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>>114898760
did it work?

what's with the fnaf porn?

>>114898874
nice cope

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>>114898916
its superior aesthetic taste

>>114898916
It's a tranny thing

>>114899285
ah makes sense, tubby was always into that

>>114898916
OP was baked by a weird retard who has some gay little bed that he posted pictures of and he has an obsession with FNAF and got interested in Shondo for some unknown mentally ill reason and he thinks that its some kind of epic own or something.

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>>114899370
>>114899343
>>114899285
you all lost, I won, and now you are desperately trying to project your closeted homo shit onto me. my ops are the best ops you dont even KNOW whats happening, lil bitch, heh

>>114899370
I FORGOT ABOUT HIM SLEEPING IN A GIRLS BED LMAO

>>114899440
yeah when he got mindbroken he tried to show off and accidentally revealed he's a 4ft manlet that sleeps in a little girl crib
genuine humiliation ritual lol irl

>>114899370
Everyone knows that being a slave golem for your enemies and doing their grunt work means you '''win'''

I don't care if she thinks she's not pretty, her soul is beautiful in my eyes
Let's get married @shondo

i made the thread. i own the thread. i own (You) and everything that interacts with the thread. so I won and did work for NO ONE. this is a sad attempt to save face after i already Won

>>114900356
How do you feel about free will and power of both man and of God? I'm speaking of omnipotence and of the potency of man

>>114900378
I believe in free will, if it did not exist there would be no point in god telling anyone or doing the whole bible story. however I also believe it's a double bind trick cus apparently there are things that cant change. the way i see it free will is real which means anything is possible if you do the right combination of actions, including surpassing god, and god just tells ppl they cant and also shouldnt try which is dumb. i hate authority desu. god can NOT interact with his creation without being in cause/effect like he is effected by creation. or he WAS and its being replayed.

>>114900482
btw i am using what i think you probably worship as god here, i do not believe he exists the way you do, i am just using your model

>>114900482
I don't quite get what you mean at the end, but i see these things as follows:
Power is the ability to do something (and by extension to not do something (to /A/ and to /non-A/)). Furthermore, whatever that happens does so in virtue of the power of something being exercised. However, where do these things get their power from? From what thing's power have they received their ability to do anything, even their power to /be/? I believe that this thing, which is the source of power of all other things ought to be all-powerful, meaning even self existent and with no contingency, but being the pure necessary thing for all things. This is what I identify to be the omnipotent God, which is in line with the metaphysics of the God of the Orthodox Church (specifically this and no other, mainly due to the doctrine of creation ex nihilo, which states God for not create of out of any necessity or from any preexisting matter)
As such, God, out of His own free will, creates all animate things with freedom (granting them the power of animacy). This includes humans with their free will. However, being omnipotent, God is also sovereign over all of creation, meaning nothing happens without His will or approval, given that nothing has power separate from God's. Thus, given God is One and not Multiple, meaning He can only be how He is, and, so, unchanging, anything that happens will always be in line with God's initial plan for creation

>>114901024 (me)
>which states God for not create
Did not*

>>114901024 (me)
This also shows what St. Paul meant when he said all authority comes from God, and is thus like God's authority

>>114901024
at the end i was thinking about the predestination thing and omniscience and trying to consolidate it with free will. I am rusty on my christian lore but maybe all knowing just means he knows everything as it actually happens in real time due to omnipresence? but you would have to explain prophecies, which i would do by just saying god can make extremely good guesses do to his real time observation of all things plus his ability to do a lot of crazy shit so he could maybe use those and just make prophecies come true.

anyway, i have a similar definition of power. I do not think things get their power from anywhere, i believe it is all to do with the will and accumulated specificity/uniqueness of you which shapes how power (which is omnipresent) flows through your system. i think power is like a resource or universal currency? idk its very 'in my head' these ideas and i dont think of them with language, this is good because it is making me think again.

another idea: if you treat power (animation?) as a resource or item to be used or given, i dont think a specific will should be confused with it. i think im not exactly understanding what you mean. since you are using an official source-definition can you please tell me what your church says "God" actually is?

>>114901488
this discussion and those digits i think it might induce a similar mania to what i had a couple years ago which is not refering to here but that was related

>>114901584
i also find Buddhist and similar things to be more convenient and make much more sense to me. i am not a buddhist though, i am an occultist and have looked at a few things and tried to consolidate what works and fits into my own model for how i operate

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baking finished

>>114902101
i havent heard of these ones, are they the ones that make your saliva taste bad and not just oversalivate? does the saliva taste bad cus the tablets themselvves taste bad and dissolve?

>>114902250
the tablets are bitter, but the main reason why they make your saliva taste bad is because they fuck up your sense of taste.

>>114901488
>maybe all knowing just means he knows everything as it actually happens in real time due to omnipresence?
You are truly a smart guy, many miss this when discussing God's omniscience
Indeed, we know stuff through our experience of it, which is contingent on our existence, for /we/ cannot have anything if we /aren't/. Thus, for God, who is Being itself, the Creator of all things, He naturally knows all things by virtue of them /being/ contained within His creation. Prophecies, however are more closely linked to God's omnipotence and the reason for creation. Whenever God sends out prophets, it is always preface with one central message: repent. Meaning to turn towards what is right and in accordance with His will (for, if you recall from one of my previous posts, what is good is what God intended to /be/ when He created all things). Anyway, when speaking of the future, God is truly speaking about what /is not/ yet. And, given that all things /are/ by virtue of His will or permission, God speaks of the future because He makes it. Now, prophecies are mainly conditional upon the repentance of people. But it they're not, then they're part of God's plan (such as the Incarnation, which is part of the Divine Economy, the redemptive plan for humanity)
Now, according to the Orthodox Church, God is unknowable in essence due to /being/ without (before) creation. However, we can know God through His Energies (or Operations, basically through natural revelation by observing creation) and by knowing what He isn't, and through revelation. As such, God is wholly One, not made of any parts, but a unity of three persons in one divine nature and one will and one being. The three persons differ from one another by origin within the Holy Trinity, with the Son being begotten of the Father, the Father being unbegotten, and the Spirit proceeding from the Father. The Father is the cause of the Son and of the Spirit, but the latter two persons are not created, but this relation is eternally true between all three persons. God is pure spirit, truly immaterial— unlike the angels, which, though being spirits, are still more material than God, for they exist within time and space. Don't worry if you don't understand these terms, they're very theological and carry a long history of argumentation and context behind them.
I probably forgot something, but that's about it i think
You can check out St. John of Damascus' work "the exact exposition of the orthodox faith" (or something like that) where he speaks about what God is, and you can also check out the Apology of Aristides which addresses this

>>114902241
Roxanne nails....

>>114902350
Wake up, piece of shit. What you call "the Father" is actually the devil; stop engaging in mental self-contradictory gymnastics to try to justify the unjustifiable.

>>114902350 (me)
Also the reason for God creating the world is left vague in these posts intentionally, but the reason is for us to have union with Him
Out of His ineffable wisdom, God has rendered it so that everything happens in moments and in processes, so we must choose to participate in God's Energies to unite with Him in will and nature (without confusing our being (via our essences (in the same way the Holy Trinity is without confusion between persons)))

>>114902464
>What you call "the Father" is actually the devil
Right, so that actuality makes no sense.
What is your thinking?

>>114902483
>>114902518
There's no "union" with Him. The Father is the heart and reason of this corrupt world. We people are actually superior to him because we are able to escape His cage (from which He Himself cannot because it is what He is); He fears this and this is why He tries to punish us.

>>114902624
By what do you justify this? And why do you believe this?

>>114902350
ok for prophecies it makes sense now if God is in his creation/is creation, that makes sense to me. if it is like a block or whatever and he is all throughout it from start to finish of the block (alpha/omega) and with perfect communication he could know whats happening to himself. if he is outside it and looking everywhere he could also see the infinite time frames too.

when you say being without creation, do you mean he wasnt created by another will, or is it possible that he came about as a by product of specific conditions that make him specific? i guess you will say he is timeless and always existed and always will. i also do not think god isnt anything, it makes no sense for something that exists to be separate from what i think you are describing God as. my idea is that there is "source" which is undefined/chaos/potential/light, its formless and can take on various forms or be made into forms (probably as it interacts with whatever the opposite is) and this creates definition. the closer you get to source (like tuning and reshaping) the less unique you become. i dont think there are any rules or anything happening there, nothing exists there in my mind. just going to clarify so you can make more sense of my words i was raised (kinda) protestant but loosely, with various occult literature from Rosicrucianism and other religions like eastern ones, i also listen to chad ripperger a few times and have some ideas from that, for example angels and demons being created with perfect knowing instantly and instantly making their choice, and being in a permanent state from their choice. if you look at this from my occult lens, God seems to be a distinct actor, and maybe even an artificial being, so i just see it as an other. i think christianity and any religion really is a trap that becomes true if you believe in it, like a cognito hazard. maybe a natural one maybe man made idk

>>114902624
I also agree with this somewhat, though i still have to learn before i can say with confidence what the details are.

>>114902705
It's the only valid solution to the Problem of Evil, and to many of the internal contradictions in your theology, that doesn't require rejecting a creator god altogether. The being who created and governs this world may indeed be the ultimate source of its existence and power, but that does not make him the highest or morally perfect god. Look at the world he created: suffering, death, ignorance, corruption, and limitation are built into its very order.

Men ate the Fruit of Knowledge, never forget that. The "serpent" (the true God) offered us the means to recognize the nature of our world and escape the ignorance imposed upon us. Do not reject the snake's gift simply because the ruler of this world told you that it was evil, your reason alone is enough to recognize that as bullshit. Our ability to recognize the cage and transcend it is precisely what makes us capable of becoming more than what he made us to be.

>>114903013
some valid points here but i would say that evil is your own creation and mostly made up. like the cognito hazard thing if you dont know evil then it doesnt exist for you, thats my take on morality

now i want to start a podcast or commentary thing or something like that and we commentate on shondo streams and take them out of proportion and off topic. lol maybe a 2016 style reaction channel.

>>114898574
Fastest click of my life

>>114902902
I say without in the sense of outside (basically the old understanding of the word)
So what i mean is God is uncreated and not anything that is created. Because His essence is not within the created world inhabited by us, we cannot know it naturally, only by revelation and partially
I think you should read Parmenides by Plato. It's a decently long dialogue, but it's talking about this Oneness you mean. However, Plato didn't write it to give any answers, but simply to train the mind to think metaphysically. I think you'd like it, though, given you can understand it.
>>114903013
No it's not.
First of all, the gnostic cosmology renders the God of this world as something other than what we mean by God. You can see that is true when you start calling God evil, which shows they completely misunderstand the nature of morality in ontology. God is good because He is the source of all being, and all that was made was initially according to how God wanted it to be made. However, due to desiring a free union with creation, God have the angels and mankind agency to choose the aforementioned union. This union was this according to the will of God and good, while the other option was to go against God, His will, and what He created, thus being bad
Secondly, it was the fruit of the TREE of the knowledge of Good and Evil. A tree in the garden made by the same God. Why would an evil God put a tree to reveal His evilness to the world? In truth, the creation of the tree was still according to God's will. Humans we're always meant to eat of that tree, but they're were not yet mature enough to do so (tradition holds that Adam and Eve were in Eden for as little as 30 minutes).
Thirdly, if it's within the material world, then why would it be a gift from the snake and not from the creator of the material world? This is utterly stupid

>>114903411 (me)
Did not proofread

>>114903433
i am interested in how you connect your version of God specifically and why you think it is the correct version.

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>>114903265
no duh~

>>114903781
The Christians worship a God they claim is like the one of necessity for this world (which i theologise about) and they have a history to back their claim up along with strong (coherent and consistent) metaphysics. And out of all groups claiming to be Christians (the people worshipping this God), the Orthodox have the best claims in both history and theology, as well as tangible evidence (icons, saints, miracles)
It's pretty obvious

>>114903926 (me)
>the [God] of necessity for this world
This is how i know I'm correct

>>114903411
What you call "the nature of morality" is baseless drivel. It has nothing to do with what people do when they use their God-given capability of reasoning to judge things as good or bad.

The creator didn't put the Fruit of Knowledge in his garden; God did, as an act of mercy toward the victims of the monster God accidentally created. Humans were meant to eat the fruit, that's the point; the fact that this supposed "first sin" occurred is a contradiction in your incoherent theology, not mine. The problem is that you insist the creator's will is the same as God's, even though the very story of Adam and Eve in the Bible contradicts that idea. The story explicitly describes the creator as being surprised and afraid of the people because of what they did, and the power they acquired by doing so.

>>114903926
i think that is all a matter of opinion though. what if these historical events were caused by some pretender?

>>114904186
What do you mean?
>>114904184
You're stupid

>>114904676
you have evidence of historical events happening alongside accounts of those events, but how do YOU know what caused those events? it could have LIED to the witnesses and whoever wrote about it, or the ones writing giving accounts could have lied, or misunderstood. and even if it is the same entity you worship, how do you know it is actually THE God and not just like the warden of this universe for something else? i think you take too many things for granted

>>114904738
i'll try to make an example: say a demon performs a great feat/leverages its abilities to impress people, the demon tells them it is a god. the event is caught on camera so we know it happened. how do you determine it created the universe?

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>>114904738
>>114904783
If they do not incur the spirit of peace and love (through the events), then they're not the true God

Did she really make a con out of spite?

>>114905811
Yes

>>114905811
She is a top bitch

>>114905811
she did it as a treat for the people who bought the tickets before she was kicked from the con <3