>nukes Sinder's career>destroys her friendships>gets destroyed by the guilt herselfhttps://x.com/Nanoless_/status/2104096452674768953
>>115137961Now how will the public react.
Her models are overrated anyway.
just a retard apologizing to another retard
>should never have defamed youDid she get a threat?
>>115137961who cares? everyone knows Sinder’s a bitch for copying Silver while getting railed by RED
>>115137961>IF SHE BREATHS SHE IS A THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
teehee sorry I'm just esl girl
>>115137961Probably finally saw Bao's, SIlver's and Shilily's true colors behind the scenes.
>>115137961See the thing is Sinder will never do an apology like this because unlike Nano, she's incapable of guilt or shame.
>>115137961Well I guess it's official, Sinder won.
>>115137961Drama round 3 will be:>I didn't write this, I got hacked by a sinderfag
>>115137961I thought she was forever commision schedule by 2 of the biggest indies? oh wait one of them started show face and other one started pandering to zoophile poopy diaper freaks
>>115138304Yikes
new merch up!lol
>>115138304>other one started pandering to zoophile poopy diaper freakslink?
>>115138348Isn't that vague quote shylily and her furry model. Not sure about poop diaper part.
>>115138157This
Everyone involved in this drama was a massive cunt, but it was funny watching retards try and defend both sides
>>115137961Who? I'm a holochad
>>115137961really bitch?
This seems out of the blue. Did vei's return and her endorsing sinder disturb the hierarchy within whoreclan?
>>115138438she debuted with a video about being potty trained..
>>115137961even an illiterate unsociable retard like me knew it was all nanoless' doing misunderstanding is the least of mans worries it seems
do you think sinder blackmailed that person into making that tweet
>>115138468Yeah, that the fair take. Even with Nano's apologies, there's no reason to act like Sinder was this poor victim, bitch knew how deep the whole her boyfriend and her had dug, it was going to eventually come out their actions and they needed a much deserved ego check. Bao, Lily and Nano were massive cunts too, not by exposing it to the air, but rather their heavy handed commentary and eventual seek to equally damage Sinder beyond repair.This is a let bygones be bygones situation that was expected, no real damage beyond some pity squabble was done, so all can go back to a semi normal scenario.
Do you think she's deathly afraid of massive AI advances? I think she is, after all she is still in Brazil lmao, she knows her days are numbered
>>115138438Furries and diapers are inseparable
>>115138674Realistically? Yeah. Or at least guilt tripped the fuck out of them. Just another case of a battered woman running back to her abuser, sadly.
>>115138574are you for fucking real anon, link that crap please
>>115138273Yeah, ngl, I'm doing the math on this, and either she got hacked, or there's stuff we didn't know and Nano just decided to be the first VTuber in history to own up to her own mistakes.
>>115138688Nah, this is all on nano. Red may have went along with nano's idea that she be sinder exclusive, but he's not the one that suggested she just cancel all her commissions cold turkey. She did that on her own.
>>115137961it really took a year and a half for her to write this?
>>115138712she didnt bother to upload it to her youtubefuck you https://x.com/shylilytwitch
>>115137961I've been saying it since the first day, that whole Sinder drama was made up and the core person that caused it was Nanolesss that was playing 6 sides with different vtubers trying to maxx out money for her models.Whore clan cucks will have a massive melty when even the "victim" Nano admits the whole drama was way overboard and fake lmao. Wonder what they will spam now whenever Sinder is mentioned. At least Bao completely fucked off from vtubing.
>>115138802>Nano just decided to be the first VTuber in history to own up to her own mistakes.The girl's a mess, so likely this. Not even the first time she's made a statement like this, so it's clearly hitting her hard. I'd bet Sinder was slamming her in DMs after everything went down, if not threatening her directly.
>>115138523My guess is that now when Bao ditched vtbuing, Vei and Vienna openly support Sinder on twitter by praising her tweets and Sinder managing to return and stream just fine (instead of collapsing and never coming back as I assume it was intended) Nano connected some dots and decided that being hardline Sinder anti will affect her business (of making vtuber models / art) so she came up with public apology to Sinder out of nowhere.
>>115137961>New merch available btw!I wonder why
never trust a foid
>Sorry for ruining your entire online presence teeheeWomen are so fuckin weird man...
>>115137961Damn still I think out of all the girls that got fucked in thisSilver and Numi did fuck all in this Silver Cause she was getting harassed by Sinder a lot. And Numi for just being a shit friend. Is there anyone else?The rest fucked up big. But honestly at this point the deed is done no one cares beside twitter fags and the schizos
>>115139036Several girls like Spite kept getting harassed because their models were wolves which was "too similar" to Sinder's, and Sinder kept trying to manipulate people into letting her get close to Silver. The whole convincing to cancel someone's model while then DM'ing them with "oh no! I was looking forward to it" is shit I wouldn't expect outside of a movie.
>>115139036>>115139070What are you retards talking about, silvervale was revealed to be a fake nice girl that was happy to play a role in sinder's cancellation.
>>115137961Should've posted something similar a year ago instead of half-assed crying in her discord hugbox. Now it all feels like Nano wants people to continue associating her with Sinder (and her models) without actually getting in touch. Nah not buying a word
>>115139070Oh i forgot about spite. I know she is doing well now at least.Either way besides those three everyone fucked up hard This shit should have been private. but you know women.>>115139084I mean if you have the proof to show that, then sure Ill change my opinion. But i just remember her being too obsessed with being wolf sisters with her.
>>115137961So was the backroom pressuring thing real in the first place? Why apologize if you were the victim?
https://x.com/wiccanistVT/status/1948022159504273559Nanoless is still hiding some shit.
>>115139104Hey Guilt can do a lot to someone mental. It hard. Prob just had to build up courage or some BS
>>115139104>it all feels like Nano wants people to continue associating her with SinderIt's almost as if Sinder hasn't had time to change that oh wait I wonder why, big tits sell and Nanos as the mama of Sinders big tits is an established brand at this point.The one thing Sinder has going for her is we know she has massive milkers irl unlike at least half of the whoreclan
>>115139121females don't feel guilt. there was some external factor forcing her to do this.
If Sinder gets another big titty model from Nano I wouldn't mind.
>>115139114>Ugly as fuck model>Sounds like a manDo people actually watch this?
>>115137961Sinder is not a good person
Big breasted women cannot be evil. Flat chested "women" on the other hand...
>>115139251Sinder came out looking like a saint compared to the other mean girls involved in this bullshit.
>>115139218On the one hand, werewolves are hot. On the other hand, yeah, she just moans into the microphone constantly and licks Mouse's ass on the daily, so that's why people watch her.
>>115139284its pretty grim when you consider what got out of sinder was pretty much the "worst" of her, and what came out of the other girls was naturally the "best" since the worst is always hiddenrotten medium
>>115139324its funny out of EVERYONE here. Red the mastermind came out unscathed. Dude was pulling the strings for her
>>115139284Not at all. She's still just as much of a grifter bitch as always
>>115139284No, she really, really didn't.
>>115139347yeah but she now has the austin gang supporting her because vei
That entire situation showcased on a massive scale how every non-corpo/non-professional content creator is a hyena ready to chew left and right then spit it back. Makes me wonder how many of those wouldn't post anything online if they couldn't get paid. However I believe that everyone whoreclan and those adjacent to them should've been exposed for being massive cunts.
>>115139284Nobody actually thinks this. Who are you even trying to fool?
Correct me if I'm wrong but when everyone was piling up on Sinder Tricky could only come up one thing to complain about: 'Sinder and Red left me alone in the hotel room when we were in Japan and went out by themselves once, I was so sad and mad that they left me alone'
>>115139284Everyone involved in her cancellation came out looking all slimy and cutthroat, but Sinder was still outed as a bitch and a shitty friend.
>>115139338red was just a hapless male in a den of foids. His sin was being too friendly with nano.
>>115139324Vtubing needs to have a culture shift. People can't just go around being protected from the consequences of their own actions anymore. It is legit starting to feel like people aren't vtubers because they're ugly irl, but because they've got skeletons in their closet that would come out if people knew their identities, so they're all forced to hide behind their models. Then again, it could also just be a consequence of them all being women.
>>115139347>>115139351>>115139371Sinder got revealed to be business brained and saw everything in terms of how it could make her money or grow her brand. The rest of them got revealed as scheming cunts that conspired to get someone canceled and remove business opportunities from them.
>>115139114>Coordinated a smear campaign before the dropWhat if I told you vedal knew and made neuro ask sinder about questions relating to this before the doccy during their trolley collab. just so he could say "look it's like she knew isn't that weird guys" when she brings up betraying friends randomly.
>>115137961This bitch is a cuntSinder is a fat cuntBao is a fat cuntall parties should be hung, and you're all gay as hell for blogging about this shit
>>115139492Based post
>Bao no longer funding models 24/7 because she prefers to stream irl and read doujjins on fansly>Shylilly prefers other artists>Numi prefers other artistsThis bitch is so shameless lmao. Probably hoping Sinder books her for another set of models.
Nano looks like a spineless wimpShylily, the person least effected by Sinder, looks highly suspiciously in that she coerced Nano and others into joining her takedown attemptBao didn't really do anything bad but she's fucked off from vtubing so no one cares about her anymoreSilvervale legitimately doesn't like Sinder but is otherwise completely uninvolved in everything else and just comes across as kind of weirdSinder still backstabbed Bao while pretending to be her friend, but other than that not much else stuck
>>115139428Sinder also got revealed to have a bf who was dicking her down every night while giving you 'single girl tries to seduce you'' asmr.You cucks sticking by her are the definition of cuckolds.
>>115139375> People can't just go around being protected from the consequences of their own actions anymore. That’s a major part of modern liberal ideology; whatever a protected victim class does is someone else’s fault and so someone else has to intervene and accept the consequences. And in some ways women in general are the most able to engage in this behavior for many reasons, like because we’ve got such a simp problem enabling them.
>>115139367I think this.
>>115139561>Sinder also got revealed to have a bfOh yeah. I honestly forget some people still care about shit like that on the western side.
>>115137961>OH NO I'M GETTING THE MUCH DESERVED BACKLASH ONCE EVERYONE REALIZED HOW SCUMMY I WAS IN THIS SHITSHOW!>deploy the fakeapology Everyone involved in this whoreclan civilwar is shit, but the fact that this bitch was about to houdini out of any consequences was the biggest joke of all.
I think I'll give sinder a watch someday soon. can't let the other whores win.
>>115139594based nice guy. you make her laugh in chat he makes her cum, win/win.
>>115139683I actually don't feel sexual attraction toward vtubers I watch. irregardless of that, do you guys think you have a shot of getting with your oshi or something?
>>115139660Meh I will too Still gonna watch silver and Numi. Tbh I don't really care for Lily so meh
>>115139725>I actually don't feel sexual attraction toward vtubers I watch.anon pls. not even that guy but you don't watch sinder/bao/numi unless you want to fuck them. 70% of their content is coombaiting
>>115139772Is it weird to say I think bao model is hot and her actual face is Asian hot
>>115139772Do you care if a stripper or a porn actress has a boyfriend?
>>115139772>you don't watch sinder/bao/numiYou're right, I don't.
>>115139105>i just remember her being too obsessed with being wolf sistersCorrect but Silver, hesitant to personally reject Sinder, did a poor job of setting up boundaries, so the latter was trying all options available. It's also worth mentioning her mods, and quite possibly other people, were told otherwise.A prime example would be how Silver, for no apparent reason, explicitly allowed discord dms – to someone who's supposedly "uncomfortable to interact with" – only to later complain about these in doc.
>>115139802So honestly silver just failed to establish a boundary and knowing her back then she's was more introverted. I swear vtubers need to get some thick skin and say you don't like shit
>>115139772>70% of their content is coombaitingthat's an understatement, more like 85-90%
>>115139900Huh never knew Numi did that cause all i watch is her yapping and listening to music
well I see it like this, I've wasted more seed to Sinder in the past year than I have Lily, Bao, Nano and Silver so that means Sinder won and was always innocent. Had you asked me just 1 year ago when Silver still streamed once a month and Bao still streamed once a fiscal quarter things might be different.
wait a minute, i only watch hololive!
>>115139945Too be fair Silver lost her brother this year and that that shit broke her. People have been trying to Force her to come to cons to distract her
Cool, now tell me why anyone who isn't a woman would give a shit
>>115139992Yeah I understand why she's been gone this year ever since that happened but I won't pretend like she was a consistent streamer before that happened either
>>115139947Based corpocuck
>>115140039Okay fair on that part. I just wish she would stream again soon but loosing a sibling hurts like all hell. So that will take months
>>115139428>The rest of them got revealed as scheming cunts that conspired to get someone canceled and remove business opportunities from them.that is literally what sinder was doing behind the sceneskind of poetic it got brought into the light
I am the money makerThe tit shakerShylily is nothing but a shit taker
>>115137961Sinder is still a cunt.
>>115137961>biggest indie dramaDoki mogs these nobodies
>>115138674No. Nano fear Sinder because she no longer have reliable backing. Sinder most likely relish in schadenfreude, but this is basically preemptive defense by Nano just in case Sinder is feeling vengeful.Bao semi-retired, Vienna and Vei sided with Sinder, and Nano knew she can't rely on Shylily the backstabber.>>115139251>>115139284Sinder is terrible, but the rest of mean girls singled her out as the one true villain. It makes them more scummy, including Nanoless.
>>115140267Nah, Selen counted as corpo drama and random vultures bouncing off Doki's armor doesn't really count as big drama.
>>115140312Funny enough silver is friendly with tricky and veinna irl now
>watching ANY of the indies involved in this on either sideNo thanks
>>115139572Sounds more like MAGA projecting the fact that they never take any personal accountability and just cry about liberals
>>115139558>Bao didn't really do anything badThat conniving bitch was the spearhead of the whole thing you disingenuous dick. The fuck you mean she didn't go anything bad?
>>115140928I thought that was Shylily, or does that depend on the narrative you are trying to sell?
>>115137961*sigh*What Sinder ripoff is Shylily debuting this time?
>>115139802This is basically a chicken's way of saying "fuck off".
>>115137961Daily reminder to NEVER trust a word a woman says. The stuff that comes out of their mouth is nothing but pure emotion, their feelings at that exact moment that she's saying it. Nothing based in facts or reality. Women just say things.I hate you, I love you, you raped me, I was manipulated, drugged... All lies 99% of the time. Pure fiction and fabrications in her head.
>>115140928Bae's the only one Sinder really did screw over. Shylily organized the whole thing to get Sinder.
>>115137961This whole sordid story happened because this bitch didn't flop her dick out onto the table and request a boatload of cash in return for an exclusivity agreement. All it should have ever been was her asking herself if she is willing to work exclusively for someone and if so if Sinder is offering enough money. That is it, but instead she chose to go along with it without signing anything and then felt trapped because the money wasn't enough while also not being assertive enough to back out of it. Women have a magical ability to make their emotions other people's problem. The whole mess was negotiation done by children who can't control their emotions and then ran to get validation from strangers online. If either of them just acted like they were conducting business instead of baking patty cakes this stupid public who-is-the-biggest-bitch competition could have been avoided. I fucking hate people like this.
>>115141193I mean Sinder could have just said "we'll sign an exclusivity agreement with you and pay you, go ahead and finish up whatever models you have in the queue then we'll start". Or Nano could have proposed that.
>>115139530It's obvious the money is running low ever since new commissions started to dry up a few months after the whole dramaHubby is probably already trying to get another contract with Red like last time
>>115141235Yes exactly, but that would have been much too reasonable for them to consider.
>>115141176>Nanoless admits being responsible. >Nuuuu it's still Sinder trust!You lost foid.Keep seething.
>>115137961Where are the anons who were sucking her dick like 3 days ago? I told you retards, this bitch was involved and now lily will get her too
>>115142182LOL LOL LOL BROTHER! I bet that shylily money had dried out for her to come out to say "i'm sorry". Bitch got greedy and now she will be a pariah.
Sinder stream in 19 minutes unless she cancels.
>>115142349she will not talk about it unless a lot of pyrocucks keep pushing it
Sinder is crying.Nano did apologize in private before and the public post was a surprise for her.
>>115139561Silvervale is hiding her bf. We know of this because of Soda, Vei's bf.
>>115139561Sinder abandoned asmr a long time ago, what are you talking about? She straight up told her fans to their faces that if they want her to call them good boys, they need to listen to her pre-vtubing asmr channel, which has been abandoned for years.
>>115137961This doesn't vindicate Sinder. She is still a fake vtuber who is just trying to squeeze her simps for money.
>>115143147... are you aware of how stupid you sounds right now?
>>115137961Why is she posting this message publically? Why isn't she telling Sinder this through her dms? This sounds like Nano is just begging everyone to keep hiring her to make models by saying "I'm sowwy"
>>115143190Wtf are you on about? Did I piss in your cereal or something?
>>115143223you described all vtubers and streamers out there, retard.
Why are there so many misogynists in this thread? You do realize you are posting on a board about discussions about female streamers right? Are you all tourists?
>>115142298You wish. Truth is Vtubers will still be falling over each other just for a crumb of a drawing from her for premium price because the ACTUAL HIGH QUALITY artist shortage is just that bad and this is why the VTubers are giving in to the appeal of AI step by step.
>>115143255Then why are you here if you believe all of them are fake?
>>115141173Take a shower, I can smell you from here.
>>115141777welcome to EN indie vtubing
>>115143283i watch streams anon and that's it
>>115137961I really don't care but somehow Nanoless apologizing over a year later makes me want her to suffer. Maybe I'm just being schizo.It makes me think of all the indies who dogpiled Sinder calling her artist exclusivity shit "pure evil." All the big indies are fucking cunts for that even if it's just in their woman code to gang up for the sake of consensus.It is funny that the most egregious thing Sinder did was be weirdly obsessed with Silvervale who kept telling her to leave her alone but I just found out Silver hasn't streamed for months so I guess that's why no one cares kek.
>>115143266I need to become a high quality artist yesterday. Have you seen the thousands they charge? Girls lap it up for a design from her.
>>115143582Is it really that weird she wanted to collab when both of them worked for Gamersupps? It's not like she did anything weird to Silver.
>>115142979Go on?
>Sorry I ruined your reputation and tanked your viewership that you're still struggling to recover>I'm just a girl teeheeWomen are fucking evil
>>115143121>Ever since Sinder got caught fucking a dude for years she's now decided to keep those intimate things just for him. We don't get that stuff anymore>We still watch and donate loyally btwDo pyrocucks actually listen to themselves or are you just too far gone?
>>115144109Perhaps it's best said they are chaotic.
>>115144245you know she has a onlyfans right? There is even a porn voiced by her
who and who?
>>115144245What part of my post suggested I was a pyrocuck? I knew Sinder was a fake before this all happened, I could tell just from her tone of voice alone.
>>115143462So you watch streams of people you think are fake? Do you also eat food you think is disgusting?
>bao is now resorting to IRL streaming>buffpup and the rest of vchiban are unbearable to watch|>sinder miraculously getting a redemption arc of sorts>shylily the only one unphased by all this>nano making things public again instead of just DMing Sinderwestern vtubing was a mistake
>>115144245The future irony of this post
>>115140915Goy thinks everyone on the right is MAGA
>>115144044To be fair she probably can't DM at all because Sinder blocked her everywhere lol
Nano DID message Sinder before all this. The public posts was a surprise for Sinder as well, at least that's what she said.
>>115144873*post
>>115144455anon as kid i watched WWE all the time and the only time i was worried about someone was when undertaker throw mankind of the cage and he actually bleed.This is not different, this is all a show, watch the show and move on.
>>115144873Seems more like situation, where she has now almost trapped sinder. If it was private none of us would know. Taking it to Xitter now everyones gonna bug sinder for a response.
>>115144586>shylily the only one unphased by all thisshylily is dead anon, still a good fap material but her relevance is below than niji girls at this point.
>>115145156that's every ligger
>>115137961Even Vienna apologizedhttps://x.com/viennavtuber/status/2104221352739971405
>>115145266ironically ironmouse is only getting bigger while the others fell off, even filian is gone now.
>>115145443>filianshe will come back and save EN vtubing
>>115145443Vei is doing pretty good for herself, so is Michi
>>115145511for some reason most of ex-vshojo are prospering by themselves, zen is doing okay too
>>115139561It's 2026 and you don't automatically assume every vtuber is married with kids?
>>115143196Well there was this big public cancel campaign where she slandered her reputation and such
>>115145657imagine lily face right now after all the shit she did and said during this drama lmao
>>115138179I dunno Bao, Nano, and Shylily pretty much admitted to making everything up to destroy her
>>115137961>successfully defame Sinder>try to financially ruin Sinder>try to bully her off of the internet >3 years later>yeah I'm sorry I did that, teehee. My bad.Holy fuck women are really something else. These chicks tried to ruin her years ago and are now just trying to be even bigger righteous virtue sigalers by positioning themselves as the "bigger man". If you're so fucking sorry, you would gift her a model or something. Making a tweet saying "i'm sowwy" after ruining someone is not a consolation.https://youtu.be/N1seyAkxO1s
>>115138802Guilt really eats away at people. They apologize not because they're honestly sorry for what they did, but because they want to be free from the guilt eating at them like an anxiety attack whenever they remember what they did.
>>115145413what did Vienna even do
>>115145751None of them "made anything up" they took real things, made them seem more dramatic than they were, and linked it all together
>>115145936They painted a picture ommitting context with the intent of making her out to be satan. I believe that falls under lying by misrepresentation
>>115145918Thats the question isn't it? How is Vienna involved in this
>>115145502Kinda like the Spacecat, shes able to watch 4chan memes without virtue signalling and actually reacts to the jokes.
>>115146028She was saying some mad shit about sinder because she was involved with bao, numi and lily... She was basically a "honorary whore".
>>115137961Where did all the /vt/fags go? 2 years ago this would be blowing up the catalog
>>115145899You also have to consider how everything turned out and the reason why she is even known. This is vtubing where art and models are treated like gold. The victim bounced back after the large smear campaign and is doing relatively well while the aggressors all left to do their own things leaving Nano by herself. You cannot ignore this when looking at her apology.
>>115145899women never feel guilt, they just feel their pocket getting empty
>>115146196just now you noticed this board is dead?
>>115137961>veibae comes back from a long hiatus last week>show love and support to Sinder>a lot of people questions why>today we get some crazy apology out of nowhereOh yeah, some shit is happening in the backstage.
>>115146287This indie vtuber scene is like watching a Mean Girls anime emerged into real life
>>115146302yeah this shit is better than watch wrestling
brazilian foids are all mentally ill btw
Forcing massive groups of women to interact with each other for years is inhumane. Women don't know how to built healthy environments. They'll end destroying each other.
>>115137961Where's the google dockey?
>>115146239No I’ve been noticing but no one ever answers
>>115146432it's not really a secret that most people migrated, jannies delete people when they talk about it but that is the status of this board and site.
>>115146514o7 anon.
Whats the status on the fan who burned all their sinder merch? Is he ok?
>>115146766hope he killed himself
>>115139947based and pebblepilled
The worst part is that now that Sinder has won, she will never flash her huge tits as an apology.
>>115147636The naked dogeza dream is dead, DEAD
nanoless needed this because filian commissioned hersolve the ARG to find out
>>115138674I honestly don't think so, from what I've read of the sinder dockey, nano is very impulsive and erratic so it wouldn't surprise me if it was genuine
>>115137961literally teenage girl drama lol. vtubers and artists need to get the fuck over themselves
>>115137961The pity sure backfired with Sinder returning and doing just fine. I can only assume Nano is now posting because she's the only person that actually lost in this threeway exchange.
>>115149316>because she's the only person that actually lost in this threeway exchange.Maybe because she actually had a conscience, but career wise? Doubt that. Apparently her comms are booked until 2028. She got so much work from all of this it's kind of incredible.
>>115137961I only loosely followed this drama but always felt like nano was the biggest bitch in the entire conflict because of how big artists in the field are often pretentious pieces of shit that feel untouchable
>>115138468I try to remain as neutral as possible because as you said, everyone involved were massive retards with the mentality of high schoolers, but it was very hard to not be biased against Shylily when from the very first day that the whole fiasco happened, she actively tried to steal Sinder's fanbase with a "woe is me" stream while everyone else in her clique admitted that it was a planned attack. If Sinder hadn't been such an idiot, just shut up and allowed things to calm down while writing an actual proper response to the accusations, then her fanbase would have barely been affected, but we're talking about people who think they're more famous than they really are just because they have a virtual persona with huge tits.Still, it must feel cathartic to Sinder watching everyone who joined the witch hunt just getting worse by the day. Bao became a vtuber persona non grata, Shylily is becoming more irrelevant and now Nano finally had to suck her pride up and admit she fucked up, meanwhile you go to a Sinder stream and she looks pretty content with her low 4view fanbase.
>>115149514It was Shylily. She was gloating the loudest despite being the least affected
>>115144245Why does Menace not know how to use her nude model properly? Watched one of her Fasly streams and it was just a react to MMD porn stream, but her naked. At least learn how Mel does it.
>>115149514Its one of those things that makes you think if you're the one going crazy or if everyone else is insane.>Yea I fucked over the other people commissioning me but it's not my fault, I was manipulated!Then she joins hands with the others in a crusade that makes no sense when you stop to think about it, because in the end she was still the one who didn't want to do Bao's commission.
>>115137961SINDER WON
>>115140915“Conservatives” like MAGA are controlled opposition liberals driving the speed limit. >>115144737Goys believe everyone must stay on one of the goy plantations with them.
>>115150757Holy deranged copium of pretending Trump is controlled by Liberals, when he is merely doing what Right-wingers always have done of pleasing the interests of their rich handlers
>>115151321>>115140915You know if it weren't for liberals promoting censorship of everything that offends them we wouldn't be in the clownworld we're currently in. I'll vote for whoever even claims they'll do something about the payment processors ruining everything, and so far only Trump has come out against them(verbally becuase he never does anything)
Nanoless is still a snake. Sinder is still shit. Both should be stoned to death.
>>115151411Holy shit you are really pretending you Right-wingers didn't start that with Puritanism, RUMAO you deranged weirdo bootlicker with zero grasp on actual reality
>>115151411Great vtuber discussion here
>>115145581While they were never my cup of tea, Vshojo girls did have quite a few good entertainers amongst themselves.
Kinda hard to tell who the biggest loser is between Nano, Bao or Spite.Sinder could have played this whole drama to her advantage. Just use the Fillian strat of ignoring the drama and disappear for a few weeks.Then just reappear and keep streaming like normal without dropping a doc herself.Would have probably saved more of her views that way.
>>115151692Thats my first reply to your bickering with the other anon. Point is I only see see "ewww loli vtuber", "nooo you can't say retarded", etc, from the pro censorship side and look where thats getting us. >>115151711Considering vtubers have to censor themselves from saying stuff and dance around with childish workarounds because of the current social meta of max political correctness and muh no-no words I felt the urge to chime into his discussion. Apparently bringing up valid criticism was more offensive than his "no u" argument with the other anon
>>115145581Well if your corpo does fuck all and steals your money, you learn to do a few things yourself I guess.
>>115151906>People are complaining about me saying retard this means I have to support Trump >VTubers have to dance around as Kirsche and several other VTubers can be openly fascist on YouTube with zero material consequencesHoly retarded made up victim complex justification
>>115151906Whining about "political correctness" in 2026, at least this comment made some attempt at connecting it back to vtubers unlike the previous one
>>115151906Whats the pro censorship side? The side that kicked journalists out that wouldn't print the lies they wanted?
>>115152087Curious how you don't care about his comments
>>115137961Its really funny how this whole thing should've just remained private. Legit everyone looks like shit afterwards.
>>115151711as much as I'm tired of this horseshit, vtubing is unironically poisoned by all of the horseshit american politics more than probably any other similar industryit's also an industry predominantly populated by womenjust saying.
>>115137961As someone who's only been half paying attention to this shit since the original Sinder google doc dropped, can I get QRD on this? >Sinder is revealed to be great satan, used her clout to scam some people and abused(?) her ex(?) boyfriend>Several of the girls who came out against Sinder have themselves been caught up in sketchy situations since the initial google docky drop >Nanoless who was a lynchpin in the initial drama bomb is basically apologizing for even letting this go public Am I getting this all right? Sinder bad, Shylily, Bao, Nanoless, bad and some other indies are sketchy looking, Sinder's cucks think this is a "win" because the people who exposed her also have skeletons in their closet/regret exposing her and the majority of her viewers chose not to drop her; Is that the gist?
>>115152677>>Sinder is revealed to be great satan, used her clout to scam some people and abused(?) her ex(?) boyfriendI think you're mixing the Deme one in there?
>>115152677>used her clout to scam some people and abused(?) her ex(?) boyfriendshit that never happened
>>115152084>Kirschie>Fascist Log off kraus you pedo
>>115152677>Sinder/manager asks Nano to become their exclusive artist.>Nano took on too many commissions and wants to drop Bao. They tell her to do what she wants.>Talks to Shylily who organizes an inquisition with her because Sinder/manager committed the iredeemable sin of asking to monopolize an artists and also shit talked other vtubers in private conversations.>Dump google doc omitting context on messages scapegoating Sinder for Nano not wanting to do Bao's commission(proven in counter doc), and acting like trying to employ her as an exclusive artist was vtuber genocide. Sprinkle on the private shit talk about other vtubers so people just see red as if it was relevant.>Silvervale has a stroke or some shit because she just jumped in to shoot herself in the foot.
>>115152677To make a very long story short, the main complaint of any worth outside of basically being a bad friend was that sinder and her manager/BF pressured nano into an exclusivity deal. Even within nano's doc, nano happily accepted the offer and promise of more income so that really didn't stand. Nano then proceeded to of her own accord start dropping her previous clients such as bao without finishing their commissions. This was not part of the deal only that going forward she would only work with sinder. The real black mark towards sinder's character was her repeatedly cheating on her BF and getting outed as a trust fund kid I guess which she didn't deny.
>>115152964>outed as a trust fund kid???So her parents had money and people were pissy about that? That sounds retarded as hell.
Why now? Why nearly a year and a half later do you come out and apologize? Your reputation wasn't hurting, every girl and their mother still wants a nanoless designed model. So why?
>>115139561Who cares?
>>115137961>tfw holochad and have no fucking clue who any of these fags are
>>115153042She's obviously either experiencing or anticipating some kind of repercussion for her actions.Maybe she's realizing she would be better off if she still had Sinder's business? Maybe she lost a big opportunity because she was deemed a brand risk for making a dockey? Or maybe the guilt has just been eating away at her.
>>115152743I doubt deme did anything, the only source of the accusations against her are her boyfriend who not only admitted abusing her in the past but also made up several things like who she was friends with or deme making him lose moneys
>>115146514Migrated where?Could NOT have been to holotower…??
>>115153550Comparing google docs I think Deme is indeed guilty.
>>115145899>Anus really eats away at anus. Anus apologize not because they're honestly anus for what they anus, but because anus want to be anus from the anus eating at them like an anus attack whenever anus remember what anus did.anus
>>115151321You are acting like an illiterate NPC while proving my point. I never said trump was controlled by liberals. I’ll repeat in greater detail: all mainstream western politics are different sides of globalist liberalism. Conservatives are controlled opposition driving the speed limit following after the outright liberals. Yes, trump does what the ultra rich Jews want. Exactly like the outright liberals. Who is actually behind mass replacement migration? How did that become a left wing thing? Liberals are self righteous society ruining clowns. Conservatives are useless cucks. Who created this system?
>>115155040my SAN isn't low enough to understand this post
>>115137961This retardation was the 2nd nail in the coffin for vtuber interest outside of Japan; the Selen situation was the hiroshima bomb on the idea of corpo vtubing in the west and this meangirl civil war was the nagasaki bomb targeting indie vtubing. Then maybe 3 months later vhoejoe imploded in on itself and sucked in all the detritus already swirling the drain on the non-traditional corpo/EN side of things. A year and a half later and NijiEN hadn't recovered from the SelenShock (on fact things had only gotten worse for them) and inbetween the sinder situation and vshitshow raping itself to death, Gura graduated. And amongst all of this chaos there was the microcorpo Mass Extinction Event going on in the background. >>115153778If not towel, some probably left for good due to the above mentioned clusterfuck of a year/year and a half. 2 years of you want to me more accurate.
>>115155193>Trump is liberal falseflag it's definitely not that our policies are actually dogshit Bro'd win a gold medal for his mental gymnastics. Back to /pol/ with you.
>>115150499I think things would have felt more normal if the effected girls told off both Nanoless and Sinder and treated both of them as equally bad. But the fact they told everyone that Nano was fine while going balls to the wall to end Sinder's career, made it feel like they had ulterior motives for canceling Sinder.
>>115137961I guess the money is running out and she wants to not only take a shot in the dark at salvaging her best client but make on-lookers that are weary of her for good reason open up to working with her again.
>>115152677the scam/abuse was someone elseSinder was just a shit person in general, going behind people's backs to cancel their projects and attempt to take their resources/staff, harassing anybody whose model even vaguely resembled a wolfgirl, and for some reason stalking the fuck out of Silver to the point of manipulating anybody within reach to try to set up a meeting. When that didn't work, she started harassing her too while also still stalking her. (According to Sinder, it's because she REALLY wanted to set up a merch collab because then they'd make a lot of money). The nano thing was because Nano is a nervous, wishywashy retard who got cold feet when Sinder wanted her to cancel Shylily's and Silvervale's new models because, "if everyone gets a Nanoless model then I won't be as special!" (her words). Unfortunately, Sinder didn't actually want to pay what an exclusivity deal might actually cost and instead went, "yoo we're friends right what if I just slip you some merch now and then instead of you getting paid a proper wage for exclusivity or signing an actual contract." Nano agreed to it because of the guilt tripping and eventually realized it was kind of a fucky situation, so she went to went to the other girls who got their projects cancelled. Those girls then started putting Sinder's interactions between them together, etc. and came out with the dockey. Is it Nano's fault for agreeing to Sinder's BS and then going to the girls without thinking? Sure. Should this have stayed private? Probably. Is Nano a retard incapable of of sticking to her guns? Definitely. Is Sinder suddenly a good person? Fuck no.
>>115155707Would be weird to trust a person who saves your private shittalking of other people for ammo
So in the end, sinder actually did nothing wrong. The root of it all was nanoless being a typical woman doing absolutely anything other than accepting accountability. Then shylily decided she was going to seize the opportunity to destroy sinder, and roped some useful idiots into it.
>>115155316It puts into perspective how terrible western vtubing has gotten as a whole, nothing but opportunists and con artists, but on the other hand, this kind of culling is what we needed.Now if only GamerSupps could finally die.
>>115156322BasicallyAlso Silvervale being autistic>>115139802
>>115156580>Now if only GamerSupps could finally die.Why should it?
>>115137961kek foids really think men give a shit. Sinder could genocide entire nations and I would only think of her big ol tiddies
>>115156580>nothing but opportunists and con artistsLike smugAlana. She even tried running damage control for Nano by misrepresenting the doc and started banning her own community members for calling her out kek
>>115155569Exactly where did I say any of that you absolutely soulless goycattle.
>>115156892This is why I prefer vtubers that roll in the AIslop even if I find the majority of AI art unappealing. At least they don't feel the need to run defense for asshole artists because they're scared of burning a bridge with someone they plan on commissioning.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2885494725?t=9m35sThis is all Sinder had to say about it.
>>115157007>the reason you got painted as vtubing satan contacts you privately to apologize >have to sit on it for months even though it would exonerate you either because nano wasn't willing to go public with it yet, or you just didn't want to reopen old wounds now that the dust has largely settled and most people moved onkek nano is such a cunt
>>115156892Proof?
>>115157175Its been getting posted every thread for months now>>115155276>>115155291>>115155306>>115155323
>>115157433I don't see how this schizobabble proves anythingSo... proof?
>>115157541you won’t get any proof because this retard doesn’t have any. don’t bother
>>115157541anon how are you going to deny things archived in the internet?https://x.com/SmugAlana/status/1976409641090445795
>>115157692Where does this show SmugAlana intentionally mispresented anything? And where does this show she banned anyone over this?If you're talking about the reply, I stopped reading after "I was told..." because those three words tell me this idiot doesn't know what they're talking about, and maybe even misrepresenting what SmugAlana saidI have a feeling that you're just a moron with an axe to grind for some reason
>>115157936>smug defense force using the nuh uh show me a picture of her with her hand on the mouse doing it defence.Embarrassing
>>115158010Glad you can admit you have zero evidence to back up anything that you're claiming
>shylily and bao have deleted most posts related to the sinder bullshit>bao still has a few up because they don't mention sinder so she can't just easy search them.Either that or shes to fucking high to find them.lmao
>>115158161bao isn't even a vtuber at this point
>>115158119>given a link he could easily see for himself>I CAN'T READOh hey its Alana. I'd give /vt/ links for you to travel back through time but it's clear you're just running defense and plan to deny everything.
oh he's crashing out now lmao
>>115137961The whole situation was fucked.Nanoless made it seem like she was being manipulated when she was equally responsible for dropping her friend’s commission mid-project. Bao and the squad all went full Google docky on Sinder in a way that was clearly just dogpliling. Only for Bao to then eventually turn on her whole entire fan base and become an e-girl. And sinder was obviously a selfish bitch based on what was revealed. All of these people came out looking bad. Because they all made shitty decisions.
>>115158119the person xe keeps trying to cite as xis source is a tranny that commissions/ai gens blacked porn of themselves btw
>>115158552They are all as bad as each other because they are women. This is their nature. There are no based women.
>>115158612No that’s not true.But this group of twitch streamers is definitely full of very selfish ones.
>>115158161Vei backing up sinder means that shit is far from over
>>115158552>equally responsibleShe was fully responsible, nigga. The full DMs are out for anyone that cares to read through them. Red never suggested or even encouraged nano to cancel all her commissions and go sinder exclusive.
>>115158182When was the last time Bao even streamed using her vtuber model?
>>115145899>they apologize not because they feel bad for what they did, but because they feel bad for what they didplease elaborate
>>115158693She herself admitted to basically only using the girls around her as rungs on a ladder to success instead of as actual friends. It’s just that the shitty girls she was using like Bao weren’t much better. But at least they had some level of actual friendships with each other.
>>115137961>no more twitch whores using nanoless slopVTubing is healing
>>115158730Sinder viewing relationships as business opportunities has nothing to do with nano cancelling on all her clients to focus only on sinder, lying about it by saying it was all sinder's idea, then sitting back and watching the jackals proceed to rip sinder apart. Sinder could've been the coldest, most transactional businesswoman and she would still look like a saint compared to nano.
>>115158876Yeah they both suck.And nano sucks more for playing the victim and farming sympathy while blaming all of it on Sinder who got all of the hate. But they both suck. And so does Bao and her friend group who all dogpiled a streamer at the same time.
>>115139792She’s aggressively average IRL and her face is the weakest part. Kind of explains why she was Vtubing at first.
>>115159054She’s mid IRL. Throwing away your amazing vtuber model, established brand, and a large part of your fan base to chase the e-girl meta was pretty dumb. But she can do whatever she wants.
>>115158702 The drunk guy who plows through a mother at stop sign cries and apologizes in court because he fears the consequences of his actions, his thoughts are towards himself. Once he gets off scott free and the weight is off his shoulder he gets another DUI(true story)Someone who truly feels bad for their life changing actions will live with the weight instead of begging their victim for forgiveness to be free of the suffering.. That what it means to be a ma- oh wait these are women.
>>115139992that's the funniest shit ever>oh god i'm cumming>instead, her brother gets to go to God....literally
>>115159054 She looks like shes in her 40s
>>115137961yes, let them eat each other
>>115149875Shylily's whole involvement came down to her being pissed that Gamersupps was pushing Sinder at an equal level to her when Vcards were her idea. Literally this whole drama spun out of her being mad at Sinder for something she knew the public would never be on her side over
>>115152854>You are a pedophile for calling Kirsche a fascist, when she is oneRetard
>>115155193>I never said Trump was controlled by Liberals>“Conservatives” like MAGA are controlled opposition liberals driving the speed limit.You literally did say that Trump is controlled by liberals, you fucking lying retard
>>115137961Please someone translate this to me who only watch hololive, thank you!
>>115160318Here you go, anon
>>115144586>western vtubing was a mistakeHoly confirmation bias
>>115145413>>115137961>Needing to make it publicEvery time they do this shit I just know it's virtue signalling.They're not actually sorry or they'd apologize in private they're doing it publicly because they want the publicity and to have people think they're kinder than they actually are.
>>115158825at her peak she had worked to mouse and a lot of ex vshojo girls (one of the people she stood up was geega). Now she is fucked, that reputation will not heal anytime soon
>>115139992yes her brother was a really nice dude and i'm so sorry but lets not lie to ourselves... We know that she is delaying return because twitch fixed her viewership to 2k
You know why nano and the whores are trying to fix the burned bridges? Because round 3 is about to hit the whores. Soon kids.
>>115145127What makes you think professional wrestlers are "fake"? Are comedians fake? Musicians? Singers? Clowns? Stage actors? Sports players? And streaming is different because that person isn't putting on a show, the person is the show. If you don't like the streamer, you don't like the show. Are you telling me that you watch people you don't like?
>>115160552anon never go full retard
>>115137961Sinder hasn't "bounced back". If this was a male fleshtuber, he career would have been over. People only still watch Sinder because she has a model with fat tits. And the only vtubers who have sided with her now are the ones who didn't throw any shit at her, Vei, Yuzu, Vienna. Bao, Shylily, Silver, Spite, and Buffpup haven't apologized for shit.
>>115137961>making a public tweet instead of apologizing in privatewhy
>>115160617>Bao, Shylily, Silver, Spite, and Buffpupfunny how half of the people in this list is deleting everything related to the drama since the apology dropped... Almost like they are getting ready for the ass pound rebound they are about to get.
>>115155822>stalking silverDon't make me laugh
>>115159097There’s no way you can get away with some of the insane shit she’s said (like the aggressive furry thirsting(“I need to be bread!” ect.) IRL.
>>115160511What was her brother's vtuber name?
>>115137961What's the point of this thread? None of the people here ever even watched Sinder or the girlypops/whoreclan, you guys are acting like tourists.
>>115160617Oh yeah clearly Asmongold has no career anymore...
>>115160637Money, Sinder was more profitable. 3rd worlders can't feel guilt
>>115160775bruh... are you lost?
>>115160637Virtue signaling and brownie points. Nano isn't actually sorry, that's why she made a public apology.
>>115160828Show me proof that anyone here unironically watches Sinder or any of the other indies involved in this bullshit.
>>115160866https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2885494725?t=9m35s
>>115160617>Sinder hasn't "bounced back"Indeed. I was under the impression that she'd lost at least half her viewership from before this mess dropped.
>>115160637She did apologize in private, months ago. This public apology is entirely performative.
>>115160775what a strange post to be making on the vtuber board.
>>115155822None of this is true however.Nano already admitted that she was the one who offered the exclusive deal, why do people keep lying that Sinder was the one who tried to pressure her?Sinder literally did nothing wrong.
>>115137961QRD on the drama again?
>>115161108Fags just really really don't like to admit they've had the wool pulled over their eyes, especially when they went hard bad mouthing someone over it. That's why even posts acknowledging nano being a piece of shit come with heaping doses of cope like>sinder is still a shitty >both side are bad
>>115161108lol pyrocucks can't read
>>115161762retard
>>115160222My god you are literally an actually illiterate faggot. If you’re going to be such an ass at least learn English. That’s not what that sentence means >“Conservatives” like MAGA are controlled opposition liberals driving the speed limit.That sentence doesn’t say conservatives or maga are controlled by liberals. It says they ARE liberals, just a different side of the same globalist liberalism coin. Hence “controlled opposition”.
>>115161794we don't sign our posts here
>>115161919Ok, retard.
>>115161898same shit, genius. Either way you're claiming the literal personification of your side is actually a liberal psyop because it turned out that your policies don't actually benefit society.Now go the fuck back and stop bringing your /pol/shit to a vtuber forum.
>>115137961This seems performative.
>>115161936>>115161919
>>115161937You’re so desperate to be self righteously correct you’ve willfully misinterpreted everything I said and then claimed it’s the same either way. It’s not. When did I ever say any of this was a liberal pysop? You keep putting words in my mouth then acting like it makes you right. It just makes you look dumb. I said western politics is all globalist liberalism. Conservatives are just liberals a decade or two behind. That’s not liberals being in charge. It’s the elite being in charge of “both sides”. I said trump works for the same ultra rich that the mainstream left does. I never once indicated in any way that any of them were “my side”. Why would you even say that when I called conservatives useless cuck controlled opposition?And of course the globalist liberal policies of the ultra rich Jews don't benefit society. That’s by design. Anyway I should’ve given up replying to you a while ago but it’s genuinely baffling how some people can be so disingenuous. I tried to communicate but this is why the Jews call us soulless cattle.
>>115161762What does the third paragraph say?
>>115157007Wait, so Nano reached out months before the tweet that expressed "If you ever get this message"? Why did she use that specific phrasing?
>Conclusion to the biggest indie drama ever
>>115162018>buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords because you already realized you fucked up
>>115160637Because nano and the mean girl squad painted sinder as hitler publicly? If you drag someone out in public then you have to apologize publicly in front of the crowd.
