Who could have been at the top if they actually tried?
Ina but she has little reason to care because of her other job.
>>115276471Yeah, at the top of my dick
>>115280027it's not like they would have to climb very high for that
Fuwamoco, I seriously believe if they copy old Miko or Korone, they can even surpass gura because they're not only cute, but also has a god tier voice. but instead, they never stream and whenever they do, they always spam bau bau and hoehh every 5 seconds while acting retarded in an unfunny way.
>>115276552coco was trash and kson still is trash
>>115276471NijiEN
I think if FUWAMOCO had kept up their momentum, they could have been huge.
love da oni
>>115283064I still wonder if their insistence on the tics/etc a product of basically being more VAs than traditional vtubers. Most grow out of their "characters" to some degree.But in many ways they are squandering their potential.Music? Instead of really showcasing their ability, they aim for old style fluff songs, in a way not quite even having Aqua's impact. And certainly not worth the "cooking time"
>>115276471Cecilia ImmergreenShe's funny and musically talentedBut she's lazy ass, ties herself into too many projects and easily crashes outi love her anyway tho
>>115283516You are trash
>>115276552She was trash and only got popular with the help of other talents. Asacoco, meme review and collabs made her what she was not her solo content. She was out of Ideas once she was on her own
>Kronii and ERB>Overseas>Do fuck all and yet still as popular as their genmates>JP-nikki naturally attracted to them despite neither pandering to JP audiences>Sex modelsIf they put in even a fraction of the work their genmates do they'd easily be near the top of EN speaking chuubas. Too bad they're lazy af and love their parents too much or sum shit.
>>115285079I can't take you guys seriously when you say a talent is lazy because literally the only metric you care about is how many hours they spend sitting on their ass streaming video games
>>115285328Retard how many songs/albums/EPs does Bae and IRyS have over Kronii? How many solo lives?How many originals does Gigi, CC, and Raora have over ERB?They do this all WHILE streaming more than those two.Fuck off with your bullshit.
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>>115285379now do voice packs
>>115285421You tell me, I don't keep track of shit nobody cares about.
>>115285438yeah you don't care about things that don't support your narrative
>>115285328As a consumer of streams that is my primary concern yes.
>>115285449Give me the metric then? Since you want to disprove my narrative.
>>115285379Kronii and ERB are huge autistics in terms of perfectionism and study.If you don't see results, it doesn't mean there isn't work behind the scenes.ERB specifically if you see the credits of her release you can see how she mixed, directed and produced the stuff she released by herself.
>>115276471The Top doesn’t need to try.
>>115280357Choco puts out a bunch of songs with little fanfare.
>>115285474Bae: 51CC: 28ERB: 35 Gigi: 38IRyS: 21Kronii: 67Raora: 46
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>>115276552Coco was a retard who pandered to retards with le drug le suicide edgelord reddit humour. She singlehandedly ruined Hololive
>>115285507I don't buy it, it's been two years and she barely has anything to show for it, whilst also not streaming, if it was her first year maybe, but 2 years without an original as the music focused member of your gen while the others have 2 is kind of a joke. Kronii is also down 1-2 full albums and a sololive on her genmates whilst also barely streaming. Either they stream more, or release more content, if not, what's the trade off? >>115285569So 16 voicepacks = 2 full albums, a sololive, an appearance at Luckyfes, and streams? WoooooowI'm not even going to talk about ERB cause it's just fucking sad at this point.
>>115284186>But in many ways they are squandering their potential.I agree with this, they're wasting their potential in both the niche area by not selling their old school otaku elements, nor putting out anything more unique. They're clearly capable of being funny and more risqué but play it way too safe.
>>115285519She had like two real songs to show for 5 years of "work".
>>115285637>two years and she barely has anything to show for itBut this is not really true.The only problem with her is not having OG song, even if you might say Saltborn is OG, she has multiple covers and collabs with other members.Like recently she released Libera Me From Hell with Mori.
>>115285691Just a quick glance at their music playlists.ERB has 17 in her playlist and Serendipity since she didn't include it, so 18Gigi has 18 in her playlist, plus Maneskin cover, and both EN concert songs which she didn't include, for a total of 21. So ERB is still behind in that metric. CC and Raora don't have a music playlist, but I will concede they probably have significantly less music than Gigi and ERB. But Raora streams significantly more, does art and design for holomems and 3rd parties, has had surgery, and also made her own maid outfit this year. CC has had about the same amount of activity as ERB, but she has talked about how this has been a significantly bad year for her whilst still working on her 2nd original behind the scenes. If ERB has been experiencing similar struggles as CC, then I'd be more willing to concede, but she has not indicated anything of the sort, at least not publicly.
>>115285976>just a quick glance at their music playlists>ERB has 17 in her playlist and Serendipity since she didn't include it, so 18???
>>115285079Kronii is at this point one of the largest ENs purely by elimination.
>>115286010Go look at the playlists they include recordings from their 3D lives... at least do the work and filter stuff out.
>>115286058And 3D lives doesn't count... because?Like in that list there aren't even her latest birthday 3D live covers, which are 9. So it should be 42
>>115286010I don't count them cause in terms of work a 3D Live is a 3D Live, you could get a goofy 3D Live with no songs like Justice 2nd Anniversary or you could have an Advent Anniversary packed with songs, so using your logic Advent's 3D Live = more work cause they sang more songs? Gigi has also had 3D Lives and I didn't include them, so it's still an equal metric.
>>115286142We're talking about song release and how much work the talents put into it.Of course you have to consider 3D lives song since the talent actively recorded those and so worked into those.The sketches and funny stuff are other things, it's still work and it's okay, but we're not talking about it.If you don't consider 3D lives songs as song release, then you're just using arbitrary rules without any reason, and you're not considering those as music works.if you want to include Gigi and other people 3D lives song into this, then feel free to do it if you want, no one is stopping you.Like a music-focused talent, of course will focus more into music and vocal stuff within her content and 3d live.
>>115276471>>115276552>first reply has the exact same filename windy really saw a popular tweet from kson and had a week long meltypathetic tranny
>>115283456WHORE!!!
>>115286198>it's still work and it's okay, but we're not talking about it.Wtf is the topic of this thread? We're talking about the work they put in and how hard they've tried as talents to succeed. Work is work, whether that's writing and acting in a funny skit, streaming, or singing and dancing.But okay dude, keep coping and enjoy your 0 content hug and heart emoji spam.
>>115276471OP gave the answer in the OP
>>115286309>Work is work, whether that's writing and acting in a funny skit, streaming, or singing and dancing.Good, so you're confirming that including 3D lives song is right since you consider it wrong.And since we were specifically talking about song release and i was pointing out how your number was wrong, then you should understand what i saying.Making out some dumb rules and restrictions undervalues someone's else work.I'm not even pretending she works more than any other, and not even saying that Gigi doesn't work as much.Also we can even argue how much work someone puts between funny sketches and a whole cover, but i don't, because i don't really want to undervalue another's work or their intentions.
>>115276471The only correct answer is Gura.But a secondary answer is Fuwamoco who had the uncanny ability to be immensely popular both JP and Overseas but never really did much with it.
Can't believe holofans are this delusional about fuwamoco. dude they can never be popular with the way they talk. It already filters A LOT of people.
Fuwamoco from 2023 but with their real voices which are fucking beautiful, When they moved to Japan, everything went to shit for them It's sad to see how they sold out to the Japanese public when they had everything to be the biggest in all of EN CC is another one who has enormous potential, but this year she has had a very bad time in her personal life her family problems are dragging her down a lot But for me, the girl with the most potential is Raora If she focused solely on doing streams, she would be the best Raora doesn't have the talent or intelligence to be an "idol" She tries but she's not good at it, However she's a very entertaining girl to watch she has a lot of charisma and has a large following among people who don't speak English Raora is the girl who has everything balanced she's not good at anything, but she's not mediocre at anything eitherShe just needs to stop accepting jobs outside of Holo and concentrate on YouTube and Twitch
>>115290254>she's not good at anythingbro she's great artist
>>115286878That's what we mean; if they didn't go so hard into their characters, they'd be better. It wasn't so bad when they were doing GGN>>115290254The twins could have been popular in both if they didn't go maximum overweeb and in a way going so hard on certain things kinda limits their JP popularity too>>115292060Most here don't consider such niche things
>>115276471who
>>115283064Biggest wasted potential in EN in the last few gens
>>115293045>Most here don't consider such niche thingsIna's entire vtubing career is built off of her being "the artist holo"
>>115304502But she doesn't do a ton of art as Ina, certainly not enough to retire her PL for it like Roara largely has
>>115285507Woah I didnt know she had that powerlevel
>>115285507Sounds like Iroha at times
