfriend yab
>>114720928Lmao the schizo never left the thread THE SCHIZO NEVER LEFT THE THREAD
>>114720971uh oh
>>114720928Oh to be this retarded, your life most be so awesome man
>>114720904>Indie AvengersThis is the most brown phrase on the board
>people on twitter are actually doing the #whereiskiara shitOh god please no
>>114721007We don't narrate our posts here.
>>114721016I'm not on xitter enough to understand what that means.
>>114720963Sakana has a boyfriend? Damn it should have been me. I could need a rich asian sugar daddy...
>>114720543Wrong, since many of the new managers are ex niji managers, they will optimize and prioritize the good holos, and leave the rest to rot. They know it, and that's why Kiara is raging and the other international holos stop caring
>>114721025>t. Brownoid
>>114719481SELEN NUMBER TWO
Kiara.... Come home
>>114720904>Indie AvengersWhy are SEAtards obsessed with this gay ass term?
>>114721093We don't sign our posts here.
>>114721138Why are you?
>>114721133meh, should have posted fishman, higher chances.
>>114719481Oh look at these posts that was 100% made by them and not their new Japanese only manager
What can I say? Us antis? Yeah, we ALWAYS win.
i will save her
Kiara is a woman
>>114720863The suits care about Profit, and profit is revenue minus costs. Higher headcount means higher costs. EN is more efficient than JP.
>>114721285NTA but christ it's like 3 am in Japan chill.
>>114721080If they were going to do this all the low earners even on the JP side would've already graduated by now
>>114721385That why it was made by their new Japanese speaking manager because the rest of them got cut to save cost because the shareholders told them to
>>114721285Raora just replied to it so maybe they are just slow with the acknowledgments (cope)
>>114721272I want what you're smoking
RAORA HAS SHOWN HER SUPPORT FOR KIARASHE HAS BETRAYED HOLOLIVE
>>114720998>tell bullshit>gets debunked>"YOU RETARDED!!!"That's why you didn't want to show proof.You knew, deeply, you played yourself with your own words
>>114721489See >>114721285
Who will change other holomember's diapers while she is gone
>>114721522Fuwawa
I still don't get why Kiara is hated on /vt/. Maybe because I don't watch collabs with more than 2 members?
>>1147194815ch JOP’s thoughts on the situation
>>114721608>538so true
>>114721550Babysitting Mococo is already a lot
>>114719481>no sololive>her roommate concert flops terribly that they had to do buy 2 get 2 free tickets and they still couldn't getting it full>en branch gets consolidated>she embarrasses herself publicly about the news whil the 30+ other talents affected by it handle it professionallybad year for wawa
>>114721608>2485HOLY GIGA TRUKE
>>114721680Wawa is distressed because I show her my member too often
>>114721411>Jp average corpo mentalitySome will tho
>>114721608Bruh what in the Namek was that Piccolo post
>>114719481What's the big fucking deal about the merger? I still don't get it.
>>114719864She going to JAV? Yeah, sure...
>>114721818Basically, most EN and ID will be gone in 2-3 years.Hope that helps.
>>114721818ID is whining because they'll have to pull their weight and not be able to leech off everyone else.The ENs that aren't in Japan are whining because they'll get less support than they already did and don't want to move to Japan or learn Japanese.
>>114721818Nothing other than some worry it may not executed well, Kiara is just being overly dramatic about the whole losing muh identity https://youtu.be/Uk94p2lvgdoBasically this clip but change Kanade to Kiara and being 100% serious because she got big ego.
>>114721850>She going to JAV?Think a little darker. Well, a lot darker. Black, one could say.
>>114721818because it means the road for the runts just became impossiblethis was Kiara>founding member of a current branch and the 1st gen>branch was getting concert dedicated to them every year>only gets compared to en and even if she was a runt, she was still a branch daisenpai so that commands a certain amount of respectthis is Kiara>myth is now just the 7th holo gen>being daisenapai for a dead branch aka it doesnt matter>now she is compared to everybody, so she is legit runt-runt>can no longer request special consideration because she is just another guyKiara went from kinda special because she was a founder of a branch, to now she is Ollie.
>>114719620>underperform massively compared to the worst performing JPdyrbi
>>114721913Kiara was a founding member who fought for EN when even the staff themselves didn't believe in them and their only contribution was to ban the girls from collabing with Coco, the person they wanted to reach out to the most.
>>114721790Some time ago westerners found out that OG DB Piccolo in the black and white manga is drawn with dark skin. He ended up green skinned in the anime so people then lost their marbles about them "changing" his skin color and erasing black representation.It was terribly forced and became a meme in Japan.
>>114719864Niggas said this about Kson and I'm still waiting
>>114721890>>114721913>>114721931EN and ID will no longer get their own stuff and concerts because the Share holders don't want anyone who isn't Japanese to get stuff
>>114721790>>114721985The first time we ever saw Piccolo in color was a colored page in the DBZ manga on Namek. Up until that point everyone thought he was black because of the dark grey shading used.
it’s time to go and join her merry band of whores, nimi and mint
>>114722005>EN and ID will no longer get their own stuff and concertsAnd that's a good thing.
>>114720416>pause play, goalpost moving in progressHe responded to a guy who said every single JP performed better than all ID and EN, which was obviously wrong. Go be a faggot somewhere else.
>>114719498ITT: JP bootlickers pulling what they did with Haachama and blaming the victim
>>114722069No one will learn or speak your dying island language Jappy because everyone speak English Jappy and your race can't learn anything but your dying island language Jappy
>>114721973I'm not denying anyone contribution but she is basically demanding to be treated like Sora when she isn't actual founder and from a side branch that exists thanks to the main branch, that's simply ridiculous.
>>114720998I never knew if the stories about Indians refusing to lose their izzat by denying objective reality were true, but now I guess you've provided proof.
>>114721285>no ShioriGuess Kiara knows what she did to Gura then.
>>114722107Anal sex with Haachama at the JP mental hospital uoh
>>114722136t. zhanggo eat bat
>>114722107Because they're drones who can't break away from the group because their brain don't have the part that allowed people to think freely
>>114721818Corporate mergers always result in layoffs so ID & EN are on chopping block. And all future resources will be going to just the native JP girls and Mori.
>>114722149Anon she mentioned she was stuck in diapers the entire time
>>114722151That meme died with Coco
>>114722148Cutest model in en tbdesu
>>114721608>on Hololive anti-fan forumsLOL they got this place pegged. They should also learn about the schizos that run around here.
>>114721285Also to point out that CC had a family member die of unnatural causes on top of her father and grandmother both being in the hospital. That tends to draw a little more support than someone who has a mental breakdown every 24 hours.
>>114721522I volunteer to change Ina’s diapies.
>>114721608>2715Has a point.
>>114719498>oh no the company I work for is changing it's name a little, I want to die now.What is wrong with this bitch?
>>114722222Support the girls, don't oshi the corpo. We've been over this
>>114719498>she also had a member only karaoke stream that was even worse than these chatshttps://gofile.io/d/IRZPKwKN
>>114722051Mint isn't a whore just because she reads doujins.
>>114722305THANK YOU you fucking legend
>>114720468Amerifags talking about losing faceKEKYou fags have no more izzat to lose
>>114719481>>114719498Normally I would say that a baby would fix her, but she would just Lindsay Clancy it. Doubly so because she is a white woman.
>>114720863>gets caught>SO WHAT!Yup. That's a jeet.
>>1147216082742 nailed it on the head. The racism goes both ways and if you have chat in another language exceeding your own it becomes a bit of confusion which side the conversation flows in a polite manner.
Current Opinions of EN and ID (and Jurard)Though I will say Ollie's opinion has likely softened towards Mixed as of her most recent stream
>>114722694>happy>everyone is a weeb that lives in japanlol
>>114719481>>114719498They’d better keep their mouths shut because we all know Kiara knows all their dirty secrets! If she gets fired or quits, she’ll spill the beans. So just think what she must know about Mori... Yikes!!!
>>114719481WE WON LET THE BITCH GRADUTED
>>114722694It's funny how twitter will make you think every girl fucking hates it when it's literally just the ID runts, Kiara, and homos
>>114722709YES BROTHER MAKE THEM ALL GRADUATED
>>114722694Advent the management pet gen no surprise there
Kiara knows exactly what everyone other holo member's asshole smells like and she will tell the world.
>>114722704Well, if their plan is mostly to leech 1st army and the JP audience, they don't need EN
>ENcumrags thought they were relevant even though they barely amount a fifth of the company's revenue despite the dollar having a much better financial power than the YenKawaisou-peko. I had predicted the merging a few years ago and now I'm seeing the ENwhores bawling their eyes out because they serve no purpose compared to the main branch.
Kiara has been here for 6 years.She knows what is happening and what is in store for people like her + ID (they are now gonna get marginally more support than Homostars that is pretty much their ceiling now)
>>114722866>they are now gonna get marginally more support than Homostars that is pretty much their ceiling nowBut that was already the case for them as IDs.They had fuck all in terms of support for years now, it can not possibly get any worse for them.
>>114719481>HoloEN is merged with other 2 branches into Hololive, basically ended her current biggest claim to fame>Other girls didn't share her full doom and gloom mood (which probably was what led her to say that she felt isolated last week)>She could only get a pity duolive w/ Ina while other younger members (IRyS, Bae, FWMC) are getting sololives>Her backup option (RM) turns out to be a lot less popular than she thought (concert struggled to sell even just 60% of their tickets)Her break makes perfect sense if you think about it
>>114719498She says it's not "just" because of the merger. I haven't been able to keep up with her recently. Did she hint at other things that were bothering her recently?
>>114722305She seems like she is actually delusional. Low key putting other ENs by saying that she’s the realistic one and that she doesn’t have rose tinted glasses.
>>114719701u right, cause NijiEN still exists LMAO!
>>114722885but in Kiara's case, she was deluded into thinking that she was gonna get a sololive because she was a Gen1 of a branch and that should count for a lot
>>114722932she's right most members are bootlickers
>>114722941exists is a strong word lmao
>>114723013If only she called them bootlickers, but she called them retards with rose-tinted glasses there. Bootlickers are at least smart and did what they think would benefit them.
>>114723013The more independent ones left. The ones in the most painful position are those too emotionally attached to make a clean exit.
>>114722866ID already got more supports over the last 2 days since the announcement than they had for last 1-2 years, though, with one of those directly improves their lives
>>114723114>ID already got more supports over the last 2 days since the announcementsuch as what? twitter likes? a temp boost in viewership because of drama?
>>114722305>>114722932>>114723085Kiara is right
>>114723102the ones still around are the ones who moved to japan, if they graduate they lose their residency visa and get deported there is a reason cover wants them to move to japan, its part convenience part control, holoEN are like visa jeets, kiara is pretty much the only one not living in japan or preparing to move there
>>114723114Really? What support did ID receive?
>>114723135>>114723190you missed the Kobo sololive in Saitama Super Arena being announced
>>114723190Getting the chopping block like homostars. lmao
>>114719481Good idea, I think she needs to chill.
>Mori is corpo queen and gets by far the most benefits from licking the boot>Ina is semi retired>Irys and Bae are already half JP and only care about music>Kronii doesn't care about anything>Advent is management pet project>Justice is too new to have opinionsKiara is unironically the only one you can trust
>>114723190>>114723135There were at least two things.They gained access to their SociaBuzz accounts again after their (previous?) management shut those down before. They've been asking their management to reopen those account for a long while. Given that SociaBuzz takes a much smaller cut than YT (5% IIRC, vs YT 30%), obviously this would allow them to make more moneyA lot more minor, but they are also allowed to use swimsuits in their streams and post swimsuit now (although IDK if IDs members living in ID can use their swimsuit on stream because that is - somehow, according to IDs - illegal in Indo). Zeta already did a stream with swimsuit on. One boost their livelihood. The other might or might not boost their popularity
>>114723175it's the usual exploitation you see in entertainment and other one-sided work environments. ever notice that weird thought process among holotards about how it's such an easy job the girl should be honored to even have it? and that there's replacements waiting for their opportunity? oh btw the company will have full control over your visa status heh.
>>114721818>Surely we will have another Hololive English concert next year, oh wait...>Surely we will have another Hololive English collab soon, oh wait...>Surely we will have another Hololive English Tournament soon, oh wait...
>>114723333The EN larping collabs were so boring how did any of you guys stand it.
>>114723333>Surely we will have another Hololive English collab soon, oh wait...What is this then?https://x.com/fuwamoco_en/status/2097727789231472981>I-I meant full HoloEN, not just a group of themA full HoloEN collab hasn't happened in a very long time
>>114723370Tell me you don't watch streams without telling me you don't watch streams
>>114723333they can collab or have tournaments any time they want if someone bothered to organize it
>>114723370Cover Damage Control
>>114719558based pebchads
>>114722305https://rentry.org/9xhmsmeqtranscript
>>114723333what does the merge have to do with this
if they waited after HoloEN anniversary to snnounce the whole merge crap she wouldn't have crash down this bad
people calling it a merger instead of a consolidation are funny
>>114719481>Holo merges all branches>Kiara: ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME MEShe never learns.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'M MERGIIIIIIIIIIIINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOH I'M GONNA MEEEEEEERGEEEEEEEEE
>>114723400>HoloID creates all their arenas for their invitational tournies and test them out>HoloEN relies on staff to create their eventsIt is honestly not the same at all. I wonder if the merger will reveal how lazy EN really are.
>>114723394Tell me when the last full-HoloEN collab was and if it happened within the last 3-6 months >ENReco!ENReco will still happen
>>114723333You're putting collab and tournament as one of your point only makes your argument looks stupid, I get that you're just trying to exaggerate how "grim" the merge is and trying to hide the fact that it's only about losing the special treatment of getting EN concert
>>114719481#whereiskiara
>>114723519Why should they? It's all branch merge including ID and Dev_is, it's not just about EN and they announced it during Sora/Hololive anniversary, the merge isn't even the main focus it's just part of news.
nothing really changed those who want opportunities move to Japan and the rest will be fine coasting on gaming streams
>>114723473The idea was that since they are no longer "HoloEN", they don't get EN-only privileges anymore
>>114723764those were an EN-only privilege? what
>>114723555the moorger
>>114723689How do you know nothing changed? Mergers always mean change otherwise they wouldn't change.
>>114723304>>Advent is management pet projectAdvent is also the only gen that knows they have to beat their managers into submission.
Kiara just put out a member post saying she's feeling better, that she's coming back next week and that she's not stealth suspended
>>114723800Don't forget forget having managers who try to get stuff for the EN members unlike with the Japanese ones who just ghosted them and don't know that Irys and Biboo are not the same person
>>114723896That's good to hear.
>>114723896[SAD NEWS]
>>114723896>>114723965>>114723971Person who got stabbed say they wasn't stabbed by the people they worked for
>>114723879And forget the layoffs because the managers for EN and ID will be layoff because why have managers for EN and ID when you just give the same managers as JP despite them not understanding EN or ID and will tell them no without giving info on why when someone asked for something
>>114719481Waaaaaaaah waaaaah waaaaaah!
>>114724018anything else happening in your fantasy land
>>114719558no it was made by ninafags
>>114723800EN-only concert is an EN-only privilege. Now chances are they won't be getting EN-only concerts anymore, but just concert in EN (NA specifically) w/ both EN and JP members. In fact, Mori mentioned that possibility months ago
>>114723896Thanks new manager for reassuring us. We never liked the old one and look forward to you tard wrangling Kiara back to work.
did HoloEN gens even get gen only concerts?even Phase had Origins get a 3d venue concert hell PhaseCon was built around their anniversary and a celebration for them.
>>114724051Why do you cope this hard that there wouldn't be layoff of "unneeded" people when the shareholders want all of the money at the cost of the people working there
>>114719481YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>114724088Which is good and fair.
>>114724018I love these manager suspension posts, just shows people here will just talk and talk about shit they know literally nothing about.Their managers are personal managers, they are Japanese, they swap now and then inbetween talents, why would they be fired you dull retards.
>>114724124NTA, but there has been 0 indication of any lay-off whatsoever. No member has mentioned that their managers are getting fired or removed - IRyS's manager, for example, is still around. I guess you can point at FWMC mentioning that their manager was quitting, but that was a while ago before the merge (and that's only one manager).We do know, though, that their Project Director is moved to the new Hololive while still is Project Director
>b-but Fubuki said everything will be okay and nothing changed.LMAO fucking bootlickers.
I wanted to get actual theories on why the merger is making her schizo out but it seems the browns are here. kiara is a fucking drama queen tho. hope she gets married or something so she can have someone to vent this shit out too that is not her fans
>>114724151>>114724168Because in the eyes of shareholders, they don't think about people and only cost, and if they can cut people to make money without any drop in their money, they will cut people
I will lick foobs boot, that's right
>>114719736If therapy wouldn't be so bastardised I would agree with that sentence
>>114724241counterpoint homos are still employed
>>114724241>Talent has her Manager while under EN/ID>Talent is now part of merged Hololive>Talent still has her ManagerIs this so hard to understand you fucking retard?
>>114723459Error
>>114724232Isn't it obvious it's just because sentimental shit like losing EN label which means she isn't "daisenpai" of EN anymore? There is literally no other reason because we can't tell the merge is good or bad thing right now, only assumptions.
>>114722302>Japanese company>Japanese culture >Japanese rulesNah, you are in the wrong here. Either adapt the japanese ways, love the corpo not the talent, or fuck off to watch other chuubas.
>>114719481>>114719498You lost, dramacucks
>>114724330>Isn't it obvious it's just because sentimental shit like losing EN label which means she isn't "daisenpai" of EN anymore? this + she said her members stream without saying it that it kills her dream of ever having a "you know" (sololive).Kiara NEEDED the EN daisenpai title to have any chance whatsoever to get that sololive. and she lost it and she knows it.meanwhile shitty 3D oshilive/oshispark will flirt with her and offer a bad 3d sololive if she goes indie at some 700 seat bingo hall in a b-tier city, which will probably be her consideration.
>>114724202Literally nothing changed, the people who got angry and are making are the ones that are always angry and depressed.
>>114724409if you really believe that you’re quite retarded
>>114724316Because the manager they've worked with, built a rapport with, and who has looked out for the talent because THAT IS THE MANAGER'S JOB - is now gone, and replaced with another Jap manager who will loathe the talent for being a gaijin, let alone a gaijin in a radically different gaijin. Fuck's sake, they're even cutting the existing JP managers. So in addition to there being a new structure, the managers left will be stuck with an even greater workload, thus adding to the friction. But there's less overhead now, so Brackrock-sama won't be too angry.
>>114724453Seethe more, dramacuckYou lost
>>114724468source?
>>114724232It's most likely a some shit going on on her personal life + normal work stress + merger, actual depression is not something you cure, it comes and goes, sometimes it hits you on a good time and you can deal with it and sometimes it catches you off-guard and stressed and it fucking destroys you.
Kiara will still get her bday live, still be invited to fes, and will still probably have a spot in the hololive US concert in 2026 (which they will have, but it will be mixed now basically a glorified world tour concert)what she will never have is a dedicated gen live, a sololive, or another full EN live.
>>114724517Towa's manager, for one. She made a xitter post about it, but I'm not logging back in just to screenshot it.
>>114724431I think Kiara has even missed the boat on non-holo 3D events. Shit has cooled off. The novelty is kinda gone and 3D idol stuff in American was always a niche thing to begin with. It is just not hype anymore. The super indie NYC concert was a disaster. The time to have done that and turned into into something memorable was in 2024-2025.
>>114724468THEY WHERE ALWAYS JAPANESE YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID AND THEY ARE STILL THE SAME HOLY FUCKING SHIT THERE ISN'T EVEN AN OFFICE OUTSIDE OF JAPAN, STOP TALKINGalso Blackrock hasn't had any Shares in hololive for a while now
Some women are just genuinely mentally ill and if you want to be their fan you have to be somewhat understanding of their behavior
This is a nothingburger guys pack it up.
>>114724409>I’ve been staying away from social media>directly mentions the recent rrats about stealth suspended lol ego searching will do wonders for her mental health break
>>114724431Why would the merge kill her dream of ever having a sololive? It didn't kill IRyS's, Bae's or FWMC's. "Just" focus on selling more merch and CDs.If she meant she was handicapped for not living in Japan, that was already the case before the merge
>>114721608I know you want us to go like "woah based!", but all I can see is a pathetic group of bug people who will never have the courage to speak up or do something about problems.like:>I understand if you're unhappy because you were actually told "your treatment will get worse" and even then I'd say don't do it in public.wtf kind of boot licker mentality is this. What the fuck happened to the pre- 21st century Japanese, where did they go.
>>114724624Towa's manager just quit, they weren't being fired. There has always been manager-churn in Hololive and the merge isn't going to stop that
>>114725012because she doesnt have the numbers or the talent to get one. she NEEDED the en myth gen1 daisenapi status to get it, and it is gone.
>>114725012I think that anon point is she doesn't have enough number that's why her only chance is her getting some sort of special treatment because she is EN daisenpai which is stupid if she actually thinks that made up status has any value other than being a joke parody of Hololive daisenpai
>>114719481Should’ve done this earlier for archive’s sake Previous thread >>114716535
>>114721411Getting paid, even if little, to play video games is already a dream job to many.
>>114724636What made it a disaster?
>>114719864Not with her butterface she isn't.
>BTW I am not stealth suspended Do you really believe it?
>>114725840they rented a 3000 seat theatre, sold 1200 tickets the first few days then only sold 200 tickets over the next 2 months, and then had to do buy 1 get 1 free tickets and give tickets away to anybody who would take them
>>114725889she already has porn
>>114725889Ryona porn with a bag on her head, she has her past experience that would help her be a good ryonactress.
>>114720928The anon is an EN anti pretending to care about JP talents. They will always move the goalpost or create one out of thin air.
>>114725912The 1630s called, the puritans are asking if you want to take the journey to the americas with them.
>>114724468>>114724661>>114724517>>114724624>>114725065I don't understand because if the EN Manager was always Japanese then why are they friendly with EN and fought to get stuff for EN
>>114721601she has a habit of telling the truth and nothing is hated more in the third world
>>114725896When she comes back next week yes.Actually the only stealth suspension that wasn't really stealth anyway was Ao and she was gone for months
>>114725063I never understand why people post shit from Japs here. they are up pretty up there in being some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet
>>114726009You wanna know the bitter truth? Everything you read in this thread, this whole board even, is made up bullshit. Nobody actually knows anything, people just make shit up and after a while it becomes "the truth".
>>114725911Well filling up half the venue seems fine to me. I would've gone but getting a plane ticket to go see it is a big ask. I'm sure that asking fans to go to a big Holo concert THEN a big indie concert is a big time and money ask that a lot of people just could not deal with.
>>114726029>people just make shit up and after a while it becomes "the truth".Isn't that how English and spelling work because there is proof that people spelled words however they wanted and it took forever for the true spelling of words to stick
>>114726029Pretty much but we do know alot of the managers since many of them have been with the girls for ages
>>114721790japan has the highest tier retards. our schizos are nothing compared to them.
>>114726084I wonder where the "fought to get stuff for EN" stuff came from because i forgot
>>114719481>>114719498She is making 6 figures a year, how hard is taking a tiny fraction of that and pay for weekly therappy sessions? Is the most normal thing in the world for people who can afford it
>>114726028You act like a ton of the inflammatory posts here are any more intelligent of takes. I would only say we are better because we aren't afraid of saying anything, and that honesty does make for more intelligent discussion in the end. I still have to wade through a bunch of dogshit while here, though.
>>114726011I didn't know Japan was the third world.
>>114726184I guess you learned something new today
>>114721601I can’t speak for everyone else but:- always makes things about herself in which she’s the victim.- somehow also has it tougher than absolutely everyone, despite everyone in hololive going through the exact same shit.- always has something to complain about.- her fanbase is just essentially an echo chamber and yes men combined, so she doesn’t learn or improve.- her voice and behaviour (especially in collabs) is unbearable.- she keeps talking about missing holomyth and the good ol’ days, even though at the time she was never happy and complained all the time then too.
>>114726130Pretty sure those were the first generation managers like jenma, no? After they got rotated out under omega the enshitification started.
>>114721411To be fair, they axed StarsJP
>>114726228>always makes things about herself in which she’s the victim.She talks about herself on her own stream and on her own twitter. Both of which you should never get in contact with if you hate her so much>somehow also has it tougher than absolutely everyone, despite everyone in hololive going through the exact same shitabsolutely untrue. She had it worse from the first day, living in a mold infested shit hole with mice running around, a (first) manager who didn't even text her the times for meetings and now travelling 40k miles a year just to keep dancing and singing.>always has something to complain about.see, as a germanic I just can't fathom how you people can live with your heads down, never making a peep out of fear it offends someone, I guess it's just a cultural difference>her fanbas is just essentially an echo chamber and yes men combinedthat's because most of kfp are Kiara fans, not "hololive/cover" fans. must be a though concept for bootlickers>her voice and behaviour (especially in collabs) is unbearablethere are at least 4 girls in hololive with much worse voices, yet somehow nobody hates on them for it>she keeps talking about missing holomyth and the good ol' days, even though at the time she was never happy and complained all the time then too.so she is just like 90% of the anons on this board then. I guess projected self-hate would be one explanation.
>>114725840Numbermonkeys have been calling anything involving Nimi, Shachi, etc. a disaster, even if they're tangentially involved.They called Doki's concert a disaster too because it didn't sell out "fast enough."
>>114725840buy 2get 2 free
>>114722151He's right. Anything JP-only has no future because Japan has no future. Their population is in freefall. Their money is in freefall. The culture is in freefall. Their youth are in maximum druggie escapist overcope more. Japan is a sinking ship, and Hololive's c-suite saying "oh fuck we blew hundreds of millions in failed Metaverse and gacha initiatives and our profits are in the toilet, better can our international branches instead of dumping our hundreds of employees that manage these useless white elephants" is a perfect microcosm of why. Member when it took Management's clueless bitch asses over a year to fumble their way through Ina's situation? That's all who's left. Any talent who's not currently living in Japan just got soft terminated because it is simply too hard for Japanese corpos to navigate timezones or language barriers. Skill issue dayo.
>>114726451 (me)actually to be more specific, they didn't even call it doki's concert. They still called it Nimi's concert even though she was a last minute fill to sing just one song.
>>114724518true, just wish girl had better outlets/ coping mechanisms than dramastirring>>114724431eeeeh, i don’t think she was gonna be getting a solo anytime soon anyways. if she grinded music for two or three years she would get it, EN title or not. I’m not sure if her music stats are any higher than the avg JP so they’ll probably get through those first before looping back to her again since doing them in JP is cheaper >>114725911ouch i thought those flesh lives were going really well. maybe they should scale their venue down and be happy with filling 1500 seats
>>114726042If you only fill up less than half a venue you should have rented a half sized venue.
>>114726629>>114726569if they knew then what they know now, they would have rented something in the 1000 seat range like how densetsu got a 5 minute sell out cause it was around that sizeit is not the girls fault, it is oshilive's fault they grossly over estimated the demand
>>114726371She also has a weirdly broken family and had to grow up without a real father, which is probably the biggest reason she became the way she is.
>>114726714...Why?They don't have shareholders to appease, sold plenty of tickets, and the difference between renting the venue partially and fully isn't very much. Not to mention the fact that as always, the merch sold like hotcakes. Genuinely what's the issue aside from some third worlders seething that the noombers weren't high enough?
>>114726569It was a offputting concert mixing in flesh with vtubers. I hope they never do something like that again. It deserved the poor turnout it got.
>>114726494>Anything JP-only has no future because Japan has no future. Their population is in freefall. Their money is in freefall. The culture is in freefall. Their youth are in maximum druggie escapist overcope more.>describe america but call it japanlolIna was not a fumble it was disciplinary action because the bitch was trying to defraud hololive, she fell in line just fine.
>>114726763because the event cost money and possibly hurts future events in 2027 for other vtubers that the runners do.only they know just how much money they lost on it, and a 3000 seat venue in nyc (which requires union everything) is not gonna be cheap. they also likely lost some goodwill among concert goers because if the next concert because why would you pay a premium price for a ticket when you can get it for free if you wait?
>>114726763>sold plenty of ticket50%
>>114726872>defraud hololiveqrd??
>>114726569For what it's worth, I've never heard anything about it being a "disaster" outside of /here/, usually combined with a picture of Nimi. Seems like the girls are planning to do more too, so I'd take /vt/'s opinion with a grain of salt.
>>114726944so 1500 tickets not counting merch? This is a problem how? >>114726902So... speculation with no evidence? Everything I've heard from the girls says they made tons off of it, and that the money comes from the merch on-site and online as usual. That combined with the fact that Oshispark keeps pumping out concerts with these places makes a good case for you being full of shit.
>>114726371>see, as a germanic I just can't fathom how you people can live with your heads down, never making a peep out of fear it offends someone, I guess it's just a cultural differenceLiterally whining and crying and sniveling all stream during what was supposed to be a karaoke isnt the big badass brave stand you think it is lol.She came off as more than unstable in that moment while having a nervous crying breakdown, especially when gauged against the reactions of other Holos to the consolidation.Germanics haven't had any men since 1945 as well
>>114725012>Why would the merge kill her dream of ever having a sololive? It didn't kill IRyS's, Bae's or FWMC's.Anon we are in the middle of a global recession, the EN vtuber market has declined, and merging EN into the main JP branch means that Kiara is now competing with several bigger name talents for a sololive (several of the JP talents also have seniority). That doesn't mean that her dream of a sololive is impossible but it decreases the odds and remember that Haato stated that management lied to her for years. There is nothing wrong with an idol aiming high but unrealistic dreams can turn into a curse. Kiara has achieved more than 99.99% of EN vtubers and while Cover bootlickers are quick to defend management they are a business. They will choose sololives based on what sells the most tickets.
>>114727164So first you were annoyed she openly critized cover publicy on twitter and stream, and now you are crying about stuff she does in a closed members stream? Are you maybe a woman?
>>114727322>Haato stated that management lied to her for yearswhats the deal with her? havent been following at all
>>114719663If Kiara graduates Nimi has to keep her. They can play Age of Empires 2 as a collab.
>>114727328I'm not but what if I was huh? What then? Would you love me then, anon?Would i make you happy just like Wawa?
>>114727356I'm a tourist to Haato but I've heard she dealt with two shitty abusive families and a history of severe mental health issues. She also felt very isolated in Holo and eventually had a public meltdown. She hasn't been allowed to stream since.
>>114727548Oh so they're the old "throw the those we want gone into one of our windowless rooms with nothing to do and wait for them to quit"
>>114722885Now you add real jp autism corpo management. At least they were somewhat free before
>>114727548It's not nearly that clean cut or simple. She's got her issues (like most of us) but Hololive also went from a fun quirky hobby where a teenager could make friends to global brand that reduces young women to entertainment commodities in a high pressure environment, and that's not easy either.
>>114723883Shiori femdom her manager, lucky guy
>>114726494>Any talent who's not currently living in Japan just got soft terminatedExactly. Kiara will never get the resources she deserves again, unless she packs up and moves to gaijin alley in Tokyo. There is nothing left to hope for or even support, for a talent not living in Japan already.
>>114726716She wasn't easy to deal with as a teenager. She was fucking for free renting for a while as long as she could live somewhere else
>>114727322>That doesn't mean that her dream of a sololive is impossibleNah, it's complete impossible. Flying swine and a ski slope in Dante's Inferno are more likely to happen, then Kiara getting another sololive, and without Ina attached.
>>114727451I'd suggest Hot asmr, but Nimi is no longer allowed to do those types of stream anymore. So much potential lost
>>114727856One of the last circles of Hell in Dante's Inferno is literally a frozen lake to symbolize the lack of warmth and love in the place compared to all else that was hot.Which I guess means Wawa does get her sololaivu after all :)
>>114727322Sorry for being a dumbass but what is a sololive? A concert that's centered around an individual talent?>>114727730>Hololive also went from a fun quirky hobby where a teenager could make friends to global brandOh yeah there's that too. Hololive Gen 1 was a completely different agency from Gen 5's debut.>>114727811What happens with the vacuum left in EN then?
>>114727548What did Haato do? Must have been a severe meltdown
>>114727886She can stream on Rplay or Fansly surely.
>>114727953There's a VOD of a Kiara unarchived karaoke going around where she directly addresses the merge. She starts crying halfway and is sounding the most brokenhearted I've ever heard her. It was grim. Now imagine that times 5 with a bipolar freakout and Haato's crashout was around that. Supposedly she completely lost her shit and directly attacked other girls for "abandoning her" and said the company was awful and they lied to her etc. Even Holo bootlickers had to admit it painted a mega bleak picture about the workings of Holo.
>>114724518She has fibromyalgia or some kind of chronic health condition she hasn't found a diagnosis for. Relentless pain can drive anyone a little bit insane.
>>114725272But why? No matter how I look at it, if you don't count Snake Eyes popping off (and that didn't determine whether Bae gets a sololive or not because the planning of hers got started in 2025), Kiara is on par with her in just about every music metric. The reason why Kiara got a duolive is because she wanted her live event to be in America and Cover doesn't trust the NA audience to fill a venue for just one talent.>inb4 that retarded numbernigger comes in and starts spewing his Oricon numbers about album sales, ignoring that Kiara's album was sold through the Holoshop and GeekJack first and foremost, and for both albums she has surpassed expectations according to management
>>114727950What's crazy is that Holo at Gen 5's debut is entirely different than what today's Holo is. So just imagine that rapid change where everything goes from 'For fun with my friends' to 'A lot more friends to have fun with, but management tells me I can't talk to those EN girls over there' to 'Talents are giving opportunities based on metrics that I fall short on, I'm failing and no one is helping me even though I tried my best to help everyone'.The company has always been for profit, and it's made one hell of a splash. We're just in the era of hyper-corpo now and it blows.
