Not really but the talent pool is dwindling and she's not as bad as the rest of the pack
she likes making JP covers despite them not gaining much traction so I could see a reality in which Holo seems like a good restart point for her

>speaks japanese
>european
>uncontroversial
>loli (every EN gen must have a loli)
>likes to sing
>only plays games that corporations can get permissions for
she's in.

>>114984012
Don't know how people do it, are asked to care and pretend it's over only to come over and pretend you're following a new person. It's not like those girls are good with kabuki, they keep their personalities and accents.

Hope she helps promote the boys

>>114984213
the word you are thinking of is kayfabe not kabuki

>>114984165
If Hololive gets her they'll get someone else who actually streams. She managed to do 4 five hour streams a week consistently while working a full time programming job, making her own 3D projects, and mixing and recording for her own songs. If she's able to drop the full time job, and have help for her projects she'll become a streaming monster.

It's fun to speculate but the vast majority of time they don't end up where you want them to be.

>>114984012
she's not very good at singing and her gimmick got old pretty fast, so yeah, she fits perfectly.

>>114984286
thats more than most holowhores

>>114984012
IF she's in holo, then overall I think it's a good thing.
Amiable, cute, funny because she's dumb so she'd amass a following easily like all the other dumb-cutes. Is a holo fan from what I can see, and is an unironic weeb.
Tries to sing. Room for improvement, all part of the idol's journey so this is another positive.
Problems: homocollaber. React slop andy. For the former the internal homos will probably not exist by then and it'd be unlikely that she'd touch external ones again if it ever came down to it. For the latter, literally no choice anyway since cover doesn't allow it.
Regardless I'm sad for her fans since she built a nice little community that seemed free from drama. If she becomes a holo then for her that's a definite step up however in every aspect. She was the only EN indie I ever watched every so often because holoEN didn't FUCKING STREAM.

>>114984495
>homocollaber

And dropped already.

Any other conspicuous EN graduations recently?

>>114984799
clean.
slate.

>>114984286
naive, hololive will start meddling with her streaming availability a few months after debut just like always

I really don't think there's even going to be another "en" gen

>>114984012
>from the whore circles around Filian
ew

>>114984844
Nope. Either this isn't for Holo or there's more to come, unless they've recruited even smaller streamers due to a lack of suitable talents in the larger indie pool.

There's no new english speaking holos coming, give it a rest already. So if anything she joins phase. Maybe she takes over Nyabiss's corpse.

>>114985146
Oh damn, didn't know we're rehashing early 2023 posts.

>>114984165
>uncontroversial

isn't she a male collaber?

>>114984012
No.

>>114984012
How is it still not going through your head that you're not getting a new EN speaking generation.
Because maybe you didn't catch it for the other 30 graduating chuubas that you swear they were totally in

>>114984165
Europeans are whores.
>>114984799
Yes. Even notRaora is a homo niji lusting whore.

>>114984012
Are you saying the police is this girl?

>>114984953
LMAO

> it's management's fault they don't stream
is quite the insane cope

>>114987490
very unlikely, considering they debut in 4/5 days and she's graduating fully in 14.

>>114987348
like 90% of EN holos

>>114987348
Will this anon ever touch a female?

>>114987490
Policegirl has been found. Iirc some Nipponesian Hag, hag with a capital H. Not this weird dutch/belgian thing with a funny voice.

>>114988133
how does anyone get confirmed found when they haven't done anything but tweet? unless they've posted them talking a least a bit now. i know its not this chick because it just doesn't make sense timeline wise but just wondering how that works.

>>114984012
>is she a good hire for Hololive?
worse voice than kiara, and that's saying something

>>114984939
lmao do holofans really follow that?

>>114988246
Woah, I wouldn't go that far.

>>114988313
Lol yes. They constantly responded with 2 more weeks for Shiori for over a year.

>>114988313
Raora hasn't homocollabed yet and it's been 3 years, I forgive her.

>>114984012
She is not going to Holo.

She's clearly in.
I predicted Fraiki in hololive and then Alekirser too.

>>114988191
Every other clue. Disappearance times, style of speech and content (as scant as it is), and in this case the relative fluency of her English which is the major clue with any nip. The 5chin autistes just narrow it down to the most obvious candidates and the most likely one gets parroted here but of course nothing's truly confirmed until debut. I don't know what the ratio is, but a lot of redebuts/ new hires are found out before they even actually have debuted. Debut day just gives confirmation to what was already guessed. Maybe they're wrong? Maybe they're right? Only a few days till you know for sure.

She's 10000% going to do a voice reset (which she could use)

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>>114987982
The answer is no.

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>>114984495
it doesn't matter if she's the most talented and the vtuber with the cleanest records. what's important to us if she has a boyfriend or not! that's all we care about here.

>>114989245
Not sure. I think it's doubtful though.

>>114989245
and what does it change if she does? She will never know and care about you anyway. In the end you will cry and piss yourself to sleep every night anyway.

>>114984012
She's not Japanese, so no. Cover is no longer hiring non-nips.

>>114990774
This, they have enough gaijin-fatigue as it is. Western vtubing is dead, nothing but homo collabing twitch whores with tummy hort every 2 weeks (but please do remain subbed!)

Does she even sing on top of not knowing any JP?

>>114987348
So is your mom

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>>114989245
BOYFRIEND-FREE GIRL
BOYFRIEND-FREE GIRL
BOYFRIEND-FREE GIRL

>>114988133
who

>>114990954
She sings, and knows some JP. I think she's far from fluent, but she's not n6 or anything.

>>114988191
If you just filter by female MTG player that has been in content creation, the pool is very narrow already lol

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>>114984012
What is she going
to do next?

And here are some
words of wisdom
for all of you.

"When one door closes,
another one will open."

Now,if you will,please
do me a simple favor.

TOUCH GRASS,
AND GET A LIFE!!!

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>>114984012
>one of the few I would occasionally tune in to
>graduates
God doesn't want me to watch vtubers.

>>114984286
And none of that will matter because she'll move to Japan and stream at JP hours or just fall into the same rut as the other talents and stream less.

>>114984012
There's too many hints here that she's going corpo. If she was just going from one computer job to another there'd be no need to abandon her streaming career. A hiatus would be more logical.
The question is then which corpo?
Apparently one of her friends or acquaintances was crashing out after watching the announcement stream live. Is it because she knows that joining the majorleagues means she'll be cut off?
Do phase/vspo still collab with their old groups?

>>114984012
Does she cuss? I can't be bothered checking.

>>114997670
I don't think so. Not in that esl kind of way that say kiara does for example where she swears more than native speakers. The impression I got from her was that she was overall wholesome.

>>114997756
Yeah I ended up skimming over a stream after all and she seems alright. But unfortunately she also said she was a redditor.

>>114988428
Is she still "single"?

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>>114984953
I like how there's retards who still post it's hololive's fault holomem don't stream when Saba, Doob and Shachi happened.
Do you enjoy humiliating yourself?

>>114984286
Go watch a sleepathon on Twitch then and shut the fuck up about streams you don't even count or watch.

>>114997172
>stream at JP hours
Biboo doesn't have this problem.

>>114998000
Nta but did you give a shit when Fillian, Hina or Petra are gone for a year? Trying to make Saba some boogeyman is all you /jp/ east only bootlickers got.

>>114998091
I have no idea who these whores you named are. Just reinforces my point that women are lazy whores who need to be managed by men.

>>114988191
Sometimes it's really easy. Just look at someone like FWMC.
>Graduate
>Pick up posting on patreon
>Talk about being nervous about something but excited in May-ish
>AX happens and they go despite not having any reason
>Post 2 pics posing next to Holo stuff
>Talk about being really happy when they get back
>Trailer goes up and pink and blue girls right next to each other
>Tweet goes out using very similar mannerisms.
They don't care if old fans figure it out because it just means garunteed super-supporters on day one, even if they totally switch up everything they're doing compared to prior to getting in.

>>114998000
What does that have to do with current Holo members not streaming? All of EN streams less and less every year after joining except for Biboo. Just looking at FWMC's falloff makes me feel sad.

>>114984012
She's not joining Hololive lol, it's either Phase or Izigenia

>>114998517
>phase
she wouldn't even be able to quit her job for phase; at her pace it honestly doesn't seem worth it
her wording feels like more that she's completely changing routes
still, there's sus wording in her statement so it might be phase
>Izigenia
literally what?
the only corpo that imo seems worth it to actually abandon all your previous shit for, which looking at her seemed to be going well, would be holo

>>114998759
If she is not fluent in japanese or living in japan, it is not hololive.

phase is not having new gens anytime soon besides maybe a couple new invaders in may

izigenia is gross but they have money and maybe they made her a guaranteed money offer she could not refuse

nevermind, just looked up "Izigenia"
>founded 2025
>debuted apparently spring 2026 to zero buzz or fanfare
>convoluted lore nobody gives a shit about
>MIXED gens
what's another way to say "dead on arrival"?
>izigenia

ruling out the obvious like niji, that leaves phase or holo
other non-entities aren't worth abandoning a budding comfy indie career over
I'd lean more toward holo since it doesn't feel like she'd mesh as well with phase overall

>>114998842
Izegenia is funded by nippon tv I think

>>114998823
>izigenia is gross but they have money and maybe they made her a guaranteed money offer she could not refuse
>>114998863
yeah so they've got money to waste
possible, and she might be dumb enough to fall into that
>phase is not having new gens anytime soon besides maybe a couple new invaders in may
interesting
>If she is not fluent in japanese or living in japan, it is not hololive.
she speaks english, french, dutch I think, german and has done covers of nip songs
i think she's actively learning nip so she's like n4 or something
better than some current holos

>>114984012
First Frenchie in Holo

Obviously corpo, just a matter of where

Hololive
>homerun and a guarantee of success money and fame, but at the cost of the spark and creativity.
>joining hololive as a creative twitch indie is like a free spirit joining Walmart corpo offices
>as others have said, if she is not fluent in Japanese and not a resident, then her ceiling is narrowed
the burden of the con lays entirely on her old fans, because you will never have her back the way she was again and the community will never recover. even if she joins and leaves, she will be mid 4-view famous. and that is if she ever wants to stream again and doesnt just have the joy squeezed from her like has happened with most ex-holos

Phase
>it is corpo, but in a lot of ways is like an indie+
>the twitch liggers who joined Phase have all been better off for it, without really compromising their content
>you get guaranteed minimum 8 merch drops a year (that will take a year to ship) + lots of music and convention support if that is something she wants
>if she chooses to leave, she will not be mid-4view famous and you will get your oshi back one day
the con is that it is just an opportunity for success, not a guarantee like hololive. would she be a Kitanya and come in work hard and thrive, or be an Nyana who comes in, mails it in, and is out?

Brave Group (VSPO, v4m or Chroma)
>if she is a dedicated legit gamer, there could some real upside to VSPO.
>unless she was 3D concerts right now, there is very little upside to joining v4m or Chroma
the con is that Brave Group is a legit black company and miserable stress, and would be foolish to trade what she had for it, BUT the good news is if she leaves you will get your oshi back

Inzigenia
>newer group and backed by big money
>maybe they could be very big one day, or they just fall like all other small corpos who were backed by big money once the runners get tired of wasting money on it
the con is you will have to watch her with male furries and mixed gens, but like others if she leaves you will get your oshi back.

A new startup
>always a chance a new startup run by a former big corpo talent appears. who knows

>>114999486
What about Niji?

>>114999714
I'm not as down on NijiEN as others rightfully are simply because they have not debuted new female talents in a long time, so who knows maybe with the right talent and the right debut it could be ok.

The cons outweight the pros 5-1, and I don't see the upside, unless she herself would have to be a NIJI fan because only NIJI fans may think there is still some prestige left in that group.

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>>114984012
>quest highlighted
>saga highlighted

>>114999767
Sorry, I think I forgot to add some kind of expression at the end of my comment to make it clear that I was being sarcastic.

>>114999826
Be that as it may, they are an option and they are hiring a new EN gen…so you never know

>>114999971
Yeah bro she hasn't streamed for 8 months because management is still holding her back

She's one of the very few european vtubers who is actually entertaining so if she does join Hololive I hope she doesn't change too much.

>>115000197
>join hololive
>doesnt change
they will squeeze the life out of her while her entire community she has now will be replaced

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>hard to enjoy voice and weird way of speaking
>mancollabs
>from the filian group

Eh... maybe I'm missing something but are we sure she'd be good holo material?

>>115000228
That's what happened with Cecilia...

>>115000324
If only, we still have to get rid of like 2-3 more ligshits that defecate everywhere

>>115000248
>hard to enjoy voice and weird way of speaking
^ This. I can barely watch her live. She has some okay shorts/covers though.

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>>114989245

People here are going to feel dumb when one of these gradations with all of the corpo speculation turns out to literally just be a full quitting streaming graduation

>>115001236
No offense to fraiki but she's certainly not worth losing any sleep over.

>>114997529
Phase definitely does, at least one of the most recent hires basically behaves like nothing's changed from her indie persona. Huge contrast to the one person in that friend group who ended in Holo and has barely even referenced her old friends on stream.

Pipi just said she's definitely coming back and when someone said "She deserves corpo love" Pipi said "Yeah I know".

Only phase and holo seem "available" right now
And since Fraiki is (slightly) bigger, more ambitious, and more well connected than your average phase hire, she would've been an invader instead (which she isn't because she graduated)

>>115002180
>And since Fraiki is (slightly) bigger, more ambitious, and more well connected than your average phase hire
she is not more well known than Mari or Clio, and she is about as well known as Kitanya who is a reasonable comp.

People said at the time Kitanya was going to hololive because "why Phase lol" and she joined Phase and has loved every second of it and thrived.

>>115002372
tanya was way more well known than this girl frankly i have never heard of this girl until today.
tanya was a rigger to the stars and a barbie.

>>115002372
tanya said she wasn't going to hololive, and the landscape for a non invaders phase gen was more likely than it is now

>>114984165
>>loli (every EN gen must have a loli)
Who was the loli of council?

>>115002583
>tanya said she wasn't going to hololive
and clio said she was never joining phase, all while being under contract for a year. so what is your point?

> and the landscape for a non invaders phase gen was more likely than it is now
phase are probably not debuting a new invader until may because it feels established that may is invaders month and that is when invaders branch anniversary is.

there is, however, potential for there to be a new phase gen in november, february or march because those are anniversary-less months for the company. i don't think (or want) for them to debut a new gen because shit already felt maxxed out even before saga, so who knows.

>>115002583 (me)
also she undersold phase, told people to hold back their expectations and never said anything about it being life changing

>>115002630
IRyS

>>115002678
>so what is your point?
nobody with a brain believed tanya was joining hololive since she was physically incompatible
>i don't think (or want) for them to debut a new gen because shit already felt maxxed out even before saga, so who knows.
so you are agreeing with me

>>114984012
Wait but /vt/ told me that the merger means HL would never ever hire a non JP talent ever again! How could this be?

i could see her being like a nitty desu she has no connections to phase which is good and a benefit to her, she may want a new change of character, and she would still be able to collab with any friend groups she had as fraiki

or she becomes rich and famous in hololive, she never sees her friends again and becomes a true jp corpo girl. and anybody who was her fan up until this point is being sold out because it will never be the same.

>>114984012
>100 replies
>nobody has posted her collabs with all those sexpests and dramafags

>>115002749
>nobody with a brain believed tanya was joining hololive
literally /numbers/, /lig/, and /hlgg/ thought she was going to hololive because 1. she is a supreme talent and 2. hololive gangstalks shondo's friends

I watch both holo and Phase Connect and I am not terribly excited about her joining either group. The place she would have fit in is VShojo.

>>115002815
that does not change my point that tanya never considered hololive and a more laidback place like phase always made more sense
>The place she would have fit in is VShojo.
as much as Henya did, I suppose

>>115002923
and that was never my point. my point was the speculation and expectation from vtuber fans was she was going to hololive because she was too well known/established for phase connect and she would not benefit + she had a barbie there (vs not having any friends in phase)
they were wrong. she benefited and is a runaway hit with corpo backing now and she still gets to have her old friends while making new friends in her group

>>114999821
Good catch. I also find it odd how "Smiled", "Cried", and "Laughed" are capitalized in the middle of a sentence. Do those words have any sort of Phase connection?

Aquwa is straight crashing out: https://youtu.be/wSBQDe4vBfM?t=462

>>115002977
>she was going to hololive because she was too well known/established for phase connect and she would not benefit
the perception of people here does not matter, holo was never an option to her which only left phase, fraiki is not borderline crippled and clearly has more plans than just variety gaming
>vs not having any friends in phase
uhh Lumi?

>>115003047
It's this part that gets me about all the speculation. Friends and associates losing it like they'll never be able to stream together again makes it seem more like she's fucking off from the streaming world entirely, but Fraiki's own message reeks of "redebut in a few months". What's with the disconnect?

id say Phase but i just dont see them debuting a new gen before April. Phase would be perfect for her and if she didn't like it she can just go back to being Fraiki. There is no just going back to being Fraiki if you go holo and leave holo after a few years.

>>115003260
>Friends and associates losing it like they'll never be able to stream together again
Well, to be honest CC did it to Barbies. Nitty just stream with the barbies like nothing happened

>>115003217
>uhh Lumi?
random group collab = friends

>>115003260
>Friends and associates losing it like they'll never be able to stream together again makes it seem more like she's fucking off from the streaming world entirely
it probably means maybe hololive and being in the walled garden. If she joins hololive, all of her friends just witnessed the death of said friendship. While they are happy for her, they know she is figurativly moving away and they will never hear from her like they have been hearing from her. Collabs will stop, DMs and VC will disappear after a while because she will be busy with corpo work and wont have time for the little people any more.

>>115003326
CC joining holo nearly broke Shondo because she knew what it meant.
Nitty joining Phase made Shondo smile because she knew her friendship was still protected.

>>114985088
>>115000248
If she is from the Filian group, maybe Filian is starting up some shit

>>115003343
that's not really true but also not completely a lie and definitely in tune with the general outsider perception

>>115003425
what is "the Fillian group"
do you realize how many fucking vtubers Filian collabed with and was friends with?

>>115003441
I am asking a hypothetical here

>>115003260
They have to pretend to believe it's a permanent graduation if Fraiki doesn't give any clear indication it isn't permanent, why would you think otherwise?

>>115003441
Fillian must be preggers. Cant backflip onto the baby.

>>115003432
it is true.
Fuwamoco were EN small corpo collabed with and followed all of the small corpo girls from 2021-2022. But they abandoned them all except for Coyote who graduated to become the hololive/Phase/Densetsu choreographer.
CC forgot about the Barbies and abandoned them.
Fauna abandoned her friends when she joined.
Biboo forgot about her close friends.

thing change when you get in that kind of group. you become famous, your social circle shifts, and there is no time for old friends.

if you are joining an corpo and want genmates, the entire point is to bond with your genmates/senpais and not just default back to your same old same old friends all the time
push you limits and see what is out there regardless if it is holo or phase or niji

>>114984248
Kerfuffle

>>115003607
the situation makes it easy for things like these to happen but its not like they are explicitly forbidden from collabing or interacting

>>114984012
Anyone know if Fraiki has a vtuber oshi?

>>115003690
it is just not gonna happen is all. if you join hololive, that is just what the deal is. she is trading Aquwa for ERB.
go tell Silvi, Pam, Nene Amano, BasedMilk, Shondo etc what it is like to have a friend join hololive and what it has meant to their friendships.
in rare cases it happens, but those are exceptions.

>>115003607
>Fuwamoco were EN small corpo collabed with and followed all of the small corpo girls from 2021-2022. But they abandoned them all except for Coyote who graduated to become the hololive/Phase/Densetsu choreographer.
i mean, they collabed with milky too
>CC forgot about the Barbies and abandoned them.
she did not, but she is very autistic about not collabing with them as CC for whatever reason
>Fauna abandoned her friends when she joined.
I mean they kind of just backstabbed her, and even after she graduated and it seemed like they made up, they still don't interact and even make fun of her for the LLD
>Biboo forgot about her close friends.
I wouldn't blame anybody for drifting apart from Silvi, about basedmilk, yeah i have no idea what happened there
>>115003816
sure but im saying its not impossible and you already acknowledged that fact

>>115003690
it is not forbidden, but it is difficult and should never be expected

>>115003799
The few times I watched her she mentioned Mori a lot.

If it is holo, I feel bad for her current community because life as they know it is over no matter what.

>>114987348
So was Gura.

As a faint hololive enjoyer on the way out this might renew my interest. Fraiki was always one I wished joined holo

>>115003690
Likely not explicitly forbidden, but signing up with holo means that you're legally bound by a whole bunch of shit that little indies don't have to worry about. Idle chitchat with old pals and letting something slip which said "friend" leaks onward and onward etc., etc , and you get a situation like poor Yozora Mel. It can come back and bite you in the anus and cost you your "dream job" since real money is on the line. And because you're part of the whole group you have to be mindful of all the other girls your loose lips might affect. Mori is an odd case study for this: recall that she said that her friends became resentful and were insanely jealous that she got into holo; and that was back then, before Myth came out and changed the English language vtuber landscape. How "truly happy for you!" could a gaggle of struggling indie friends really be deep down now, post Myth success? Some, sure, but all? You'd sure have to have some saintly friends and it seems that weekly the tally of devilish bitches going mask-off ticks higher.

If they were friends before, the "still gold but tarnished (but gold is gold nonetheless)" ticket that is passing the holo audition would change personal dynamics.

Mori continued her associated with Milky Queen and is has obviously been allowed to maintain that into the latter's new persona. Might just be a legacy case however. I doubt cover management would be as easy about this kind of thing nowadays, especially after the Mel and Rushia leakages.

I don't think she's going corpo. I think she's taking a better job irl and quitting. That's why it seems out of nowhere.

>>115011320
ok fraiki, we all believe you.

HoloEN is dying and Fraiki is already decently sized. The only explanation that would make sense is her being enough of a weeb to go through all the sacrifice for that sweet visa.

>>115011699
It's dying because the girls have gotten lazy, amongst other things. Cover knows the pattern by now and so they need fresh blood to attempt to reinvigorate shit and maybe even light the fire under the asses of the indolent.

>>115011320
It's an insanely obvious move, you don't have to shit your diaper
>early 20's
>no (known) health issues/family issues
>on an upward trajectory
>2 week notice (if this were permanent there would've been like a 2 month notice with more details on some reason)
>no real emotion during the announcement
She'll be back.

>>114989214
>>114987982
It's only when holocasuals think there might be a new holo that you see faggot posts like this.

Someone post the pic of the fat ugly girl who turned out to be a stuckup OF vtuber.

>>114987348
Raora was too

>>115002812
>her collabs with all those sexpests and dramafags
???

>>115002812
Literally who? You talking about the vhoejoers?

>>114984012
yeah

>>115011907
Also
>didn't (couldn't) share the news with any of her friends beforehand
>announcement went live at a specific date and time, hours later than her usual stream start time
The latter point especially confirms it's some sort of corpo thing, since if she could've announced it on her own time, Fraiki wouldn't have waited until very late in the evening.

>>114984012
We have enough whores. No more.

>>115003690
>>115003816
There's nothing forbidding anyone. Raora continues to collab with dya and obviously Mori collabs with a bunch of indies
There's probably a bunch of paperwork and shit though

>>115002372
>thrived

>>114984012
>2 weeks notice on the day
>still sells the idea of caring about her fans
Oldest tale in the chuuba chronicles

>>114984012
Who?

>>114984012
Deme had a private conversation with her and doesn't think she will be going corpo or reincarnating soon.

>>115029675
>deme

well better she's not going holo with friends like that

>>115003888
>but she is very autistic about not collabing with them as CC for whatever reason
Doesn't want to give her friends attention

>>115029675
Sounds like fake news. Link to her saying that?

>>115029675
>doesn't think she will be going corpo or reincarnating soon
I'd be pretty sad bros....

>>114984012
they just hire anyone at this point.