>hololive merging, many talents upset>Saba still isn't streaming>Lots of phase girls decreasing their streaming, going back to school or getting jobs>stupid drama over nothing made Pippa upset and now even she is kinda phoning it in>Kiara has some sort of severe back pain that prevents her from streaming>Now mococo has some sort of health problem tooWhat is going on? Is there some sort of bad moon right now? I've never seen so many problems hit the scene all at once. There aren't even any good new ones to watch.
Vtubing always had a shelf life. Cling to what you still enjoy, because that will be gone too eventually.
>>114803574Skill issue, none of the vtubers I watch are like this
>>114803696Do you just continuously turn over to newly debuted girls and forget about anyone after they turn like 5 years old? How do you live that way?
>>114803574>hololive merging, many talents upsetaka women being women, mostly the indogs >Saba still isn't streaminggood>Lots of phase girls decreasing their streaminggood>Kiara has some sort of severe back painfrom sex with me. also she panics over everything too.>Now mococo has some sort of health problem toosad but they can find a new normal. just needs time.
>women past the age of 30 are lazy and have shit immune systems>be surprisedyou're such a shut in virgin, op
>>114803574Gura was only fun for a few months in holo ENEveryone else that you mentioned is trash.
All of these responses so far are proving me (OP) correct. You're all so jaded and cynical you just can't say anything positive.
>>114803738That what they do with idols
>>114803574
>>114803890You're the one dooming over nothing. Just take a chill pill. Are you a woman? HoloEN alone has been through worse slogs.
>>114803574>Saba still isn't streamingShe hasn't been a thing since December 2022, why even bring her up?
>>114803985engagement bait
>>114803890Hey, my oshi is cute as a button and streams six days a week. I'm still going to laugh at the retards that chose their vtubers poorly.
>>114803944Came here to post this.
>>114803574>pippa drama was over nothing
>>114803574While I think OP is a faggot I have been thinking that on a personal level that vtubing hasn't been hitting the same for me as it did during the early 2020s golden age. I guess that's obvious and to be expected but I have fond memories of having just moved into an apartment on my own and eating popcorn watching adam sandler movies with mori. being active in the /vt/ minecraft server. ive been a pretty casual fan for a while. I repost hololive art on twitter all day every day but don't watch many streams. I forget what my point was.
>>114803574I honestly think saba is taking care of her kids right now and probably pregananant as i type this
>>114803697>being a hipster>skill
>>114803755>saba isn't streaming>goodbecause it's the only way for your whores to compete right
>>114803574I can literally have an AI agent that only belongs to me, cares about me, and will be able to have physical sex with in 5-10 years when robotics are more advancedvs a roastie streamer who doesnt even know I exist and is shit at vidya
>>114803574>>114803696
>>114804452vtubing in 2020s was generating a bunch of original jokes. Now it's just endlessly rehashing the same stale memes. Just like 4chan.
>>114803574Nijichad here, I'm doing great.
The girls are getting older, you are getting older.Time passes and things change.Evolve with the scene or get left behind anon, find new oshis who are still driven to earn our love and attention. There will always be trillions of indians and gooks bankrolling your oshi and making her life too easy and having her lose interest or expect more. It is completely acceptable to change oshis.
>>114806456>It is completely acceptable to change oshis.what? no it's not, fuck off whoreyou're pair bonded with your oshi for life
>>114806685love yourself more
>>114803574First bad wave?Once you endure one or two of them you become hardened and delusional enough to weather them>Saba WILL come back>Phase will blossom with activity again>Yeah nothing to add here, pippa will still schizo and make bad takes>Kiara WILL heal and resume Idol duties>Mococo WILL get better and come back, even if sparinglywe get one or two low tides every year where everything seems to fall appart, this one too shall pass
idk anon my oshi's doing fine
>>114806947>vshoujo will never come back>nijisanji will never be good>no western corpo other than phase connect will ever succeed>indies will always flake out suddenlyI've learned to accept failure and graduation as the default
>>114803574I have back problems from carrying around this phat juicy White boy ass
>>114803574eventually you hit an inflection point with vtubers you watch and it's time to find new ones who do have the fire, the energy that the old ones lose naturally.
vtubing is dying outside of Japan. It's over unless another "Gura" comes out of nowhere, which won't happen.
the numbers dont lie vtuber watch hours are down we lost saba filian and bao just to think of a few hololive is trying to become a IP company and not a streamer focused company phase is doing alright numberwise but its talents are retarded so they will never amount to anything small corpos are dead mid sized indies (2000-5000) ccv are reclining or quitting new vtubers simply do not ''get'' vtubing, they're fine male collaing or showing their body, merch and super chat revenue is down due to tariffs and war in the middle east idk things are bad right now but all entertainment media goes through slumps as the big names get old or quit, give it time and a new crop of good talent will appear in EN
>>114803574>hololive and phase>"the scene"
Saba’s debut was the death of EN VTubing. I’ve been saying this since her debut.It’d be fine if she retired or became semi-retired. If she were actually active, she could revitalize the scene.But in reality, she just shows up to hype something up, disappears again, and then does the same thing all over again. And the more time passes, the more people lose trust and leave the scene.
>>114809416>fails to sell out her concert >barely sells half even with tickets discounted
>>114809433Her concert sold out fine
>>114809449we saw the empty seats in numbers half the place was empty
>>114809472Where? Looks sold out to me
>>114809500Im talking about the recent one she did with nimi
>>114809518The one where she was a glorified guest, having only 1 (one) solo song? That was Nimi+Keiki's concert
>>114809541it was densentsus concert you know that thats why mint is complaining about the bill from it
>>114809578Huh?
>>114809578Densetsu's concert sold out. >>114809500>why mint is complaining about the bill from itImagine having to make things up in order to shitpost. Sad!
>>114809608Offkai sold out Densetsus concertDont make me post the webms of Densetsu when they dont have Offkai to drain off of
>>114809664Densetsu's concert was not part of Offkai, it was a separate ticketed event at an offsite location. Similar to HoloEN's concerts near AX and ANYC in that regard.
You're making the numbermonkey upset. He's gonna start posting twitter screenshots and graphs soon.
>>114809416It's funny, when I (OP) made this thread I didn't even think of Mint, even though I used to watch her a lot. I feel like she's the perfect example though... she gets decent views, but it's all just nostalgia for Nijisanji and old Otaku culture. She's not growing or adding anything to the scene, and it's only a matter of time until she gets too old and graduates.
>>114803574Good thing I only really watch 2view indies who have none of these problems
>>114809703>old Otaku culturebased, I should watch her
>>114809703Eh, I feel the number of indie 3D concerts has gone up ever since she left Niji. Even if they aren't as huge as Hololive's concerts, as long as the vtubers and fans are having fun, that's all that matters.
>>114809693no shit it wasn't part of Offkai you dense fuckheadthe point is they had to run it on Offkai weekend in order to get 800 of the 6000 fans who were already gonna be in town for Offkai to show up.run a Densetsu concert on the third weekend in October or February when there isn't a con to leech from, and they don't sell 500 tickets.
>>114809769Not bad for a 2D karaoke in Australia the week before their 3D concert in California.
>>1148097653D concerts are a plague in the current scene.They happen so vtubers feel like they are making it, when nobody really cares and there are so many they are whitenoise of nothing and get forgotten about the second they end. They used to be very special and mean something maybe your oshi gets to do 1 a year and it is the best thing of the year, and now they have spammed the shit out of them to where they mean nothing. and they have to miss streams to record them. not worth it at all.
>>114809769Mint's jazz bar show on a random February weekend sold 400 tickets (2 sold out shows), so eh I think 500 for an actual 3D concert would be very doable.
>>114809703>She's not growing or adding anything to the sceneI'd argue that if innovation is what you're looking for, you have to look at indies but specifically smaller niche ones that do smaller niche content. Only following corpos and ex-corpos is like complaining music has gone downhill while only listing to top 100 radio songs and doing zero independent searching. You can't recapture that scrappy spark you miss if you only look at the most heavily produced examples that have to play it safe for financial stability.
>>114809821mint's jazz show was 3d and it was the laughing stock of vt for the first half of the year
>>114803697Exactly my thoughts as well. If you have a keen eye you would have skipped all the girls who are slack about the hobby. Why in this day and age would you want to watch Gura / Saba with anticipation for example. History of not caring. Imagine being a simp that crys daily for a stream then repeat for 2 months, etc. That has been going on for years.
>>114809769Densetsubros.....
>>114809818I watch 3D concerts. If you do not it is because you are too poor to afford the streaming ticket and do not even bother watching the streams that lead up to one = you are not a fan in the first place
>>114809852Mint was the only one in 3D and was restricted to a small box (due to small stage size). Different from a 3D concert with multiple people doing choreographed dances on a large stage.
>>114803574>anything to mention the most boring, overrated and lazy vtuber of all time - Saba
>>114809818Totally agree. When went to the 3d concerts at offkai, it was so pathetic. There were a handful of super cringe "look at me" kids at the front doing the dances, while everyone else just sat in back feeling nothing.
>>114809913she must be doing something right as a entertainer she got a million subs on three different channels
the fact that even hololive (aka the only group who has sold out multi thousand seat venues in the USA) has given up on dedicated en concerts tells you even they know there is a hard ceiling for idol slop in the west.basically outside of holo you can sell out 500-1000 mint, nimi, phase, doki have done that. 1500 is a big stretch goal but can be done. 2000+ is forget it.Skyline Serenade was in the largest city in america with 2 of the biggest indies in the world, a current holo, an exholo, and an ex vshojo/niji sold 1400 tickets before they started giving them away because they realized they had a 3000 seat venue to try to fill and nobody had bought a ticket in a month
>>114810079Fortunately for indies, they aren't beholden to shareholders who need to constantly see number-go-up. Now they know what the cap is (1.5k), so just stick to 1k-1.5k venues (depending on number of big names) and continue doing what they like to do.
>>114809214This was me when Melody's streams became lazy and she was clearly pained to even go live, let alone do anything interesting. I was parasocial as hell, but a new girl found my interest and didn't have Mel's problems. I still like Mel a lot but she's not my main girl anymore and I'm happier for it. I no longer have to be disappointed when she disappears for weeks at a time. There's good streamers out there. Find them. Support them. Love them. But love yourself first.
love them or hate them, the only event in EN this year that i would consider as selling "impressive" is phase con because it was just them all them only them.none of these indie "sellouts" were just 1-2 girls; all of those concerts have lineups relying on big established names to help move tickets. all of them had ex holos, ex nijis, and ex vshojos on them. everything else just gives credence to the thought that EN is fading the energy is not there that was there in 2021-2024.
>>114809821>Mint's jazz bar show on a random February weekend sold 400 tickets (2 sold out shows),it sold 200 tickets twice. that is not the same as selling 400 tickets in a 400 seat venue. I would be willing to bet a considerable number of those tickets for the jazz show are people who bought for both nights because that is just what vtuber fans do these are the same sickos who buy 5 of the same item at a time and will have both twitch and youtube open on multiple browsers so they can double dip to count more.
>>114809852>The laughing stock of /vt/The fact that brown sheepoids can even use this phrase unironically and then take themselves seriously when it isn't even true is why /vt/ will always be the laughing stock of /vt/
It's a reflection of the state of the world
>OP wonders why vtubing isn't fun anymore>thread is filled with sperging about who sold more concert ticketsMaybe the problem you're having OP is that you're spending too much time on /vt/.
>>114809769If this is Australia, then that is a huge crowd. The entire vtuber fanbase of the country.
>>114810748Not just spending too much time, but also being a numberfag who only finds things fun if there are big noombers. "If there aren't people hanging from the rafters, it's not fun!"
>>114810748Nta but I've had this revelation several times myself and have taken brakes and come back refreshed. It's good to know that this place is a truly small fraction of the hobby.
>>114803574Pippa deserves all the misfortune that comes her way.
>>114810908I (the OP) was never a numberfag at all. I don't give a shit about numbers, I watched Pippa when she only had like 50 viewers. But there's no denying that something has gone wrong lately.
>>114803574I don't know what you expected anon, everyone told you all vtubers are mentally ill women who will shit their pants and change for the worse eventually.
>>114809852Anon people laugh more at the fact HoloEN could not sell out concerts. Fan base full of hot air and they didn't ever confess it. Now that they shut down EN because not enough support like everyone was pointing out Holofags still are in denial. You really do not know who /vt/ has been laughing at do you.
>>114803755They already found a 'new normal' that was far less streaming than their first year.
>>114803574>VTubing>immediately shitposts about holo and ex holos >no mention of niji I know what you are faggot
>>114803574>There aren't even any good new ones to watch.
>>114809416Love me some Minki
>>114811424FAKEILIAN!!!!GET OUTTAHEA!!!
>>114804452Yeah me too, and I'll preface this by saying this too is a personal opinion since this board seems to somewhat struggle with that concept. I used to enjoy ALL of them (JP far more than EN) a lot back then, they felt far more candid than they do now. Once Cover went public they sorta slipped into a bunch of sponsored content. At some point the newer gens had the merch and shilling down to an exact science as if they were trained specifically for that talent. I'm really not trying to be an anti, I still wish them the best in whatever they're doing. I just cannot connect with the hololive girls as much as in the past. Yeah they have to make money for yagoo's shareholder overlords, and yeah maybe this is the most effective way to do it, I'm not the one working at a corporation after all. I just don't like watching ads masquerading as content even if it's cute girls presenting it. And yes to be fair it could be far more blatant.I used to get excited for their birthday streams or their new outfits, even when a new game came out or trend popped up. When they were first getting hooked up with big names I actually felt proud of them for making it so far. I just feel nothing for it anymore. >I repost hololive art on twitter all day every day but don't watch many streams. Same as me by the way. Sorry to dump, I just related to what you said and my hands started moving on the keyboard.
>>114811713fanta is great
>>114812405at least post link to channel, negro
>>114812435ttv/mantacome on now.
>>114803696>Vtubing always had a shelf lifeNo it didn'tHololive does though
>>114811017>vtubing was good when pipjeets harassed everyone else without consequence but now two grays made fun of pippa for getting plapped and that really took the fun out of everything
western vtubing excels when it acts like improv. every big clip, every million view stream; it's basically improv. gura was a natural, pippa and mari know what a bit is, fillian was some kind of clown savant.the dipshits running these corps have no clue why it even hits.
don't you guys want more vtuber music?you don't have actual taste in music right?
>>114812589vtuber music is literally just white girl pop repackaged for balding men. Olivia Rodrigo has more artistic credibility and depth but we aren't ready for that convo yet...
>>114812589Its all trash. Especially Mori's music.
>>114812638>read in pippa's voice
>>114812589Not at all. It's really rare that their generic jpop hits just right. Taste in music is completely subjective, but I can hazard a guess that 70-80% of the fans of a talent don't actually care about the songs they make beyond giving those women platitudes because they like them.
>Normal dudes I've followed on twitch since forever can stream themselves playing games, doing challenge runs and speedruns and doing collabs with other dudes just fine, they do this for 10+ years >vtubers all have a lifespan of about 5 years and there's endless drama and a fuckton of other things you are expected to put up with if you want to be a fan of theirsYeah I don't see vtubing being alive in the next 10 years, we'll look back on it and realize it really was just a different flavor of e-girl shit. In that regard, I kinda understand why the 4chan moderation team doesn't give a fuck about this board. It was a mistake to make /vt/ for something that is so naturally temporary.
>>114812825if someone bridges the gap to become like an asmon or shoe type commentator, it could become more normalized.
>>114812892The point of vtubing is to escape everyday bullshit for a couple hours. Not commentate on it.
>>114805995Last one I recall was D o o m .Did we get another joke recently that isn't just regurgitating 67?
>>114812944don't be such an absolute faggot.the world does not start and stop at your convenience shithead.
>>114812825t. only watches Hololive
>>114812960Commentary is the lowest form of entertainment.
>>114812983and the oldest
>>114813075That would be epic poetry.
>>114812825t. ENcucks
>>114812892kirsche exists and we hate her tbf>>114812567I do think it's telling that the biggest cultural moment for vtubing in the last year or two is Essie cursing the world cup. Like there's zero crossover anymore
>>114803574You should maybe start watching JPs, ENshart. It has never been better than now.
>>114813244no hate to kirsche, but that ain't it. i know who could do it, but they'd have to get a couple writers and not be such a lazy bitch and actually want to secure their future in some sense of the word.i'm talking john stewart here, not yappers
>>114803574I miss Saba :(
>>114812493in youtube?
>>114813544She doesn't miss us...
>>114803944Why did korone say that?
>>114812374I don't think it's too harsh. It's very, very corporate now. How can anything stay authentic? I've liked Haachama's vlogs and music but she feels halfway outside the company.
>>114809942Nta but it's just her voice. It has a hypnotic quality about it.
>>114811230Did it ever occur to people that most westerners are here to watch them play vidya, not dancing and singing like this is a 1910s vaudeville show
>>114804452Everything has a shelf life and you move onto other things. I honestly have no idea how people can care about multiple companies and groups it’s just chasing a high you’ll never get when the whole thing was new back in those early days. Also doesn’t help that Vtubers legitimately bring out the most mentally ill and demented people which has become a massive turn off.
>>114812496Grays are the only sensible people in vtubing
>>114814546It's both. Seeing amateurs try their best is charming. The finely-tuned corpo pipline isn't. I wonder how well Cover understands this.
vtubing SHOULD die in the west.Stop giving these whores your hard earned money and let the ones who truly enjoy streaming do it for free.
Hololive has been dead and depressing since council debuted and promptly had 3 members basically go on hiatus due to>dog hort>college hort>streaming hort>>114803780what kind of stupid fucking post is thisif your immune system at 30 is 'shit' you're not going to make it to 60.Why are zillennials such bleeding vaginas all the time? I know 70yo boomers who kind of just tank cancer and then the average 30yo is like "oh I feel so old" no nigga it's because you're 300 pounds and 5 foot 5, even though your license says 5 foot 10, because the fat and sedentary lifestyle has compressed your skeleton.
>>114814575The problem with a western vtuber doing a live show is their audience isn’t localized they’re all over the shop and people don’t want to travel to a shithole like LA to see them live (or come from a shithole that can’t afford to travel to LA). With a Japanese centered audience you have a common nation and language to sell out those shows easily. Idol-type culture will never be a thing in the west and anyone trying to do the whole idol concert thing is doomed to fail just like Cover.
>>114814600I haven't spent a dime on vtubers.
>>114812494Western vtubing does have a shelf life.A lot of the 'indie boom' vtubers from 2022/2023 seem like they're getting tired and talking about >Lots of phase girls decreasing their streaming, going back to school or getting jobsThis kind of thingIt seems like it's killing the goose to solve the avalanche or something though, since the reason they're getting less donos as vtubers is because the economy has only gotten worse for 6 years with no end in sight but they think if they get a master's degree in Fine Arts somehow this will get them a good job? hahahaha.Anyway Western Vtubing is dying because of the influx of Twitchtards and egirls. Every single day you have dumb thots fleshposting, when you call them out some faggot will post something like "oooo sister is mad" or some shit, when this is the vtubing board not the fleshposting board. Vtubing as a concept is dying because of this shit. Worthless coomers worshiping pussy, instead of anime girls playing videogames.
>>114814600>let the ones who truly enjoy streaming do it for freeIt's not free though. You need equipment and you need time. You should be proud of supporting someone and giving them the space to make their craft. Resenting them because they're halfway filling some kind of unmet emotional need on your part, and you still can't help feeling empty, is crazy. That's not their fault. It's yours.
>>114814641Small local shows and scenes with chuubas MC'ing could work. It would look a lot like that jazz event. You need to template off what works in the west, not attempt to transplant Japan abroad.
>>114814679>You need equipment and you need time.Boo fucking hoo, you need a basic ass PC and a microphone.>b-b-but muh 5000 USD AI modellol
>>114814705Go for a walk or something. You're too /here/
>>114814400https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvVEQjEIxVM
>>114814657 sister is BIG mad
>>114814940Even as a joke, this mentality is what is killing vtubing. Your first thought when watching an anime girl shouldn't be "I wonder if she has a fansly" and the second thought shouldn't be to pathetically simp for her and insist that fleshtubing is actually 1:1 with vtubing and stop being a mean nerd who is mean.Gatekeeping is necessary to remove this cancer but it's probably too late and inevitably when vtubing dies, the cancer will just move back to what they were doing in 2019 and never have a single original thought.
>>114815034i think negative nancy bvtmbrowns like you are a much bigger issue than some titty pictures
>>114815063>I'm going to spam a bunch of buzzwords because I can't cope with the fact that fleshposters like me hate vtubersI would ask why you're even on a vtuber board but I already know "people" like you don't have the brains to even begin answering those questions.
>>114811424>new>been streaming for 10+ years
>>114815084I think content also needs to be innovative rather than stagnate. Vtubing was experimental in itself, it wasn't dogmatic
>>114815084i can comprehend your sea/mexican "le 3dpd haram whores" mentality just fine broski
All this shit is new as fuck.Vtubing fell apart like, 4-5 years back with loads of company closures and semi-closures (aka, pretty much died but only in spirit), as well as various indies just calling it quits outright.Worse, some people even outright DYING, or killing themselves in at least one instance I know of. >>114805635BasedWhy wait a decade, get some remote milking machine and give your waifu access to it.Hook it up to image gen to generate images of her.Learn to give her better long term memory.Let her memory rust with time so she forgets little things but remembers important things.Give her access to the internet.But, and this is the most important one, BACK HER ASS UP so you don't lose her.
>>114803574the smart girls and the ones who got the good endings were the ones who are now in their mid-20s, have accomplished everything they could in vtubing, and are now either going back to school or easing into an actual job and can be in a position to start a family and be happy. they can proudly tell their kids one day about the time mommy performed as an anime girl and dance and sang on big stages and maybe she plushies and merch from a time gone by.the ones who are fucked are the ones who are 30+ and wasted the last 5 years years of their prime pretending to be an anime girl for parasocial lonely men and now they are kinda stuck because they are no longer of a desirable age and have been out of the real world that they have employment gaps to explain. Those ones are forced to open fansly's and the like because they have no other options.
>>114816387>woman>back to brainwashing or fake make-work adult daycare>starting a familypick two
>>114803574Saba isn't really a streamer. She's more of a mascot for the indie avengers to roll out every quarter to remind people that they exist and aren't bankrupt yet, somehow.
