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>>114724122Matsuri needs paizuri correction.
Sorry pebbles, Kiara wonBetter luck next time though!
>>114724199It definitely broke containment during Selen Shock, it was a huge deal when Zaion/Sayu revealed Niji stealth suspensions are real and she literally had to lie about taking a vacation (was already "obvious" but having it outright confirmed is a different beast)
kiaras manager wrote that post why else would it talk about not being ''stealth suspended''
>/#/: Kiara is stealth suspended for talking out of line and is about to graduate but she also is lying about not being stealth suspended so they don't fire herAre you niggas pretending to be retarded or do you actually believe this??
>>11472243040:00>"yeah Myth anniversary yeah">"Funny thing is I didn’t know this at the time of serendipity">"I wish I had known">"But I did know about this during the (?) recording so I was like wait we won’t be allowed to say Hololive English myth anymore so when you do your introduction make you say hololive myth to be safe">"It’s not like I’m going to be shadow banned for saying Hololive English"But I’m supposed to adjust>"And get used to calling myself Hololive only or hololive myth which doesn’t really have the same ring in my opinion">"how do I describe the entity that was holoEN from now on">"like what do I say I just don’t get it">"how do you refer to the collective?">"you could say The Indonesians"Good one KiaraAnd that’s pretty much it. So in my opinion Kiara had an obvious mental breakdown over nothing and this is basically a nothingburger. She also did clarify she wasn’t leaving.
>>114724255no people here just take any excuse to shit on her
>>114724096managers hands wrote that message
>>114724122>jp
>>114724096nobody supported her I see.insane flop
Why does she want to look cute for the gym?You don't think...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6RpgsimpvMWhy are Fuwamoco still collabing with remnants of holoEN?Well, this collab is clearly supposed to show where their allegiances lie, with holos in the collab being pro merger
>>114724301yeah she's seeing me
I like how antis are now scrambling to find their next angle because the "she's lying" angle doesnt make sense see: >>114724255
>>114724264merger was not reason for her meltdown it was fibal straw but majority of it is her personal career outside of holo
>>114724264It was disappointing. She didn’t even cry that hard.
>>114724311that's a pretty small group for meccha chameleon, they're going to announce something
>>114724311>remnants of holoENwe deadnaming now?
>>114724301gymbro keeps winning
>>114724311not watching this shit
>>114724311Where's the talents who speak Japanese?Aren't we in the era of collabing with everyone?
>Siding with Mori and management I think /#/ owes someone an apology
>>114724390elira won
>>114724390you own me paizuri
>>114724348Yeah that makes sense because whatever is affecting Kiara isn’t affecting any other Holo. In that case, apart from pissy IDs who cares about them, holos are cool with the merger.
>>114724385The dogs still came from EN so they are second class to the JPs. Merger won't change that.
>HoloEN is dead!!!It only died in the same sense as Council died when Promise was announced.
i don't owe anyone shit
>>114724264Behold, The Indonesians
>>114724385Japs are naturally better at drawing. They would mog too hard so they weren't invited
>>114724418there are no pissy IDs anymore as they can use bikinis now whenever they want
>>114724423ahhhhhhh fuck it's going to be a zombie forever
>>114724348This. She got a taste of life without the Hololive brand and got knocked down her high horse back to early Hololive grinding days.
once again, /#/monkeys confirm that nobody hates on hololive vtubers harder than hololive fans. truly the next gen of nijisisters
>>114724450result of nukes, they should pay to america from every drawing they make-Q
>>114724264In hololive we have the Japanese, the Indonesians, the Koreans, the Germans, the Chinese, the Italian, the Brit, and the Canadians.
>>114724423that's not how merging works anon.>Council died when Promise was announcedwhen you rebrand you don't loose your job bcs of it
>>114724454You just dangle a shiny in front of them and they change their tune.
>>114724264The reason why management is SO adamant at not allowing the use of HoloID or HoloEN branding at all is because that would be against the TRUE purpose of the merger which is:>Backing out of the ID Market and readjusting HoloID members to cater to EN and JP market instead Having EN talents be able to put on HoloEN on their socials would be exclusionary to HoloID members since they can't.Management want HoloEN and HoloID members to be equal when a EN viewer chooses who to watch. This is why the rest of the HoloEN members feels that the change can't be helped despite not liking having to ditch the HoloEN label.Meanwhile HoloID members are generally all upset since they would be abandoning the ID market despite having worked for years to build it up with whatever they had.
>>114724454Iofi also said they can't stop her from releasing ass mousepad merch
>>114724439why are you punishing hard workers
>>114724474this is true, nobody watches vtubers without being a hololive fan
I'm a poor 3rd-worlder. Can I be accepted here?
>>114724491>Mori>Hard workerIt isn't 2024 anymore
>>114724515yeah you're gonna fit right in as a pebble
>>114724515only if you hate yourself
>>114724515
>>114724474You're confusing tower with the local anti den
>>114724485more skin shown => more money
>>114724515this is the right place for you
>>114724523kek
>>114724390>>114724404>>114724414You are irrelevant, Nijinigs
>>114724515people here will say no but the vast majority here are retards and therefore also brown thirdworlders
>>114724486holo ID is our "new" holoEN gen and new gen is just JPs again
>>114724515Of course. If your straight you’re a pebble, if your a faggot you’re a grem.
>>114724558your generic shit for normies died nigger
>>114724515yes this is a phasegod thread
>>114724508I wouldn't even still watch vtubers if corpos and twitchtubers were still the only options like they were a few years ago
>>114724558you own me assjob for that
>retards immediately look for another angle as soon as they can't ride Kiara.This is really hilarious.
>meltbrownyeah im thinking hololive won
Get dunked on Holotards
>>114724620pebbles are shameless
Kiara mentioned this moment during her member streamhttps://youtu.be/8OPK5cr5pKs?t=6282
The merger will be a failure, targeting two totally different audiences at the same time has never worked.
>>114724486If that is true, management is retarded for expecting EN/JP viewers to watch HoloID.It's been 6 years, people generally don't care about labels and if they are interested on HoloID they would have watch then from the beginning.If the Indonesian market is that fucked up then the best solution is just to cut them off instead.
Why can she post on her Youtube members but her manager announces the hiatus on Twitter? I don't get it.
>>114724622yeah they won the losing contest lmao
>>114724515That depends, did you ever buy any merch?If not then welcome, you are among friends here!
>>114724656Hint: they were both posted by management hope that helps
does anyone have anything actually new to contribute to the conversation or are we still reposting the takes from the last 2 days
>>114724311NOOOO, FWMC WAS SUPPOSED TO HATE GG WHY ARE THEY COLLABING
What did I say? The moment Kiara sobered up, most of the people "supporting" her will look for another angle and call her "coward" or "it's her manager!"You nijifaggots are all predictable. You're as subtle as a Marching Band.
>>114724638>july 23rdThis was the moment when she was told about the merger and the death of en
>>114724656She told to take a break and if she didn't she'd have been suspended anyway to make her take one. So she has semi autonomy still
>>114724706that's all pebbles tho
This merger is a nothing-burger
>>114724656because she didn't bother at first and let her manager take care of announcing her break, but then she realized that it made it look like she was being stealth suspended so she wrote one to her youtube members on her own
>>114724673The Youtube members definitely doesn't sound like management. In fact it sounds exactly like Kiara.
>>114724739>In fact it sounds exactly like Kiara.How can you tell that when it’s just text and not a video?
Watch the Nijinigger exhaust all his "Management did it" angles.
>>114724706bruh.. didn't you niggers attacked her for the past 2 days
Kiara should chill her cunt
>>114724732>He still hasn't realized there will never be another English speaking chuuba debutIt's not a nothingburguer. You're just behind the curve.
>>114724749Fucking retard kek
>>114724673Spend a second to think how retarded this would be and how much of a mess would happen if Kiara just said "Hey, I didn't post that member-only post. My manager was pretending to be me"
>>114724776they did but thats the /#/s special, they switch up at a moments notice if it looks like a talent has hurt their oshis reputation (they oshi the company)
>>114724755Management will definitely hire 23 talents in the span of a year after the merge. Remember nijiID? It's funny how every example of bad management has come from Niji and they're happily bragging kek
>>114724515youre basically a pebble already
>>114724681here's a new take >The reason why ollie and the other indogs can now do swimsuits despite showing skin are somewhat forbidden in Indonesia is because they no longer interested in Indonesia as a market.If I remember correctly during the Hololive direct, yagoo said that they are interested on expanding to North America and South East Asia, which is not necessarily Indonesia.
>>114724776they sure did
Roara really likes Kiara.
>>114724638Holy fucking menhera man, she really needs to detox from work or whateverI don't even doubt that she's basically gotten told by management that she'll never get anything ever again for being a runt.But having this weigh on her mind 24/7 and breaking out into random crying fits the second literally anything reminds her of it is batshit.
I don't believe Kiara can have an opinion of her own
now that holoEN is dead, how long until the clippers start dying off?
>>114724776NTA, but I'm at least consistent. I attacked and will keep attacking her for a while because she is a retarded menhera. Her member post doesn't change anything
>>114724749People have writing styles. That one sounds like how Kiara writes, scatterbrained and slightly ESL. At the very least they were written by different people.
>>114724794SEA is for all intents and purpose just Indonesia
>>114724523holy based
>>114724749I can sense the obnoxious narcissist women from the text, if you can emulate that here then I'll consider your skinwalking rrat
>>114724486There won't be ENs either anymore. We're in the same place ss IDs.
>>114724739>In fact it sounds exactly like Kiara.In current times when AI is plenty this means nothing. You could ask chat gpt to make your post sound like something Takanashi Kiara would write and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. With Cover being tech company they must have even better AI trained on their own talents leading to more accurate results.
>>114724749If it was staff they wouldn't say Twitter
>>114724626>look for where this was posted>r/holostarsIgnoring the question of why you were on reddit, why were you on r/holostars?
>>114724794What other big market are there in SEA? Singapore?
>>114724486>Management want HoloEN and HoloID members to be equal when a EN viewer chooses who to watchI believe this is true and it's also never going to work.The ones that fit in with the EN branch (Kaela, Zeta, Reine) were already honorary members. The ones that don't, for whatever reason, still won't, and EN viewers still won't watch them.It's a mix of problems; annoying as fuck onstream behavior (Ollie and Iofi, looking at you); too many grating male interactions; sometimes distracting accents.Force-including random IDs into every EN event would fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, they're all nice girls in various ways but jesus it would ruin the content. There's a reason the 2025 "let's include ID" arc fucking died, even Gigi can't make collab chemistry work with some IDs. It feels mean to say this but let's be realistic
Protip: the Nijifaggot is already pulling out all the stops.
hating Kiara is brown coded
>>114724800we hate Raora and Kiara here
>>114724852pebbles*
Only Kiara shed tears for Hololive EN, it's so sad.
>>114724749>How can you tell that when it’s just textIf you can't recognize the 7 regulars posting /here/ just from their writing style then it's over for you
>>114724390Mori is on the same side as Kiara, retard>Where are the EN members, where are the ID members? Well... From here on out, we're hololive. All of us. ALL OF US. So... So, something like "You're EN, you're ID"... I don't want to hear that! ...From here on out. And I don't expect go hear that! ...From here on out. We are one..... Right?
>>114723144
>>114724817Singapore alone is bigger than Indonesia as a foreign entertainment market. Especially so recently when most indonesian can't even afford going out to the movies because the economy and political landscape is in the shitter
>>114724810They are like cockroaches — will never die.
I don't understand this angle of blaming x fanbase for shitting on other fanbases when this is an anonymous board and everyone can just falseflag as any other fanbase...
protip the guy seething about niji is the same one who had a meltdown yesteday spamming ''report and ignore''
>>114724832Yeah man and maybe Yagoo personally strapped Kiara to a rocket and shot her into space like an episode of Looney Tunes. Anything's possible. But I will go with the more realistic scenario that she wrote it herself.
>>114724867The 7 regulars is me switching from one method of punctuation to the next after each post.
Basically , Kiara panic-rolled after an attack.
If a girl you knew prettied herself up and wanted to look cute for the gym, what would you think?
>>114724839Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, and Thai.Indonesia wins on numbers (of people) but their purchasing power is in the shitter
>>114724882welcome to /#/ make sure to stop by the gift shop on your way out
>>114724785>>114724880uh oh nijicuck meltbrown
>>114724885No, I'm the one comparing this merger to Dunkin.
>>114724839Vietnam
The people realizing what this means for ID but not realizing the exact same thing is happening to EN is funny.They are not investing in new non-JP talent
>>114724928ppfffttt
Stream id:entityhttps://youtu.be/Wp90CrP-s_8
vtubing is deadother than the top 5 jps who are basically celebrities in japan, all other vtubers will just wither away. they should really start looking for new stuff for themselves
Guys I thought of 2 good things from this merger. HoloEN can start saying loli again, and finally stream Hogwarts Legacy
>>114724909Anon, Flips, when dedicated, will bury themselves in credit debt to support somebody.
>>114724832show it then, rewrite your post or any post to something that Kiara would type
>>114724888With how much Yagoo likes to waste money your rocket scenario isn't as unrealistic as you think it is
>>114724906that she has stupid priorities or she's barely doing anything at the gym
>>114724906I would hope she find herself a big muscular bvll to have fun with and… maybe let me stand by?I’m a phasefan btw
>we're going to explan in SEA>by speaking in english someones lying
>>114724932We already know that, many have already accepted it.
Kiara outClara outIt'e over for communist idols in vtubing, chuds won
>>114724846The other ones would have to court either JP viewers or other SEA viewers.
>>114724940a 1000 ccv streamer makes 100k a year a why would they care if they aren't at the top a 4k ccv streamer is making doctor money
what did they win
WHEN HOLOLIVE ENGLISH DIESWHEN HOLOLIVE ENGLISH DIESWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYYYYYYYYYYYWHEN HOLOLIVE ENGLISH DIES
>>114724096Gymbro will make Kiara forget all her worries.
>>114724264>I HATE HOLOLIVEwhat the fuck did she mean by that?
>>114724829>>114724846Cover is going to shove HoloID to EN viewers whether you like it or not.It's basically StarsEN circa 2022-2023 but female and a lot more brown
>>114724794I still think the global push + killing the branches means they will try to push the JP 1st army globally.I would not even be surprised if they try to AI dub them to the target market.Watching all of the anti-AI vtubersphere melt down is gonna be hilarious.
man maybe i should go to the gym, apparently all the women go there to fuck
don't let the Kiara debacle distract you from the fact we're not getting any new non-Japanese English speaking hololive members again
>only 8 kiara threadsgrimmukulus grim a couple aren't even drama threads
>>114725013I don't care. I like the ID girls. That's not the problem. The problem is no EN5 ever. Literally and figuratively.
>>114725025i think if thats what they have planned they're way to far up their own ass, no one in america has ever heard of ''first army' the extent the average normie has here is miko saying nigger and going ''oh thats the girl from fortnite'' in passing
>multiple new angles as soon as Kiara is not viable anymore.What a pump and dump lol.
Saba is still dead and nothing will bring her back to life lol
Kiara is 100% hoping to meet a guy at the gym lol
Is everybody having a good time?
I WANT TO FUCK KIARA INTO SUBMISSION, BUT MY COCK IS WHITE. HOW CAN I CONTRIBUTE TO HER HEALING?
It's an EN stream this time, right?
weird schizo
>>114724947>rewrite your post or any post to something that Kiara would typeNowadays AI is so damn advanced already that this honestly doesn't really mean much anymore Like, you can make AI do basically anything you want, so just because someone can write something in a certain person's style doesn't really prove much.You could literally just go “hey ChatGPT, make this sound like this VTuber” and BOOM, there you go LOL. And then you probably wouldn't even be able to tell if it was actually written by them or not And Cover is literally a tech company, so surely they have some even more powerful AI stuff trained on their own talents, right?? Which means they could probably make the results even MORE accurate So yeah... I dunno man. AI is kinda scary
>>114725067why do you hate kiara
>>114724484And no Holo lost their job when Holo EN stopped existing, just like with Council.
>>114725058>"No new ENs" is a new anglebased retardHas been the discussion ever since the merger was announced
>>114725013If that happens I can tolerate it a lot better than the horrendous 2022-mid 2023 homo push. nothing can ever be that bad again.I'm not gonna oshi the ID girls though so I don't really get the point, they're all 4+ years old so everyone in the fanbase has decided if they like them or not, not like EN viewers haven't had tons of exposure to them. It's so autistic to think that removing the ID label is actually going to make people mistakenly think they are westerners or something.
>>114724863HoloEN's legacy is important to every HoloEN members which is why they are all at some level of sad. The difference is for Kiara HoloEN's legacy is ALL she has.Mori has her music, Ina is confident with her skill as an artist. Irys and Bae have JP audience and a sololive while Kronii is too apathic to care. Advent and Justice have their own gen prides.It's literally just Kiara who has everything to lose.
why hasnt mori shown her support for her genmate kiara? i thought they loved each other?
>>114725079lollmao
we wont forget how pebbles went mask off btw
>>114725096>It's so autistic to think that removing the ID label is actually going to make people mistakenly think they are westerners or something.Good thing they don't actually think that, then. They just shuttered EN and ID support and won't have any debuts for them anymore.
>>114725044not a single one from numbers LOL
man I really need Kiara to go indie and do mixed fleshie/vtubing content, I want to commision a set of her wearing the blacked brand underwear
>>114725079Meloco's last SEMI EN stream was in June
>>114725086I only hate the Black Company
>>114725130>pebblesjust like how you're totally a "KFP"
>>114725108Advent and Justice are the unity gens, Myth and Promise don't really care for one another.
For me and I think for most people, the merger just means that Cover gave up on any market other than the Japanese market.
Being a fan of hololive and vtubers in general does feel tiring as fuck.
>>114725079>>114725144you know what? good for her! she knows where the money and viewers are
it's been the most retarded 24hr I've seen on this thread
>>114725079Based Meloco, she should join Holo E- Oh wait! KEK
>>114725088You guys know they could just debut an EN gen months later after the JP one right? Just like with Advent/Regloss and Justice/Flowglow right? You know Cover already marked NA as a key region right?
Fauna...CC...https://litter.catbox.moe/eho728jq38gryvmt.mp4
>>114725160Then stop and do something else.
>>114724942>HoloEN can start saying loli againlol>and finally stream Hogwarts Legacylmao even
>>114725155Not exactly. They will try to appeal to Americans with the current English speaking holos and try to break in with heavy Marine, Korone, Miko and Pekora support. (We'll get more passion Engrish in live concerts than ever before)What they have given up on is hiring more holos that don't primarily speak Japanese.
It's too early to say they've given up on the western market. If, at this time next year, there has been no EN-speaking gen and no concert full of former ENs, or they have a USA concert but it's just full of random JPs (this would be stupid as fuck btw, I know a ton of western holo fans and most are EN fans), then yes it'll be a lot clearer that EN was killed rather than reorganized. Save the victory laps/doomposting until then though
>>114725178Fauna was never close to them muchShe's mostly talking about CC I guess
>>114725160TRVKE
>>114725176I don't know where'd you find native level Japanese speakers who can also speak business level Enlgish (like the audition page requires) who are also more interested pandering to NA than JP
>>114725176Shhhh... remember, talents are also given NDA's about upcoming ones. Most of them are either acting coy or playing with suspense.
Please don't notice that the foreigners in hololive that pander to JP get more opportunities than the rest. Please don't notice it or mention it. Thank you for understanding.
>>114725108Takamori was literally management enforced ship which Kiara was happy to force on Mori because it served her interest at the moment. Now that the shoe is on the other foot she is against all and any management influence in talent dynamics.It just shows how much of a two faced shrew she is
>>114725046Overseas revenue is still 30% according to Cover's latest annual report, it's literally only ID that is lacking behind.A figurative EN5 is still coming along with EN concerts in the states. You can be sure of this because if not Mori would have crashed out as hard as Kiara or ID girls.Kiara doesn't care about anything but herself, that's why she crashed out from having to let go what is important to her even if it means helping out ID members.
>>114725176They won't. This still hasn't registered for you. You're still treating this as if it's the three branches but all under one name. It isn't.
nobody said they weren't debuting any english speaking gen, where are you getting that from?
I still support Hololive and I know most former Hololive English fans do as well.
>>114725178CC has mentioned talking with Nina before, she just doesn't care about the Shondo
>>114725079>3kJesus she beats out some HoloEN whores
>>114725256based retarded manchild
>>114725246the audition requirements are so absurd that no one interested in that role would be able to fullfil the requirement (being native JP level yet still from the west)
>>114725169Meloco's earnings are dreadful and the views are on par with Kaela
>>114725246They're nijiniggers, they're obviously projecting.
anyone else feeling the burnout from hololive? it's starting to get boring to be honest. i'm planning on taking a break for a week and see what happens
>>114725084that sounds too coherent for Kiara to write, ask the AI to make it less coherent and more self indulgent anon
>>114725079Why did they debut this woman in EN
>>114725270Like who
>>114725240>You can be sure of this because if not Mori would have crashed out as hard as Kiara or ID girls.Mori literally said "I'd like to think we will get a new EN one day".And that was while she was saying shit like this >>114724868She"s on a sort of "wait and see and I'll wait before actually bitching" pattern but she's seeing the exact same writing on the wall Kiara is.
>>114725220>>114725263Can you blame her? I would drop Shondo too after all her drama and inflammatory statements she drops on the regular. Like imagine the drama you get when you collab with "Hitler is my friend" girl.
>Requirements are absurd.Nothing is absurd to the willing
>>114724638Why is she going so much more mental over this than anyone else
>>114725178How are girls who join a big corpo supposed to still talk to their old friends as much as they used to? Can't exactly collab and hang out in VC for hours every day when you have new work relationships and a new, very busy, career.Plus half of them are probably taking the excuse to ditch Shondo who is historically a volatile and unreliable friend to have. I mean fuck, if you know that her original response to the Fauna reveal was to crash out and she has all these hysterics about betrayal, you'd try to talk her down softly too. Not like you can actually tell her "hey, we're never talking again" without her going nuts and trying to damage your career or something
>>114725256lol
>>114725223>Like the audition page requiredMeanwhile, the audition page:>*If you meet at least one of the following criteria, it will be a big plus. You can still apply even if you do not meet any.
>>114725178CC and Nina hung out IRL last year and do still talk. She just doesn't really keep in touch with Shondo and the others much anymore I assume.
>>114725287there's no requirement to have native JP level, what are you talking about? It's only one of the "pluses" that give more points
its crazy how no ones going to read this thread and nothing will change
>>114725314she beat ERB karaoke rerun ! grim lol.
>>114725327Her own words>>114722889>>114723707
>>114725246Why would they say it explicitly? They didn't need to say it for ID either.
>>114725096it's a mercy thing for ID members since Cover basically ruined their ID market efforts by backing out of it. Won't be effective but that's the least they could do for IDs
>>114725178Shondo is the problem, she's just a drag to be around
>>114725305Maybe she applied thrice for JP and failed? Ever thought of that you racist pig???
>>114725178I feel so bad for Shondo, imagine losing friends because they got too big and forgot everyone who was with them when they were nobodies
>>114724489So merger was good?!?!
there's no point discussing the audition proccess. By eliminating EN they got rid of every potential hire since they killed their interest.
soon <3
Alright I didn’t want to say anything about this but seriously, what’s going on with grems, at this point it’s an undeniably becoming a patternWhy are they like this?
>>114725376they look like cats
>the normies are turning on the grems
>>114725178I don't get how she got to be friends will all those girls before they joined corpos. What's her secret??? Is she really that lucky??
>>114725376she literally couldn't even get in niji JP's vta that's how bad she is kek
>>114725395god i miss soya
>>114725314Raora, Bae, ERB, Shiori
>>114725364It's a dick move of her to say this, but girls like Mori and Ina are just putting on a brave face, so... Not exactly wrong.
>>114725370so why are you talking as if they explicitly said that there won't be another english speaking gen?
>>114725398The sign is for Pero
>>114725404
>>114725391at most you're getting meloco clones who will pivot once management stops caring
>>114725155They'll debut another EN holo when the US has a president that doesn't invent tarriffs at a whim
>>114725395Why is this model so much better than all of hololive’s?
>>114725174I'm sure that's her dream, having “EN” on her channel must really disgust her.
>>114725424kek
>>114725169On average she makes less money per stream than Shiori during fucking collabs.
>>114725421I'm not. It's what's happening, not what they said. You failed to wade through the corpo mumbo jumbo.
>>"the thing is like I don’t think what they want to accomplish needed a merger at all and in many ways is counterproductive"So even KIARA herself doesn't think management wants to do something malicious but that merger is a wrong way to achieve that... Which might be true but it basically becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when instead of trying to work with it you are melting down and create atmosphere which make people leave you and your friends...
>>114725404>>114725397Bro you're gonna try to take a shitpost from TWITTER?
>>114725404>>114725424how did grems get this reputation
>Nijiniggers still projecting.
>>114725395she would be streaming right now
>>114725397>>114725404another failed raid, kek. Coordinate better you discord troons
>>114725404What even is it about Gigi that attracts those people, because she said she's asexual and is the biggest sexpest in EN. Wow what a member to oshi
>>114725433The face is cute but the body isn't. Soya is extremely tall and flat which looks weird.
>>114725404Pattern recognition works and somehow it's always a grem pfp or oshimark.
>>114725404>realn_c>normieThat guy is so terminally /here/ that calling him a normie is like calling Ernoul a normie.
>>114725223>(like the audition page requires)why are you still trying this retarded angle when you were PROVEN wrong? kys
>>114725442>>114725289but would she have made more money if she stuck with being exclusively EN?
>>114725443>it's what's happeningsource?
Doesn't the new gen debut this month, what are the predictions if any. Is it gonna be a mixed EN/JP/ID gen, JP only
>>114725455They always have the lgbt flags around their profile pic and 15 pronouns in their bios
>>114725404>>114725424Kek
Bettel is about to talk about Holostars income right now actually
Free my girl Kiara#WhereIsKiara
Someone actually post the Audition requirements to shut the idiot down
>>114725419You're in a numbers thread
>>114725492>money talkyeah thats what people want to hear
>>114725486Considering the announcement has been entirely in Japanese and even when the official English channel posted it they didn't bother to put subtitles or anything I'll give you one guess.
>>114725486my prediction: predominantly JP, maybe one who speaks EN as a second language (Lui tier)
>>114725439You can tell that guy doesn't actually follow any holos but I won't say why.
>>114725484>Nanananana I'm not listening I'm not listeningChildish cope.>>114725486It's JP only like every new unit from now on.
>>114725486they will never do a mixed gen because JP fans would riot about EOP's
>>114725486>they haven't even typed a single english wordyeah probably 2 EN member
>>114725465Should never acknowledge the alphabet users.
>>114725492Also this is probably his last time stream for a long timeSaid after this stream he's gonna "fuck off and die"
>>114725486JP-only. If they had any English speaking talents, they would have put at least some English text in the gen's twitter bio to get English fans interested.
>>114725246It's been three years since we've had a new EN gen, what more proof do you need?
>>114725486It’s a JP gen of kemonomimi lolis
>>114725534yeah because they need your faggot ass around
>>114725522not listening to what? what's your source can you give one or not?
>>114725530that's 90% of holo girls tho
The mixed gen cope is funny. Someone a few days ago was saying every gen from now on will be 2 JP, 2 EN and 1 ID lol
why arent we talking about nijis report?what happened?
>>114725486>Is it gonna be a mixed EN/JP/ID gen, JP onlyclearly it's JP only>what are the predictions if anyjudging by their name it's something like a gamer girl unitand looks like not all of them will be humans after all
>>114725543It's been 2 years actually.
>>114725531So he is retreating to the fleshslop and just waiting out the concert to granulate or continue this farce and farm bettel sisters for memberships for as long as he can
>>114725515that account is a containment breaker that usually posts cuck porn here anon
>>114725558If they wanted more HoloENs, they wouldn't have removed the branch to debut them under. Think for a minute.
>>114725486It's going to be JP and they'll announce a non-JP gen during the November hololive Next.
Doesn't the new gen literally have a japanese name? Why are people thinking it will be anything else than japanese gen?
>>114725549kemonomimi oppai lolis
reminder that phase stood with hololive our alliance is unbreakable
>>114725569THIS IS MY LAST COPE
>>114725486It's all japslop, don't care for any new gens anymore. It's gonna be all japslop from here on out, and they'll get underwhelming numbers too so they won't even bring any good discussion either.
>>114725576NijiEN revenue increased compared to the last 3 quarters, so can't shitpost about that
>>114725530I think its more like she plays into her pairing with CC more than any other EN girl has ever done with their pairing, so shipping fags latch on to her as their holy grail
>>114725595dyrbi
>>114725563No other girl besides GG has openly said anything about their sexuality and everything else is all conjecture from people.
Anyone making betting polls on which Aosobi girl graduates first? Bonus points if it happens in under a year.
>>114725492https://x.com/crimzonruze/status/2097791770159403120the boys are starting an actual rebellion in sync right now
>>114725594they didn't remove EN, they merged it. There's a difference.
Pretty funny watching Westernfags cope and blame the girls for moving to Japan instead of admitting that their own market just doesn’t offer the same opportunities or future.When the market keeps flocking to some lazy girl who hasn’t made any content in years just because she exists, you know it’s not a good environment.
>>114725625>already seething about the new gens mogging his shittersLol
>>114725584time flies when you're having fun
>>114725569I will bookmark this for the grudge post because I know it will be 2 jp/en 1 id. That would be retarded for them to announce the merger, then a new gen, but then have the gen be JP only. All the girls will speak Japanese yes, but they will be separated by the 3 main ex branches
>>114725629They merged the HoloEN girls into hololive. They removed HoloEN. There's no EN brand to debut new EN talent.
>>114725614why would that matter?it fell YoY
>>114725628Are they going to man up and go indie?
>>114725486I thought Cover made it clear that there isn't JP, ID or EN gen anymore. It's new Hololive gen from here on out and that is that
>>114725607Based.Us Phasebros and Holosisters are siblings.
>>114725584You're right, Justice made its debut in 2024
>>114725619i habeeb
>>114725628lmao so they were treated as less than the JP Homos right from the very start and it's more like the JP Homos were taken down to the EN Homo level
>>114725580So Cover is finally continuing Gamers, took them long enough lmao. No wonder Korone removed Hololive from her twitter/youtube accounts
>>114725576>they wrote off another 400M yen in unsold merchs>despite that inventories increased by 300M yen QoQ>their inventory is now larger than the time where they had to announce a 1.5B write off and tanked the stock price by half>NijiEN livestreaming revenue historical low (despite higher watchhours which indicates botting)Basically the same as last quarter aside from them announcing a 7B yen buyback which is their largest yet and will probably increase their price tonight
>>114725628technically he's right
>>114725636they don't move to Japan to chase after some market, they move to Japan because they want to have more opportunities
>>114725646Oh my fucking god. LITERALLY EVERYTHING ABOIT THIS GEN HAS BEEN PUBLISHED EXCLUSIVELY IN JAPANESE, YOU FUCKING RETARD.IT'S NOT RETARDED TO ANNOUNCE THE MERGER AND THEN ACT BY IT. THEY GOT RID OF THE EN AND ID BRANCHES. THIS IS WHAT THEY MEANT.
>the talent pool of applicants for ID/EN have been so bad that Cover decided to merge the branches so every new gen will only be JP from now on
>>114725614>still coping9 straight quarters of YoY recline KWAB
Dream scenario is her joining the indie shitters with Nimi and Mint Then holo can be free at last
>>114725486Their predebut tweets are entirely Japanese, the announcement video is only in Japanese, in fact it's the first gen ever with a strictly Japanese name, and EN just got fed to a wood chipper. I'd say it's more likely Rushia, Mel, and Hitomi Chris are members than any English speakers.
>>114725628Sisters were right to be apprehensive about their concert being announced so far in advanced. Not all of them are making it to then if it even happens at this point
>>114725619It's been the pattern for debuts since 2020.One gen of one, and 1-4 months before a gen of the other.>2020Gen 5 and then Myth a month later>2021Council and then HoloX 3 months later>2023Advent and then ReGLOSS 2 months later>2024Justice and then FlowGlow 4 months later
>>114725492Bettel confirming that they do not in fact get a base salary any moreAnd adding that's why he's focusing more on his 2nd job at "Spirit Halloween"
>>114725647they would debut as a Hololive gen that speaks mainly english
>>114725629do you understand what company branch merging means?
Remember when they debuted Iris as solo singer instead on EN gen 2? And then instead of just releasing Council outright they did whole song and dance with lore and other bullshit? What I'm getting at is that Cover is retarded and I'm expecting this gen to be very "experimental"
>>114725698This is getting bookmarked too. I have a cover insider, I called the merger back in July when serendpity numbers were low and all the girls were doomposting
>>114725636There is no "English speaker in Japan" market
>>114725708Uh uh. I'm sure it's the pool and has nothing to do with cover being a public company that only wants the best ROI with Jap talent
>>114725178she should try and be more like her mother
It must be sad for the new members that the announcement of a new unit was completely overshadowed by the merger and the chaos caused by Kiara.
>>114725455Boat goes binted broke containment in early 2025, seriously all the shitty Grems with LGBT+ or 15-2X showed up in 2025. You can always spot them asking Gigi to rerun the 2024 birthday plushie, which she basically confirmed she will never do.
>>114725678This inventory issue explains why the “dead” members (lazulight and Denauth) haven't received—and likely won't receive—any anniversary merch in the future.
Nost non-JP holos want to appeal to the JPs either because they're brown or because it's their only chance to make a career, Kiara got the ick after being raped by a nips and feels no need to appeal to them even if she speaks Japanese
>>114725708source?
I never cared much for EN, I was only ever there for Hololive.
>>114725621doesn't stop you from projecting your political views on them tho lmao
>>114725723So then when there's no new English speaking Holo debuting within the next year, will you finally get what's happening or will you just switch copes?
>>114725404>jailbirdpot calling the kettle a nigger
If new gen is JP I will learn Japanese
>>114725716sorry blud, she already said she's streaming next week and that she's not graduating over the merge
If it were mixed Yagoo would have said so.
>>114725762No waves get anniversary merch anymore, instead they're releasing random themed merch comprised of the best merch sellers (the boys)
>>114725754They're not going to be affected at all
>>114725742yeah omega was responsible for this
>>114725760Why does this Nijisis think it's the same for the girls?
>>114725790We'll see. 2027 fleshie indie.
>>114725732it does not mean that the EN talents are gone
>>114725795I already know that, but I guess the new members would have liked it if people had talked about it.
>>114725792It's worse than I thought, the whole branch is dead.
>LOOK LOOK OUR BOYS DON'T GET A SALARYokay, that's good I guess
>>114725790She has been having constant melts and getting frustrated and is now just openly bitching about her numerous Disagreements With Management. It's really only a matter of time.
>>114725754outside of this board, hell this thread nobody really cared about that. Even Tower was unaffected by the Kiara "drama"
>>114725820No, it just means new EN talent won't be hired. You still don't get it.
>>114725798How nice it must be to be a holodrone.There is always a scapegoat you can point at, but never at Cover. Cover is always innocent and someone else is at fault
>>114725760The homos exist in the gutter and their situation is entirely different from the girls. I don't know why these retards view the homos as authorities on anything hololive related
I got baited into opening the Bettel stream and it's boring as hell, he's just reading superchats even though he started like 30 mins agoWho could even watch this without nodding off, it's like having a sleepy detached conversation with your least interesting acquaintance.
>>114725742not solo but part of vsinger group (just like AZKi) and project "Hope" branchthat branch got terminated.
>>114725843Tower roughly doubled its posts per day and it took over reddit as well. So basically you're full of it.
>>114725708No, there's good talent for everyone but Cover doesn't hire them. Cover fucks Cover, no one hurts them more than themselves. >there's no good le talent pool!>they hired RB on purpose btw There ARE good people out there, it's just that Cover went out of their way to hire underwhelming fucktards and then they go HUUURR DURRR WHY DID THIS TALENT UNDERPERFORM OH GOLLY GEEZ OH I WONDER WHY DUURRRR IM A CUNTJAP AT AN OFFICE DUUUURRRR FAX MACHINES ARE MY PASSION. I really don't care if you people are still pretending holos spawn out of nowhere in 2026, the indie scene DOES have good people to pick form but Cover's management sucks fucking cock and somehow you redirect their incompetence and default to saying that no one on the entire planet that is on the internet is good in any way which is the most outlandish, childlike claim to make with a straight face.Yes /#/, out of billions of people on Earth, there isn't a single one that is worthy of being in hololive. Yes, that's what happened and that's how it works in real life and the real world because the real world functions like in your dumb posts on 4chan, totally. Dumb nigger.
>>114725827>merger isn't necessary to [back out of the ID market] and will be counterproductive instead Kiara was right after all....she should be part of the management
>>114725749But they have opportunities to do promotional work for Japanese brands, and those opportunities become much more available when they actually live in Japan. Unlike in the West, being a VTuber in Japan can be more of a semi-professional career.Westerners failed to build a community that takes them seriously. They keep griefing and gifting to the griefer, then wonder why talents start moving away from them.
Kronii is already done fucking GG
>>114725867yeah bibot is boring as fuck while reading superchats too
>>114725843Sure, that's why Cover had to send Fubuki to calm things down.
>>114725864The salary thing is a half-remembered anecdote from the Coco days where they had a basic income guarantee if they didn't make enough in superchats.Every single EN makes plenty of money and has since day 1 so it was never relevant in the entire history of the branch
>>114725894Why do they instantly form a polycule whenever theyre in Japan together?
>>114725873because our schizos got an opening and same fagged until he got shot
>>114725834Yep really good
>>114725847nobody said that, you keep saying that but nobody from Cover said it. You just decided it's a reality in your head and behave as if you held the absolute truth
>>114716954I'll kneel if you do it
>>114725894nobody cares
>>114725834serf moment
>>114725894kek, I bet she laughed at Kronii
>>114725913Kronii attracts greens and brunettes for some reason
>>114725867>he's just reading superchats even though he started like 30 mins agoKek he's just farming SC?
>>114725914One schizo samefagged for 15k posts?
>>114725874this is a 2view fan that hates Justice btw
>HoloEN shut down before NijiENThis is your walled garden? Lol
>>114725943gymbro is brunette?
>>114725867HE'S the super funny JUST LIKE JERMA guy that the homosisters hype up all the time btw. This is the GOOD one according to them lmao.
>>114725965No, I am green
>>114725890>But they have opportunities to do promotional work for Japanese brandsSo? Who the fuck cares about that? Do you think vtubers want to be advertising mascots?
>>114725430Tariffs were a 10-20% increase in pricing bringing it to parity with europeThe actual issue is global recession because of j*ws
>>114725964Yeah, the two walls just unified into one large enclosure.
>>114725901>>114725873the merger drama and Kiara drama are two separate but ultimately related events, anon was referring to the Kiara one
>>114725989In Japan? yes
>>114725992The Great Wall of Hololive
I really wanted Yuy to join EN :(
>>114725969He's not. He doesn't respect his homo audience at all and it's quite crazy to see. I actually end up feeling a bit bad for his audience
>>114725994Oh okay then
>>114726018We're talking about Western vtubersIt's not like they'd be slapped on Japanese brands if they moved to Japan anyway because they're English speaking vtubers who Japanese people don't even care aboutDumb fucking weeaboos
>>114725994If you say so, but that's not what the original post was talking about >>114725754 He's clearly claiming the merger drama was all Kiara's fault.
>>114725890>Unlike in the West, being a VTuber in Japan can be more of a semi-professional careerWesterners invented being a streamer as a career retard
>>114725874It'll be nip cope, they say crazy cope shit sometimes, I remember a nip woman on twitter saying that only Japan has any significant number of people who can sing well, lol. Like Mumei was a basic bitch tumblr girl and I'm pretty sure she mogged most JP holos in overall skills.
>That Trooze tweet about not having benefitsThe Homos are telling us their miseries as of that won't make us harder. In fact the only reason people straight up didn't rebel about the merger was because the Homos got shot dead and abandoned
>>114725989“Oh, they just need to be cute and stream.”See, this is exactly why nobody takes your market seriously. Being a VTuber is an avatar. They can be anything, a streamer, promoter, singer, advertiser, whatever. But your limited view of what a VTuber can be just keeps reinforcing the same limited market.
>>114726054I am sure all those western celebrities that did japanese commercials hated it
>>114726081>They can be anything, a streamer, promoter, singer, advertiser, whatever.Yes but they aren't99% of vtubers are streamersThat's why all of this exists, stop being a pretentious retard
ctrl+F any of the previous threads for "kiara"
Anya......
>>114725991you say that and say Cover plan a huge project that would take 10 months but 7 months in orange man decides he wants to strongarm a foreign policy deal and arbitrarily raise tariffs to 40% before reverting it back in 6 months.
>>114726093Yes let's compare Nerissa Ravencroft of Hololive EN to Tommy Lee Jones and Keanu Reeves
I hope JPs discriminate against EN/ID even more and force them to graduate.
>>114726108queen of /vt/
>>114726108You've cracked the code anon. People talk about things that are currently happening.
>>114725178maybe she should try not being a nasty bitch that backstabs her friends
>>114726102>99% of vtubers are streamersThat's why Hololive won, they are the 1%
>>114726143That was Tanya not Shondo
>>114725141we hate kiara here
>>114726146Hololive vutbers are streamers. That's why they won. Advertising mascot vtubers like Kizuna Ai went the way of the dinosaur
>>114726124That's the goal
>>114726156What do you think Raden does?
>>114726161That goal will never be reached even for native Japanese vtubers
>>114726032A harsh truth people here have a hard time understanding, or rather they pretend to not understand it to act obtuse and retarded on purpose, is that a LOT of current day indies that make decent money by doing their own thing never bothered to audition for hololive or ANY other corpo at all. Something about that fact kinda mindbreaks people here even though it's been a thing since like early 2023. By default, current day indies are not expected to ever send auditions anywhere.
>>114726167Why are you arguing with exceptionsMaybe she has her 15 minutes of fame doing something that's not streaming but the streamers will have way more longevity and bring in way more money in the end
1M DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>114726167have a bush?
>>114726102VTubing didn't even start with streaming. Streaming is just the most accessible way to get started. It's like saying a singer isn't a singer anymore just because they stopped performing in bars, even though that's where most singers start out. Just because streaming is what most VTubers do doesn't mean streaming is what defines a VTuber.
>>114726181She has been an ambassador for art for two years
I genuinely believe we need more kiara hate in this thread.anyone with me?
>>114726202>VTubing didn't even start with streamingSo? It's where it ended
>>114726188But nobody cares about Kiara btw
>>114725965no im orange
>>114726173I guess for girls like yuy that's true but there are so many indies doing concerts and original songs when they have no musical or dancing abilities at all, which points to the idea that they're training for hololive for why else would they waste so much time and money (indies get ripped off so fucking bad by creatives) if it's just for 'fun'. I'm talking 2views and low 3views. They MUST have been training for hololive auditions.
What if kiara graduates and joins the indie avengers?
>>114726149and she still laughed at it
>>114726207lmao what the fuck is an "ambassador for art" and how much money does it bring itnot much I can tell you that
>>114726219yeah I laughed too, it was funny, what's the issue
>>114726109Damn, Cover just took away the only joke Anya had. Now she has nothing.
>>114725933who asked
>>114726226...man get the fuck out of this thread how can you be so confidently wrong
>>114726212The more you argue, the more you reinforce my point about how limited the view of VTubing is in the Western scene.
>>114726250Can you prove me wrong? There's no money in that at all
Chat is he right?
>>114726255Vtubers are streamers in Japan too bro they're just way more popular so they can slap them on a Wendys meal
>>114725584Yep, and that's why this faked me out and I'm still a little miffed about it.
>>114726188Kiara is such a fucking embarrassment to the company. No wonder Pekora fucking hates her (Kiara's oshi hates her lmao). No wonder Fubuki hates her. No wonder JP ignores her. No wonder EN are not sending "feel better" messages. No wonder she is rejected a sololive and given a duo instead.
>>114726262No, because most of them are in JP to do recordings
>>114726079unironically yeah, the only reason im neutral/somewhat optimistic is because they're not part of the merge and there is no "holopro" anymore for beggars to cope with
>>114725108She's bravely supporting Kiara by collabing with indies rumao
>>114726262no he's a cuckposter he's never right
>>114726262yes
>>114726262Based Bob
>>114726262Astronomically Based and True!
>>114726079>That Trooze tweet about not having benefitshuh? homo account or rm?
>>114726272Japan loves slapping anime shit on everything. Every konbini is filled with shelves full of sponsored product with anime characters on them. It doesn't even have to be popular shit, it's just ubiquitous.
>>114726262Yea, but sadly it's completely normal for half of EN to be out of commission at any given time.
>>114726262You know it's very obvious to see that you're the one posting in this thread by simply looking at the recent reposts right?
>>114726311Main homo account. They are lashing out realizing holo "pro" is dead and they are getting shown the door but not forcibly kicked out yet
>>114726240well they say she speaks nip like a demon with no soul anyway lol
>>114726305such tempting offer that everyone would rather try hold this ship instead of jumping right away like the ones who left, who are visibly miserable or doing just the same as they were in holo if not worse
>>114725628>people wary and uneasy over merger>homos fanning the flamesJust fucking fire them
I wonder if the brainlet twitter mob of concerned fans will blow up on Kiara for making a clarifying post to her members like they did to Mori or if she's exempt because she cries
>>114726262The statements are factual but the analysis isn't, there's no reason to assume this has anything to with being a JP resident or that there's going to be a graduation wave.
>>114726349nta but idgi, are those known antis or something?
>>114726349Based Nanahira enjoyer.
I just can’t wrap my head around 10 more JP girls in the next 2 years. The top 5 JP Holos hold 90% of the viewership while the other 50 fight for scraps. What’s the financial appeal of diluting viewership even more? Unless you are actively trying to create the next Pekora what’s the point?
>>114726262>kronii gone>cc/gigi semi goneig this nigga doenst follow them on twitter
>>114726354I hope Homos will take his advice seriously and go indie
>>114726262The ones who don't give a fuck about their career progression are the ones who don't work. What a surprise!
WHEN KIARA DIESWHEN KIARA DIESWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYYYYYYYYYYYWHEN KIARA DIES
>Only EN members who live in Japan btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6RpgsimpvM
>>114725108One of the benefits (a benefit for Cover, not the girls) is that since EVERYONE IS LE HOLOLIVE NOW :) it encourages an every man for himself mentality so now even if they do care about their friends, they will be forced to focus on themselves as individuals since the brand is now their individuality, but no to their benefit. They have to stand on their own since there is no more holoEN/ID to act as the pillar that props them up, "hololive" will always imply "Japanese girls" first and foremost and Cover knows it. Now they will be busy focusing on their own branding so as to not lose fans and desperately try to get new ones, making them too busy to ever properly complain about Cover and their extremely obvious intentions with the merge. It's hard to try and help others when you're busy trying to survive yourself, it's a classic corporate move. Cover are actually kind of ruthless in that sense, using yagoo as the kind ojisan that smiles at you while announcing all of this horrible shit that is hidden in layers upon layers of Japanese baby-speak corpobabble.
>>114725439>shiori is literally going to have off-collab today>cc just stream yesterday >gg and kronii are active on twitter>erb has always been goneWhat did he mean by this?
>>114726408GG doesn't live in Japan
>>114726408The entirety of EN sans ERB and Kiara are in Japan right now recording something
>>114726350They're not lashing out, they're basically saying "we've been saying this all along, are you not paying attention?"
>>114726408Gigi lives in Japan? stupid nigger lol
>>114726408You'll continue crying and that's what's funny to me
>>114726395unfortunately the only one who might do that is clown homoall the other ones complain but none of them have the balls. and cover lets them ghost their managers for 3 months without any consequences so...
>>114726389ACCELERATE
>>114726433>all the other ones complain but none of them have the balls.True u_u
>>114726410If you think group branding comes from some corporate-mandated name, then you deserve to fail as a group.
>>114726422>>114726429>>114726431maybe im retarded but i think that statement being bullshit was his point guys
* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *Here it goes>28,798: Kanae (Nijisanji)>27,849: Subaru (Hololive)>24,691: Pekora (Hololive)>24,446: Fubuki (Hololive)>22,177: Suisei (Hololive)>21,149: Pekora (Hololive)>20,190: Miko (Hololive)>20,049: Aki (Hololive)>18,177: Kanade (Hololive)>16,401: Toko (Nijisanji)>15,392: Fubuki (Hololive)>15,390: Mio (Hololive)>14,392: Lauren (Nijisanji)>13,383: Noel (Hololive)>12,953: Okayu (Hololive)>12,695: Okayu (Hololive)>11,946: Chiroru (Indie)>10,782: Reine (Hololive)>10,369: Nose (VSPO)>10,231: Suzuna (Nijisanji)>10,078: Lize (Nijisanji)Gold for Kanae with SurgeTown, with Subaru getting silver with 7DTD and Pekora, bronze
2025 and 2026 have been really fucking bad years for hololive. Well deserved too.
>Btw I am not stealth suspended I swear!!Cover is not a black company today.
>>114726426Are they wanting to hop on the Kiara momentum to get antis and shitposters to care about them to attack cover and the other girls too then? Because they are retarded to think they are worth the ppm
>>114726408CC is now in Japan supposedly, why can't she join them? No timezone excuse!
HoloID fans are turning coat because they heard Ollie and Zeta talking about the things they can do now that they have managers instead of corpses
>jailbirds and grems fighting on twitterkek
>>114726509The paperwork
>>114726489Kiara the fucking retarded wide loud mouth just revealed hololive uses black company stealth silencing tactics.
>>114726465forgetting someone?
>>114726539not fair to compare girls and gay boys to a man
>>114726262We don't know if he's right. Had he said this in late 2024 and name dropped Gura Mumei Fauna everyone would have called him retarded, but he would have ended being right.
>>114726539No one cares about the botnut
Does anyone honestly believe EN would have gotten merged if Advent and Justice had actually done their jobs and gotten to a mill subs on all their channels? There’s a reason the new girls are Japanese. Because Regloss And FlowGlow outperformed Advent and Justice by a huge margin. You want them to hire more ENs stuck at 500k subs after 2 years? Kek.
>>114726410you know the gen identity is still there right? Myth/Promise/Advent/Justice that didn't go away just the "EN" part
Advent karaoke 20k? 25k maybe?
cover is here!
>>114726572>Regloss And FlowGlow outperformed Advent and Justicereal?
>>114726566this but bibot
>>114726527where?
>>114726524Unlimited bikinis and they can stop pretending to care about mudslimes. Also got their 3rd party donation thing up again was all apparently figured out in less than 48 hours with actual staff. Merger looking pretty good desu.
uh oh
Poor IDs, they already know their brand is dead forever.
>>114726590kys Donnie
>>114726608melty
>>114726408unless cover takes my nigga popo out like he’s a fucking romanov, gigi isn’t moving to nipland
>>11472658310-15k and that's only with merger drama buff
grems really are the worst fucking fanbaseJustice unironically ruined hololive
>>114726599funny how vtuber drama grifts are left in the shadow of /pol/tubers like Powdur
>>114726583Mori announcement karaoke only had 18k on a weekend. I will be surprise if advent gets more than 15k
>>114726657Mori is an unpopular bitch
Everybody shut up. Nimi is streaming.
>>114724631Holy mindbroken kek
>>114726646it's nousagi and it's not even close
>>114726680Her singing is popular.
>>114726587just Kiara
Anyone else fucking giddy right now. I love it when holofans are fighting like retards.
>>114726718lol
>>114724729Retard
>>114726730feels like an all out war
>>114726599based. we love depressed nousaCHAD /here/
>>114724862selenGrem PLEASE.
>>114726730
yeah Council didn't do as well as expected
>>114726718Was popular. Now she needs people like Liz to carry her song or she has to pay all of JP to do shorts about her songs.
>>114726040THIRD time homofans have been pumped and dumped btw
>>114726778Are you really going to exaggerate ERB's popularity to anti Mori? Is that truly the play here?
Sexy
>>114726804cuckbeat please
>>114726283recording graduations
>>114726572Yagoo implicitly implied subs is king. So they probably thinks Justice is flopping by that logic.
>holo vs niji returning due to mergerhappy days are here again!
Still waiting for Asmon's take on this situation before taking side
WHEN NIMI NIGHTMARE DIESWHEN NIMI NIGHTMARE DIESWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYYYYYYYYYYYWHEN NIMI NIGHTMARE DIES
Well since (former) HoloEN is MIA at the moment, may I suggest these streams to fill your empty silent roomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAdqPqEQawghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ssAU7ktschttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8myz_YHTAIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZ07WRIn3chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GjuIrj1g6chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cvZYroU52whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2lvhMlS0z4
>>114726849bibot..
>>114726756its Selenstarmin
>>114726778Mori's blatant usage of JP's likeness in her music promo is disgusting. She pays them just so she can use their 3d models have them all run the same tracking data from some unknown. Mori sees JP as nothing more than tools
>>114726852Why does Meloco hate her EN fans?
Now you guys are going to say that Hololive EN died because of Justice and Advent.
How do we stop Kiara having woman moments
>>114726849
>>114726882Biboo was unable to reach one million subscribers when HoloEN was alive and she was supposed to be Gura's replacement.
>>114726876this but FWMC
>>114726538Or it was her manager posting to try to save face for the company.
>>114726875and the funniest thing is she's still runt after all those shorts shilling JP did for her last year
>>114725607Kek
>>114726920Yesterday, FWMC streamed in English. When was Meloco's last stream in English?
>>114726852no thanks i'll just play holodori or some other game
>>114726852>Niji>Avenger>Who?>Who but not even a week old>No seriously, who?>Phase>Ex Israeli CorpWhat a selection, real cream of the crop
>>114726852You will be better off learning japanese to watch hololive in the future than clicking any of these links
Honestly watching vtubers is probably the worst hobby you can have, it just makes you angry constantly.
>>114726657That was without FWMC who are huge buffs
>>114726928higher ccv than fwmc
>>114727005bold of you to assume I'd watch streams
Honestly, if you are EN and haven't moved to Japan yet, you should just fuck off and leave. You are a net negative to Japan and Japanese culture. Kiara is a prime example of the colonization followed by endless crying and unproductivity.
>>114727005>learning a dying language
>>114726852I'm good. I'm watching toffee's handcam right now
>>114727057not for long once they all go full Jap mode Fwmc gonna mog all of them with ease and Mori still gonna be a runt
>>114726852There are legit decent indies and small corpos and you recommend actual landfill tier trash
Advent and Mori always seem to bring out the seethe
>>114727034How about you just watch streams, instead of communicating with weird browns on a half dead website.
>>114725894why do woman buy the stupidest things?
>>114727044kek good one anon
>>114727142>women>stupid>pick two
>>114726852Guess I'll watch the fembud then.
>>114725894No Autofister sisters, look away! LOOK AWAY!
>>114726771Does this even work when Luxiem is basically dead? They seriously don’t do much better than the homos at this point.
>>114727188"Here is what I'm going to do.""I'm going to...undo your bed."Ceci: "Mhm."Gigi: "See that you enter..."Ceci: "Okay, I'm...entering."Gigi: "And whisper right this on your ear as you close your eyes."Ceci: "What are you going to whisper...?"
>>114726217it be Based!
>>114727218this happened in grembers btw
What is she thinking right now as she watches everything she wanted burn to the ground around her.
i interrupt you samefagging schizo rambling to share some male vtuber behavior
You know if holoID's situation improves after this merge you're never going to live it down since a lot of you were using Niji as a case study right?
>>114727225Who is top left supposed to be?
>>114727005Nah we'll just let Cover Corp keep losing money and viewership to Niji >>114710756
What if cover management thinks instead of debuting a new EN gen, they are hoping ID can be used as a substitute EN gens?
>>114727102they already speak Japanese more than her and still don't
>>114726279How angry do you think the community will be when they reveal that the new unit is entirely Japanese?
>>114727236Sneaking
>>114727252give me three reasons to watch holoID now that the merger happened
>>114727236This is mori without jap music contract
>>114727250spill the T
>>114727254Rica (NotMel)and NotNodoka
The idea of post merger debuts :>it'll be mixed!>noooo you'll stillll get EN speakers>things will improve, you won't have to deal with whatever unholy union of outdated concepts make up the majority of intraprofessional JP coworker relations and business culture, change is scary and you're being neurotic!The reality in the absolute best case scenario :>Melocos for everyone! YABBA DABBA DO thanks for blazing the trail for us Fuwamoco-senpai!
>>114727280I'm talking from a resource and bureaucracy standpoint
>>114727252I suppose any improvement in exchange for not having a new gen is fine for them.
>>114727271It's going to be really funny at least. Bonus points if one of them tries to speak in english to own the schizos but then immediately drops it after debut
>>114727265Fwmc's en timezone streams lower their average ccv, but if they got mostly Jp time zone they will surpass Kronii and CC as the top 2 most watched ENs
>>114727299Oh yeah, how is notNodoka doing?
>>114726262Even if he's wrong here the future of holoEN still looks dismal. Losing members with no mean of replacement can only lead to the real death. I bet a numbers of corpodrones have already prepared for the next phase "good riddance EN was never good"
>>114724264>Coup failed and she's deny accountabilityPeak white women behavior and anons here wants more white women for EN5
>>114727236>Now I'll get a ton of clout from the Jap senpais and I'll soon become 1st Army status YES!-Mori
>>114727374They are hungry
Where are the grem screenshots?
>>114726882I guess you weren't around to see the numbers the girls was pulling back in the day
>>114727317You're starting the early cope. No one told you fags to bring up NijiID as a case study. You did that all on your own
>>114727236>Shit I hope the nijis Engine me again
I still love Nimi.
>>114727343maybe if they're leeching JPs, not if they're by themselves, there's no reason for JPs to watch them rather than JP holos
>>114727409That's good to hear Randon
>>114727394I couldn't care less about Niji, I really wanted to see an ID4 and I'm sure it's not going to happen now.
>>114727353She's doing okay, she got invited to the newest Niji GTA server and collabed with NotAchan a few times:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEKO8-fTrSYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja52p3nNVdI
>>114727437>I really wanted to see an ID4 Who're you fooling?
>>114727413Why is not-CC there?
>>114727343Didn't they get shit ccv for aki's ark camp thing? Nobody's watching them over real JPs.
>same shitposts here and in /baubau/?
>>114727468>Who're you fooling?Fooling about what?
>>114727411They do best right before JP prime time (6pm JST) they get a bunch of early Jp bros and Late night EN bros
Killing EN and ID, not simply as administrative divisions within holo, but as concepts that members and fans are supposed to memoryhole, remains a baffling decision that has not been adequately explained by anyone, no good rrats even. It's inexplicable.
>>114725724>Bettel confirming that they do not in fact get a base salary any moreYagoo is really using Japanese banishment closet methods if things are that bad. Have no idea why Cover is having a 2027 concert if they no longer give them a salary. What is more curious is that Holostars EN didn't get merged so management is sending out mixed signals.
>>114727513simple really 72% of all revenue and 80% of holodori revenue comes from asia
>>114727236Considering she tried rebelling ages ago, saw how unpopular she was alone, and then instantly kowtowed and swore to go down with the ship I imagine she's just worried she'll just become way less popular until even Mori is unpopular. If that doesn't happen then I doubt she'll care.
>>114727531Finally Holostars are not funded by Hololive members anymore
>>114727363These posts make me think gremanyahu was just selenfag the whole timeSelengrem indeed
Holy shit are we fucking dead at this peak shitposting prime time?
why is she so ugly now like her model and also why is she vertical short streaming
>>114727648Because it's her classic model and she's playing a classic game, retardchama.
>>114727486The resident schizo chumbud got raped by both threads
>>114727631Kiara killed the angles
>>114727531>Have no idea why Cover is having a 2027 concert if they no longer give them a salaryMaybe it's a PR move? or perhaps it's a farewell gift from Cover before they get downsized.
>>114725501wait is that a Meloco English stream?
>>1147275312027 concert is likely using the last of their shared production budget that was given to HomoENs. Holostars overall are not getting merged or lumped together because they are signalling the end because merging them together makes no sense when they already announced the JP side is running on fumes.
>>114727372Mori does realize that Jps don't raid right? Her average ccv gonna tank if they go all in on Jp
>>114727510what's their number in that timezone? they had like the lowest numbers of everyone in Ark so they clearly aren't competitive with the JP holos
>>114727663its ugly as fuck and also vertial streams are shit
>>114727513If only Cover had announced a new EN unit people wouldn't be so negative about the merger. Even if it were the last one they will ever release, I want them to fool me.
>>114727715This is Touhou 4 remake, a vertically-scrolling shmup. It's literally the most valid use case for vertical streaming.
>>114727631pebots are sleeping
>>114727741its not vertical. it never was vertical. it was always 4:3 aspect ratio shes just a zoomer that thinks she can crop the game to vert for shorts viewer buff
>>114725678last quarter was horrifically bad in terms of revenue and profits, this quarter they beat consensus estimates in both
>>114724122If festival gets big tits in her rework, i will anti Holo for the rest of my life!!
>>114727513Cover has been wanting to end the EN/ID branches ever since Gura mogged the shit out of JP senpais. So they literally did everything to tank the branch:1. Slowly released new EN gens which meant the branch stayed small which kept the variation in options minimal and the ability for EN only large scale events much harder.2. They rallied behind the most unpopular EN member to try and boost her as the Face of EN instead of pushing other better members3. All of this combined made people lose interest in the branch killing it's revenue which gave Cover the perfect excuse to axe them and stop supporting them
>>114727799The boobs are coming, better get ready.
>>114727707Yeah but they still mog every EN in 3D lives
>>114727034No, that would be visiting this board. Watching a clip of Raora giggling and talking about how she can speak in cat language now that she's no longer EN, reminded me why people are happy when watching vtubers. It's just this board and some vtubers bitching and moaning that ruins the vibe.
>>114727838And not in ccv
>>114727707They beat Noel in a collab 4 days prior to ark. Numbers fluctuate, big fucking deal.
>>114727815My point is really much simpler, you gain nothing by axing EN as a talent unit. It upsets fans and members for no benefit. If they want do it internally as an administrative change to starve them of resources or do whatever, they can do that without killing as concept and damaging morale for benefit.
>>114727694don't check the EN chat percentage
>>114727880You're the one making a claim here and I just gave clear evidence to the contrary, calm down lol
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>>114727875What you mean they mog everyone in ccv
>>114727913Not at all in average ccv
>Raora: Oh yeah now that I'm no longer holoEN. That means I can just speak Italian only on streams>Matsuri wants to learn Italian from Raora>Many JP members are suddenly linking with RaoraYagoo is turning hololive into holoITalia......
>>114727902The merger didn't fix anything, another flop by Cover.
>>114727951>we are no longer separated by name now we can fuck the sexy italian!do they know they could have done that before the merge too?
>>114727868Yeah, sorry for ruining the vibe by complaining about my favorite vtuber unit, Hololive English, being Thanos snapped for no reason other than some nip thinks other nips will buy more merch if it's not called "EN" anymore. Everyone needs to just eat whatever shit comes out of Cover's ass.
>>114727964>nothing changedSo which is it? Did the merger destroy EN and ID or is it business as usual?
>>114728008Apology accepted.
>>114727884I think the future gens rrat is true. EN only gens and Id only gens are not gonna be profitable in the future. So to make them click with the JP audience, they gotta add some JPs into those gens and the only way it makes sense is to merge the branches and do mix gens going forward.
>>114727034Not only that, but it's part of the culture now too. People watch and automatically expect something to go horribly wrong at some point because of the vtuber herself or because of something out of her control. The shadow of the axe hangs over every little joy you find in them, and it's pretty much just a vtuber thing.People in here will vehemently deny this and yet they fail to see that the existence of this very thread relies exclusively on the negativity of the vtuber scene. /#/'s exists ONLY because of the negativity in the vtuber world, the very purpose of this thread is to feed from that and keep the thread going. Like this is the normal way to participate in vtuber fandoms and communities and it's fucking insane. And no, the JP side of vtubing does not have it any better and they never did.
>>114728015It was a joke but isn't the whole point of the merger to make things better? If everything is still the same they shouldn't have done anything.
>>114728008You were a fan of the "unit"? Sounds fucking retarded, I only care about my oshi really and so far nothing has changed for her or the girls shes closest with.
>>114727990Some managers actually encourage IDs to speak in their own language. Not surprised if there are managers telling them to dial down in other languages
>>114726863mindbroken..
>>114728051Again, they were already not recruiting new gens. They did not have to kill EN to do what they're already doing.
>>114727544That's a good amount of revenue still. Plus ID is in Asia too, and there's a lot of EN fans there. It's not like the rest of Asia are just all fawning over Japan hardcore, if anything I think they like the more "international" feel with girls from different places, Westernized Asians, etc.
>>114727218>Ceci: MhmKEK
>>114727252What are the chances?
>>114727236She thinks the same thing every foreigner that lives in Japan thinks at some point>I gave my heart and soul to this nigger company and they still treat me like a dancing monkey foreigner piece of fucking dogshitAnd Fuwamoco will soon realize the same, or knowing them and their mental illness regarding worshipping Japan, they will enjoy being treated like shit instead so good for them I suppose. What holds Mori together is her music label contract, it's the thing Cover flaunted to everyone about when she got it as if to say "see? WE at Cover did this for her, WE got her this sweet contract and now she gets to be in all this famous stuff because of US!" so yeah, the moment that thing expires she's in severe danger.
>>114727944What has average CCV done for any EN vtuber? nijiEN and phase botted to farm watch hours and they make no money
>>114727990Okayu already knew that, before Serendipity she was hanging out with Raora very often
>>114728069No, being a HoloEN fan is not retarded, nor does it contradict the concept of being an oshi. You are a disingenuous faggot.
day three of the sell off after the merger, investor san is NOT happy
>>114727884>why do something illogical?Jealousy is a very powerful force
Didn't they post audition recruitment for EN last year? It's not like they can't debut an english unit. Not debuting one is actually bad for optics for the shareholders since overseas revenue is like 20%. I wait till the next shareholders Q&A, some shareholders are definitely gonna ask about it.
Hololive wonUnicorns wonI won (did nothing)
>>114728098They weren't recruiting EN or ID because they not profitable, but now that they've merged the branches they will be recruiting a few ENs/IDs probably like 2 per gen going forward and throwing in some JPs into the new gen.
>>114728194>still up from two weeks agonegriable
>>114728201>overseas revenue is like 20%you just answered yourself why would they go for the lesser profitable option
>>114728154Average ccv only matters if the difference is really big. Going from a miko to a mio is like a 30k difference and naturally there is a huge income disparity. EN ccv difference is like a few k difference at max after gura left that it doesn’t matter. You get like a 5k difference going from kronii/CC to shiori.
>>114728235Who's desperate enough to work for Cover as a foreigner at this point? They look nearly as bad as Phase and Nijisanji
>>114728235>just ruin all gen cohesion going forward by making them unable to understand each other with multilingual branches!Damn you might actual work for cover with how fucking RETARDED you are
>>114728051And this is what kills the ID and EN fanbases, the merger pretty much confirms that that EN/ID failed and couldn't do it on their own and need JP to save them. But there were people sounding the alarm ever since Gura left about En needing to expand and do more events to increase viewership, but instead those people got called schizos and the Fanbase stayed content watching EN fall, and now we are here.
>>114728065We likely won't see any changes til further down the line and the way some talents explained it some of the background changes already happened before the announcement and that things haven't been different for the newest members yet.
