>>115130349
Her brainworms are getting to her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaP1O2BAQgo&t=3141

y is she menhera
I thought she is like super successful and reached her idol dream

>>115130383
Whenever vtubers crash out and justify it by saying "things happened behind the scenes" I can't help but wonder if these women understand that things happen at any normal workplace every single day. The difference is that we have to keep grinding 8+ hours a day anyway for a fraction of what she makes. I have women fatigue.

>>115130383
am i crazy or has she been saying this kind of shit every year for six years? bitch just take your meds

>>115130478
She indeed has. One of these days she'll figure out that life has ups and downs for everyone

>>115130474
Mint is a former wagie. Unlike a lot of vtubers, she knows what having a real job is like.

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Oh ain't that a shame.
Poor little minto.

>>115130526
Every single vtuber ever is a former wagie and knows what a real job is like.
Do you think people only complain when they don't know what a real job is like? Then what is Mint whining about?

>>115130478
the reason women act like this is because they're all on meds

>>115130526
>Unlike a lot of vtubers
Huh? I guess that explains a lot of things actually...
>>115130474
My job pays shit but the benefit is you work alone, can act more or less how you want as long as goals are met and set your own hours.

>cover releases new holos
>menhera mint has a meltdown

every single time kek

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>>115130233
needs marriage correction

>>115130534
You will never not be an object of my masturbation you venomous bitch

>>115130580
Do you really think someone like Mori calliope the nepoest nepo baby to ever nep knows anything about *real* jobs? Or someone like Numi from the whoreclan?

>>115130654
>the nepoest nepo baby to ever nep
???????????????

>>115130654
Mori has been very open about her work experience and she most definitely has had real jobs.

>>115130233
i've only watched her metal gear streams, so im not entirely attached. sorry for your loss or whatever

>>115130580
>Every single vtuber ever is a former wagie and knows what a real job is like.
Do you know what this medium is? There are high school dropouts and NEETs aplenty.

>>115130654
Oh so you're just retarded. Idk what I expected from someone who thinks that only certain people have ever worked jobs instead of working jobs being a near universal experience

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>>115130233
Meh, Kiara is probably just venting to her about how bad holo is rn, which probably affects her since she looks up to Holo

or she's just melty because Cover hired a new bunch of talentlesshoes who don't sing or dance

>>115130776
High school dropouts work jobs too. Even most NEETs had low paying dead end jobs that they quit at some point.

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>>115130233
>>115130383
Nothing a hardcore anal sex session can't fix.

>>115130792
>or she's just melty because Cover hired a new bunch of talentlesshoes who don't sing or dance
That's messed up. Sounds like pulling the ladder up behind her type behavior. I don't see her doing that... unless she is different IRL? I have no idea of the world of cosplayers.

>>115130792
>Cover hired a new bunch of talentlesshoes who don't sing or dance
Can't speak about the new hires but it is a bit odd, you'd think she'd have gotten into Holo by now.

>>115130996
She’s just on her period. She’ll be better next week.

Mint is a very obnoxious type of menhera. She’s never, ever happy no matter what.

>>115130383
how could her life be so hard just stream she could watch paint dry and probably still have 2k people watching no matter what drop the idol shit though

>>115130474
She might have had a major project she spent a bunch of money on fall through, you had to stay over 45 minutes to clean the fryer, it's not the same scale.

>>115130654
Why do people say the dumbest things with so much confidence.

>>115131140
They just find it funny or hope that if they say it confidently enough other people will assume its true

She just continues to keep doing this "mah mental load" woman stuff. Even when she was out of the claws of an oppressive company, even when she was greeted with resounding success for an indie, even when she's enabled to do her weeb dreams, she's never happy. She's always looking at something and being upset about how everything isn't exactly like she think she deserves. It gets old. Just put the streams in the bag.

>>115131140
Nta but he’s right.
Anybody who can just fuck off to Japan to laze around, chase a Jap rapper career, and live off of part time English tutoring is probably coming from a decently well off family and is having everything paid for them. The fact she has threatened to leave multiple times over small issues shows how she has no clue just how amazing of job she has.

>>115131200
You don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Ignorant fool

>>115131237
List the things that are fucking up behind the scenes then. I'd love to actually know and how she could be colossally fucking them up.

>>115131335
She can't get a japanese visa and was foced to settle for California, which might be messing up a lot of her plans and projects

>>115131023
Depends. From what I understand Cover is going for real idols, pros. Mint could considering she is now a veteran with experience. However there is a difference between a person who worked their way up in the industry and someone who was trained for the spotlight from the start. Pro idols have a huge advantage over homegrown vtubers. Mint is good but there is a noticeable difference between her and the pro idol vtubers.

>>115131386
Mint is crazy popular. If Cover passed on hiring her, the shareholders would have to fire Yagoo at that point

>>115131373
>California
Which is also having issues in itself. I think there was something about her and Mata rooming it up because it looks like cost of living went to the moon. Mint is one of the few people I know who went to California, when the current trend is to leave the state. I don't think it was a smart move.

>>115131373
Outside of needing a studio with specific mocap, should that really be an issue? The virtual aspect of being a vtuber is supposed to help in this department.

>>115131023
she threw that away by going indie after niji instead of just waiting for 2 years. could’ve been advent with fwmc, instead she gets a legendary flop

>>115131439
I don't think the shareholders would give a fuck that they passed on some gajin.
>But passing mint up would cause kiara to go mental on their asses!
So another Thursday then?

>>115131439
There is zero chance Cover is hiring a former Niji or vice versa.
>”B-But! They hired Luna!”
This isn’t the Wild West days of vtubing anymore. Neither of them will hire the others former employee because of what that would do to the other company’s image.

>>115131023
Unless Nijisanji and Hololive have some agreement in place not to grab each other's talents after Luna, its probably because her independent business is so established that there's just no point in doing grabbing her. It's not like she's a small indie or just famous and well connected enough (ie 100k subs tops) but you can win her over to your group with exclusive sponsorships, industry connections and concerts and more, she probably has people to help her with that. There is nothing Cover can offer her that she can't get on her own, she's a good friend for the company and they both mutually benefit but probably not who they're looking for as an employee, especially if they aren't sure how long she'd stick around for.

>>115131532
>what that would do to the other company’s image.
I never understood this. Do they feel the fans would see it as poaching or something?

>>115131118
Hilarious projection kek

>>115131567
It would be less seen as poaching and more so a reflection of the previous company the talent was part of. It would be a very clear case of jumping ship to a competitor, which isn't looked upon fondly in any industry. It would also make the talent look very money driven, while also putting that impression on the company they joined. It's just complicated for all parties involved.

>>115130349
>constantly on the verge of mental breakdowns, depression episodes, and thin enough skin to rival paper
>totally has a boyfriend
dyrbi?

>>115131566
They had a shared anti defamation agreement. In Japan they are the two largest and well known corpos. They each now deal with millions of dollars of business a year. It’s not just Coco’s Reddit meme time anymore. Having a talent leave company A to work at company B looks terrible for company A. If these two are cooperating on any level I doubt either would allow it at this point.

>>115131643
yeah, the bf is her manager

>>115131686
Autism

>>115131637
>a reflection of the previous company the talent was part of.
Sounds like the previous company kinda deserved it in Niji's case tho. Personally I don't think its bad that a talent looks out for their own best interest (nor am I saying thats what you were implying btw) so its just weird to me that the JP audience would be ok with an anti-competitive custom like refusing to hire ex employees. And of course that will make any applicant think it ten times over before applying to A or B.

>>115131801
>In Niji's case
Sorry I meant in Luna's case

>>115131234
>continues to be confidently retarded about a person who has most of the easily trackable work record on the internet

>>115131801
It's probably just so these two industry giants can rest easy knowing a company they're cooperating with won't actively fuck them over without serious legal repercussions. I guess it would be like it Nijisanji were to win over some HoloStars, Cover wouldnt be happy either.

>>115131723
More like common knowledge.
Most large businesses have non compete agreements for a reason.

>>115132033
Imagine a western corporation saying "noo we can't hire that engineer, he worked at IBM before" lmaoo, why are japanese like this? Are they retarded or just autistic?

>>115131721
>phoebe and mint have both discussed how they've been trying to get steiner a girlfriend
sorry shondocuck, try saying michael in her chat see how that works out

>>115131801
Whether they deserve it or not is beside the point. They’re working together to protect their images.

>>115132061
I thought she was a fan of Mikeneko

attention seeker woman moment. Dont pay attention to her

>>115132057
That's a retarded comparison because engineers are not a public face of the product they work on. Vtubers and entertainers are very much a face.

>>115130233
If you track her x metadata patterns, you'd see she's been working as a whore in slovakian whorehouses

>>115130233
What exactly is so stressful for her?

>>115132508
holo released new girls and she’s jelly

>>115130349
she has a long term one

I have been told that being an indie was easier. What happened?

>>115130233
God I hope she kills herself soon

>>115133097
proof next thread?

>>115133233
It can be easier if all you want to do is sit on your butt and stream games all day. Mint is too much of a workaholic and needs to be working on 10 concurrent projects or she feels she isn't being productive and is a failure

>>115132508
Her boobs are gone

>>115130349
She does this every once in a while. She'll be fine in a week or two.
>>115132508
Brainworms + constant projects these days. She's performed in over a dozen cons or paid events this year, many requiring mocap or physical trips across the globe to Japan, and this is on top of the many collabs, MVs, and actual streaming.

>>115130233
hopefully graduation soon

>>115133351
https://youtu.be/8u2Xa7FsvlI?t=95
big yab

>>115131234
>>115130654
i don't think you could've picked a worse example

sounds more like shes just overworked and stressed rather than "menhera"

>>115133528
D:

>>115130474
I mean this depends normal job doesn't rely on friendship (or pretend friendship) nearly to this extent even business relations with merch companies and such often have some personal aspect so it's never just business you leave behind in your office.

>>115131200
She did the thing people here used to accuse Sayu of doing, while not having to deal with the shit Sayu experienced, so honestly I think she shouldn't be complaining

>>115131200
>She's always looking at something and being upset about how everything isn't exactly like she think she deserves.
Her menheraness is more about her thinking she isn't a good streamer, good entertainer, good singer, etc. Self-confidences issues. Not "I think I'm amazing and deserve better!"

>>115134770
Reminds me of something she said once
>Nobody hates me more than I hate myself

>>115130654
should have gone with the shark rather than the reaper

>>115133654
>She's performed in over a dozen cons or paid events this year, many requiring mocap or physical trips across the globe to Japan
Vtubers are supposed to be virtual. We have everything we need these days to have successful virtual concerts.
Physical in-person cons benefit very, very few people in the community.

>>115135393
her constantly doing expos really burnt me out, i used to be a fan

typical pomu nothing to worry about

>>115135442
you aren't supposed to physically go to every single one

>>115131386
That's a good way to put it.
>sourced from charismatic misfits wandering aimlessly on the internet
>sourced from industry professionals tuned and managed by the mature entertainment industry
It's a massive change for what vtubing once was, honestly.

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>>115135393
Mint's a huge fan of the underground idol scene and loves crowd interaction and shit like wotage. you can't really get the same thing from a virtual event

>>115130233
I can fix her. Anally

>>115133727
She's having a live-live 3D live for her birthday next week, and has been doing a lot of practice off stream, but her usual self-confidence issues are probably causing her to think she's doing terrible

Leech fantome and the 30 faggots fans.

>>115135592
Many idols have been training from single digit age in the fields of music, dance, and acting. Then there is the job aspect. Pro idols don't object to much and just do the role. Vtubers from the internet just don't have those skills honed and always have unpredictable responses to assignments.

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>>115130233
>LOTS of stuff happening
>Something happened the other day

>>115135785
>unpredictable
That's kind of why I liked it. It was decidedly non-professional.

>>115135618
your video is completely virtual though, that's just a live2d avatar singing. there's no mocap or equipment or anything needed

>>115135618
i couldnt imagine paying for a concert where its just her L2d

>>115135855
The corpos do a lot of scripting. I do agree that no script moments can be way more fun and memorable.

>>115132057
You know Google, Apple and Facebook had just that, except it wasn't public since it was illegal as fuck?

>>115130233
Damnn Luca made Her reach the mindbreaking point

>>115131103
It's why I stopped watching her. There's always this looming sense of dread waiting to come out. She's always incredibly vague about it too, so everybody always assumes the worst and her fans start spiralling too.

>>115135618
>no bitches
Why the fuck would i ever wanna be there

>>115135785
>Many idols have been training from single digit age in the fields of music, dance, and acting. Then there is the job aspect. Pro idols don't object to much and just do the role.
That makes them sound a bit robotic or like trained zealots...

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>>115130383
>im the one haunting here
she merely adopted the haunt

>>115130383
>brainworm
Is this the new trendy term? Kiara also used "brainworm" earlier
>Kiara: sorry if you don't see a lot of variety now and in the future from me but I think I need to for my own sake continue to attempt to be with people where my brain worms don't activate, where I feel comfortable, and there's just not many of those people for me right now
even though I swear I barely hear it before 2026 and often not in this meaning.
Or perhaps those girls just decided to go menhera together

>>115137330
That anon probably described KR idols or something similar, since being trained from single digit age definitely doesn't apply to all (or even most) of JP idols
>Pro idols don't object to much and just do the role.
is true, though. Gritting your teeth and working hard through hardship is one of JP's virtues, not just for idols

>>115137577
>Is this the new trendy term?
No, it's been said by many vtubers and fans for years

>>115130349
Retarded ESL

>>115137632
>working hard through hardship is one of JP's virtues
but when that hardship is due to incompetent people above you? At that point gritting your teeth is the wrong thing to do.

>>115131532
VSPO already hired several former Nijis. Nobody cares. it's very unlikely Mint/Doki/Matara ever applied after they left Niji and no other former Nijis are close to successful enough to make cover consider them.

>>115130233
I wanna fuck her and be her bf so bad

People here are delusional if they think 2-3k vtuber indies want to go into a corpo in 2026. Hell even streamer groups are dying and it’s better to just grow your own brand

That's a lot of deleted posts kek

>>115139501
Mint said outright that she never wanted to work at a JP company again after Niji, and Kiara mentioned a few times how Mint kept rebuffing her joking aboutt joining when she was showing off the studio to her.
Doki's said several times pre/during/post corpo how Cover was something she never considered because she thought she wouldn't fit there
Mata I can't imagine ever applying but ironically of the three might have had the best chance in there due to being an actual extrovert with life experience.

Though Doki's said that back after she got fired, she was desperately trying to shill herself to any group or org that'd take her, with nobody willing to actually bring her on, forcing her to solidify herself as an independent. It's wild to imagine a world where she got snatched up by a corpo, be it something like Holo as an EN event organizer or even somewhere as minor as Idol or VSPOen that she could've given tens of thousands of fresh eyes on. Apparently vshojo didn't even bother to contact her or respond.

>>115137577
newfag spotted, welcome to vtubing

When women complain about things, you know it's just some meaningless shit 99% of the time and 100% for most of them

>>115130474
tbf a normal workplace lets you completely slack off for at least two of those 8 hours

>>115130580
Not true. There are many scenarios where they never had a real job
>school -> freeloader on nnd -> vtuber
>school -> bf -> vtuber

Minto is menhera because she wants to be the best vtuber. She said multiples times that her biggest desire is making us proud of her. This leads to overwork and depression in the end, but we can't convince her that just streaming and living a happy relaxing life is more than enough.

She already acomplished so much. Hell, she was the face of fucking comiket this year an is close to Capcom and many other companies. Everything feels like a checkmark for her and I feel like she never enjoys what she manages to achieve. I wish I could inject into her brain that she doesn't need more numbers, merch or concerts or whatever the fuck. Aiboos are wealthy as fuck and will bankroll her until she becomes a old little lady because we love her so much.

>>115130580
Mint was working since she was a teenager. Many vtubers worked at some summer job and went to school. Just compare her to her old Nijisanji peers. Do you think Finana, Selen, Elira have a lot of work experience? Finana was basically a neet (female)

>>115130233
Damn nijisanji made her this way!!!

>>115135844
She knows that saying anything specific will have negative ramifications for the parties involved, she would never do something as irresponsible as naming and shaming because she knows how hurtful and damaging that can be.

>>115131118
This idol shit is so stupid. 80% or more of the fanbase in the west doesn't give a fuck about it and yet they pour so much time, money, effort, and ruin their mental stability over it when it turns sideways and they realize that no one wants to pay them to be the girl on stage singing and dancing.

>>115141593
>Aiboos are wealthy as fuck and will bankroll her until she becomes a old little lady because we love her so much.
Probably why she's so menhera tbdesu. Nothing she does actually matters, she makes money based on whales who will subsidize her lifestyle unconditionally no matter the quality of her content. She knows at some level that no one actually cares about the idolshit despite it being her life's passion which must be a huge bummer, the fandom she cultivated exists at cross purposes with the dream she wants to achieve.

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>>115140328
>Mint said outright that she never wanted to work at a JP company again after Niji,
Her loss then.
>and Kiara mentioned a few times how Mint kept rebuffing her joking aboutt joining when she was showing off the studio to her.
lmao Did she mention how much the studio is to rent?

>>115130233
She's finally been indie too long to blame it on the nijisanji boogieman anymore.

Can't stand this woman. Like seriously, these girls need to get the fuck over themselves. Most people here don't have the luxury to live a nice comfortable life while simps literally throw money at you. Along with the fact she's friends with some of the worst types in the industry when it comes to fan bases including her own.

>>115142403
That is easily one the truest statements in this thread. Mint and other non-streaming focused vtubers are being enabled by a bunch of douchebags who pretend that they support the ridiculous projects by the vtuber. It's not like theyre uploading covers, originals, or anything. It's all just merch and concert bullshit.

>>115143096
> It's not like theyre uploading covers, originals, or anything.
Are you still talking about Mint, or did you just want to complain about other vtubers?

>>115143363
If she's been so productive how come she's so miserable then?

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>>115142403
To some extent it has to be a bit annoying that people just like her for being a cute chatty girl with a good sense of humor and not all the projects and things she does. That's kind of all vtubers though.

>>115144213
Because she overworks herself and gives herself stress and anxiety. She feels that if she isn't working on multiple concurrent projects she's stagnating as a vtuber.

>>115140355
've been watching VTubers since Holo's AK collab, but I guess I just didn't watch enough modern indies for all those zoomers' terms

>>115144744
It's a /pol/fag term, nothing to do with vtubing specifically

>>115145282
Not even a /pol/fag term, just a general internet term

>>115135618
Then she should try being an idol again rather than a vtuber.

>>115142403
I think you're right it sucks. I don't even know what to say besides this. Like that other anon said I enjoy her because she is a cute chatty girl that is really good at making me laugh and feel nice. I wish I could be more engaged with her idol stuff but it doesn't do anything for me.

>>115130392
Comes free with ownership of uterus

>>115144744
Bruh what brainworms has been around as a term since I was a kid and I’m 35

>>115130233
it must suck having this bitch as your oshi and knowing she's never gonna be happy, sucks to be you mintkeks, find a good oshi next time kek

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>>115145598
If she wanted to do idolshit she should have just stayed in Niji- Japan is literally the only place with both the infrastructure and the idol culture necessary to do make it work at scale. Either you put up with JP corpo bullshit or you give up on being an idol, there's no way to have your cake and eat it too.

>>115145958
Niji told her no, so she left

>>115145999
And in hindsight she regrets it, because going it alone is way harder than she expected. If anything all the yes-men in her fanbase are to blame for hyping her up into thinking there's any widespread appreciation for idol culture in the West or that she was actually popularizing idols among the majority of her fanbase.

>>115145958
>at scale
At scale runs opposite of her brand of idolshit. Her idolfagging is more aligned with the underground & kaigai idol scenes that heavily integrate things like wotagei, calls, mixes, UOs, hamtaro circles, etc. Many of those things are only possible/acceptable at smaller scales, not large venues like Niji.

>>115146306
It's only "harder" because she's actually able to do all these things now, instead of Niji always telling her "No".

>>115135442
it sounds like it burnt her out too

>>115146360
Sounds like cope to me, otherwise she'd be happy with what she's achieved instead of saying she was on the verge of giving up being a vtuber altogether this year.

>>115146488
Congrats, you've discovered she's menhera.

>>115146594
Not saying she isn't menhera, but menhera doesn't cause burnout, overwork causes burnout.

>>115130589
>My job pays shit but the benefit is you work alone, can act more or less how you want as long as goals are met and set your own hours.
Sounds like my dream job desu.

>>115130478
>>115130233
This is just what happens to women when they don't have a good man around to keep them in line.
Like how men end up as worthless useless slobs without a good woman around to keep them in line.

>>115130654
Yeah nothing screams nepo baby like being a fucking waitress.

>>115130392
she has zipper tits

Pre-Niji Mint > Pomu >>> Post-Niji Mint

in an alternate timeline, she toughed it out at niji, gradually turned things around, and formed an idol group with maririn

also en vtubing is not dead in this timeline

>>115145598
too old and washed up to be cute

>>115147763
I the the post-Niji Mint needs to be split up into 2 eras, the fresh indie Mint and the loli Mint.

Fresh Indie Mint in 2024 was peak and the best version of her. 2025 onward it has just been awful. same vaniety projects with the same tired group of vtubers doing the same things with less streams and more trips it feels soulless.

>>115132057
>imagine if *thing that happens all the time* happened, lol whats wrong with people
So this is the power of a real neet.

>>115147961
In that alternate timeline, Niji management would have forced her to be part of the Black Screen Stream (if not host it), thereby earning her the ire of the entire vtubing community, and being unable to deal with the aftermath, graduate and disappear from vtubing like Ike did

>>115146306
>>And in hindsight she regrets it
lol you wish

Most of you fags have nothing better to do than shit on some girl online who's going through it. Wish this site would just stay fucking dead

>>115148985
maybe the girl shouldn't post her ''problems'' online
at this point minto should be a millionaire its hard to feel anything for her, she can g cry in her pile of cash,

>>115148985
isnt she always "going through it" tho? maybe vtubing is not meant for her

>>115149037
2view seethe lmaooo

>>115148985
She's crying about stuff that many vtubers wish they could cry about, maybe stop white knighting for a greedy menhera attention whore, mintcuck

>>115148985
Most big chuubas have gone through worse, if anything Mint's playing on easy mode right now.

>>115142407
relatable

>>115149565
I don't think many vtubers wish they had her self-confidence issues

>>115148019
>2025 onward it has just been awful.
Same man. I tried to ignore the writing on the wall in late 2024, since I thought at the end of the day she would be about streaming the games and hanging out. The soul was quickly ripped out of things and I took my leave with my time.

>>115150364
You think the idolfag who appeared in 10 conventions in early 2024 (starting the same month she returned) would be all about "streaming games and hanging out"?

>>115150461
I thought she actually liked video games enough and being a vtuber in general. So yeah, I guess that's on me for thinking a woman could properly manage her time.

>>115137330
That's just called being a professional

I've seen this phenomena a lot over the past year. Fans are either loudly defensive when their chuuba streams very rarely in favor of "personal projects", while the fact remains that it cuts into streaming, engagement, and ultimately content. Fans also get loudly annoyed by the concept as well, but they're more likely to just leave since the vtuber isn't giving them the type of content they want anymore, and dealing with the toxic positivity fanbase doesn't help either. I think mint definitely has that type of divide. I wonder if there is going to be a type of vtuber crash in the western space eventually when all these vanity projects keep running the vtuber in the red in both time and money.

>>115151961
We're already there. While some blame can be held with the state of the world, there's still some that comes on the girls for constantly whining about how much their songs, MV's, 3ds, etc cost when those weren't even THAT huge of a thing for the biggest of Vtubers back before covid. Now every single release in any shape or form becomes a begathon because they can't recoup any of it in a meaningful way because a majority of their fans just don't give a shit about the music beyond 'supporting the girl they like'. The reason why it continues to work for talents who're heavily subsidized by Japanese and won't for the west is because their tolerance for it is much lower and people have never really had the 'middling idol' supportive mentality in the west. The singing and dancing portion doesn't mean shit to them.

>>115148019
3.0 was such a downgrade but it's not like that zapped her natural talents
can't imagine pandering to lolicons got her burnt out like saba either considering how much crazy shit mint has done in her past
probably is the fact she's accomplished all she can do and is growing more existential about the future, but she is one of only a few talents who could easily survive the death of western vtubing
novel horizons going bust fucked with her circle in particular, which makes me wonder if there's shit we don't know related to that

>>115131234
Anon I do not follow Mori but even I understood she worked for it. Hell she almost fucked up until JP side of Holo fixed up her career by helping her out. She improved after dropping trash twste for example and the EN crowd she hanged out with in Japan.

>>115148019
2024 Mint was peak because it was fresh and a brave new world. Oh? she is traveling with Matara and doing a podcast? fuck yeah
She is doing 3D concerts with Phase, and then with Dokibird? This rules.
Now it is just too much. Sponsors, concerts, opportunries etc there are too many of them than none of them matter now because they all blend together. and it is just back and forth and back and forth on trips and projects and sickness it all blows.

>>115131439
So? Doesnt mean she is guaranteed Minto is old and busted when you compare her with others

>>115134770
Anon was right she behaves exactly like Sayu.

>>115152280
>Old and busted
>FWMC made it
Anon...

>>115152306
comparing mint to sayu is like comparing the miracle on the hudson to 9/11

Then the reality is that Hololive was right to bail on the EN scene. If you focus on idols EN is not where it is at. People do not pay for merch or concerts to justify the effort. 1000x worst for an Indie EN idol.

>>115152158
>she is one of only a few talents who could easily survive the death of western vtubing
Hwo so?
She is just as fucked as most of the big indies if even half her regular viewers fuck off. Vtubing is her one and only avenue of kinda fulfilling her idol dreams and that’s only possible because she’s a decently successful streamer.

I know they’re very good friends but do you think she resents kiara every now and then for getting the spot in myth? they both applied for it and they both fill the same niche, white woman wanting to do idol shit who can speak japanese. honestly could’ve been either one of them.

>>115154010
Shut the fuck up

>>115154010
Nah. I think the glory days of Holo are over and EN chuubas need to stick together. It's going to be a tough grind

>>115152079
The concert bit is kinda what chaps my ass at this point. You're a virtual youtuber. The karaoke is the concert. Just do those. You will get much more in supas than you will get in venue profit cuts, if you got any at all.

>>115154942
>profits
why are you even here

>>115152158
>could easily survive the death of western vtubing
Could she? My impression is that she's not particularly well liked or even well known in Japan.

>>115139501
VSPO is VSPO, Niji also hired ex Brave, it's different. The Luna hiring from ancient times already caused a shitstorm that dragged on for years.

>>115154942
>but I want to be a real idol singing on a stage!!!
boy I can't imagine where she could've done that without sparing major expenses in her savings.

Did she melt down on stream or on X The Everything App? What happened?

>>115152158
>novel horizons going bust fucked with her circle in particular, which makes me wonder if there's shit we don't know related to that
The only person in her circle who had any business with Novel Horizons was Matara, and even then it was for old merch that had already been fulfilled years ago. Nobody else in her circle (Phoebe, Vicky, Doki, Laimu, Snuffy, Nimi, etc) had any connection to NH.

>>115157333
>Nobody else in her circle (Phoebe, Vicky, Doki, Laimu, Snuffy, Nimi, etc) had any connection to NH.
To be fair, you can't know if they were working on something that hadn't released yet.
>>115155622
You'd be surprised. She's actually decently recognized, but mostly among idols and vtubers. It's actually kind of incredible how many of her idols from back in the day ended up knowing her and then giving her their contact info while she was in japan.
Like half the girls she mentioned in her original debut from 2020 have given her their direct contact info.

>>115157067
both? she talked about it on stream and tweeted

>>115157463
Grooming chika idols isn't the same thing as having meaningful industry connections or a fanbase that could be leveraged into regular 3D content and shows.

>>115154229
>EN chuubas need to stick together
Where is this feeling of "EN Vtubing is dying" coming from? Do young zoomers and alpha kids hate chuubas that much?

>>115148985
Yeah, I always regret coming back here. Mint has consistently been one of the most entertaining women in the hobby for as long as she's been doing it, but there are always a couple dozen shitheads in the wings ready to tear her and everyone like her down.

>>115159150
The Streamer Awards and Tiktok culture in general point to Yes.
Fine by me. I hated children even when I was one. Let them rot.

>>115159150
NTA but some people are saying that because
>2024: NijiEN killed itself in the west with the black screen stream
>2025: Vshojo imploded because of unsustainable business model that led to stolen charity money
>2026: Cover merged HoloEN into the main branch

>>115159150
the biggest vtuber corpo in the west literally merged their EN branch to the JP HQ because of how unsustainable the EN market is

>>115130474
>things happen at any normal workplace every single day
95% of the things that happen at normal workplaces are complete nothing burgers that are overblown by a combination of neurotics and bored workers with too much time on their hands.

>>115159859
but the teenage girl drama that happens in vtubing is super serious

>>115159827
So JP corpo vtubing is dying in the west.
Probably for the best since they refuse to adapt in any way and are actively hostile to the western audience, refusing to even find ways to reduce shipping prices.
They tried nothing and are all out of ideas, go figure.

>>115160403
>refusing to even find ways to reduce shipping prices
blame the orange turd for that

>>115159827
Is the reason solidly confirmed by now? We technically don't know if it will actually be a good things last I heard. I don't recall if EN having low numbers was part of the equation, I thought it was so all management teams were on the same page.

>>115160371
Entertainment is just different for a bunch of reasons and sometimes their teenage girl drama moves a lot of money so it gets more attention

>>115160403
>find ways to reduce shipping prices.
How could they even do that?

>>115160461
Dunno, but literally every other JP hobby store has found a way to ship a figure or plush without it costing an extra 100 fucking dollars

>>115159150
The popular EN tubers quit and nobody is really taking their place. Mint is one of the biggest english tubers now and her audience didn't grow.

>>115160371
Yes, because they are entrepreneurs who work in a field where a lot of it is interpersonal relationships.

>>115161385
>reacting to other people's videos and playing games is being an entrepreneur
lmao

>>115130233
>menhera this
>menhera that
>he/she/we/they menhera
i dont thing /vt/posters know what menhera means.

>>115130627
nah, for minto its always anal that's the cure. see >>115130912

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>>115159607
>NijiEN killed itself
Uhhhh If I remember correctly NijiEN is still listed on their official website.

>>115130749
It still baffles me how she can write such awful bridges and rhymes and still get work

>>115161792
Phase is a bigger corpo than Niji EN it has killed itself.

>>115159827
>>115160403
giga retard.

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>>115144744
>zoomer terms
Google searches for "brainworms" peaked during the start of the Great Recession. It's OK to admit that you hadn't noticed a term until now, anon.

>>115159150
>Where is this feeling of "EN Vtubing is dying" coming from?
Hololive

>>115130474
Whenever I'm in a bad mood at work I just sit at my desk and avoid interacting with people for 8 hours. I don't have to pretend to be in high spirits and entertain people.

>>115136117
That case even went to court at the time.

>>115142403
This is true for any vtuber, no matter how hard you try at the end of the day your success depends on how deep the pockets of guys who want to be your boyfriend are.

>>115162406
Hololive being bitches about the 'scene dying' are just them waking up to the fact they were fakes for over the last year now. They didnt support the EN branch financially enough during tariff times or even bought online concert tickets.
The buy in for a Hololive quality concert is too high.

>>115130233
she got rejected by cover again

>>115162374
lmao bro

>>115162406
Holo wasn't even part of the "scene" since they rarely interact with anyone in the western vtubing community.

I want to nut in Mint's butt

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>>115162468
>The buy in for a Hololive quality concert is too high.

>>115130233
she needs dick, mine specifically

>>115130580
There are a bunch that made it big at 18 or 19 (or even while underage). I don't think the majority were neets like this place claims though. Underachiever burger flippers for sure, though.

>>115162502
Ironically, the western vtubing community is going to be fine because they don't have to deal with shareholders like Holo does.
Hell, even Vshojo dying didn't do much since the members that left kept pretty much everything going themselves.

>>115162468
Literally Holo's fault for making shit inaccessible to the people they were trying to get money from.

>>115162509
Based

>>115162502
Correct, and that's why holoen is dead. Numbertrannies are conflating holoen with the actual western vtubing scene, which holoen was never part of and that's why cover closed it and the few that plan on remaining wnet full mask off and tryhard pathetically pandering to japs.
On the other hand the real western vtubing audience is doing better than ever. It survived the implosion of vshojo which was basically the heat death of universe for it, which means it will survive anything.

>>115164882
>real western vtubing
You mean catty bitches cyberbullying each other? Yeah, of course dramafags like (You) would prefer this state of affairs where every other day it's some twitch indie bullshit.

>>115164973
uh oh holotranny melty
go back to watching daily kiara melties about the absolute state of hololive KWAB

>>115130233
Good. Suicide stream when?

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This is karma for betraying her NijiEN friends and siding with dookieshit. Meanwhile notRosemi remained faithful and is happy hanging out with NijiEN IRL and streaming whatever she wants.

>>115130233
Funny how she's almost as mentally ill as her friend Kiara

>>115166353
Kiara may be menhera but at least she's disciplined enough to stick it out in Hololive.

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>>115148985
>>115149046

>>115168018
>using her chat for emotional support instead of her boyfriend
Idol culture works that way too, I guess

>>115168067
Should it though? There is of course times for when the fans can emotionally support their idol through some tough spots, but Mint is ALWAYS in a rough patch. Well congrats abloos, you got your authentic girl experience.

>>115165784
Miki just does whatever, she doesn't hate NijiEN but I can't remember when she even acknowledged them or hinted towards older members. She just seems to be living her own life at her own pace, and that's okay.

>>115168341
I hate to say it but Mint/Pomu have been the manic pixie girl experience for better or worse. Her self esteem has always been pretty low.

>>115168341
I think that's fine if you know what type you are getting into. I don't think someone like subaru should do that even if she was going through a rough patch. Maybe a tweet for the people that are obsessive

>>115168875
well that goes without saying, since subaru's boyfriend (me) gives her plenty of emotional support.

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>>115130654
She worked at wal-mart by her own admission but I can't say if she was ever a Nep.

>>115138152
I called out a shitty agency for doing just that in another thread and three people told me to kill myself so I don't know if that is a common thinking among Asians.

>>115165784
Mint haters are butthurt nijiniggers, colour me shocked

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>>115169010
I like Mori but she isn't a Nep. In fact even for vtubers that acknowledge Neptunia like Mint, I can't think of many that ever played a Nep game.

>>115130654
Do you even know what a Nepo baby is?

>>115172758
To be fair I love Nep games but most of them are dogshit.
Like of the entire franchise, only really Re;birth3, 4 Goddesses Online, and VII are decent gameplay experiences. MAYBE the Sega Hard Girls one too, but that's debatable.

I still played nearly all of them because the writing is incredible, but the gameplay quality is consistently bad...

>>115130392
She used to do this as Pomu to. Just her menhera but she is smart enough to just let everyone know and not make a scene.

>>115157463
>She's actually decently recognized, but mostly among idols and vtubers. It's actually kind of incredible how many of her idols from back in the day ended up knowing her and then giving her their contact info while she was in japan.
How does that help her draw crwods to wathc her do idol stuff once vtubing blows up?

>>115130654
Actual nepo hires: Bae, Sana, Irys, Enna, Claude, Shu, Kotoka, Meloco, Jurard (self admitted)
The nepohire gets in because they're friends of existing talents or managers. They usually don't respect or value the position, since they didn't truly work for it in the firrst place. And they have management going way out of their way to run defense for then or shill for then despite not deserving it or being a low earner.

>>115174207
>Jurard (self admitted)
To this day I don't understand why the fuck he decided it was a good idea to openly brag about being given the answers to the "exam" live on stream. That could have easily gotten the both of them fired.
Also who were Bae and Claude's nepo entrances?

>>115174294
NTA but Claude was part of the same Twitch group as Elira, Shu, Uki

>>115174294
Claude was best buddies with Elira. He gets hired and immediately abandons his wave to go hang out with Elira and Shu. Then his entire wave graduated in his absence.

>>115174385
>immediately abandons his wave to go hang out with Elira and Shu
Well but that was kind of 50-50 wasn't it? Its not like the two girls proved to have an iron will precisely even if they were handed a rough start. Claude could maybe have done more to include them in his friend group but from the sounds of it they weren't corpo material at least at the time. It doesn't help that TTT had such a dry launch and they were the hardest hit wave from the Selen Shokku.

>>115130233
BLACK COMPANY

>>115174441
He straight up lied to everyone and said he talked to them yesterday and they weren't graduating, don't worry....etc. 1 day later the graduation announcement was posted. In reality he hadn't talked to them in months, he'd been hanging around with Shu and Elira, participating in Luxiem events, getting included in a bunch of merch and collab opportunities they were denied. He didn't even think about them or care about them at all

>>115174498
Dang well that is kinda shitty if true.

>>115174294
>To this day I don't understand why the fuck he decided it was a good idea to openly brag about being given the answers to the "exam" live on stream. That could have easily gotten the both of them fired.
Likely because there is no "exam." Job interviews don't have some mythical multiple choice test where if you answer that you'd want exactly 3 plushies you're instantly hired. At best he got some audition tips that you could find on google.
I'll never understand why that point specifically gets SEA so upset. Have you never had a job interview or taken an audition before?

>>115174535
NTA but after vivis graduation announcement, allegedly claude was whining in members about how his anniversary plans were now screwed because he expected her to be there

>>115174173
It doesn't while being a vtuber. Kayfabe is too powerful and if you haven't noticed many vtubers are letting their side hustles like being idols, cosplayers, and voice actors out more with many more going flesh. Many can't support Mint more because they don't know her side hustles and the fans don't help.

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>>115131200
>Just put the streams in the bag.
I have the same thoughts on this. She seems very well liked, has a beautiful voice, seemingly has a lot of great things going for her, she has an infinite amount of people who will back her up with anything, she has a nice fat ass, and she regularly goes on vacations multiple times throughout the year.

Maybe I'm the fucking retarded cunt here, but why is she so sad? Go play some video games or something. I think a reality that many vtubers need to face is that their big projects aren't as important to fans as a normal stream.

>>115175334
Who knows? She may know something she doesn't want to tell us. If that's the case I hope it doesn't blow up into a controversy. No debt, no company issues, no lld's, no fights with others, and of course hope we aren't getting manipulated. Maybe she is tired from working all the time? She has been hitting the concert scene and going to cons a lot and traveling to Japan for the what, 4th time this year? Not to mention she has been doing voice work and merch deals. She could be burning out, maybe a midlife crisis, maybe wants out?

Take the good with the bad.

>>115174914
I see what you mean but the way Jurard said it 100% gave the impression that he got so much insider info to the point it gave him an advantage over other applicants. It's one of the big things that people who dislike Holostars bring up about him other than the hate marketing.

>>115175334
It's a mystery to you and me both.
>Go play some video games or something. I think a reality that many vtubers need to face is that their big projects aren't as important to fans as a normal stream.

Part of the problem probably is they don't feel like they can play the games they want. Call it a shitty theory at this point, but the bigger vtubers are probably terrified of streaming a "debuff" game as far as the algorithms are concerned. Which is a fucking shame since I'd rather watch someone experience something new to them and give their commentary on it than just stream the same fucking streamerbait slop every month.

>>115175749
I remember seeing that clip and not really.
At most it implied he and Ollie knew each other pre-holo, but seriously what possible "insider info" would matter in an audition like this?
Hell, do people really think a mid-tier ID had any kind of pull or insight into the EN male auditions beyond, "yeah just relax, bring a resume, and prepare for generic job questions?"

>>115130233
>Mint melty
kek

>>115176201
Past a certain point, is being a numberfag even desireable? People like Mint can live comfortably for the rest of their lives just from the passive income from the investments from their stream income savings, her viewership could drop to 2-view status and she'd still be set no matter what. And doesn't she go on an on about wanting an intimate, personal experience with her fanbase? Attracting tourists by playing FOTM seems antithetical to that goal.

>>115180337
>is being a numberfag even desireable?
Youtube's analytics page pushes numberbraining almost unintentionally. It sounds silly but for some Youtubers its almost like a matter of self esteem or pride if they see their numbers fluctuate a lot. Some handle it better than other but the algorithm is kinda good at making you feel like shit if you ignore its "suggestions".

>>115180337
>Attracting tourists by playing FOTM seems antithetical to that goal.
Not that I don't agree with that, we also have to consider that a portion of her audience DO enjoy that trash because the streamerbait games have basically become expected, and enjoyable to them. It's a really strange situation where there is no clear answer without being able to poll the opinion of a good sample of the watchers. How many are watching because it's their oshi? How many would rather see them play something else but don't feel like they can give that feedback? How many have given up on seeing something different? How many actually like it?

>>115176201
>Call it a shitty theory at this point, but the bigger vtubers are probably terrified of streaming a "debuff" game as far as the algorithms are concerned.
It's not a theory. That's pretty much how it works. Long games, especially JRPGs, tend to be numbers poison if your channel isn't dedicated to them, as well as old games that weren't massive hits.
In theory, you'd want to stick to consistent FOTM if you want to grow, unless you're banking on going viral.

>>115180558
JRPGs i get, since a lot of them are rough to watch. I love some of those games, but they are not very entertaining for an audience and make conversational engagement tough. Some people with an established audience and steady growth have the opportunity to make an off series of longer games, but most choose not to.

>>115176201
>is they don't feel like they can play the games they want.
Of course they cant cause women dont actually enjoy videogames.
They arent men they arent putting hours into their game of choice off stream. Its a rarity for them to play anything off stream unless the games off limit for perms.
Even if they had that one game they actually liked you say stuff like this.
>I'd rather watch someone experience something new to them

>>115180605
Honestly it's not so much JRPGs being hard to watch as them just being too long.
Youtube viewers HATE seeing part 35 of a series because they believe that if they haven't seen parts 1-34, there's no point in watching. You can actually mitigate it slightly by just not numbering things.

This debuff doesn't exist at all on Twitch, though, as the community is used to being randomly jettisoned into a stream mid-game. It's a much better idea to play long games on Twitch for a growing channel and just upload the vods separately so it doesn't poison the main youtube one.

>>115180651
>They arent men they arent putting hours into their game of choice off stream. Its a rarity for them to play anything off stream unless the games off limit for perms.
What are you talking about? Male streamers have constantly talked about streamer brain and how it's almost impossible to enjoy most games offstream because in the back of their brain, all they can think is, "I could've been streaming this."

>>115180717
>"I could've been streaming this."
Yea for content to make money. Not cause they actually enjoy the game.
Thats my whole point. You say theres a game they want to play. That game doesnt exist. They just want to play whatever gets them paid cause they dont actually enjoy the game itself. Dont take it to extremes where you think im saying none of them can have fun when streaming a game but its not what they wanted to do.

>>115181075
Many chuuba girls are nerds themselves. My oshi was a League player and was clearly familiar with the game.

>>115181075
You're missing the point.
It's extremely common for streamers to stop being able to enjoy games offline because they can't turn that streamer mode in their brain off. Any game you play offline is a missed opportunity.

not my problem