Why are you talking sbout Gura?
Also Gura WILL return to Hololive in the future!

>>115160337
Obsessed

>>115160302
>and said "behold, the face of our company"
Well tbf she was originally hired just to show off Cover's vtuber tech, which was meant to be sold to other aspiring vtubers
I don't think Yagoo foresaw that business venture blowing up into a legitimate media conglomerate, and that the highschooler he hired would become the Mickey Mouse to his Walt Disney

>>115160302
but he didn't make haachama the face of hololive

>>115160302
>underage girl
dyrbi?

based

>>115160302
At that time he didn’t know that the girl would attract more people because they liked watching her rather than wanting his software so he thought “Maybe the girl was right and we can make money with her idea” and decided to invest on that.

Sora was put in a position she ended up disliking due to how isolated she was compared to the others but regardless of that she accepted the role.

>>115165364
So Sora was practically the manic pixie dream girl of the company. Cover was gonna be a literally who company until a golden goose in the form of her dropped on his lap.

>>115160302
Sora is one of the few vtubers who I believe actually want to be an idol. Mostly everyone else wants fame, money, or attention

>>115165936
Well, if I am not wrong she is the one who said she wanted to be an idol from the beginning of her career, before any Hololive girl got hired.

>>115160302
Sora is highly intelligent and mature!

>>115165364
Well I hope Yagoo properly compensated her. I heard Sora was controlled by management during the first years of her career, was swamped with work without a single day of rest and did not have the degree of freedom that her juniors had.
Basically, she was suffering from what the antis were accusing the company of, ironically.

>>115166356
Anon that's a description of 80% of Japanese jobs (minus the anti stuff)

>>115166356
>what the antis were accusing the company of, ironically.
Cover had antis even before they had 3 talents?

>>115165673
>Cover was gonna be a literally who company
It's why they have so many issues. Their focus on VR allowed them to tap into a well of bubbling internet culture primed to explode but it's hard to accept that fact as a tech company.

>>115165673
They just saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. Nothing uncommon. That said, being a tech startup at heart caused some problems. Yagoo wasted millions on a Metaverse, for example. Tech bro can’t stop being a shit tech bro I guess.
>>115166356
Considering that they are making money from Sora and A-chan’s idea and Sora being the prototype and test bed of their tech and business, I hope so too.

>>115166356
She was their only valuable asset, her juniors were literal who during their first year, they don't have the luxury of having established brand, most people back then know Sora more than they know about Hololive

>>115160302
Was he wrong though?

>>115168797
Only because Sora is a proper girl who just happens to have good PR skills and never had been part of a drama.
Honestly, that tells a lot of about her goodwill and Yagoo probably lucked out that the did not a get a troublesome woman as their founding member.

>>115168797
Yes and no. It is a no because she kickstarted their business and is getting money from an opportunity she presented to him.
It is a yes because she clearly doesn't like her position and would have preferred to be an early member rather than being the founding member.

>>115160302
That's not Pekora

>>115168797
No

>>115169078
It's crazy how many times Holo got lucky breaks throughout the years.

>>115160302
BASED YAGOO

>>115160302
>What is Disney ?
>What is Nickelodeon ?
>What is Hollywood ?
Kids becoming big stars and the face of something has been a thing since the dawn of mankind

>>115169078
>Yagoo probably lucked out that they did not a get a troublesome woman as their founding member.
I completely agree with this. Idk wtf was he thinking on putting his faith on a woman he knew for a few months. It worked, yes, but the risks are so stupid.

>>115176727
There were no risks. Sora was an independent streamer on NND. There was no Hololive to destroy

>>115176758
>independent streamer
An indie streamer doesn't use propietary equipment and model of a company and be part of the marketing strategy of said company to advertise their products.

>>115176727
It was either bet on Sora or continue making his failure of VR ping pong.

>>115176886
>of a company and be part of the marketing strategy of said company
There wasn't much a "company" to speak of back then, so if shit went sideways they prolly would've just replaced her I guess

>>115160337
This will never happen

>>115177124
Wasn't Yagoo already a manager/exec of kinda prestigious businesses by then? I thought he already was given some investment money before A chan and Sora contacted him.

>>115181813
He was working for Sanrio not sure whats his role but Cover were barely a company they can't even afford to hire staffs it's just Yagoo and his buddies, a company with 3 employees

>>115166356
She talked more about it earlier this year. It was worse than what you've intimated.
What Hololive and Cover are today was all built upon the struggling shoulders of Sora. That's why her kouhai respect her; some may sing better, game better, are more entertaining, are more successful overall etc., but they all owe their current success to her efforts, her sweat (as minimal as it is because of her condition) and tears. If she'd thrown in the towel, and from what she's said about it this would've been a very reasonable and probably preferable course of action to take, then it's possible that nothing they have now would be as it is.

>>115181813
Cover's initial purpose was to create and sell VR and 3D software to other companies. He did have seed funds and spent it on a Ping Pong VR game. It did not meet success.
Then, Sora and A-chan came.

By the end of 2017, they made the Hololive app for livestreaming. Then he saw Sora getting success and decided to pivot from trying to sell software to using what they had to invest on Sora and the talents. By the time Roboco debuted Cover requested funding. We don't know exactly what Yagoo used to get more funds but obviously he used Sora's success as evidence to his investors.
>>115182212
Cover initially was 2 employess: Him and his CTO.

>>115176256
Only balanced out by how bad the management side is, though to be fair some incidents among the talents are self inflicted.

Soratomos can really give 35p a run for their money for most delusional fanbase. Fbk contributed 10x more for Hololive's success than Sora ever did. Not to mention the "underage girl" bs. When a tech startup needs a model to showcase their stuff, of course the first place they'll look is a fucking high school.

>>115187283
>of course the first place they'll look is a fucking high school.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious. I mean Yagoo for all his faults seems to be a genuinely caring person so I can imagine him deciding to give this starry-eyed idol girl a chance even if it was unusual.

>>115187283
I do not see anyone denying friend's success on the company. They are talking about the early days. And Fbk own thing began during 2019. During 2018 she was struggling just as everyone else.

>>115187283
Actually Achan and Sora found him. And it's quite in character for Yagoo to want to support that dream while she showcases the tech

>>115187283
I do not see delusional people here. They are not talking about overall success (FBK doesn’t even get that recognition either), more like the direction of the early days of the company.
In that case, it is true that it was Sora who contributed to that. We know by their own mouths (FBK included) that they were not initially hired as idols but accepted the idol role after the company saw that there was an opportunity.

>>115187719
And some like Aki/Haato/Mel/etc were hired for their AMSR talents. Though I wonder how Aki went from "quickly proving she was good for singing as well as AMSR" to "attempt to quiet fire"

>>115187395
>>115187541
Yep. He was just looking for a model for his app, and miraculously at the same time two random highschool girls found him (where? how?) How naive do you have to be to actually believe this?

>>115187719
How did Sora contribute to the direction of the early days of the company, when that early direction was not the idol one? Up to almost gen 4, as we know by their own mouths.

>>115187824
>Haato
Hired for ASMR talent at 17???????????

>>115187873
Someone saying they were busy but their coworker could take the interview call eventually led to the creation of Studio Ghibli. Sometimes miraculous coincidences (providence?) like that can occur.

You guys aren't getting it
If fagoo can get it right and make VR/AI into the company's primary focus, he can become japan's first trillionaire and live on mars with elon as a brain uploaded into a robot as virtual consciousness.

Simply doing 'virtual idols' is not enough to achieve that dream.

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>"The point is that you are under a misconception that we are a vtubing company. We are not. What we are, really, is a tech company. And you are not our most valuable asset.

>>115188343
That's not even close to the same level of fairytale narrative.

>>115188393
>live on mars with elon as a brain uploaded into a robot as virtual consciousness.
That sounds worse than death

>>115188260
Dunno about pre-Holo but that was her original speciality before the crackdown hit (and sparking her turn into extreme and sometimes kinda lewd antics)

>>115188173
Sora was the only one with idol direction doing concert etc in the company, it's not that hard to understand unless you're genuinely retarded

>>115190066
>the only one
So her direction didn't match that of the early company and she wasn't really contributing to it's growth and success.

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>>115166356
Sora is getting pushed as the face of hololive often and she gets way more than what her numbers would actually warrant giving.

>>115190694
Holy shit you're genuinely retarded, they started as tech then changed to agency when their app flopped, there is no direction for the agency at the beginning because they aren't planning to make an agency in the first place, do you think there is any real direction in early Hololive that influenced by any talent? Do you think Fubuki influenced early Hololive direction when she was just debuted and a literal who on her first year like the rest of early Hololive not named Sora?

>>115191264
Yes Fubuki did influence early Hololive direction, and much more than Sora. Even got to make her own gen. It is still her vision of "cute girls doing fun stuff on stream" that brings in the bag to this day.

>>115191405
That's just the company giving her a pass, do you think when your boss accept your proposal means you have real influence?
"cute girls doing fun stuff on stream" this isn't a real direction, "streaming" alone isn't a direction but you probably already know it's moronic to claim they are streaming because of Fubuki that's why you put some made up ambiguous shit like "cute girls doing fun stuff" like it's a real genre and the funny thing is if we are going by with your logic then Sora is way more influential than Fubuki who's supposedly very influential yet has to accept the direction "change" that made many talents worried because they lack of singing and dancing experience, someone like Okayu even think of quitting

Soratomos keep being delusional, QED

>>115192200
It's funny coming from most likely one of the deluded retards that keep saying Fubuki is pulling strings behind the scene, I don't think you get to call anyone delusional, Sora doesn't need her fans telling how important their oshi is, the company and other talent already did that.
Post merch and membership.

>>115192500
>keep saying Fubuki is pulling strings behind the scene
Nope, I do not say that. Don't think any of them is pulling the strings. Just Sora's role in shaping Hololive into what it is today is greatly overblown, due to the "daisenpai" label. Fubuki was objectively more important for that, and not only her - Gamers, Sankisei, Suisei, Aqua, Shuba, you name them. While Sora was doing her thing on the side, just to be mogged by Suisei in this very thing (must sting).
>the company and other talent
The company and other talent are also telling you that Noel can sing and Holodori is a fun game. It's called shilling and/or being polite. Especially, again, to the "daisenpai".
>Post merch and membership
Straight for the big guns, huh? What would random merch pictures tell you? Meet me at Irys next week and I'll show you.

>>115193836
>Gamers, Sankisei, Suisei, Aqua, Shuba
What do they have to do with early Hololive and its creation?
>It's called being polite
Typical EOP argument acting like it's just Japanese seniority autism yet failed to explain how it doesn't applies to other early member, no one ever said Roboco=Hololive or Fubuki or anyone else for that matter because that's just factually, your personal feeling on who do you think is more important doesn't mean shit, you don't even work there.
I think I get it now,you're just some EN newfag which worse because I thought I'm talking to some 2019 newfag that come from scatman or matuli clip, if you're not lying that is.

>>115187824
>"attempt to quiet fire"
QRD

>>115194727
Kek, "Sora the solo founder of Hololive" is peak bright-eyed EOP newfag stuff. You can stop the larp, anon.
And many holomen said things to the same effect about FBK. But you, of course, wouldn't know that, it's not in the 13 knights leddit lore.

>>115193836
It's not overblown at all.
>>115194727
The issue is not being an EN newfag or EOP, the information is out there. Sora and A-Chan pretty much founded Hololive through their partnership and set the stage for everything that came after, meaning the expansion by Cover. But if Sora hadn't been streaming at Xmas and picked up Siro's attention, there's a pretty good chance Hololive simply wouldn't exist.

>>115195238
And without the efforts of the talent that followed Sora would simply end up the same as Siro and the rest of the kings. While those talents would be pushing Niji or some entirely different agency.
It is greatly overblown.

>>115195384
You've got a weird way of undervaluing the importance of pioneering something.

>>115195229
>>115195384
Why do you keep arguing with people you yourself said are delusional? They won't suddenly snap out of it.
This retard >>115194727 in particular is chronically screeching about EOPs and newfags while clearly being both. And is terminally /here/, recognizable by style alone.

>>115195229
>And many holomen said things to the same effect about FBK.
No they don't and you're trying to pull "no u" after got outed as newfag, hilarious and yes she is the solo founder if we strictly talking about talent simply by the fact that she was the only talent existed before Hololive, it sounds like you don't even know what founder means

>>115195906
>outed as newfag
how so? you're the one parroting reddit naratives so far

>>115195830
If you're that mad getting called EOP newfags then stick with your new chuuba instead trying to argue about something you clearly know jack shit about with your clipfag knowledge and personal opinion, you can even easily verify the numbers in 2018 to see how wrong you're but no you think people are the one being delusional, rumao.

>>115195975
What narratives? Sora was the only talent existed before Hololive is reddit narrative? So you're saying you're even less that reddit?

>>115196077
That she "created Hololive" together with A-Chan and is solely responsible for its success. Anyways, you didn't answer, are you going to Irys? Or Miko? Post merch and membership.

>>115196177
>is solely responsible for its success
Nobody ever said this
>you didn't answer
Why should I? I just want to know which kind of newfag you are.

>>115196177
You're about the width of a frog's asshole away from beginning to argue that Kizuna AI's contributions to vtubing are irrelevant

>>115196585
Delusional Soratomos do say this. That's literally the point of contention here. Nobody said she didn't have any contribution.
>which kind of newfag
older then you kind apparently, phasefag-kun
>>115196721
and you have reading comprehension skills of said frog's asshole, please don't reply

>>115196802
>Delusional Soratomos do say this.
Where?
>That's literally the point of contention here.
Nah, you came here out of nowhere calling people delusion then proceed to make delusional claim of Fubuki having way more influence than Sora in early Hololive when the fact says otherwise IS delusional, aside from the obvious fact that already got pointed ITT, you can also be numberfag and the number will tell you that in 2018 Sora was the only relevant talent while the other were literal who, stop embarrassing yourself newfag, I'm not phase or whatever boogeyman you can think of

>>115197342
About that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTpcmgnvzx0

>>115197342
The claim was
>Fbk contributed 10x more for Hololive's success than Sora ever did
And the facts support this (except for 10x obviously being a random number). You were the one who shifted to "early Hololive". With a retarded definition of "early" as 2018, apparently. It's fucking 2026, everything before COVID is early era (objectively, inb4 more newfag insecury projection).
Still waiting for those merch and memberships (tm) btw. But you of course don't have any, you're just a mudhut dwelling shitposter larping as a holofan after all.

>>115197698
>What if we make the number 0.1
Lol
Idiot

>>115190732
She's best as the figurehead role. Putting any other talent as the outward face of Cover and Hololive as a whole would've lead to in-fighting in the fanbases and probably even have lead to jealously and friction amongst the talents themselves, even if it only manifested as a low simmering passive aggressive resentment - they are all still women, and Japanese ones, at the end of the day.
No one could resent Sora, the neutral choice, being used. Literally just default to chronological order which is natural for nipnops.
She's perfect for this role because she's handled the pressure of this for years now; there a zero yabs to her name. All the biggest holos have at least some kind of mild stain or whatever. She's no leader, don't get me wrong, that by all accounts is Fubuki, but she's like a modern head of state: ceremonial role that everyone "respects" if only by default in order to keep the system functional whereas the real political power is in the hands of others.
Sora - Monarch/Empress
Fubuki - Prime Minister/Chancellor

>>115197698
The entire thread is talking about early Hololive and this was your post
>Yes Fubuki did influence early Hololive direction, and much more than Sora.
And you're the one (again) ironically doing shit you accused people of, it doesn't matter if we are in 2300, early Hololive means the early year of Hololive, you don't understand what words mean it's a you problem, just kys already

>>115197811
>>115197911
Ok, I concede. Some soratomos are not only delusional but also clinically retarded. My bad for trying to argue with an idiot, >>115195830 was right.

This >>115197827 makes sense though. Although Fubuki doesn't have any real yabs either.

>>115197911
nta, but that is indeed how it works. When a company is 1 year old its "early days" are the first month. When it's 50 years old - "early days" are like 5 years, if not 10.

>>115198191
It's always funny when people got btfo'd then trying to weasel out of embarrassment, this place is anonymous you can just walk away and pretend nothing happen.

>>115198511
Where's the btfo? Both those linked posts are objectively stupid.
>What if we make the number 0.1
What if we make it 2^i? The meaning was pretty obvious.
And >>115197911 is just wrong while being retarded and aggressive about it.
Always funny when idiots spew nonsense and think they "owned" someone. But not always worth further engagement.

>>115197827
This analogy never works, a company is no country, in real corporate structure Fubuki is like a division leader at best, captain of a football team, a leader in a sense as team leader not actual boss/leader.

>>115198769
You claimed Fubuki influenced Hololive direction before they changed into idol direction that's influenced by Sora in other words you're talking about the time before summer 2019 so what's your definition before summer 2019? Your timeline doesn't add up

>>115199182
They still haven't changed direction. All of Holo 1st army are streamers first, idols second. Except for Suisei but she's her own thing now, kind of always has been. And Sora is still mostly irrelevant other than in her symbolic role.

>>115199599
Now you're just saying nonsense completely the opposite of what the talent themselves said, you can just skip their idol content if you hate it that much instead of randomly seething then trying to pull history revisionism.

>>115199599
>Sora is still mostly irrelevant other than in her symbolic role.
B r u h
I guess the one thing you might be right on is that she sticks to herself but she is in no way irrelevant.

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She is the Iwara queen

>>115198952
It's not a hard categorical rule you autist. If one of the girls has a problem they're more likely to go to Fubuki for help or advice much more than they are to approach Sora etc.

>>115197827
>default to chronological order which is natural for nipnops.
If it's natural for nips then it will be common practice in idol agency in general but in reality it's not

>>115200115
She's a well regarded part of Hololive by many and trying to replace her with anyone else would raise all kinds of hell (even the proposed replacement would be pissed)>>115200138

>>115187283
but enough about cuckfaggy, the actual most delusional fanbase lol pigwhora is an actual whore who have sex with male ecelebs and cover's management by the way

>>115160302
how many times do you intend to make this thread?

>>115200138
Undisputed queen, long may she reign

>she can't say no
thats my oshi

>>115160337
With a new person behind the avatar, hopefully!