Why is /vt/ siding with Ina/management and turning on Kiara when previously /vt/ sided with Doki and turned on Elira/management?I think you guys owe Elira an apology.
Don't careNot watching EliraNot watching Nijisanji
>>114737541Is this /vt/ siding with Ina/management and turning on Kiarain the room with us right now?
>>114737541Did Hololive terminate anyone from that merge?No?There's your answer, retard!
>>114737613They stealth fired Kiara and Ina did damage control for jap managers
>>114737629Cool fanfic, got more of those?
>>114737629>>114737652>13:15:27>13:16:27Didn't even put the effort to at least not be so obvious samefagging
It's LITERALLY ok when hololive does it.
>>114737678Everything to bump /vt/'s PPM
>>114737541holocucks are slaves
>>114737541/NijiEN/ had been keking about how vindicated their words about Holo ended up. I guess the all out war is now at a stalemate...
>>114737909It's the closest thing to good news that they've had since 2023.I'm sure this will last. Surely.
>>114738078They've been gradually winning me over to their side with their arguments tbdesu
>>114738181Dunno, anon. When the best news your group has is "the other guy's not doing so hot these days," it doesn't make me want to watch either.
>>114738234But they have a lot more going on than just Holo not doing well. For all their flaws they are the one agency to be in if you're a fan of male chuubas. Female fans can feel comfortable there. I can't speak as to the female livers but I guess if you want to watch girls without sharing a space with incels (not saying most holofans are incels btw but you can't deny there are a lot) or see men & women interacting kinda normally they are the main option. Also its far more than the other guy not doing well... everything people accused Niji of turned out to apply just as much to Holo.
>>114738181NijiEN girls-- constantly talking about the boys on stream, like every 5 minutes-- constantly shoving mixed collabs in your face, girls only collabs are rare and far between-- girls have actively flirted with the guys, and wanted to suck their dicks and fuck them, on stream and on twitter-- those same guys they travel with and live with for months at a time in hotels, and tweet together at 2am from the bar as they're drinking and partying-- there are like 7 active well-known relationships in the branch, and 5 more suspected or hinted relationships.-- Leaks constantly confirm there are active relationships in the branch, and this even got several people fired.-- Their humor is not great, they mostly talk about poop, toilets, sex, and buttholes. It's like crass, low-class humor for morons-- Favoritism games played by management, talents blacklisting other talents. Any sort of "friendship" the branch supposedly represented is nothing but a distant memory. -- Massive scandals plaguing them, management had to take a scorched earth policy to suppress everything, stop information from getting out about how fucked the branch's social environment actually is. Suing people for simply reporting on them.-- The fandom are some of the most snarky, nasty, cuntish people who worship the corporation and instantly turn on talents who get fucked over by the corporation. NijiEN is like a disaster, it's like a nuclear crater with some bugs crawling in the middle.
>>114738302For the record this is (probably) a known schizo in /NijiEN/ that constantly peddles his incel bullshit and makes up fictions about the livers. Also a Yuy fan for some reason. Although reading the post over it doesn't quite sound like fatty except for the humor part...>Suing people for simply reporting on them.Tbf if they're anything like Parrot or Khyo I can't say I feel *that* bad...
>>114738279>everything people accused Niji of turned out to apply just as much to Holo.Not really. Niji had a lot more malicious shit going on, like actual sexpesting with Aster, severe harassment and bullying as shown with the Ike leaks, and staff going out of their way to hide/protect problematic members with how they handled Twisty/Luca/Elira, etc. Remember that everyone who's left NijiEN has done so in tears (Quinn aside), while ex-Holos still seem to be fine supporting the company and even buy merch themselves on occasion.And this is before taking in everything that happened with Selen, which was completely inexcusable. Nijisanji is the worst kind of facade.
>>114738302>The fandom are some of the most snarky, nasty, cuntish people who worship the corporation and instantly turn on talents who get fucked over by the corporation.Good thing hololive fans aren’t like that. That'd be fucked up.
>>114737541Its not /vt/ its just hololive subhumans.
>>114738394Source: the voices and your cuck fantasies had a baby that told you this
>>114738481>Good thing hololive fans aren’t like that. That'd be fucked up.There's levels to this. For example, I can't recall any situations where a holo fan spammed an ex-holo's hard doxx down to their passports under an ex-holo's tweets for a week while active holomem were participating in retweeting them or boosting it so that it was impossible to interact with their tweets without seeing the person's real name, photos, address, and passport information.
>>114738302>>114738461>>114738538Nijiniggers have no response to those kek
If its all going to be merged under JP:-JP branch: No difference.-EN branch: Its fine, some tax implications depending on area of residence, but nothing Cover can't handle.-ID: Prepare to get fucked as the company is no longer Indonesian. So Ina is probably fine. Kiara will be fine too. ID should move out of their cesspool (politically and economically) nation, otherwise Reine needs to pull some strings.
>>114738461>actual sexpesting with AsterBut was anything actually proven? The only thing Twisty released was some recorded conversations that were inconclusive, and she never published anything more outside some vague threats about having more damning evidence. He was clearly unpopular and weird bts but nothing proved he actually sexpested anyone. I don't want to be mean to Ike but he sounded like a massive diva in the DMs so I'm not fully convinced he was totally innocent in that, he sounded like someone who would 100% make a situation worse for himself by wording things in the worst way possible. Some people also pointed out that Vshojo might have had a hand in influencing people to graduate from Niji. Ex Holos do seem to leave on good terms but it just doesn't seem to me like ex Nijis all left in tears or anything like that. Kyrio (notHex) always talks positively about his time in Niji, Kuro too kinda. Matara kan talks about Niji when she has a personal interest in doing so.With Selen... I don't want to be callous and what happened to her was still extremely fucked up, but I have my doubts that one side was pure good while another side was pure evil. She recorded a convo with Vox without his consent clearly with the intent to use that to make him look bad or as blackmail.
>even more japcel management oversightTerrible for anyone who likes the tiniest bit of freedom.
>>114738652proof next thread
>>114738626>x Holos do seem to leave on good terms but it just doesn't seem to me like ex Nijis all left in tears or anything like that. I'd recommend checking out Vivi's graduation announcement stream if it's still up, as well as the stream that was directly after it. She was very clear about how management was making her feel and how much the company was at fault. People didn't comment on it much because she was relatively unpopular, so it should still be up. There's also the whole thing with Pomu (her list of grievances was VERY long), and both Mysta and Nina were having tons of problems throughout their tenures with the fans and staff long before vshojo ever came into the picture. Again, this is also not counting Selen's long and very well documented history with management, as she tended to overshare just about everything that was going on behind the scenes. >but I have my doubts that one side was pure good while another side was pure evilIf anything, you could look at every other "scandal" Doki has been proxy to over the past few years. Every single one has had her coming out almost comically angelic once the details and evidence came out. The vox thing for example was clearly never meant for him and could never have hurt him in any way, especially with what we now know about Luca's leaks (and his lack of punishment for them). It was meant entirely for putting pressure on management for favoritism and unequal treatment, etc. which has become even more apparent with time. Seriously, I half believe Doki has an actual halo at this point. If you want to still follow Niji, go for it, but because of these reasons and seeing the behavior of the niji members vs ex niji members over the past few years, I feel like it's become pretty clear who was in the wrong.
>>114738652>Woah what the fuck. What is this all about???Look up what happened with Zaion/Sayu. She was put through absolute hell after being terminated and for over a week had every tweet on her account flooded with her hard dox, with several similar events happening for months afterwards, too. She ended up having to move two or three times in the next year after being doxxed again and again because the niji fans were quite relentless and she became a lolcow to them.
>>1147382792/3 of the old Nijisanji that was Male left with Pomu, Selen, Nina,and Mika with Rosami just recently taking about 40k mostly Male fans with her the 8% Male audience post Feb 2024 isn't even 8% male fans anymore of the remaining 200k or so active viewers a dayThe fall off from Pandemic Lockdown being lifted 4/2023 effecting not only vTubing viewership as a whole, but also podcasting, Content Creation, Streaming and Streaming Services as they no longer was the only form of entertainment for a "captive Audience"Take Nijisnji:s 300k activate viewers vs Hololives 6 Million Active viewers....cause the Lockdown is lifted lot of Lonely Chinese and Korean women rather go back to the Male Host Clubs, Male Strip Clubs so their viewers numbers have dropped while on the case of Hololive, while 6 million active viewers a day across all channels may look impressive, it used to be closer to 100 million during lockdown but people had to go back to work and Normies went back to their Soaps and Talk Shows,Traveling, and Theater,etc and never looked back at the rando streamer using a Rumbus Shark Anime girl Avatar at a ungodly hour in the morning cause apparently she streams near 24/7 cause of Insomnia(37-4Oish if staff forgets to kick her off to try to sleep)Scarle and Aia are the only ones left with a sizable Male Audience that supports them through Superchats (guys don't by plushies, plushie keychains,Keychains, wall scrolls(mini posters) Acrylic Stands(paper dolls), Diagrams (paper doll house), stationary, post cards, or stickers....that's merch for girls in a Hello Kitty Shop)...they and their fans stay in their own lane unless Nijisanji makes Aia and Scarle do a Collab or Sponsered thing
>>114738825another example
>>114737541Ina didn't steal all the merch opportunities from GuraIna didn't drive anyone into two suicide attemptsIna didn't blame the victim while dragging her coworkers down with her
>>114738858>>114738825one more. It went on for a while.
>>114738452Nijisister fingers typed this post
>>114738831>Scarle and Aia are the only ones left with a sizable Male Audience that supports them through SuperchatsSure but living as a gachi fiend is a hard life. It means you have to constantly churn out streams every day for long hours to ensure they don't move on, since pleasing those 3-5 people is your entire career. It's far more comfortable to be a streamer with a high ccv and make money on adrev and memberships instead. Those streamers can have a casual schedule, they can take vacations, they don't have to worry about doting on their supporters all the time. It's a much better way to make money.Scarle and Aia are almost forced into that strategy because Niji only provides them like 100-200 ccvs as an audiencebase, and they are in a desperate struggle for survival to keep their head above water
>>114738917This is why I can't see the recent move as a "win" for Nijisanji. Sure, its one of the most retarded things Hololive can do but the average Nijisanji member:- is irrelevant- has low CCV- is usually male or, and if she's female, is some unlikeable third-worldie with an atrocious attitude- has a terrible fanbase with>terrible merchI've been to local cons and the artists always sell merch of Holos. Not one person cares about Nijisanji, whether EN or JP. This move from Cover is not going to magically prop up Nijisanji when their own well is tainted.
>>114739089Nijisanji is popular. I don't know why because I don't know japanese. From my perspective it looks like the japanese Robot Chicken, with "lol random thing happen" type of humor designed for lower class people. But NijiEN is not even close. They were popular, but they threw it away because certain branchmembers were hardcore political ideologues who insisted upon stunting on the incels every other stream, forcing gross mixed content down everyone's throats, and creating drama with their lascivious conduct behind the scenes. Plus management wasn't able to address the problem because they're buddies and close friends with the very same people that need firing.
>>114739158>Nijisanji is popularIn Japan, which is your point, yes. Nijisanji has Kuzuha and a bunch of other randos in JP. Their accelerate policy worked as intended, which is why they have two weird mascot looking things, two literal clowns and Kuzuha going against all the graduates.And I agree about NijiEN. Again, its why I can't see NijiEN ever truly scoring that win. Its like how Nijisanji put out a casting call for a pair of twins because they were jealous of Fuwamoco's success. Sure, those same twins are no longer in "Holive English", but they're still Hololive. They'll still do well. NijiEN is just going to experience a further degradation because RIku only cares about acceleration.
>>114738825Sayu/ZionShe came in with her 14k Fanbase, she left with her 14k fanbasrShe told her fans why she left Nijisanji... She was a silly and thought Nijisanji pays 80% of IP like Idol, Phase Connect, and most VA contract work Worldwide (Shylilly on "Industry Standard" is no more then 10% union, 15% non union,20% contract work to Agency)When she saw she only got 34% she first checked it was and Error, then wanted to leave but they didn't want her to leave so she got a Lawyer and the Lawyer argued the Contract was illegal and Nijisanji Terminated her with what is known as a Japanese Business defrocking(it's why Japanese Workers never leave a job abruptly without good reason as being defrocked is part of Japanese Business Culture if you are seen as a difficult or unappreciative employee(and for the record, just defending yourself like Doki did is the Proper response, she likely had a Asian Lawyer that deals with such "Honor/Dishonor" disputes how Sayi handled it wasn't good)
>>114739220To be Fair FuwaMocci was recruited cause of their Asian/South East Asian Fanbase potentiaThere is a reason a slip by Fuwawa on X turned that Shibuya? Mr Donut into a Shrine until Mr Donut threaten to shut down that location and it involves 3 letters
>>114739220My point is, if you go to /lig/ there's dozens of female english-speaking youtubers with like, 2k-5k ccv. They're common, many of them only popped up last year. So there's obviously a big western market for vtubing. Vtubers of that tier totally outclass the current crop of 3-view shitter in NijiEN. You can combine Luca, Vox, Sonny, Vanta, Wilson, you won't equate to 1 Crelly. Online spaces have that order-of-magnitude effect. If you got 3 girls like that, threw them in a branch together, they would easily outperform this whole NijiEN branch of 3-views. It's like paving over some shanty town shacks with an office building. What Niji should do is apologize, close the branch, while merging the few you want to keep. Then put out a girls-branch. They'll make way more money that way, it would be so easy too. But they can't do that, because it would require firing Elira. For some reason keeping Elira around is more important than anything. More important than millions of dollars, international reputation, the future of the company as an international one. Why? What magic fucking powers does Elira have that guarantees her this kind of deference?
>>114739275You get it. Its also why Fuwamoco will be among the ENs that benefit the most from this merger. All the people saying "they will never be JP" can now shut up because they are able to attract such a fanbase. Plus their bilingual abilities means they can handle both English and Japanese events on the fly - they make for some very good hosts. Cover really lucked out by getting Fuwamoco.>>114739296I buy the rrat that Elira is a manager, and Riku genuinely doesn't give two shits about running his company competently. He's a young rick punk who delegates all the work to the other branches well living off the large perecentage he gets from their hard work. There's a reason why no one wants to join Nijisanji EN - when Mint and Dokibird cannot make the branch work, you know there is no hope.Hell, all those indies you mention? I bet many of those will still apply to Hololive despite the merger. Its why I do think Hololive is still planning for future English generations, even if it is now under a unified label.
>>114739296>there's dozens of female english-speaking youtubers with like, 2k-5k ccv.No there aren't, there are around 4. The others SOMETIMES reach 2k-5k but most of the time sit at ~1k
>>114739089Nijisisters were so angry about EN Indies getting more merch at OffKai than NijiEN, but the sisters refuse to understand why and think it's a grand conspiracy against NijiEN kek
>>114739388All of Advent and Justice were recruited as Talents with established fanbases Bibo is in fact the missing Counsel member that they took so long twiddling their thumbs on some hang up ,she wondered off to go stream on Twitch as an Indie and was having to much fun to bother coming back(they made sure to capture her and throw her in the back of the white van without hesitation this time)
>>114739819The reason why there isn't as much Nijisanji Merch at OffjKai is most Nijisanji Merch sales happen in Japan and the Dropship Merch Business is Chinese and Korean mail order Merch SalesAS far as Physical Concerts anywhere but in Japan that was mostly the Dragoons and Pomudatchis flying around the world because they can and they still do that as Wisps and Doki Dragoons (Korean,Japanese,and Chinese fans had Online tickets for that 2024 concert where the xheater was canceled but they still had 30k online ticket sales so refunding the seats,giving them free digital tickets and eating the $57k? was still about $3? million in end)
>>114740091No, the reason is NijiEN merch made by artists didn't sell, especially after the black screen incident. That's why they stopped making it. Nijisisters don't buy shit.
>>114739688??? What?Shondo, Dokibird, Nimi Nightmare, Chibidoki, Juniper Acitas, Crelly, Yuy_IX, Aquwa, Grimmi, Limealicious, Bao the whale....this is just off the top of my head I realize there's way more. You get the idea, there's tons of these. They don't even have corpo backing or anything, they have no resources behindt hem, yet they can pull this off.
>>114740309Some random others I didn't mention because they're less relevant to /vt/, and also I forgot themhttps://twitchtracker.com/laynalazarhttps://twitchtracker.com/camilahttps://twitchtracker.com/nihmunehttps://twitchtracker.com/cottontailvahttps://twitchtracker.com/kumihttps://twitchtracker.com/oliviamonroeKeep in mind most of NijiEN can't even hit 1k anymore, except like 3 members. Talents of this size and scale stand over the NijiEN girls like giant redwood treeds.
>>114740309Dokibird and Nimi were ex-corpo while Grimmi was scouted by Holo. But I do see your point. Especially Grimmi... she really should not have turned down EN4.
>>114737541We (all of us, yes WE as in you and me and everyone in here right now) will always side with hololive and Cover first. If Kiara isn't on board with the company vision then I dunno man, skill issue on her part. Simple as that really. It's the correct thing to do and the only thing to do in general.
>>114737758This board is barely active Kiara hate is the only thing keeping it on life support.
>>114741175I like Kiara
why /vt/ shitting on kiara ?how newfags are you bro/vt/ not siding with holo managementthey just want to shit on kiara
>>114741207>The board turns into hypocrites and supports Elira behavior and JP management if it means they can shit on Kiara
>>114741731Duh
>>114737588Fpbp
>>114738875>Ina didn't steal all the merch opportunities from Gura>Ina didn't drive anyone into two suicide attempts>Ina didn't blame the victim while dragging her coworkers down with herElira is so comically evil that it's actually baffling that Nijisanji management made her the main female vtuber for the EN branch. Nijisanji actually destroyed their western reputation over that and they really did think a smear campaign against an employee that attempted suicide was a good idea. Japanese corporations really do often feel like anime villains.
>>114738875Proof of Elira doing any of this?
>>114746398You'd have to be tranny retard to not see why Elira is fucking bitch
>>114737541The real answer to this blatantly fake Nijisister larping is that most actual Hololive fans abandoned this board for Hugboxtower. Now what you have are numbermonkeys, shitstirring dramafags & ragebaiters, and bonafide schizos.
>>114739221Did any of that justify Niji's inaction when it came to Zaion's harassment by their own fanbase though? Especially while she was still their employee?
>>114737541Holy KEK!
>>114737909HoloEN doesn't exist. NijiEN has won by default.
>>114737541Does Kiara have a single valid good point? No? She's just being a hysterical depressed drama queen on her period?Ok.
>>114748998Kanata was old Hololive to the core, she's a genmate and close friend of Coco after all. Kanata wouldn't engage in the same theatrics but I'm positive she'd sympathize with Kiara. She maintained her dignity and integrity to the end. So don't use her pic as if she'd agree with you. We all know Hololive and Cover are deeply flawed and she wasn't afraid to be truthful about it.
>>114737541Ina stated what she believes in a clear, concise way that was 100% her own thoughts and not reading a pre-prepared script. Even stating that she refused to take part in the Holo Next announcement until they explained it to her in a way that she believed in. If the company holds true to their promise? Awesome, great for everyone. If they don’t? She won’t hesitate to point it out and call them out on it. Going so far to remind everyone that she was a vtuber fan before becoming one and she understands what mergers can often mean. Also, just a neat little tidbit, none of the talents were pushed to a fucking suicide attempt by management. Hope that clears things up.
>>114737541imagine spending the 30 minutes a day you get on the shared village computer in rural indonesia making posts like these
>>114737541Don't use my Oshi's name (Ina) to do low quality shitposting , pagpag eating subhuman
>>114749627Literally EVERY holo is fine with it except Iofi and Kiara the bitch and the menhera
>Holoanti bait thread turned into a game of who remembers the most Niji crimesAnd you still haven't mentioned shit like Hex stalking fan accounts, Brisko faking his death on RM, the aftermath of that Vox ASMR with Reimu, the SECOND Black Stream in which Ike asked Dokibird for forgiveness, Luca getting NijiEN banned from NijiGTA due to being a weirdo
>>114749722uh huh, just like fubuki amirite?
>>114737541The only good niji is a dead niji
>>114750039you seem like a big fan
>>114750078Well SOMEONE has to watch Niji these days.
>>114737541Anon, I'll only apologize to Elira if she does a VP suffocating the listener with her huge dragon milkers
>>114737541ugly
>>114737541Kiara is literally the Elira in this case
>>114737541NijiSEETHE
>>114754763how would she be the Elira in this? she doesn't have the favor of management. is not the company mouth piece.
>>114754763Cali is the Elira
>>114738879what causes this psychopathy? isnt this a chuuba they liked? Why would you want to ruin someone's life?
