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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*>https://playboard.co/en/>http://ikioi-ranking.com/>https://vrabi.net/>https://vtubertracker.info/en>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking>https://vstats.jp/Hololive sites>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html>https://trackholo.live/en/>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/>https://holo-tracker.vercel.app/>https://www.holostats.com/>https://charts.vtaac.workers.dev/>https://logs.holofun.net/Twitch>https://sullygnome.com/>https://twitchtracker.com/>https://stats.roki.sh/>https://streamscharts.com
>>114935606Is her design based on Mega Charizard X?
just how big is that anal plug?
Actually the berylfag is the Kiara anti spread the word around we can't let Clara ever come back she will doom vtubing with her wokeness, kill her!
Kiara is not here bro.
>>114935754she's right tho
>>114935713its based on Selen, coco and goob
Wawa is okay with KFP gooning to Furries
>>114936091Women Furries not FAGGOT Furries
>>114935713Kinda, just because Charizard is also based on Salamanders
>>114935606She will surpass Biboo
>>114935606I want to squeeze her fat tail.
>>114935606>exposed legsnice
this one
This one.
>>114935606Looking at their designs aloneSalamander > Goat > Alien > Cop
>>114938256The only two suspects so far are a hafu married hag MtG pro/caster/ex-WotC employee for Kyoko and Kakapo (Raden's science friend) for Sopia
glad that people is taking a liking into the Salamander girl, her mask looks cool
>>114938417It's just going to be a Chloe 2.0 situation anon.That mask is coming off day 1.
>>114938318haha get firefox'd
[Extremely Worrying News]Hololive fans threaten to kill little children in real life because of Ui's collaboration.Will Yagoo make a statement?
give me the slow rundown
wtf gay
>>114938318>Perro chinoI laughed
>>114938540CC posed with her min height tiny lalafell being domineered by a max height hulking roegadyn and you are calling it gay?
>>114938413>MtG pro/caster/ex-WotC employee for KyokoWhat the fuck would be a person like this doing on Hololive as a VTuber
>>114938601instagran is for gays
>>114938604have fun without having to think about it? like 1/4 of holos are like that
>>114938540For some reason Ceci became Ultra Gay (TM) after getting into Japan this timeThat shit was repressed
>>114938519how could camilo caicedo do this
>>114938413>marriedsurely not
is it true that otomos are just seething that gg mogged their oshi
>>114938680she's on the older side and burgerland so marrying is normal
>>114938709this is gg mogging cc btw
>>114938727It's funny how the two possible identities for Kyoko are Married American Hag and Korean 19 year oldCovering the entire spectrum
Ya know, for being talked about as a paradise for holo fans, the tower mostly doesn't talk much about ongoing streams unless they're collabs or big events. They mostly hornypost or just treat the thread like a discord and chat with each other casually. There isn't anything going on there at all.
>number of JP speaking gens since 2023>3(5 including Mekpark)>number or EN speaking gens since 2023>1Oof. HoloEN is actually dead. Good riddance
https://x.com/evildoerblkd/status/2100810248785154455
>>114938413So the one who's "supposed to be Clara" is a known Japanese ex-MTG pro player?
>>114938798Nice, what gay flag is that tho?
>>114938745>>114938745Ya know, for being talked about as a paradise for number fans, /#/ mostly doesn't talk much about numbers unless they're collabs or big events. They mostly KEKpost or just treat the thread like TVA and talk about general vtuber drama with each other casually. There isn't anything going on there at all.
>>114938763I'm happy with how much management has been pushing EN lately, so honestly if it had been 0 since 2023 we'd probably be in even better shape
>>114938745That was kinda like that here, people didn't livepost every mundane stream in the main thread.
*SEPTEMBER 18TH 2026 FINAL EN TALLY*>13,054: Calliope (Hololive Myth)>6,568: Cecilia (Hololive Justice)>6,299: Calliope (Hololive Myth)HOLOLIVE-ONLY TALLY COUNTER: 9CCC. Gold for Mori Calliope's playthrough of Crash Bash alongside Fuwawa, Gigi and Biboo, Silver for Cecilia Immergreen's guerrilla zatsu stream, Bronze for Mori Calliope's playthrough of Bananagrams alongside Nerissa>RANKING PER POINTS (Gold = 3, Silver = 2, Bronze = 1)Calliope = 24pBijou = 15pIna'nis = 11pFUWAMOCO = 9pKronii = 7p[Gigi, Cecilia] = 6pBaelz = 5pRaora = 4pNimi = 3pKiara, IRyS = 2pClio, Kaelix = 1p
even more vexpo drama, sounds like a disasterokay so on top of:>not having an akasupa line for entry despite it being mentioned>having to hunt down where my akasupa goodies are>queueing for 4 Entire Hours to get inwe also have been informed there wasn't an akasupa line or any reserved seating for the opening concert!
>>114938827poland
>>114938827carpetmuncher colors
>>114938840SEP 2026 EN GOLD9/1 - Baelz - Spaghet: 9,7559/2 - Bijou - Mortal Shell 2: 8,0639/3 - Kronii - Pragmata: 7,4139/4 - Ina'nis - Big Walk: 6,0569/5 - Gigi - Spaghet: 12,5649/6 - Calliope - Karaoke plus Announcements: 18,7149/7 - Calliope - HoloNext Watchalong: 11,6999/8 - Bijou - Onimusha Way of the Sword: 9,0829/9 - FUWAMOCO - Spaghet: 9,7489/10 - FUWAMOCO - Self Booth Karaoke: 13,7519/11 - Ina'nis - Drawing Collab: 11,9879/12 - Bijou - Outfit Reveal: 18,3009/13 - FUWAMOCO - Hiatus Announcement: 26,2819/14 - Ina'nis - Outfit Reveal: 20,1879/15 - Calliope - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time: 8,4029/16 - Raora - Justice Jams: 9,5959/17 - No talent qualified for the tally this day.9/18 - Calliope - Crash Bash: 13,054PER COMPANY17x: Hololive English1x: N/AHOLOLIVE ENGLISH FINISHED IT'S STREAK AT 23 GOLDS IN A ROW.PERFECT 15-0.HOLOLIVE ENGLISH WINS THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.PER UNIT6x: Hololive Advent6x: Hololive Myth2x: Hololive Promise2x: Hololive JusticePER STREAMER4x: Calliope3x: [FUWAMOCO, Bijou], Ina'nis1x: Kronii, Baelz, Gigi, RaoraFOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE MARCH 2023, SIX DIFFERENT PEOPLE WON THE FIRST SIX GOLDS, THIS TIME, HOWEVER, ALL GOLDS BELONG TO HOLOLIVE ENGLISH.THIRD TIME IN EN TALLY HISTORY IN WHICH THERE IS A ZERO ENTRY TALLY.
I love Anya but I feel her banner kn Holodori will be a flop.
>>114938876SEP 2026 EN SILVER9/1 - IRyS - Hololive Dreams: 6,6199/2 - Calliope - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time: 6,0499/3 - Bijou - Mortal Shell 2: 6,0779/4 - Kronii - Big Walk: 6,0569/5 - Calliope - Castlevania Symphony of the Night: 9,0709/6 - Baelz - Yakuza 7: 8,8189/7 - Bijou - Onimusha The Way of the Sword: 9,1919/8 - Calliope - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time: 7,5869/9 - Cecilia - Setup: 6,3829/10 - Ina'nis - Zatsu: 7,6859/11 - Cecilia - Unarchived Karaoke: 10,1689/12 - Calliope - Learning English: 17,7529/13 - Calliope - Anniversary Stream: 17,9289/14 - Gigi - Trails in the Sky: 8,2379/15 - Only one talent qualified for the tally this day9/16 - Kiara - Sleepiversary: 7,0239/17 - No talent qualified for the tally this day9/18 - Cecilia - Guerrilla Zatsu: 6,568PER COMPANY16x: Hololive English2x: N/APER UNIT7x: Hololive Myth4x: Hololive Justice3x: Hololive Promise2x: Hololive AdventPER STREAMER5x: Calliope3x: Cecilia2x: Bijou1x: [Kronii, IRyS, Baelz], Kiara, Ina'nis, Gigi
>>114938938SEP 2026 EN BRONZE9/1 - Nimi - Big Ambitions: 5,8839/2 - Kronii - Hollow Knight Silksong: 5,7869/3 - Calliope - Elden Ring: 5,3449/4 - Only two talents qualified for the tally this day 9/5 - Bijou - Puzzle plus Announcements: 7,7369/6 - Clio - Fire Emblem Three Houses: 7,3149/7 - Nimi - Darkest Dungeon: 6,8169/8 - Nimi - Abiotic Factor: 6,2909/9 - Bijou - Onimusha Way of the Sword: 6,1579/10 - Gigi - Bombana: 5,8229/11 - Ina'nis - Black Balloon Market: 6,8089/12 - Kaelix - Unarchived Karaoke: 6,3349/13 - Raora - Undertale: 6,4239/14 - Kronii - How to Fish: 8,0559/15 - Only one talent qualified for the tally this day 9/16 - Ina'nis - Bombanana: 6,6439/17 - No talent qualified for the tally this day9/18 - Calliope - Bananagrams: 6,299PER COMPANY10x: Hololive English3x: Indie2x: N/A1x: Phase Connect1x: Nijisanji EnglishPER STREAMER3x: Nimi2x: Bijou, Kronii, Ina'nis, Calliope1x: Gigi, Raora, Clio, Kaelix
>>114938828Theres politics and homo stream posting too is that not what you want?
>>114938973It's been six days since anyone other than Hololive got into the EN tally.Like nevermind winning a medal, just getting 5k. It's been six days.
>>114938413Is there some rm account for Kyoko? because there are for the gook and Raden's nepo.
Her melty renewed the determination of her faithful botters at least
1M DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iWKB-Tq8aAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iWKB-Tq8aAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iWKB-Tq8aA
>>114938738Some wwe kino right there
>>114939041>1 million HoloDream song after the algo changeTHEY'RE CHEAAAAAAAAAAAAATING
>>114938842What's an "akasupa goodies"? It's a 100$ merch?
>>114939041What happened to Mori's Holodori OG song?
Achichi becomes the second Asobi talent to break 60k
>>114939041the event and banner sucked, but at least we got ASMR bau baus
Kiara...
>>114939070Got reinstated, it's back online again
>>114939053Now it's first Holodori song with 1M views>>114939070Ask RetardinoLawyerI don't know, they haven't said anything about it
DIVEGRASSJUMPSCARE>Divegrass?YES. This afternoon we are continuing in the /vt/ League 11, playing against /holoX/, after having won our firsts match 3-2 to /saga/Come support us!>WHERE?https://om3tcw.com/r/vtleaguehttps://om3tcw.com/r/vtleaguehttps://om3tcw.com/r/vtleague>WHEN?NOW>Helpful linkshttps://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vt/_League_11https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//numbers/
>>114939035Nah, more like her melty being a nothingburger has left her antis with the sole option of returning to botting to generate bait.
>>114939060higher tier ticket that came with some merch goodie bag or somethingAlso I just heard Nerissa's singer sing at Vexpo and Rissa doesn't have anything to worry about when it comes to audience thinking her sister's singing surpasses hers. That was a very rough set.
>>114939096 (me)NVM it's backhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKN2Rr5LktEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKN2Rr5LktEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKN2Rr5LktE
>>114939081the goat is the GOAT
>>114939117>higher tier ticket that came with some merch goodie bag or somethingNow that you mention it, it makes sensethe organization doesn't seem very good.
>>114939152how long until their subs get chopped down to < 10k?
>>114939041BAURYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>114939152Now you remember that the biggest expectations back in JP times for Myth were either for Ina or Kiara to be #1, Ina because of her model and Kiara because she was this giga weeb
>>114939060It was supposed to be a vip style ticket with a separate pick up and lines but they basically didn't plan for any of that so people that paid extra to skip lines still had to wait for 5 hours to get in
>>114939244People should request a refund for the extra amount they paid
>>114939213none of those posts have Kiara anywhere near #1. One of them has her dead last
>>114935606The mask stays on during sex.
>>114935606JP OP, good thread in perspective.
>>114938443yeah probably, i hope she doesnt tho
>>114939035Gee I wonder why the person who keeps botting her uses the most obvious shitbots ever and does it in a way that doesn't benefit her in any way
So what's up with MekPark?
>>114939298How can she suck dick with a nose that big?
>>114939372Mira is cute
MOSTINFLUENTIALTHREAD/#/ 1-0 /holoX/
>>114939041Really good song, one of the few event songs that I didn't come to resent a little over time
>>114939035she was raided by Raora all numbers are legit
>>114938840Not a single niji, phase, homo, or indie shitter in sight. You love to see it.
This thing asks if you want a blowie what do you do?
>>114939372Hinami goodLyla goodMira goodNeon goodNot sure about the rest
Iofi detected! BRANDING RISK! Branding risk! Abort, Soppi, Abort! https://x.com/sorashina_sopia/status/2101003678228652526
>>114939451>1-0oof
>>114939599too late. based on her numbers so far she's already infected with terminal runtitis
ASOBI MAWARITAI SUBS UPDATEAPPROX 6AM IN JAPAN, 19th SEPUNIT CHANNEL: 69.7K KYOKO: 59.4KMELA: 60.4KTSUZURI: 63KSOPIA: 58.2K
eww
>>114939117that's surprising honestlyin karaokes she was always decent at leastperhaps some nerves taking over
WHEN HOLOLIVE ENGLISH DIESWHEN HOLOLIVE ENGLISH DIESWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYWE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTYYYYYYYYYYYWHEN HOLOLIVE ENGLISH DIES
DORYAAAAA
>>114939573beg her to let me drink her piss
>>114939652IT'S SO OVER!>HoloX scores>1-1
numbers on the PVs and teasers on the main channelalmost 1M in 17 hours on the unit PV
>>114939645>>114939117Professional voice acting is not equal to professional singing, Aradia's tone would be better for a radio host
>>114939690IT'S EVEN MORE OVER!>HoloX scoresHoloX 2 - 1 /#/
>>114939632100k today for half of them
>>114939692>>114939632Individual Channel PV video numbers:Tsuzuri 296KMela 228KKyoko 219KSopia 58KSopia still culled it seems? Or not unculled enough to catch up
>>114939692curious to know how many ads Cover are putting out for the debuts
>>114939632pretty great overall, tho i wonder how will the gaps between them look like once they debut
>>114939716wait there's a holox thread on vt?
>>114939692DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
it took four hours but the duplicate threads are gone
>>114939743Used to have
>>114939755GO MINDCHAIR!
>>114939783KOYO SCORES!>HoloX 3 - 1 /#/RIGGED!
>>114939728>Sopia 58KWtf poor girl
>>114939836yeah something has gone wrong, she tripped up some kind of cull
>>114939806And now they're molesting Koyori ....
>>114939728yeah her video got search banned for some reasonhopefully Cover is trying to rectify it but only so much you can do with Jeet Squad at the helm at Youtube
I don't think this semen slurping game is for me!
>DIVEGRASS ALERTUnfortunately, PES decided that none of our shots would go in today, such is the nature of the coin flipWe lose 3-1 but still, with our previous win, are sitting more than comfrtably for advancement.Next week we play /hfz/!
>>114939916Next week when?
Good match, /#/! I enjoyed watching our different players have retard moments. The clock going over so long was also hilarious.
>>114939932Soon
>>114938745>treat the thread like a discord and chat with each other casuallyno difference from /here/ desu
>>114939948What the fuck was Mindchair thinking, the clock running and that Neymar-tier ball hogging at the cross line, which would make sense if it were 3-1 FOR us but not against
>>114938413Mela was the first one foundhttps://m.youtube.com/@ninete_enhttps://m.twitch.tv/ninete_en/homehttps://x.com/ninete_enhttps://www.tiktok.com/@ninete_en19?_t=8gT7dCYRxfW&_r=1
gg!
>>114939746can we make it to six?
>>114940042Personally, I only really saw the slip as being a "what the fuck" moment. That goal was borderline free. I guess he just forgot his glasses.
>Kakapo has a PhD from Kyoto University where she used to be a researcher in physics, STS, and informatics >also has a high school math teaching license and speaks a bit of EnglishFinally, a real genius who surpasses Fauna and Ina is coming.
>search bannedKEKAROO
>OH NO NO NO NO NO NO SUBATOMOS!(that being the actual name ...)YOUR OSHI IS A HOMEWRECKER!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAbeRg_Wmso
>>114940075six threads?
>>114940138AIEEEEEEE! But in all seriousness, a masterpiece rrat slaying segment. Sasuga delicious cat!
>>114940268Just like my NTR comics
PSA: Don't ever order your packages on Holoshop from ECMS, they WILL lose your package by having it sit in the warehouse for up to a month. I lmay have lost my Fuwamoco merch thanks to them. Just pay the full price at DHL
>>114940311What happens here?
Yuy is starting to get flooded with "superbits", a new youtube feature apparently that creates a giant emote spam taking over chat. I doubt they're being counted by playboard or Hololyzer yet, one of them was $250
>>114940347WAO!
>>114940347Yuy just realized the emotes are AI generated and started getting mad
>>114940347Chinese
don't care about your ligwhore, buy an ad
>>114940347Seems to be a Youtube Mobile thing, and the first 50 bits are free
>>114940067And what is the source, besides potentially same mama?
>Hundreds of people attended Shondo's unofficial gathering
>>114940577Hundreds of people yet not a single photo of the event
>>114940558>graduated 6 months ago, >same mama>completely nuked socials>had a tiktok on Nineteen and opened a tiktok already on Mela>botb able to speak English to some degree
>>114940577Hundreds might be a little bit of a stretch
>>114940621Everyone here looks like a pedo.
>>114940621Bro they couldnt even dim the lights for her? Thats wild
>>114940621That girl has quite a thick neck
>>114940618Not enough proof for me honestly, but I guess as more info gets revealed we'll see if it matches
cute
>>114940621Strange looking room to do this in. Looks like its supposed to be a powerpoint presentation.
>>114940654>girl
>>114940642kind of depressing..
>>114940621>>114940642>hundreds
https://x.com/LordGoogy/status/2101053992134738316
>>114940676
>>114940642He ain't Mclovin' it
Regloss wonnered advent lostered
Give me Clara or give me death!
hololive lobsterednijisanji livered
>Two days since the announcement>Only two predictionsIs there not a single chattino that can draw out there?
>>114940812stop feasting you fat fucks
>greenland-bros...
>>114940896Be patient, they're busy jacking it to Raora's reference sheet
>>114940642that guy forgot his shoulders what the hell
>>114940642bring up some chat screenshots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8C5gTVa2YEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8C5gTVa2YEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8C5gTVa2YEfinally a good stream
>>114938745That's because Hololive is fucking shit these days and because they're a moderated community who isn't allowed to talk about real issues it just devolves into them all jerking each other off
>>114940642nice hairline
>>114941009Real issues like what
>>114940642So which con have the highest amount of melanin, phasecon or shoncon?
>>114937060based
>>114941009Watch asmongold or phase if you want to react to "real issue" then.
>>114941032>Hololive is fucking shit these days
>>114940876Delicious!
>>114941118Why would someone go to a Hololive fan forum to say "Hololive is fucking shit these days"?
>>114940621empty chairs...i guess her breaking up with chat really did numbers on her audience
>>114941132You really don't understand fans if you're asking that question
>>114940151no, six hours
>>114940642whitest vtuber fanbase i've ever seen
>>114941132An anti with nothing better to do than throw shit into the thread and see what sticks, just to piss people off
>>114941082>Watch asmongoldalready did but then realized i dont live in the us
This game Yuy is playing is completely insane. It's like Chilla's Art on crack. Someone in Holo needs to play this.
>>114941166I understand it completely hence the question which I'll put forward again>Why would someone go to a Hololive fan forum to say "Hololive is fucking shit these days"?If I ever considered any source of entertainment to be "fucking shit these days" I would likely just stop watching it, then finding a new source of entertaining that is not "fucking shit".The last thing I would ever do would be to go to a fan forum of said source of entertainment to vent about it.
>>114941132fans are such strange creatures
>>114941208>If I ever considered any source of entertainment to be "fucking shit these days" I would likely just stop watching ityou don't understand fans
>>114941200
>>114941222AIEEEEEEEEEEE, NUKE IT NUKE IT NOOOWW
>>114941221more like schizos or modern retards
>>114941268do you know what the word 'fan' is short for
>>114941221I think I do and I'm pretty sure what I am saying makes complete sense. The normal reaction for a person, fan or whatnot, is to enjoy the things they enjoy and to avoid the things. they don't enjoy,There is a reason people that come to this place to vent is called a schizo, it is because their head is clearly not working at normal range for human beings
>>114941288fans aren't normal peoplethey're deeply investedso if it becomes something they don't like they complain about it
What are the odds that Botan will also announce a sololive during her birthday live?
>>114939948>>114939916>>114939806Based, nice seeing some # unity
>>114941221I was a fan of Chelsea FC, then my favorite players retired over a decade or so, I stopped watching futbol overall as I grew older.
>>114941306Everyone is getting one now so it's likely especially since she said it was multiple announcements.
>>114941283yeah fanatic, that's what people use for people who are fanatics not fans, this is a case of the short version of a word having a different meaning than the word it came from
>>114941283Other than "fanatic"? I don't see why that's relevant, it's a curiosity to the same level of "terrific" being a literal synonym for "frightening" despite the current having nothing to do with it.>>114941305Anon, I undestand that that's what you believe "fans" to be but that's definitely not the typical behaviour for fans in general and, not the typical behaviour for HOLOLIVE fans in particular.Hololive catered to an extreme conflict avoidant audience, the biggest draw for Hololive is the fact it is an inherent escapist hobby, a neutral cozy disconnected place where one can just tune out and watch cute anime girls talk softly, play vidya and frolic with each other.Maybe you are confusing Hololive with more drama prone agencies like Phase Connect or Nijisanji, but I can assure you: members of the Holo audience that for any reason get turned off by the content they're getting will just pack up and leave for other hobbies, they won't turn into "anti.fans"
>Homos branch is decimated>Everyone gets a sololive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GipvoUjD7sM
>>114941378>not the typical behaviour for HOLOLIVE fans in particular.Hololive has a large amount of obsessive fans, that's what their brand is built on. These are the people who buy merch and superchatYou're right about the conflict avoidance, but that's not healthy behaviour, you just create your own delusional little world where you play pretend all day, that's Holotower>members of the Holo audience that for any reason get turned off by the content they're getting will just pack up and leave for other hobbies, they won't turn into "anti.fans"hahahha yeah there's no Hololive antis
>>114941428
>3 days later>still no 100k subsgrim
>>114941472You pretend that Hololive antis are jealous people from other communities, most of them are scorned fans, that's why they care in the first place
>>114941428>Hololive has a large amount of obsessive fans, that's what their brand is built on. These are the people who buy merch and superchatTrue>You're right about the conflict avoidanceThanks for understanding it. Your opinion on whether or not it is "healthy" is nothing but your opinion tho, and has zero to do with what you and I are talking about>yeah there's no Hololive antisThere are LOTS of Hololive antis., that's not what's being discussed here. My point is that there are very few "former Hololive fans turned antis", the absolute great majority of Holo antis are either fans of other agencies or general vtuber haters that latch on the most successful an popular vtuber agency of all times.Answering my own question posted at >>114941132Question>Why would someone go to a Hololive fan forum to say "Hololive is fucking shit these days"?Answer>Because they hate Hololive and never liked Hololive ever even onceThat is, run of the mill regular ass antis.
>>114940896In fairness the more serious artists wouldn't rush their fan art for updoots and wouldn't release anything until closer to the actual outfit reveal.>>114941132The core issue with heavy moderation on a Hololive forum is if you want a corporate echo chamber defending management than you might as well stay on Reddit.
>>114941507>My point is that there are very few "former Hololive fans turned antis", the absolute great majority of Holo antis are either fans of other agencies or general vtuber haters that latch on the most successful an popular vtuber agency of all times.This is complete cope, you have to say this to maintain your illusion that conflict avoidance actually works and that sweeping problems under the rug has no repercussions
>YOU NEED TO READ MY KEKPOST OR YOURE REDDITstay mad
>>114941487You would like to believe that but reality shows otherwise. There is a reason an "early life check" exists for antis and almost without a single miss it always return Nijis for the JP antis and Phase for the EN ones>>114941514>The core issue with heavy moderation on a Hololive forumThe core issue, if I could summarise, would be>there is no barrier of entry to create a Hololive forum>likewise, there is no barrier of entry to moderate your own Hololive forum the way you see fitand, also>there is no mandatory enrolment in any Hololive forumAll in all that means "the market forces" will dominate and people will flock to the place they prefer.If people prefer tower that can only mean they are doing the right thing for their audience.
>>114941200Nerissa would love it
>>114941572>reality shows otherwiseno it doesn't
>>114941544You can believe what you want. Like mentioned here at >>114941572, every "early life check" done on Holo antis unavoidably returns Nijis in JP and Phase in the west.It's even a running gag to perform said checks
>>114941544I truly fail to see your point, you want towa to let people shit up a fan site because? You can just express your feelings about holo on twitter and your opinion will be read by more people than a fansite
>here is some cope that explains why my cuck posts are important to hololive fans
>>114941585There's a logical fallacy here in that you think someone who watches Phase can't be a former Holo fanMakes sense if you liked a corpo you'd go watch another corpo
>>114941582You and I will agree to disagree them. If we can't agree on even basic observation, things pretty much everyone can see, then there is no common point to be had and this conversation ceases to be worth my time.
>>114941612What I said at >>114941616 goes for you too. If we can't agree on even basic observation, something so obvious it was posted time and time and time again this ceases to be worth my time because it becomes two retards fighting: the movie.
>>114941632I'm not disagreeing with your observation
>>114941612>j-just cause i post about my based chubbas like pippa and jelly while shitpost against hololive doesn't make me anti saar
>>114941640With the most basic of them, yes you are. Phase Connect audience (like VShojo audience) is very "self selected" in the sense they favor a much more "unhinged" style of vtubing and their biggest criticism towards Hololive it is that it is excessively sanitised.Their audience (for as small as it is) is completely self selected, what interests them in general is what Hololive DELIBERATELY does not provide and vice versa, what Hololive provides is not what interests them.There will be some overlap because of the behemoth size of Hololive. It is very hard for anyone in the western English speaking world that onboarded vtubing before 2022 not to have onboarded the hobby through Hololive. But that's not what anon at >>114941487 is talking about, the implication is that (>>114941428) "people who buy merch and superchat", (>>114941487) "most of them are scorned fans" and that's patently false.The great majority of Holo antis (at least in the western world) comes from the "too cool for school" fanbases of Phase Connect and, formerly, of VShojo too >to the moon?except the later died unceremoniously and the former, combined, might pool to about the size of HoloID in viewership and revenue (if much).
>>114941725I'm the last guy to cast aspersions but ... is that a tuck?
>>114941722Again you're wrong, most Phase Connect fans I've met liked Holo or even still like it to some degree, they're defintely familiar with HololiveThey're more similar than you think
>>114941761>we're just like you saar
>>114941761That might even be true but the topic of the conversation is not "typical Phase fans" but "Holo antis and their provenance" and, again, it's almost an "early life check" exercise, it almost always them and even niji sisters are under represented there, they stopped caring when NijiEN died on their feet
>a phasefag pretending to not be a phasefag defending phasefagsslow day huh
>>114941785Yeah I'm not disagreeing with that, you're just assuming that if they're a Phase fan that means they can't have been a Holo fans which is just wrong
>>114941792>you're just assuming that if they're a Phase fan that means they can't have been a Holo fans which is just wrongThe self selecting effect there is strong, as mentioned at >>114941722. I can see Phase fans that onboarded the hobby during Mythmania or early Hope-Council (with even Pippa herself being one of those who onboarded at that era) but the current "modern audience" for Phase?The ones that are vocally Holo antis are definitely not "scorned Holo fans".
>>114941792Nigga, the number of phase fans watching phase, only decreases.
>>114941844>The ones that are vocally Holo antis are definitely not "scorned Holo fans".How do you know?I'm one of the biggest Holo complainers on this board and that's because I'm a former Hololive fan
>please stop noticing patterns saar>we're just like you saar>we're important to your community saar>please let us in saarthey really cant help themselves can they
Marfans bros, we won
>>114941940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFncU6pnI9U
>>114941864This post is so female coded I'll bail out of the conversation because it is just the meme in pic related. Thanks for entertaining but neither of us have anything else to add, between you and I we turned this thread 50% dumber for the day
>>114941894Promise wins again
>>114942000I wasn't exaggerating, I mean a lot of the posts complaining about Hololive are specifically from me, I represent a sizable percentage of themAnd again you can't really address your logical fallacy where you pretend Phase fans can't also be Holo fans, you just went back to "well they aren't because I say so"Nearly every Phase fan I've met is familiar with Holo
>>114942011Advent and Justice cannot compete
>>114942067holo vs holomoggged outside holo vtuberholo wonners again no rivals
>>114942040No one cares what a phase fan thinks. Their box doesnt amount to 10k even.
>>114942097I'm not saying they do
>>114942040You might represent a sizeable percentage of the posts but not a sizeable percentage of the Holo antis. By definition, unless you subscribe to the idea of each voice in your head counting, you are one (1) person.And I'm not pretending "Phase fans can't also be Holo fans", I am saying that among the most vocal Holo antis, every single time an "early life check" was done a Phase fan was surfaced and definitely not an Holo fan in the sense of (>>114941428) "people who buy merch and superchat".Most don't even buy merch and superchat their own Phase oshis, let alone having done so with Holo.Your "one person" anecdote is just this pic >>114942000, it's too dumb, let's not dwell on it anymore. Just say the last word and let's go back to the thread being dead
>>114942067WTF, since when IRyS is this "endowed"?
>>114938413>>114940067Is that all we have so far? Where's our usual rm sleuths and 5ch stalkers?
>>114942115>You might represent a sizeable percentage of the postsThat's what matters when we're talking about the content of imageboards yeah>and definitely not an Holo fan in the sense of (>>114941428 (You)) "people who buy merch and superchat".How do you know?
>>114942000So does that mean you have the stats?
>I'm one of the biggest Holo complainers on this board>I'm a former Hololive fanAnons willingly choosing to be a schizo when you could have just moved on. I stopped playing WoW and ffxiv long ago I don't still hang around the threads on /vg/ just to shitpost. Same for anime when I temporarily stopped watching for a few years.
>>114942134much to her despair, since debut
So Phase bros and Holobros now that Clara is finally coming to Hololive, she will definitely be a hit with the EN fanbase and her former Phase fanbase. And she's about to be the best singer in EN. How are we feeling about EN's savior finally coming to rescue the dead english speaking sphere of Holo?
>>114938745That was always true for global. Unless you're one of the thread darlings your specific stream might not get much discussion there especially if you're ID and they don't even have the option to post in /hlg/ or individual splits. Sometimes I'll even see more discussion of Nerissa's solo streams in this thread than in global although if Nerissa is brought up in this thread it's to shit on her. /ope/ is still the best place to discuss her streams, as shit as that thread is.
>>114942143>That's what matters when we're talking about the content of imageboards yeahI don't really think that's a a point of pride, but I don't really believe you are any remarkable unless, of course, you are the Selenfag.But your style seems to be more of the "fagoo" complainer, the one to whom everything is "soulless". If so, the only thing special about you is the fact you are stuck with Holo fans and condemned to witness their happiness, the success of their oshis and the absurd heights Hololive get while your pitiful naysaying and attempts to demoralise get mostly ignored.You should try doubling you effort, maybe people will notice.
>>114942156>Anons willingly choosing to be a schizo when you could have just moved on.I don't watch Hololive anymore, I just complain about itIt's no skin off my back
>>114942156Yeah this, will never get how schizos minds work. I was heavy into RS and WoW and Halo, all that shit pretty much had its peak for me and I moved on. These niggas however sit here and pester other anons that still like the thing, lonely fags.
>>114942159>debutI was there 3000 years ago she cannot run from the past
>>114942208I'd say around 20% of the posts complaining about Holo in this thread are from me and no I'm not anyone you mentioned, I don't have any schizo tells because I'm not actually a schizo I just like complaining>condemned to witness their happinessHololive fans are not happy, the best you could do is complacent
>>114942179>How are we feeling about EN's savior finally coming to rescue the dead english speaking sphere of Holo?It's about time, she would have saved the branch if it was still a thing. I'm worried that Mori Hogan will try to bury her, but if she sticks with the JP crowd maybe get into Miko's clique she will be protected and should do well.
>>114942241Your just lonely, subsisting on yous.
>>114942241>20% of the posts complaining about Holo in this threadThat's grim considering how many of the other posts I can think about are made by obvious samefags and spammersYou should reconsider how much time you spend in this threadI don't watch vtubers much these days but I come around about once a day to keep up on news and am much happier now
>>114942241BASED COMPLAINERI FUCKING LOVE COMPLAINING TOO
>>114942287I've done many things since Hololive started sucking, but something keeps pulling me back
>>114942212there is skin off your back, your brain is so bricked by hololive that you waste time of your day on something you hate
>>114942241Anon, they're not only happy but the heights their oshis are reaching would be unimaginable even in 2022. Every fully sold out sololive, for instance, is providing likely the best moment of the youth of thousands of Holo fans of each of the girls.Even in the smallest things, the day to day streams, there is a reason for the size of their audiences and their absolute and, most importantly, relative popularity (in relation to the rest of the industry) and that's because the audience is clearly enjoying it.That's a strange hobby of yours, the "complaining part" but given that people didn't even notice despite your alleged "20% rate" means you are talking and not being heard.With that said, the topic that initiated this little discussion, Towa kicking people like you out on sight if they get too uppity, maybe your little "tell all" is proving them correct?I don't think you believe your complaining adds value to any place so maybe they're correct to corner you around here with the rest of us lost souls denied a place in paradise
>>114942287At the very least the retard is schizoing out here instead of somewhere like twitter
https://files.catbox.moe/5u6ie2.mp4
>>114942347>the heights their oshis are reaching would be unimaginable even in 2022.Hololive is not reaching new heights, the EN side in particular is on a fairly noticable decline I mean they just fucking axed the EN branch>Every fully sold out sololive, for instance, is providing likely the best moment of the youth of thousands of Holo fansThis is the gayest thing I've ever heard. Your oshi selling out a concert means nothing to you. It's not happening to you, it's happening to someone else. You gained nothing except watching someone else succeed, which isn't a lot. If that's the best moment of your youth, please get a real life> the day to day streamsday to day streams? that's not the Hololive I know>given that people didn't even notice despite your alleged "20% rate"I don't use a name you idiot why would they
>come home late at night>see kronii on your couchwhat do?
>>114942414Nta but What are your top three complaints about Hololive?
Nimi piss
>>114942414>the EN side in particular is on a fairly noticable declineIRyS and Bae have sololives this year. That would have been impossible before EN management stopped wasting money and time on debuts
>>114942466IRyS and Bae were already on a trajectory towards a sololive before this year and would have gotten one with or without new EN debuts. I mean Bae has the most successful orisong in all of Hololive this year.
>>114942446tell her to scoot over so I can watch Nimi on the tv
>>114942446
>>114942493The very fact you think Youtube views matter for sololives tells me you have very little understanding of just how hard it was for them to get one
>>114942414>Your oshi selling out a concert means nothing to you.Anon, why are you talking from the perspective of the people that aren't going to the sololive?And yes, going with friends (or even alone) to the best day of your favourite artist is a youth defining moment, there is a reason Woodstock one-shot boomers and a reason Taylor's Eras tour will be in the memory of Taylor fans when they're old and grey.And that's for regular artists. For the Holo audience the "social contract" between oshi and audience is that the later will do everything to help for former to achieve their objects, while the former will do everything in her power to grow and rise to the occasion and give back to the audience.That's basic "idol 101", I shouldn't have to explain this to you and to explain why even a fan that watched online would be elated to see their oshi to reach a high point in her career.Maybe you were right all the way back, it seems Hololive is really not for you and Phase is more of your speed if that's how you see things.>I don't use a name you idiot why would theyI'm not following you. You boast about a "20% rate" of all complaints in this board and also boast about "nobody even noticing"?Am I missing something here?It's deep in the night here, don't let me get in the way of your complaining. Good night, have a nice day of complaints into the void, I'll be over here enjoying the great moments my oshi and Hololive are providing me
>>114942448If I want to narrow it down I guess it's just two, they mishandled the EN branch and the culture they created is kind of fake and it's blowing up in their face>>114942466So? Why bring up this small point and ignore everything else that happened?
>>114942535What else has happened? I bring up specific, tangible reasons EN is better than it has been since 2022. Where are yours otherwise?
>>114942528I didn't say that, or else I would have said that Kiara deserved a sololive because of her MV views.None of that is tied to debuts in any way. You see the bottom rung of JPs getting sololives even though JP has not stopped debuts.
>>114942522
>>114942466It was always possible to give EN Sololives, Cover was just too retarded and had no confident in them so they gave everything to Mori and left the rest of EN hanging
>>114942534>And yes, going with friends (or even alone) to the best day of your favourite artist is a youth defining momentOk but that's got nothing to do with it selling out, and you're unlikely to have a youth-defining experience from a vtuber concert, it's not Woodstock>Am I missing something here?Yes I was just saying it to illustrate a point I'm not bragging
can you believe tower bans this high value individual and their top tier posts that contribute to this wonderful thread
>>114940676they are
>>114942556JP hasn't had a debut since 2021>>114942572And as always it's Mori seethe in the end, don't bother pretending you care about EN
>>114942550>What else has happened?They got rid of the EN branch? lmaoLosing some of their best members, long droughts of no new hires, a lot of the people they do hire kind of suck ass, EN is in terrible shape
>>114940642>>114941186>kills her unicorns>suddenly there's only white men in her fanbaseHmmmmmm
>>114942592Are we pretending Dev_is is not JP? Come on, they already gave up on that larp even before the merge.
>>114942597>>kills her unicornsshondo doesnt have a boyfriend
Mori...
>>114942573>Ok but that's got nothing to do with it selling out,Anon, the "sold out part" is both to boast>this is the numbers thread after alland to highlight the fact it means THOUSANDS of people enjoying that experience, in person.>Yes I was just saying it to illustrate a point I'm not braggingLooks like a point of pride, could have fooled me. I might be wrong but people don't generally go "yeah, and by volume I'm 20% of the complaining voices in a certain niche corner of the internet, I like it" if they're not feeling really good about their life choices.Sounds a little schizo to me, I have to tell you.
>>114942607DEV_IS were not billed to the JP branch at the time of debuts
Streaming nowYuyMintEssieNimi
>>114942608lmao
>>114942609WHEN I SAY "FWMC" YOU SAY "KNEEL"?
>>114942592>Mori seethe in the end, don't bother pretending you care about ENthat's like someone saying: "I'm tired of seeing Roman Reigns in the main event all the time, I want some one else"and you saying: "you just hate WWE!"
>>114942615You're applying this disgusting fake saccharine coat of paint to everything Hololive does, that's really the problem with the remaining Hololive fans, you're copersA vtuber concert is probably not going to be a life-defining experience for someone, because vtuber concerts really aren't that meaningful
>>114942660He's right thoughbeit. Roman Reigns is WWE and Mori is HoloEN. They may be forced but they are the only true main eventers left.
>>114942660Which EN member should have had a sololive before 2026? Be specific
>>114942608try to even watch stream holoboy
>>114942684I would unironically give one to FWMC but that's me and I'm not impartial hehBut in all seriousness, it's a crime IRyS debuted as an "EN AZKi" (when that meant VSinger and not geoguesser master and unrepentant succubus) and, instead of fast tracking her 3D and giving her a sololive as fast as Mori got hers, they let her wither and die
>>114942718Talents are given sololive based on their popularity not their status
>>114942737Holostars got concert next year
>>114942703so the manager has showed the homos his penis? and this is not problematic?
>>114942679>this disgusting fake saccharine coat of paint to everything Hololive doesI liked this conversation more when you were pretending to be a distant and dispassionate "former Hololive fan", now you're just sounding salty.
>>114942765where the fuck did I pretend to be dispassionate? Of course I care otherwise I wouldn't be complaining
>>114942745>concert>it's this shit again
>>114942745Anon, around these parts we call something that doesn't charge a ticket and don't have a physical venue a "3D live".Or, in the case of the EN homos>an (unintended) physical comedy show
>>114942684Bae and Irys should have gotten their Solos in 2025, in 2026 Fwmc and Nerissa should have gotten theirs and Autofister would have gotten theirs in 2027
>>114942681>Roman Reigns is WWEonly because they won't give anyone else a chance also Roman couldn't help sellout Wrestlemaniaor Summerslam he's not a real draw.
>>114942774>Of course I careThe (>>114942212) "It's no skin off my back" could have fooled me.In any case it's still salty when reality is: people that stuck with their oshis during the worst moments are now getting rewarded and very much so and the first ones getting rewarded are paving the way for the ones that come after them.I was around in the GRIM era and I look back and look at where the girls are now and the general improvement all around is undeniable.
>>114942679Try to reconcile these two points>Hololive is the biggest company in the world with average six times bigger than it's competitor>Hololive fans look at everything as an ideal fantasy, the Idol Journey Why is Point 1 a thing? Why is Hololive, specially English, hilariously more popular than the rest?
>>114942851> Why is Hololive, specially English, hilariously more popular than the rest?Pero charisma?
>>114942847I do not feel negative emotion from complaining about HololiveI'm not sitting here seething about it>people that stuck with their oshis during the worst moments are now getting rewardedwith what? no streams and the dissolution of the EN branch? dude you're pathetic>>114942851I don't understand what you're asking
>>114942834No one would have sold out either of those shows because HHH can't book and is ruining the product with his shitty storylines that go nowhere with zero payoff after fucking around in a holding pattern for months
>1AM PST>4AM EST>5PM JSTWho is kronii streaming for at that time?
>>114942886>I'm not sitting here seething about itWith sentences like>this disgusting fake saccharine coat of paint to everything Hololive does>you're copers>where the fuck did I pretend to be dispassionate>dude you're pathetic" if you are not here "seething about it" it surely looks like a very similar substitute for the real thing. Could have fooled me or anyone for that matter.
>>114942679>vtuber concerts really aren't that meaningfulThis kind of attitude is how your industry fails. ENshit failed because they were unable to establish their own culture and just mimicked what JP was doing without any real vision behind it.EN was supposed to focus exclusively on streaming with L2D, with the exception of IRyS. But when you kept demanding 3D and inclusion in HoloFes, you completely screwed up their original plan. Now they have an overcosted branch with much less revenue potential. If they had stuck to the L2D model, you’d have over 20 members by now.
>>114942930Notice they're directed at you and not at Hololive
>>114942897Truth be told, it's not "Roman Reign" that is WWE, it was Vince McMahon.You might want to deny it but deep down in your heart you know that's the truth
>>114942939>EN was supposed to focus exclusively on streaming with L2Dno it wasn't
>>114942897you're right, and if the stories aren't interesting at the very least you could try putting new people in the main event spotlight to at least get some interest from the public in that way
>>114942684Kiara
I go to work and miss 2 full threads and then some, when it is usually just 1 the entire day. Who is melting down?
>arguing with a phasecuck
>>114942950Nah, there is a particular one that tells otherwise, the combination between>this disgusting fake saccharine coat of paint to everything Hololive doesand>and the culture they created is kind of fakewhich, self admittedly, is one of your complaints about Hololive.There was a little bit of seethe that seeped through your "no skin off my back" mask there, wasn't there? Admit at least to that much.It looked like seething in any case
>>114943009I don't feel mad at Hololive for creating this fake culture, it's just blowing up in their face because they can't mantain something fake forever
>>114942961It definitely was lmao. The original plan was to give it only to a select few. That’s how they came up with Project: HOPE in the first place, with a talent who lived in Japan.
>>114942955He had his faults but his heart was always in the right place.
>>114942955>it was Vince McMahon.Vince sucked at WWE, the reason they had to sell to TKO in the first place is because he fucked it up.
>>114942991"Former Holo fan" turned Phase fan that likes to complain about Hololive is seething about Hololive for no apparent reason and disclosed to be 20% of the complaints about Hololive in this board by volume.That catches you up to the thread so far, people are interviewing him and one anon is poking him with a stick trying to get him to do something
>>114943033>The original plan was to give it only to a select fewNo it wasn't
So is any HoloEN gonna stream tonight or is it just a Nimi gold by default?So fucking glad Yagoo decided to pull support for future ENs when none of them fucking stream. Great job, faggot.
>>114943058>turned Phase fanI never said this> 20% of the complaints about Hololive in this boardthread, not board
>>114943028>I don't feel mad at Hololive for creating this fake cultureYou sound mad and, worse, like >>114942000, saying "I'm not mad" while being clearly mad is also terribly female coded.
>>114942535What do you mean by fake culture?
>>114943058I actually stopped replying when he didn't answer why it was necessary that they let people voice their dislike of hololive in a fan site. Dude just wants to argue
>>114943082>You sound madYou don't know what a mad person sounds like
>>114943064Maybe the reason why he pulled the plug IS because all of them inevitably stop streaming. Ever think of that?
>>114943088>when he didn't answer why it was necessary that they let people voice their dislike of hololive in a fan siteHealthy communities and healthy discussion requires honesty, positivity and negativityWhen you just pretend everything negative doesn't exist you have an unhealthy community
I'm curious why you guys are here instead of Tower
>>114943064>HoloENwhat's that?
>>114943107There is nothing negative to say about Hololive
>>114943086Hololive culture is to make everything seem more special and meaningful than it really isThere's some geniune and good things in vtubing and Hololive, but Hololive just adds this extra layer on top which is appealing to people but ultimately unreal. A lot of it is inherited from japanese idol culture
>>114943059You’re just avoiding the fact that you fucked up the branch by forcing the issue. It’s the same thing you’re trying to do with anime.
>>114943064If it's true that the reason for the merger is for them to not bother with more English girls anymore, then Nimi really is gonna turn out to be the biggest winner from this.A new English unit would have massacred her.
>>114943125It's too big. They should really divide it into multiple branches.
>>114943065>thread, not boardEh, that makes ie a whole lot less impressive. This thread might run 1000 posts every 12 hours or so if nothing else is happening, and out of those half are mindless spam, and two third of the remainder are people taking bait leaving some 170 posts that aren't that drive.Even if half of that were complaints (and they're not) and 20% were yours, it would be about 18 posts per thread complaining about something? There is a reason nobody ever noticed, it's not really noticeable.If it gives you some relaxation in lieu of watching streams and having fun, go for it! It doesn't have any effect outside of that, completely inert.>>114943093>You don't know what a mad person sounds likeI know when one is trying to hide it at very least. It's the smallest tells. Yours is when people mention the massive success Hololive is enjoying, the impossible heights the girls are reaching and how much the audience is elated by their condition in relation, for instance, to the grim days of late 2021, 2022 and early 2023.Instead of the "too cool for school" facade you slip and get agitated.
>>114943064Nimi is just smart and saw shitshows like these coming from a mile away.
>>114943107you got twitter, you are allowed to say whatever you want there, let private communities policy themselves, if they die, they die.
>>114943167Is that why she is barely scraping 6k
>>114942535>the culture they created is kind of fakeit wasn't a fake culture that culture simply left with Gura Ame Moom and Fauna.The issue was HoloEN didn't debut enough gens when they needed to, they needed another Gura or Fauna/Moom level EN member who could hold it down after the grad wave, but they never found such a member so the branch died
>>114943064>Bro just one more debut gen bro just one more debut gen and we will finally all consistently stream foreverChadgoo doesn't negotiate with terrorists
>>114943126>Hololive culture is to make everything seem more special and meaningful than it really isAgreed! And that's a good thing, I suppose, pretty much the reason Holoive is at the top.This matches what I mentioned at >>114941722>Phase Connect audience (like VShojo audience) is very "self selected" in the sense they favor a much more "unhinged" style of vtubing and their biggest criticism towards Hololive it is that it is excessively sanitised.Seems like I hit a bullseye here
>>114943162>Eh, that makes ie a whole lot less impressiveI'm not trying to brag I already told you>Yours is when people mention the massive success Hololive is enjoying, the impossible heights the girls are reaching and how much the audience is elated by their conditionIt's hilarious how you're trying to play armchair psychologist and then you post a gem like thisThis is complete projection, this is what you WANT to be true, when the reality is the EN side of Hololive is indisputibly in the fucking shitter
>>114942389I don't know why but I thought seashell would be like a light blue color
>>114943162>and out of those half are mindless spam, and two third of the remainder are people taking bait leaving some 170 posts that aren't that drive.Do you consider your posts to be the last one?
>>114943169Obviously they cna do whatever gay shit they want I'm just saying it's an unhealthy community>>114943198>Agreed! And that's a good thingIt's not, because it's fake
>>114943064You lost ENshart
>>114943086
>>114943197Kek thisPeople have been saying a new EN gen will fix dead hours since fucking Myth and it never happens.Yagoo isn't dumb he can see the same thing we all see
>>114943211>when the reality is the EN side of Hololive is indisputibly in the fucking shitterSee what I mean? The visceral response to the (correct) statement about "the massive success Hololive is enjoying,". You don't swear a lot, only when you get agitated and the surefire way is to highlight how high Hololive, the girls and their audience are flying right now.You can always prove me wrong, just disclose what period of Hololive you were a fan and why do you think that was an improvement over what exists now.
>>114943211in the shitter compared to what? JP? The birthplace of vtubers in which hololive gets numbers to rival most normalfag fleshie streamers? That's the only way to claim they are "in the shitter". There's no comparison with any other english speaking vtuber org or indie in terms of reach/merch/numbers/turnout
https://x.com/NijikaMyWaifu/status/2101085058904027539
>>114943267>You don't swear a lotI swear constantly, I don't do it because I'm angryStop trying to psychologically profile me, you're bad at it> just disclose what period of Hololive you were a fan I was a fan from 2019, started watching JP, then went to EN, stopped watching after the graduations
>>114943276This is some guy with a big cock jerking off
Is there a reason why Sopia got cucked by the algo? I'm kinda curious. Is it something specific or just the jewtube magic?
There’s no market for 50 dancing anime idols in the US, and everybody and their mom knows it. Five might be viable, but trying to sustain 50 is a speedrun to bankruptcy.
>>114943270You don't need to compare them to anything to say they're in the shitter
>>114943290wdym? they're all around the same
>>114943304if you claim that then you gotta back it up, argue your point, in which way they are "in the shitter"? Because saying shit and not explaining your ideas won't make anyone consider your points
>>114943064Problem? :^)
>>114943349Why are you pretending this subject hasn't been discussed to death already in the past few months, you all know the reasons
>>114943316This is beyond grim
>>114943221>Do you consider your posts to be the last one?Not really, I would say the "people taking bait">>114943224>It's not, because it's fakeIt's quite amusing that anyone in their right mind would complain about content creators that>DELIBERATELY operate under an assumed name and backstory>under a simulated animesque avatar>disclosing as little as possible about their IRL selves >inventing grandiose backstories to match their general themeare fake.It's not supposed to be real, there are real content creators already for the audience that wants to see their "true self" and, guess what>they don't get that either>>114943284>I was a fan from 2019, started watching JP, then went to EN, stopped watching after the graduationsLMAO, I had figured that out. We're getting to the punchline, just say it, you did it before in this thread.What did Hololive do in 2019 that was so captivating to you that they ceased to do in recent times? What makes them fake now and genuine back then? You know the answer, you talked about it before in this thread.
The person who made that ship poll last week is still seething on twitter about some people's comments about the poll on a random clipper's video.How insecure does one have to be?
Ironmouse at 20kShe's asleep and people are throwing hundreds of dollars at her.
>>114943304You = in the shitter, them = living life on easy mode playing video games, streaming to tens of thousands.
>>114943316Anyone replies to their senpai in holostars?
>>114943367if by discussing to death you mean having schizos scream it for several hours straight then yes, otherwise I don't see you making sense
>>114943365Not at allYou wonCover is too incompetent to do anything about indie whores anymore and would rather bleed their current talent outEnjoy ruling over the ashes
Jesus CC has like a million guesses alreadyand Raora has like three lmao, not sure what's up with that
>>114943380>Not really, I would say the "people taking bait"Have you tried Tower?
>>114943394WAO!>>114943396The surviving ones, you surely mean
https://x.com/SkylinesSunset/status/2101094217682661887
>>114943419I don't take bait there. There is very little of it to go around. It's a little bit of "wife - mistress" situation, people that multi track drift tend to be in their best behaviour there
>>114943380There's different kinds of fake, obviously they're using a fake avatar but we all know that's fake, the issue is when you fake things that people think are geniune>What did Hololive do in 2019 that was so captivating to you that they ceased to do in recent times? What makes them fake now and genuine back then?You're making a bunch of wrong assumptions hereThey didn't suddenly become more fake. They were always fake, it's just that fakeness blows up in their faces as time goes on. When they make a vtuber's presence in Hololive or their connection with their fans feel so meaningful, then they up and graduate or stop streamiing and make endless excuses, it pops the bubble
>>114943404If you think any criticism of Hololive is "schizo" then there's no point in answering is there
>>114943316Why are the designs so different from older gens? Holo usually uses solid colors right?
>>114943440oh hell yeah CC's cuck artist friend stepping up
I don't need a new gen anyways, I just need the girls that are already here to stream.
In the end nothing ever matters
>>114943469there's real criticism, management keeps fucking up with simple stuff like the reveal and having to make an interview with yagoo that didn't explain shit. But my issue is that you are not elaborating your point so that I can consider your whole idea which leads to people making assumptions. So please type down your opinion and criticism otherwise we are both wasting time here
>>114943316I have a feeling that Sophia is a hafu DOA
>>114943539How about the real criticism of them shutting down EN because they don't want to debut English girls anymore?
careful! holoen and holoid coming through!
>>114943406Your mistake was thinking that cover gives a fuck about indies at all, especially EN indies. Then letting the EN Holos promote Mint so much is proof they don't care about leeches. They are irrelevant.
>>114943413CC, GG, and ERB are all pretty LGBT+ coded while Raora is straight
>>114943577as if gigi will ever collab 1-on-1 with a jp memberlmao
>>114943561Shutting down would be firing all of the girls, not removing two letters from YT channels.
>>114943577yikes
>>114943539HoloEN lost a bunch of popular talents (probably not their fault)Then they don't really hire anyone new, and many of the new ones they do hire are shit, and instead of trying to fix things and make a better HoloEN they just fold the branch into the main one
>>114943365I wish Nimi wasn't a unicorn killer. I can't watch a married woman.
>>114943602They're not firing all the girls, they're just not debuting new ones.
>>114943601That's Clara. She's EN.
>>114943454You didn't answer the question. You talked about what you enjoyed on Hololive back then and what changed that made you like it less now before.I'm too lazy and it's too late for me to go archive dive and the conversation is ... enjoyable so I would much rather if you just disclosed it.I'll ask again:>What did Hololive do in 2019 that was so captivating to you that they ceased to do in recent times?Which girls, what did they do, what they stop doing?It can't really be an EN thing, they didn't exist in 2019. Explain at length what you mean by "ke, it's just that fakeness blows up in their faces as time goes on. When they make a vtuber's presence in Hololive or their connection with their fans feel so meaningful, then they up and graduate or stop streamiing and make endless excuses".This sounds eerily specific and it can't be the usual examples because Ayame (for instance) is the opposite of that, she makes her every presence meaningful, same with Choco, same with Marine.Laplus? Can't be, she's 2021. Who anon, who?>When they make a vtuber's presence in Hololive or their connection with their fans feel so meaningful, then they up and graduate or stop streamiing and make endless excuses, it pops the bubbleI can give you that and it is something that dissatisfies me as well with some of the girls. The difference, I would say, is that I focus my energy at the girls that I like and that do what I want and just sidestep and ignore the ones that behave like this.I don't like Ollie, I don't dislike Ollie. Ollie just does nothing for me and as she doesn't really interact with the girls I watch I won't waste a lot of time complaining about Ollie.I make a carveout here: I'm an unashamed homo anti. I went from indifferent to considering them so detrimental to the company as a whole I can do nothing but root for their demise and try to help the best I can.
>>114943629who the fuck is clara
>>114943628I guess you don't watch holo JP then
>>114943593And I hate this recent push that only LGBTQ people can be creative.
>>114943649Are you having fun pretending to act clueless?
>>114943647Beryl. It's a running gag for anon to imply she's getting into Hololive, going all the way back to Advent (that I remember) or Myth (as some anon said)
>>114943628K? You just sit here perpetually hoping new ones after new ones show up? Thats the enjoyment you get out of this whole thing?
>>114943669>Suddenly we don't care about EN5 anymore>Huh, EN5? Whoever wanted that?Cover's cock must taste delicious to youIt's been 2 fucking years, nigga. WE'RE GETTING NO STREAMS TODAY
>>114943668>Berylthat doesnt really help me but alright ig, so its some sort of begging? figures
>>114943561I would argue back that you are assuming that based on the limited information we have. I'm still on the fence about the whole "everyone's hololive now" until I see the impact on the girls>>114943607You got a point, I wouldn't classify justice as a whole as "shit" because when they stream at their timeslot they help fill death hours like early NA prime time and JP midnight to early euro hours with CC. I believe justice reclaimed a lot of fans from other non holo vtubers (the quality of these new fans sometimes is not the best that's not the point). And like I said before I will wait at least a year to see the effects of the merge before commenting on that because imo we know pretty much nothing of the real effects yet
The only EN stream today disregarding guerillas
>>114943635>You talked about what you enjoyed on Hololive back then and what changed that made you like it less now before.The members I liked either got sick of streaming or graduated, that's allI don't know what else you want me to explain
>>114943064will you watch her and tell me if cc or gg are online
>>114943744>TwitchBeyond parody
>>114943702I dont care about your faggotry nigga, I only watch Biboo and only ever will, new girls or not. Whats your complaint? If you want streams, they are there from someone every day.
>>114943702The best time to debut four or five new EN girls was a year after Justice. The second time would be yesterday. On that you and I agree.But I'll make a split here, if twelve girls can't find in themselves to have at least a couple stream 8PM NY time it's not the inclusion of four more girls that will solve the issue.There are two issues here: EN 5 should already have debuted, I agree. The existing girls being AWOL is something else.
>>114943713>I believe justice reclaimed a lot of fans from other non holo vtubersI don't. Justice isn't good enough for that. Justice isn't even enough to keep current Hololive fans engaged, it's life support at best
>>114943744for a second or two I thought it was kiara on the thumbnail
>>114943744>>114943756>>114943759I don't know why you guys are so mad at Yagoo. I look at shit like this and it makes sense to me to turn off the EN faucet. EN = Lazy Whores.
Just watch indies you autists
will be very funny if she is who you guys say she is, right?
>>114943744Why the fuck is she streaming this slop on twitch? At least her streaming her ERP garbage on twitch made sense, because her butt buddy groupies were there. But this is a single player game. Just stream it on Youtube like the rest of hololive.
>>114943791she actually looks like an irish
That explains why Nightbreak was removed from the Holodori channel (it's back on both channel)
Matsuri got them seething
>>114943789I make sure to click do not recommend on any that pop up on my tl.
>>114943833is that the topic version? if yes then its for youtube music alongside spotify and I guess apple stuff too
>>114943704It's not even "begging" it's more like trying to throw a smallpox blanket across the wall of the walled garden. Same with ky0resu back in the days.>>114943749>The members I liked either got sick of streaming or graduated, that's allI'm not following because that doesn't particularly narrow it down. Coco debuted in late 2019, could be her (and she's the opposite of "fake") but I doubt, kson still exists.You're seething in this thread since at very least early 2022, maybe late 2021 so it can't be Kanata.I'll say it's gen 2 with AquShion having graduated, Choco and Ayame having got sick of streaming. I watch Choco whenever I can and Ayame whenever she deigns us with her presence>unless its a Haaton but she's still alive and haaton are crazy but not retarded Why would you not disclose whoever you're talking about? People will likely agree with you on whoever
EN died because they avoided competition. When your strategy from the early days, around Council, is to keep streams sparse and have everyone share the same audience, you’re basically setting yourself up for stagnation.
>>114943004Oof, Phasefag are disgusting
>>114942204I discuss her streams both in /ope/ and here. What i post where depends on whether i think something is important only for Jailbirds or whether it is important to all
>>114943891Why the fuck are you talking about JP members? I'm talking about the EN membersIrys was my favourite, she is checked out and coasting, I also watched Gura Fauna and Mumei and obviously they're all gone
>>114943919>Sololive next month>Checked out and coastingok
>>114943380>I was a fan from 2019I've noticed that a lot of Phasecuck love to say thatLike this one for exemple
>>114943919I wish mumei hadn't left. I felt like her journey was cut short. What did IRyS used to do to make you say she's checked out? I'm an advent baby so I got no idea what she was like before if she did change
>>114943957Those things aren't contradictoryIrys treats this as a job, her fan connection is basically non-existent, all her biggest fans are schizo stalkers
kronii having the time of her life with these japan arcsshe goes, live with ccgg to witness their lesbian sex slice of life and then she gets to have sex with raora
>>114943860It's on her "release" section but maybe it's the samehttps://www.youtube.com/@MoriCalliope/releases
>>114943973>I felt like her journey was cut shortI don'tShe clearly didn't want to do this, her graduation was a year in the making, she wanted to be a normie>What did IRyS used to do to make you say she's checked out?In her first 2-3 years or so it felt more like she geniunely enjoyed streaming and spending time with her fans and now it's more like a job to her and her life is being lived elsewhere (good for her I guess because she seemed lonely but not good for her fans)
>>114943919Why aren't you watching Nimi right now and don't say LLD because if you have been for so long you were here for both the 2021 and 2023 doxx.
total holo death
>>114942241You live a sad and bitter life, anon.
>>114944013I don't respect her for getting married to Randon and her fanbase are a bunch of creepy weirdos now
>>114943919>I'm talking about the EN membersThe fact you mentioned (>>114943284)>I was a fan from 2019, started watching JP, then went to EN, stopped watching after the graduationsand the whole "fake" thing and the whole (>>114943126) "japanese idol culture" gave me the impression you were talking from the perspective of a disaffected hololive fan in general. What was even your entry point and how did you move to EN one year down the line?In any case, IRyS is not my favourite so I won't pretend to understand your objection here but wasn't IRyS debuted literally to be "EN AZKi" and have a musical focus?I watched her debut and first few streams including her early minecraft streams and people were confused because nobody expected her to play vidya at all, back then people expected her to be like AZKi and show up once in a while in a collab to shill her concerts and albums.I can understand why IRyS would priorize her "song and dance" duties now that she FINALLY can do what she was hired to do.She can't possibly have been your oshi and when she started wanting to sing and dance more to get her sololive you bailed, that's not it is it?Also Gura, Fauna and Mumei: if those are the dealbreakers for you you should have followed them into their next lives instead of staying back moping about what has been and what is not anymore.
>>114943316Her upload got a fraction of the others. Unnaturally so.
>>114943789
>>114944010How are such a fucking falseflagging shitter that you don't even bother to read everything that happened inside Project HopeYou tell ANY 'crat that IRyS enjoyed streaming more during 1.0 and they'll beat your ass 100% justified
>>114942446Take her to my basement so she can join Kaela
he is in!
>>114944026
>>114944040Why are you asking me these stupid questions? I started watching Hololive when it blew up in 2019 like everyone else did, then I moved to EN when they came about because obviously I speak English and not Japanese>She can't possibly have been your oshi She was>when she started wanting to sing and dance more to get her sololive you bailedI bailed because she was speaking Japanese half the time and gave the impression she really didn't care much, that was 2 years ago>if those are the dealbreakers for you you should have followed them into their next lives instead of staying back moping about what has been and what is not anymWho says I can't do both?
>>114942608lol
>>114944052to be fair nobody gives a fuck about irys
>>114944052Read everything that happened? What does that mean? I know what happened, I was there
Idk man I think i'm gonna skip the myth 3dthere's just so much stink around Holo at the moment it feels wrong celebrating something right after Kiara poured her heart out about how much this merge is hurting her
>>114944083Fat fucks
>>114944038You didn't get creeped out by her fanbase before with all the mommy fags?
>>114942796Kek
>>114944010If that’s your standard, then 99.99% of relationships on the internet are fake, not just those involving Hololive. Find meaningful relationships elsewhere. It’ll be better for your mental health. I’m being serious.
>>114944108one or two guys with a fetish isn't the equivalent of an entire thread full of reddit wholesome chunguses
>>114944123>then 99.99% of relationships on the internet are fakethis but unironically
>>114944123You can have a meaningful relationship on the internetHell you can even have a meanigful relationship as the fan of a streamer. Some streamers geniunely like streaming for their fans and you can feel that back and forth. Irys wasn't like that after a while, she's just checking in to do her shit
>>114943789>>114944047I love how indies can play niche unknown games like this. One of the great benefits of being indie.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUEqr8l_v_4&t=8010
>>114944108If creepy fans stopped me I wouldn't watch vtubers at all
What the fuck is that kronii stream timeframe? It's barely evening for JST
>>114944010it feels like to me that you haven't fully processed the loss of that period of time that gave you joy. Of course this is just me making assumptions. Hope you can find either someone who can make you feel like you used to, vtuber or not, IRL or online (do let go of the past, ain't nothing worth revisiting there imo)
One of things I found most admirable about Irys is that she didn’t really play video games, but gradually became a gamer to stream unlike Mumei who used it as an excuse to not stream
>>114944088You're just parroting angles from this threadFor fuck's sake, yeah next you're gonna tell you watch Biboo
>>114943109There's no /#/ on the Towa
>>114944088>Who says I can't do both?Nobody is saying that, more power to you because I consider it an absolute waste of time and intelligence. >I bailed because she was speaking Japanese half the timeAgain, I won't pretend to be privy because she's not my oshi and I didn't dedicate much time for her but this seems quite a shallow reason to oshihen. I recall her speaking Japanese in the first few streams of hers that I watched.After watching Hololive from 2019 to 2020 it was a half japanese Holo speaking japanese on occasion that turned you off?I won't judge someone for falling out of love with their oshi but this seems weirdly shallow and you don't really sounds like that. Can you elaborate more?
>>114943167>smart >dates the most hated Homostar to ever existLmao
>>114944104What, what happened during Project HopeI'll even give you hints, what happened with Omega
>>114944156>Of course this is just me making assumptionsYes it is, you literally don't know what the fuck you're talking aboutI've let go of Hololive, I started watching indies, I'm in a relationship with an indie 2-view I started watching>she didn’t really play video gamesIrys was an avid gamer before Holo
>>114943620Skill issue
Oh wait it's not a Nimi Gold because she already lost to KiaraIt's either Kiara or Kronii
>>114943109Probably half of the people here gets shot down the moment they step over there
>>114944203its just your way of typing makes you sound bitter and resentful, thats why I made the assumption. Calm down we aint in jail for you to be posturing like a little bitch
>>114944203>I'm in a relationship with an indie 2-view I started watchingOh my god you guys spent the entire thread arguing with a fucking larper
>>114944152>indies can play niche unknown games LMAO
>>114944088Least convincing phasecuck
>>114944188>I consider it an absolute waste of time and intelligence.Why are you wasting your time and intelligence replying to me? Don't assume to tell others what's meaingful to them>>114944188>this seems quite a shallow reason to oshihen.Well it's lots of reasons. Primarily was probably I just got bored. She was a mystery to me, when I got used to her I started to get bored with her. She doesn't grow or change much as a person. But she also got bored of streaming, and spoke Japanese half the time, which is an issue to anyone watching her>>114944198I know what happened
we have enough gun gamers in hololive who’s the ball gamers?
>>114944203>in a relationship with a 2 viewyou sending her super chats and supporting her anon?
>>114943440Sexooo. I hope Sunset draws Red UI as well
>>114944245I haven't given her any money
>>114944220Kronii's is playing that goon bait game, so she probably gets gold. Also Kiara has less than 200k vod views on her 7 hour stream, how shit was her CCV?
>>114944152They can also scam their fans without any problems
I thought Police boobs would be more popular but apparently Salamander and Goat are vying for first place
>>114944240Kronii, with gymbro
Oh wait Bae is watching the good godzilla in members I am out of here
>>114944259So you're fucking or one of those ldr..?
>>114943577Clara and Gigi huh..
>>114944269She hasn't shown her boobs yet. If there's a toggle to free them while she has handcuffs in her hands she'll go up to number one.
>>114944273Come back in 5min to watch this anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snvkb-GOuBw
>>114944281soon hopefully but i don't have any money right now I can't move
>>114943647>who the fuck is claraaccording to anons here, the Better Kiara
>>114944239>Why are you wasting your time and intelligence replying to me?Unlike the complaining part this conversation has been interesting so far.>Primarily was probably I just got bored. She was a mystery to me, when I got used to her I started to get bored with her.That sounds more like it, a perfectly good reason to oshihen.Better luck in your next life with your new oshi and I mean it because Indies, SPECIALLY 2 views indies can be quite a wildcard.Some guys get the good ones, the great majority get the ones that will be making or being featured in google dockeys SPECIALLY if it is a western bound 2 views (and it must be, after your ragequit over people speaking japanese it definitely isn't a Japanese one. right?)In any case, that doesn't explain the generalisation of "Hololive girls are fake, and they're supposed to but the fakeness blows up" or something from up in the thread.What was that even about, it can't just be you projecting the perceived shortcoming of your former oshi over the entire company, was it?
>>114944305Is this the one with the new expensive MV? I'll watch after the premiere for the nonfucked audio
>>114944305Another ina masterpiece?
>>114944262Kiara mogged griftmi shitemare
>>114944336Yep, so come back in 10 min for the non-premiere
>>114944336>I'll watch after the premiere for the nonfucked audioI wonder if people still remember this trick: replacing www. with music. to get the good quality of the song after the premierehttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=4muYzftomAE
>>114944341Yes!
>>114943744We forgive Elizabeth now.>>114943749>>114943919You chose poorly then.
>>114944327I didn't say Hololive girls were fake I said Hololive was fake. The culture is fake, and they have to participate in it by being part of the company>projecting the perceived shortcoming of your former oshi over the entire companyI've watched pretty much every Hololive member. Irys isn't even fake reallyAnd it's cute watching you try to talk about indies when clearly all you know about them is from the drama you read on the catalog lol
>>114944061Who?
>>114944376Disgusting
>>114944152>unironically shilling for a slut who pays for male vtuber ERP ASMRYuycucks are so fucking pathetic kek
>>114944378>You chose poorlyYou don't choose who you like. It's not like I can just go "oh I'll go watch Shiori now", I fundamentally do not enjoy herBut I suppose that's what you have to do when you like the brand and not the inidivdual
>>114944348I don't care about nimi, I'm just wondering why the vod views are so low (even with the view count update)
>>114943817why are you guys so obsessed with conforming
>>114944394the gigi gigis maker
>>114944394prominent korean GG artist, bit of a menhera (like 99% of koreans), has an alt with GG porn that gets posted here everytime he draws a new one
>>114944386>And it's cute watching you try to talk about indies when clearly all you know about them is from the drama you read on the catalog lolNot really, every once in a while I thrawl the bottom of vstats to check on the 2 views and low 3 views to see what they're about>I didn't say Hololive girls were fake I said Hololive was fake. The culture is fake, and they have to participate in it by being part of the companyYou and I touched on that point earlier, something not being real being the whole point. you mentioned "Hololive (...) culture" again, what about it that you consider particularly fake BUT that isn't the expectation the medium?I assume there is something insightful there, you wouldn't be complaining about the muppets being fake
>>114944358Cute
>>114944413>conformingIt's not really rocket science, you would assume a content creator whose bulk of the audience is on YouTube and affiliated with a company whose bulk of the audience is on YouTube would create content on YouTube. That's not as much "comforming" as "fulfilling your job description".
>>114944435is that a skirt or shorts on gigi
>>114944399the fact that the ones you like (gura fauna mumei) are the grifter quitters tells a lot about you
>>114944427you said this>the great majority get the ones that will be making or being featured in google dockeys which actually makes me doubt everything else you've been saying, because that's just completely moronic and wrong, you cannot see your catalog selection bias here99% of indies will not have any google dockey or be involved in any drama, they're just doing their thing>I assume there is something insightful thereWhat insights do you want? You already know Hololive is fake, you just foolishly assume that this leads to no negative consequences
HOLYYYYY FUCKINGGGG KINOOOOO
>>114944336The clean versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snvkb-GOuBwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snvkb-GOuBwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snvkb-GOuBw
So this is why Mori keeps getting close to AmaLee latelyShe wants that VA gig.
>>114944475>the fact that the ones you like (gura fauna mumei) are the grifter quitters tells a lot about youThey were literally this thread's favourite members until they quitOr do you wanna pretend that didn't happen
>>114944361Why does the URL have such a big impact on sound quality?
Damn that might be one of the best holo MV I've ever seen.
>>114944459>>114944461its billie eilish
>retards still arguing with 30k
>>114935606Sex with salamander
>>114944490>99% of indies will not have any google dockey or be involved in any drama, they're just doing their thingOf course I'm extrapolating but of course you understand that in a sea of 2 views the only ones that will be remarkable in any way will be the polemic ones, right?>Hololive is fake, you just foolishly assume that this leads to no negative consequencesTRUE! Hence my curiosity, like a muppets show or WWE, why would Hololive face any negative consequence for playing the medium exactly as devised?
>>114944395Your era is over Flat-anon, thicc girl wonnered
>>114944526>Why does the URL have such a big impact on sound quality?music.youtube fetches the song from a different source, they even have a tab to play only the song without the videoI assume they can improve the quality because the number of people that use that service is much smaller
>>114944397Eww>>114944507That's why I only play in Japanese
Holy shit it looks even better on TV wtf. INAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>114944507The NA voice actors cabal is powerful you have to bend the knee and kiss rings to have any sort of gig
>>114944538Artist are sooooo fast
>>114944539>you understand that in a sea of 2 views the only ones that will be remarkable in any way will be the polemic ones, right?No that's not really how it works, I don't pick vtubers based on their google dockey potential, I'm sure it makes /#/ seethe but there's a sea of people out there just enjoying uncontroversial indie vtubers>like a muppets show or WWEHololive isn't fiction and it's disingenuous to pretend it is, these are real people who have a real connection to their audience
>>114944558That actually makes sense to me
>>114944397bruhhh
>>114944397OH NO NO NO NO NO HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
>>114944536thanks i would have never know that
>>114944413I hate twitch. I hate it and I cannot stand it and every moment I have to navigate that site is physically painful.But I don't watch ERB anyway so it's no great loss.
>>114944599I know artist are free to draw whatever they want but at some point this manish Bae got to be a self insert or something
>>114944599DON'T REMOVE HER TITS YOU SMALL DICKED KOREAN
Can we take a moment to appreciate Ina's new MV you fucking niggers
>>114944668>caring about the 2 streams a year corpo mouthpiecerumao
>>114944677gigi top scars
>>114944648true
>>114944668I think its almost Marine level of expensive, goddamn
>>114944686>seething because the budget for Ina's MV is bigger than all of phase's compiled SC revenuepfffft
>>114944558not really, that link uses the same audio source as the youtube video (251-opus), the actual difference that i see is the normalization of the audio volume
>>114944648I'm more annoyed that the guy turned one of the sexiest and most feminine Holo into that androgynous thing
>>114944590>I'm sure it makes /#/ seethe Not really? You don't stick around in this thread for long enough to figure out that what this thread horse race and what this thread actually watches not always overlap and a lot of people have their "secret pleasure" in some 2 views indie.There are even a couple of Scarle watchers here, if that can be believed.You limit your options tho, sometimes there are some cute 2 views JP Indies and small corpos you can watch without commiting while you wait for someone else to pop up, like this one right herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUQhYvwsGKMjust started a new minecraft world.>Hololive isn't fiction and it's disingenuous to pretend it is, these are real people who have a real connection to their audienceI absolutely agree but that doesn't explain why you think "Hololive" is fake. For most of the girls the connection and the distinction are both made very clear to the audience, some of the girls even have very successful RM activities and even then people don't confuse both.What exactly are you even talking about? It can be something company wide, as I explained, most of the girls make the connection and the boundaries very clear with some being closer, some being more distant.
>>114944747>the actual difference that i see is the normalization of the audio volumeAnd, I assume, the bitrate, no? Don't they compress the fuck out of it "in transit" to the point they created a Premium exclusive "1080p premium" because off the bitrate compression they used in the regular 1080p?
Such a boring night
>>114944743>unironic tacuck deflection because nobody cares about his grifting whore rumao
>>114944668Too bad I don't give a flying fuck about EN
>>114944668If it's not drama or cuckoldry we're not interested.
>>114944766>For most of the girls the connection and the distinction are both made very clear to the audienceIt's notClassic example is how everyone assumes all the girls are on good termsThen Fauna quits and it turns out her gen all hates her for getting married to Randon or somethingBasically everyone assumes everything is always good within Hololive (this is kinda changing though), everyone likes each other, every girl is a good person, everyone is friends, every girl likes their fans, etc etc. All of these illusions will get shattered eventually
>>114944800Awww you're seething. Gonna cry? Relegated to seething in threads because your shitters have to break bank for 3D lives and have to market it as a "sololive"
>>114944800>tacuckare you fr phasecuck?
>>114944668Who? Is that some phase shitter?
>>114944696crash bandicoot characters are tough they don't get scars
>>114944743
>>114944508This thread chose poorly, just like you.
>>114944838>>114944841>unironic tacuck meltyLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO enjoy no streams while your boring whore grifts her real job while you get nothing
>>114944881You don't choose who you like
>>114944884But you can recognize when you choose poorly.
>>114944908If it's not a choice you can't choose poorly
>>114944882>All of phases 3D stuff only takes 3 pages on holodexDon't laugh. Don't laugh. Don't laugh..pffft
>>114944882All they have is seething on here defending their whore, they certainly don't have streams to watch
>>114944920Its called reflecting on your decision, aka realizing "I made a terrible mistake by liking those girls".
I've never watched this clara person will she get along with EN and JP?
>>114944907I'm amazed at the ability of the model to make the simplified drawings of the girls and having a lot of text in it. I remember when one of the dead giveaways was garbled text
>>114944947What part of "you don't choose" are you failing to understandYou could choose to watch a girl you don't find entertaining instead, but that still be a worse choice that watching someone who is entertaining but graduatesAt least you had fun for a while
>>114944971Its not about choosing, its about recognizing that you bey on the wrong horse, that liking the grifting quitters is a mistake.
>>114944933would inas streams this year even fill a single page?
>>114944992What did I bet on? Why was it a mistake?
>>114944820>her gen all hates herEh really? the only one we know for sure is kronii
>>114944992Mococo...CC..Ina...
>>114944882>>114944944I was thinking you would post numbers instead of endless seething but your shitters don't have that either kek. Don't worry. I'll subtract 1000CCV from every holos stream from now on. Surely phase will win right?
>>114945034Kronii Bae and Irys all dislike her
>>114944820nta but>Classic example is how everyone assumes all the girls are on good termsthis has never been a thing unless you're from reddit/twiter, what most ppl assume is that they're decent enough to leave their differences aside in favor of keeping the good vibes in the group, because that's is more important than whatever shit could've happened between any of themIn the end what people mostly assume and through the years has been clear that's actually the case, something that apparently is pretty rare in other places
Holo is just fucking dead now. Crazy
>>114945001Ina or Hina?
>>114945058>this has never been a thingit has even on 4chan up until the Fauna incident, and you'll still find stragglers who deny that
>>114944668Why can ina get this kind of MV animation while kiara is stucked with kanauru shit?
>>114945043this tacuck is still having a melty because nobody itt cares about his grifting whore the absolute state
>>114945066t.
They are just busy with fes recordings the streams will start back up in November when it's done don't worry. It's like this every year.
>>114945051why would bae or irys hate her?
>not even debut yet still mogged the number english 1 corpo in the west KEK!!!
>>114944907how does it knows some characters and others don
>>114944820>Classic example is how everyone assumes all the girls are on good terms>Basically everyone assumes everything is always good within Hololive (this is kinda changing though), everyone likes each other, every girl is a good person, everyone is friends, every girl likes their fans, etc etc. Anon, that's their fucking job description and it's not just them. The Mythbusters duo LOATHED each other, Abbot and Costello likewise, half the "hair metal" bands as well.But their commitment is with the audience so they have to check their feelings out and present their best image to their fans.That's not something exclusive to Hololive, that's the very nature of show biz and the entertainment world.Some of the girls will be friends, other will be acquaintances, some will have a falling out and end up estranged (like Luna and Matsuri, or Lui and Koyori on debut) but it is not just that the audience doesn't have to see that: the audience doesn't WANT to see that.I mentioned this several times in this thread, vtubing in general and Hololive-style vtubing in particular is an inherently escapist hobby.People watch it not because they want to see "reality" but because they want to escape it.Here is an example: Flare. Flare is great, I love her but she has the bad habit of behaving in a way you yourself would applaud but the audience doesn't.At one moment, to give an example, she had to "scold the audience" and say the equivalent of >me and Noel are not really married, you know? And, specially, I'm not the "husband" to which the audience likely mumbled between their teeth>shut up wench, we know that, just be cute, look cute and continue giving us "tee tee", stop breaking the fourth wall!Maybe you yourself wants sincerity and "no fourth wall", the person is the vtuber and the vtuber is the person but that's NOT what the Hololive audience wants. Do you think the bulk of the audience is unaware that Pekora and Miko had a falling out years ago? They know, they just don't care, it doesn't detract the littlest of the entertainment either of them are providing. In any case, this is extending for too long and it's way past my bedtime. Three things I ask you1) if you took anything positive from this conversation remember this before going back to your old "complaining" self. You would enjoy this place a whole lot more if you played it straight instead of trying to disrupt it on purpose, if you take your time to listen people will likely talk with you in a civilised way2) Nobody can tell you how you should feel but my opinion is that your experience with IRyS moulded a lot of your current behaviour. Just let it go, it's not a shame to fall out of love with an oshi. 3) spend more time on self improvement and on your new oshi instead of spending with this merry band of retards over here. You seem to be too intelligent to be this dumb and waste time and energy talking to an audience of 5 people thinking there is anyone listeningHave a good one
>>114944787no those both audio files are the exact same and that means they have the same bitrate (yt makes an aac, called 140, and a opus version of the original audio stream), now i dont have premium so they could have some higher video/audio bitrate files available for them, if the source file even had the better bitrates. About the video files they do more and make a ton of versions from the original file and multiple reencodes with the same resolutions and some of those are deleted when the views slow down
>>114945071ina. how many streams this year?
>>114944475Just look at what happened to their fanbase; Divided, bitter, scattered, some even outright turned into Holoantis. Being a holoavenger fan is suffering.>>114944538Please draw Suzuna next!>>114944569Reminds me of Hololive Alternative.
>>114945086All 3 of them gave extremely cold graduation speeches where they barely uttered her nameBae overlapped her open Minecraft streams, told people to stop talking her in chat, shut down collab ideas with herIrys did the meat tweet
i like this
>>114945092Isn't the Croco Girl supposed to be their new champion?
>>114945080Pffft hahahaha I can hear you choking up. Don't worry. I'll try and convince tallyanon to add a mercy rule for phase. No need to cry lmfao
>>114945098They don't compress on the fly on www.youtube? My impression is that they do, and the bitrate loss on transmission is what makes the difference
>>114945093How come raora is that low? Kinda surprising that erb is higher than gg as well
>>114945105More than Hina, why?
>>114945078>it has even on 4chan up until the Fauna incidenttrinity posters in this very thread were shitting on kronii because she wouldn't even try to talk directly to her what the fuck are you talking about?
>>114945105Notice how embarrassed he is that he can't answer the question and deflects to protect the lazy whore lol
>>114945120Where's the full version?
How do we feel if one of the new talents is a raden nepo hire? Can hololive and it's audience handle another fucking nerd
>>114944668It looks expensive and hololive winnered and everyone else losteried lelo kekaroolio hopefully it does good numbers or whatever
Why the girls are so hyped by Holy Trinity?
>>114945092phasebro not like this??!
>>114945115>IRyS did the meat tweetKEK that was one hell of a message from her considering that everyone knew Fauna is vegan
>>114945092I've never even seen like 99% of these names before. Do phase anons even know all the names of every girl in their corpo or just the usual /vt/ favourites?
>>114945151https://x.com/YubbiiDraw/status/2101092731196178708it's one of those gay 4 panel twitter arts but it is still sex
>>114945154Double the likes too
>>114945122saba killer
>>114945172do you have the picrel for that tweet? i dont remember
>>114945169to distract you from kobo muslim yab
>>114945156>Can the JAPANESE audience handle another JAPANESE woman that speaks only japanese and does japan shit in the new and improved japanese-only hololive exclusively for only japanese people?I think so, man. I think they're gonna love it, actually.
>>114945151
>>114945092LMAO!!
>>114945093I think because other panels had raora full drawing?
>>114945115>a tweetyou have to do better than a tweet to show she hates her
>>114945092Now compare it with Niji, or are you afraid?
>>114945154Nimi MOGGED!>>114945215Sexxxooooo
>>114945191>Saba killerOh so it's a flop>>114945200But Kobo isn't muslim
>>114945169Because it's one of the best Holo originals yet and many of the girls are super excited at the prospect of themselves getting amazing orisongs with great MVs made via HoloDori completely for free for themselves?
Mwocha 90k karaoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Km9xwm_nshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Km9xwm_nshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Km9xwm_ns
>>114945208There it goes, back to complaining
>>114945095>You seem to be too intelligent to be this dumb and waste time and energy talking to an audience of 5 people thinking there is anyone listeningYou've been arguing for hours with this guy because he doesn't like Hololive anymore
Schizo nightmare fuel
>>114945215Isn't Watame in a bit of danger here...?
>>114945228after debut
>>114945252Wait, is that NotShion behind Mori and Biboo?
>>114945239That makes perfect sense to me.
>>114945095I enjoyed having a conversation with you, probably the only non-retarded person I've spoken to in /#/I still hate Hololive fans for being retarded, I have no real feelings towards Hololive vtubers anymore since I've long moved on but I still come here probably because I have nowhere else to hang out
>>114945228These girls have already beaten 26 Nijis including the Idios main channel
>>114945215That's all wrong. In reality their positions would be swapped.
>>114945235>But Kobo isn't muslimTell that to the Japanese. They think all of ID is Muslim.
>>114945239Isn't it a little fucked up that instead of FUWAMOCO getting their own original they had to do a group one with Lui? Everyone else got their own songs...
Why is nobody hyped for the new holo debuts?
>>114945249I don't pretend not to be dumb, I'l still in this thread, ain't I?Actually the continuous act of remaining in this site makes us all dumber by the day and I'm around from the days of cracky chan
>>114945227Yes, her speech on stream The meat tweet was just icing on the cake. If I didn't already know that tweet would have just been nothing, but that was literally the only time Irys ever tweeted food
>>114945200pretty sure Kobo isn't muslim
>>114945261Yep it's the keyboard collab stand
>>114945252At least Biboo doesn't scam her fans>>114945261Yep
>>114945286No one here speaks moon runes so it's essentially just even more side characters on the miko fubuki pekora show
>>114945286Because they follow the Homos, even the EN ones
>>114945280She was drinking on stream less than a month, so what's the yab?
>>114945228not debut yet but close to mogging the fuwamoco killer!
MOUSEY 30K DORYAAAAAAAAA
I want Tsuzuri to kiss my forehead and tell me everything is going to be okay
>>114944820>everyone assumes all the girls are on good terms>meanwhile pekomikothere have been a few public falling out in hololive that its impossible for people here to not notice
>>114945340People will still deny it happened or treat it like it's a big scandal
>>114945340>>meanwhile pekomiko
[Surprising news] Aqua somehow still has access to her Aqua discord account, she used it to message Subaru
>>114945359Shion also messaged Shuba recently
>>114945142they do compress the original files and make multiple versions of different qualities and resolution for the server to use, and you never actually see the original file, but youtube music can use those same files (with same qualities). Changing the url to music.yt uses the same internal files as normal youtube (so same bitrates no extra reencode shenanigans). There are some uploads made for yt music that have higher bitrates audios availables for premium users, same with normal yt that also has higher bitrates video versions. Unless you see a different audio codec id in the info of the video, its the same file being listened through a different media player (both web pages seem to have different audio volume normalization)
>>114945340most people notice, is just that discussing about it falls into "le parasocial" talk so they do it here (or in towa when the jannie is not trigger happy)ofc there is always retards like picrel
>>114945402>most people noticeYou have no idea how oblivious the average vtuber fan is
>>114945359x-hololive talents own their discord and steam account after leaving hololive not like X-nijisanji https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQcE1BCzmOY
>>114945402Kek what a fucking dumbass haha
>>114945376Yeah but that was clearly as Roa, because she didn't show the sender, just the message
>>114945350yeah but none of that is fakeholo members are just being holo membersand people are just being people
dorya
>>114945473
>>114945415i know there's a lot of oblivious retards anon but just like beggars, they're a small group of loud people
>>114945473NTE should just have added an extra zero to the paycheck and she would have shut up
So that was ina's ash again?
>>114945473phase connect pippa when??!
Kiara talked to Gura she’s out there…
>>114945402>>114782870>>114782895>>114782916
>https://www.twitch.tv/elizabethrosebloodflame>https://www.twitch.tv/elizabethrosebloodflame>https://www.twitch.tv/elizabethrosebloodflame>https://www.twitch.tv/elizabethrosebloodflameThe savior of EN dead hours is fucking HERE!!!!!
>>114945200Kobo is Christian
>>114945559not one tal;king on nijisanji about the x livers why not??!
>>114935606UO! FAT THICK TAIL, I WANT TO HUG THAT TAIL WHILE GOING TO POUND TOWN
ok achichi, you got my sub.>>114935606
She is my favorite one because she makes my dick throb. Please have a sexy voice.
Sex with this wet and sad ina
>>114945402He's right, the pekomikochad is the most sane dude from here.
>>114945581i dont care about your fanfic anon
>>114945583I rather be bored than suffer watching this
>>114945621This fag is the opposite of most fan artists; they draw big boobed members like theyre flat
https://files.catbox.moe/65c00d.m4ahere you go , fat grem
>>114945493why do they act like nijisisters?
>>114945473Damn, I didn't know she got Shaka on screen
You all subscribed to the new girls, right anons?
>>114945675ah of coursemust've gotten the front page treatment or whatever
>>114945675
>>114945493Convicted rapist says what
>>114945691Drops on, basically "free gifts if you watch this stream"
I don't understand the meaning of the iron mouse crybaby fortnite song. Is she just saying she wants people to feel bad for her and give her money or what is it? Her voice sucks and is painful to listen to but I'm trying to understand if there's some deeper reason it's a popular song?
>>114945326>comparing to niji femalesCompare it to their males or are you too afraid to do so?
>>114945662
So we know that the new orange girl speaks English fluently. Is this how new Hololive units are going to move forward? A gen with multiple language speakers?
>>114945685bootlicker behavior, at least wait until their debut
>>114945666well 3 of nijisister are x vshojo
dead general
>>114945727
Interesting: Nerissa added the Asobi Mawaritai channel on her homepage under the Hololive tab but not the individual channels of the asobis
>>114945725I don't think there will ever be another ID speaking. And all will speak JP but if we're lucky at least one will speak some English and do a few streams around debut to get EN subs before dropping it.
>>114945717sorry anon niji male are rapist
>>114945713>if there's some deeper reason it's a popular songLet me put you an exampleDo you remember Rebecca Black's Friday? And how everyone shat on it and parodied it?
>>114938745>They mostly hornypost or just treat the thread like a discord and chat with each other casuallyThey mostly do it during JP hours and what's why they're losing more and more JP stream watchers to /hlg/
>>114945473>Mori: indie vtubers only have 2% of the opportunities that we have>No HoloEN has ever been in a game as big as Fortnite and likely never will>Indies can get everything corpos can and make more money from it
>>114945781
>>114945798BASED!
>>114945685I usually subscribed to all holomems except homocollabers, and Irys. Idk why, she’s… just there, and boring
>>114940642Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again, expecting shit to change
>>114945675She launched a fortnite bundle and you can watch the stream to get part of it. It's definitely gigabuffed but it is people legitimately turning up to get Ironmouse-related stuff.
>>114944409Kfp bots
>>114940642Good white fanbase.
>>114945083They're not. It's really because Biboo is on break and IRyS has sololive prep. Those 2 carried stream hours aside from Mori. Justice is in japan for their 3D thing. Mococo is sick, Shiori too, Kronii on work break and with that more than half of EN is down for the count.The only free ENs are Mori, Kiara, Nerissa, Fuwawa, and Raora.
>>114945781Ham should be on a guy's lap to be accurate
>>114945781>kuzuhaare you retarded, nigger?
PHASE CONNECT number 1 vtuber corpo ENglish on the west not on FARTNIT SKIN
>>114945767Ah so it's that kind of popular. I see the parodies now so that makes sense thanks.
>Biboo goes on break>HoloEN fucking dies
>>114944907That saving Kiara panel is le heckin' wholesome actually.
>>114945713No, it's just some cringe song about her being a demon queen and shit, as to how it got popular, it was during the niggroid drama where she said he scared her. This got the tiktok kids who watch Rakai to start searching for her, and finding her song in some animation from a fan, that eventually got continuously mocked until it reach a soft spot of "well it isn't that bad". Although, many still complain about the fags voice, even making version without him.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZFNsdht0w
>>114945781Kek the fact none of these girls are bigger than hololive
>>114945781that statement killed Mori's audience lol
>>114945798
>>114945847I'm sure the powerhouse of EN ina will stream
>>114945858They outlast HoloEN btw, your copes don't matter
>>114945473can't remember the last time a HoloEN girl had more than 20K natty for playing a game
>>114945883has it been 6 months already?
>>114945883She already streamed this week
>>114945781She's talking about music related stuff
>>114945911>natty
>>114945422Oh yeah I remember this, Doki managed to regain access to her accounts when she returned
>>114945824>The only free ENs are Mori, Kiara, Nerissa, Fuwawa, and RaoraWe're fucked..
>>114945911Gura unironically
>>114940642
>>114945824>NerissaNerissa said she had highly important behind the scene work this week and that she wont be available
>>114945936>>114945962
What the fuck guys the new holodori event has been live for half an hour and no one mentioned it at all. Isn't it supposed to be cover's main revenue source moving forward?
>>114945867>>114945867>>114945867
clara is welcome in justice
This is Randon and Caspurr ccv tier
>>114945781Out of the bajillion number of indie vtubers. How many got the ironmouse deal?
>>114945995>roughly half of Justice fanbase are former NijiEN and Phase fansYou know what, yeah you're right.
>>114946017Saba was put in Waterpark Sim, a popular game as well
>>114946026yeah
>>114945621She's going to sound like Neon from Unit B at best
>>114946086she can speak english???!
Why aren't ame and gooba in the mv did cover block it
>>114946045That's 2 then? Out of 50k indie vtubers? That's like 0.005%People here don't realize when you say indies, that means the entirety of indie vtubers. Regardless if you're corpo or indie, getting into the same space as someone like Ironmouse or Hololive is such a miniscule amount of chance for everyone.
>>114945995thats a deadbeat
>>114946127Indies = ex corpo in reality
We need more SS holos
>>114946125>watergura reference>loopsame reference
>>114946156Do you get paizuri with that ticket?
Ok, I saw Abyssal Hymn. As you know the mv is absolutely top tier. Dear god how much did Ina spend on that? 10/10That's why its with a heavy heart that I have to say the singing is mid. Forgettable. It didn't have impact. 4/10, 5/10 tops. Temari was much much better. I wish she'd made Temari her MV splurge instead of this one.
>>114946127>99% of streamers will never reach ishowspeed levels>99% of vtubers will never reach Ironmouse status>99% of youtubers will never reach Mr. Beast statusthanks for the mind blowing revelation anon
>>114946147Ex-holo in most cases since all this thread talks of is nimi and ironmouse is only relevant whenever there drama.
>>114946156Daaku is so lucky.
>>114946178This is in context of >>114945781indie vtubers in general gets less opportunities, and what Mori says is even less than 2% in reality
>>114946178100% of current HoloEN will never reach Ironmouse/Saba status either
>>114946206>2%nijisanji predict the future
>>114946214Yeah because HoloEN has more than 1 stream in 6+ months
>>114946214well yeah, Ironmouse can't even sell 600 tickets on her own, when even fucking Iofi can do that
>>114935606When are they debuting?
>>114946214>reach Ironmouse statusi'm glad we don't have a western fleshies panderer and connor cocksuckers
>>114946214every single holoEN has a bigger stream than ironmouses biggest ever
>>114946156
>>114946214Being a mother?
>>114946206No Mori's statement was that indie vtubers (including Saba Nimi and Ironmouse) can't do more than 2% of what HoloEN can do, which is a straight out lie since all those indies have shown they can do way more than HoloEN can these days.
>>114946243Is not selling?
>>114946214you mean paying 100k for ps1 graphics?
>>114946214>100% of current HoloEN will never reach Ironmouse/Saba status either
>>114946277All indie vtubers or do you just mean ex-corpos?
>>114946277>Sabalol
>>114946279It just came out and it's a side set of reprints so it's noticeably slower but that's probably not a big surprise. It has swimsuits so it'll sell out when people go there for IRyS concert.
Is it time to whip this out again?
>>114946277>indie vtubers (including Saba Nimi and Ironmouse)those are called ex corpo
>>114946299Why does white Ina look like Raymoo?
>>114946316Yes
>>114946277there's a reason Mori replaced HoloEN with those "2%" indies during her anniversary stream, she knows she's full of shit and she knows Indies are actually more popping now than her fellow holos
>>114946052>saba schizo
>>114946354I see nothing wrong said there
>>114946350>actually more popping nowwhy lie man..
>no one here is hyped>no one on twitter is hyped>no one on reddit is hyped>no one on discord is hyped>no one in tower is hyped Cover fucked up
>>114946214Nigga I can agree somewhat for saba but fucking ironmouse? Mori can dunk on this bitch multiple times if it wasn't for the le Japanese corpo bullshit
>>114946277I think Mori was aiming that at other HoloEN members who were thinking of graduating earlier this year. She was trying to scare them by saying they'd be nothing without Hololive. But I think after seeing the success of all the ex-Holos, that isn't gonna work on other En members and Mori just made herself look retarded.
>>114946350>she knows Indies are actually more popping now>"what, indies are having a concert? erm let me call exholos, notholos and holos to help us"
>>114946383>after seeing the success of all the ex-Holoswhat are you looking at exactly?
>>114946277It is true though Indies can't do shit unless they splurge out crazy money and have to gamble if their show will go hit or not
Why are we fucking doing these boring timeloops AGAIN?
>discord raidgrim
>>114946383>no source >no link>no screenshotgrim!
man i love timeloops and fanfics!
>>114946406anon think xniji is art of Xhololive
>>114946369it was definitely a bad timing for the initial announcement and now its up to their twitter game until next week
>>114946406Fauna successfully got married, Ame successfully became a neet, Gura successfully became a full time gardener, Mumei successfully became a whale.
>>114946456She looks like she's as young as Ckia
>>114946381Mori can't even dunk on 90% of her own former branch
>>114946409Because /#/ are predominantly Hololive viewers, and Hololive doesn't stream
>>114946456The colors still push me away
>>114946409Because Cover fucking killed holoEN and debuted an entire JP gen without considering the optics and pissed most hololive fans like me off
>>114946350Why didn't Mori get the world famous western indie act, literally NotKiara, for her anniversary stream? That would have been at least +10K CCV.
>>114946488>hololive fan
>>114946488>hololive fanslook at the hololviefans profile not single hololive follow
>>114946409no idea, ask the raiders
>>114946522>>114946547Yes fans like me and there are more like me, to be honest as far as I'm concerned the whole merger is complete b******* and actively spitting in mine and other fans faces I was so happy when myth was announced I went around telling people about it I made accounts on websites to tell people about it I encouraged people to watch I did everything I could to make it successful because I was so happy and now they're just killing it just so they can keep pretending that they're not providing favoritism to Japanese talents like everyone doesn't know that talents moving to Japan is basically a requirement to be treated properly instead of being treated like trash because the Japanese are too stupid to understand the idea of making management have mandatory English lessons.
I hate Kiara and KFP
>>114946556That's great man here is Kiara thrashing Nimi with fucking Star Fox
>>114946456Worse design than any Holo taoent I've ever seen
>>114946556who give a f about you anon??!!!
>>114946350ya the same reason why it flopped
>>114946572Based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wP881xm5g0
>>114946277Skyline Serenade did so fucking poorly it straight up killed Kiara's chances of ever going indie and it sent all of her participants (except Phoebe) into meltdowns on their personal accounts
>>114946612fucking flat, disgusting from Cover
>>114946456The raden nepo hire
>>114945995it's genuinely fucked up to be joking about charlie grem's assassination like that. of course it's a deadbeat doing it.
>>114946615To be fair I think it's just not a good year for concerts. Even serenskibidi flopped and caused the merger
>>114946638>nepo hire
>>114946659Serendipity sold at the very least 11,000 tickets which would make it the biggest EN concert in historyThe second one? AFO
>>114946475What's the first image supposed to show when Mori isn't even in it?
>>114946676That's irrelevant when it flopped and caused the merger though? Hololive sells out day 1, this was a sad crawl to embarrassment
>>114935606Mask facial
>>114939041500k by old view standards
>>114946676cmon man you could've thrown 30k seats at JP and it would've sold out
>>114946676Okay and it still wasn't enough to the point there won't be another full EN concert and the entire branch got integrated to the main branch. Companies don't want minimal to no growth YOY especially not when merch is nosediving.
24 hour mark after Asobi Mawaritai were announced, here's how it's going
>>114946747>especially not when merch is nosediving.The record for fastest sell out ever is 2026 MococoFucking Nerissa was able to sell out this year, compared to 2025, and she did it in a very good speed, about 30 mins
>>114946750This is mekpark tier what the fuck is going on
Raora has +1 casual outfit predictions from this morning bringing her total up to 2 now. GRIM
>>114946777>>114945272
>>114946770AIDS pity sales, she's never streaming again
>>114946788Raora is the runt of EN, poor girl, she doesnt deserve it but it is what it is
>>114946788wtf I thought it was 3, chattini really can't draw huh
>>114946770>Fucking Nerissa was able to sell out this year, compared to 2025, and she did it in a very good speed, about 30 minsYou're fucking retarded if you dont think she had less limited stock after failing to sell out limited 2 times in a row.
>>114946750do you have a graph of the rate of growth
>>114946770>2026 MococoIsn't that because they streamed at JST or am I misremembering? DId we also still have stock back then because I suspect they've cut back heavily on limited quantities for EN and hid it by getting rid of that store page glitch. Not denying they did well but that's basically the only one that did well, after Nerissa failed to sell out I'm sure they cut her supply by a lot this time.
>>114946796Nobody gives a shit about your two views I'm comparing to cover you sad nijicuck
>>114946819She doesn't have casual fanartists that want to draw her with more clothes on
>>114946012You have to understand that they are both washed up and at their lowest right now and thats AFTER graduating. If any of those three were to graduate 2 years from now they might be sub 30 viewers.
>>114946830No, we cant check stock any more, and yes, some members have even said they had less limited stock this year.
>>114946462good for them tho
>>114946788Damn, it's so bad she's even personally replying to the submissions to try to get people to send more. How did she fall off so far with artists?https://x.com/raorapanthera/status/2101147527995380082
>>114946809Meanwhile in reality the real runt appears
https://x.com/ASOBIMAWARITAI/status/2101144256631259520https://x.com/ASOBIMAWARITAI/status/2101144256631259520https://x.com/ASOBIMAWARITAI/status/2101144256631259520Elfchads!
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>>114946831phasetranny...
>>114946830The mococo stock was obviously heavily reduced
>>114946878Add together the crowds of every single nimi one and it doesn;t equal one day of one EN concert lmao.
>>114946870No one gives a fuck
>>114946870>knife ears>sharp teeth>erotic mask>flat chestPure sex
>>114946878KEEEEEKKK!
>>114946878>no Holofesfucking retard
>>114946809She could have built up her connections if she wanted. She literally doesnt do anything though aside from yuri baiting with Kronii, and then its just solo streams that very few tune in to.
>>114946878>>114946395also she didn't want to do a 3D live and milked the green hat
hehehehe~
>>114946868AAAAAAH MY NARRATIVES TELL DOWN
>>114946878I will steal this and post in on Twitter
>>114946831Alright they're also beating ReGloss, then
>>114946475Are you one of the retards who claim suisei is less popular than ohyama because suisei gets like 4k CCV while ohyama has 20k
>>114946904why are you having a melty? relax your ass
>>114946923na she does the most in her gen, actually talks to a bunch of JP too
migrate>>114946925>>114946925>>114946925
>>114946947In fact they're closer to Advent than ReGloss (or FlowGlow)
>>114946966Retard
>>114946945don't do it, unless you want to be seen as a retard
>>114946956>actually talks to a bunch of JP tooNothing on stream basically, which no one sees obviously.
>>114946966
>>114946878And Nimi felt more like a headliner in her Oshispark events while in the Holo concerts she felt more like a side guest, especially in Holofes which is basically a JP concert with en guests
>>114946821Yeah I could say she had 1338+ stock you could say she had 10 we both can't check because of dumbass jailbirds from /ope/
>>114946954implying that anyone likes or is excited for this, love how they decided to release a new JP exclusive generation right after the merger great optics totally doesn't look like they're going to continue to exclusively favor Japanese talents also one of the models is just straight up a rip off of a common collaborator with their company.
>>114946974They even beat pre-cull ReGloss, post-cull they run laps around them
Surely next year is better for streams now that there's only one concert per year? EN is doing all their anniversary and birthday recordings this month for next year.
>>114946993that was because of her muh imposter syndrome
>>114946966based retard
>>114947003You lost phasefag
>>114946994But logically, Nerissa failed to sell out her previous two limited sets and absolutely no other metric shows she has increased her popularity, so for her to go from failing to sell out twice to selling out in 30 minutes its probably a 99% chance her limited stock was lower this time.
>>114946556If you don't support everything Cover does you're a fake fan
>>114947004Thing is the designs are pulling in a lot of people
