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>>115337545
>bullying is when people stream at the same time as you

who?

Vedal own her sex

This is on Layna for this one, overlaps happen all the time. But this is probably a quick excuse if the event wasn't ready to launch at that date.

>overlapping events with basically no audience crossover
>canels everything and goes on hiatus
BPDna strikes again

I don't watch neuro and I don't know this woman but if they both spoke about it then Vendal should've stepped back since Neuro is not even a human

Good. Twitch whores should know their place.

>>115337750 (me)
*Cancels

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turtle man, let me leech your fans
make some mad bands, won't you understand?

>Will hurt one another
What she really means is that it will hurt her btw

>>115337708
green nigga

>>115337599
Didn't expect layna to be a /#/ regular

Yeah if you want ANYONE to bite give a tldr summary.

>uhm, you cannot stream at the same time as I do
???

I see the vedal defense force is rallying the banners. they truly know no shame

>noooo you can't just stream at the same time as me
holy narcissism

>>115337545
woman moment?

Who tf are you on a phonecall with for 27 fucking minutes?

Just do the events lmao what the fuck is this?

>>115337884
She needs the swarm numbers to make the event worthwhile for the sponsors so she's having a woman moment because Vedal won't bend to her every whim

>>115337545
Sounds to me like Layna should kill herself.

>>115337958
That's a bit harsh anon. She just needs a bit of an ego check. Learn that the world doesn't revolve around her

>>115337545
literally 10 days straight
how tf is anyone else expected to stream

>>115338017
everyone is supposed to put their lives and livelihoods on hold at the drop of a hat for her duh. shes obviously more important than everyone else

>>115337750
>basically no audience crossover
This is no longer true since layna got rid of her old audience and replaced them with swarm

since you swarmlets are dysgenic jobless freaks incapable of understanding human interaction, I'll explain it to you. while you sit there drooling and watching this m*le and his puppet, there are actual people interacting with him on a professional level. people with a good working relationship tend to help one another. when you discover that your fellow working professional not only doesn't want to help you, but spits in your face, it's natural to completely reevaluate your relationship with that person, since you now understand that they are both unprofessional and not actually your friend. hope this helps

>>115337760
Fuck off swarmtard.

TOMAAAAA!
DROP THE DOCKEY AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

>>115337545
Indietards making sure they don't accidentally overlap with another indietard

>>115337897
Stop sucking his cock, dude.

>>115338091
I don't even like Vedal lol, I just call them like I see them and it's very obvious

>>115337545
indie drama is so fucking retarded

lotta seethe by retards who don't watch either

>>115337545
>look everyone a vtuber got cancelled! how awful!
>no I wont tell you why it happened or you might agree with the cancelling.

>>115337599
In a career where views translate directly to money, absolutely.

This is a cautionary tale. Never let the herd of chatgpt-chan's slop eater take over your core audience

>>115338051
If you're going to write up a paragraph with full stops, the least you can do is capitalise the beginning of a sentence. This isn't BCE anymore you neanderthal.

If you can't build your own audience and have to rely on someone elses audience for your event then that's on you babe.

>>115338139
Vedal is not a vtuber

How is western vtubing such drama shit all the time? Women really ruin everything

>>115338176
The audience flees as soon as vedal shows up. Either don't collab with him or be ready to follow his whims.

Unrelated but Layna should post more feet pics

>>115338200
Vedal is a dude

>>115337599
I mean that was literally what Rushia thought

>>115338164
If they treat their audience like chatgpt slop eaters, then their audience becomes chatgpt slop eaters. Notice how this vtuber cancelled their thing so any non-chatgpt slop eaters who could have watched are now not being catered to and will leave her. If a vtuber wants a certain audience, they need to act with the assumption that their audience is already what they want them to be.

never watched layna
never watched vedal
but by nature of vedal being a male vtuber, i'm inclined to side with layna

>>115338064
Twitch whores aren't even real vtubers.

>>115338181
I wasn't talking about Vedal.

i gotta spoonfeed you retards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGkkLIbBgSA

>>115337545
Her departure is no real loss.

>>115338227
True, she made her bed, now let her lie on it. Let this be a lesson to others.

>>115338145
Being mad that other vtubers are streaming just seems like such a toxic mindset to have as a vtuber. It ignores the fact that her collab partners success, and the fact that their viewers like her is the very reason they watch her when their main isn't live. She should be grateful that they come watch her sometimes and boost her numbers, and not just view them as a resource she's entitled to, that her friends have to give her whenever she wants.

>>115338270
Didn't ask

>>115338270
Do you really think this makes her look better? Kek, she just comes off as super entitled. How about make your own content and get your own audience instead of leeching of Vedal for easy noombers

>>115338325
It makes her look exactly like she should. Fragile woman ego.

>>115337599
Don't mock the Gura vs. Biboo instigators, they bank their lives on this

>>115338270
Sounds fine to me. Vedal has great skill so he succeeds with less planning. But this woman is nowhere near that level of skill so she has to make up for it with more planning. So they're not compatible. By the way this is just my analysis off this clip. I have no idea who this woman is and I've seen maybe a couple of Neuro clips before and that's all I know about them.

>>115338227
This whole thing was sponsored by mythic and gamersupps, they 100% told her to cancel because the ROI was too small with vedals stream going on at the same time. Especially since gamersupps is also sponsoring that one.

>>115338459
Sounds like she should get her viewers to sponsor her instead of some corporation that has no loyalty to her.

>>115338166
>bce
go back

>>115338459
I mean when you need everyone to cancel their streams for 10 days there wasn't much hope of any real monetary returns anyway.

>>115337545
This is the same person talking shit about Filian. Let that sink in

>>115338507
I have no horse in this race but special events aren't regular streams

bitch cant decide what she wants to cater to
she does IRL streaming and goonbait while trying to be a little innocent and shy vtuber
also the "horror" part that was unique gets sidelined all the time
pick a lane bitch

>>115338524
I am aware. But obviously people aren't going to stop their own streams or cater to her when her special event brings sub 10k.

Isn't this just admitting you're a worse streamer then Vedal and you have no confidence in your viewers to show up. What a shitty message to send to your fans.

None of this would have happened if only Filian were still with us

>>115337813
That stream time was patented at the patent office!

>>115338473
Soon

The "neuroverse" is a dysfunctional mess.

>>115338589
The stream time was promised to her 3000 years ago!

>>115337545
Now that whore clan has collapsed it would be great if AI whore clan also exploded

>>115338816
sorry, best i can do is merge holoen

>celebrating being a "twitch partner"
do indiekeks even do anything besides suck Dan Clancy's unwashed butthole all day in a worship ritual?

>>115338459
How the meeting went:
>Vedal are you going to be streaming next week?
>Yes
>How long do you think the marathon will last?
>Maybe a week or two? I dunno
>(Layna) You know that I have an event coming up for my 10th anniversary right?
>No... But it shouldn't cause any issues if we can't finish before then
>That's all we needed, thanks Vedal.
>(Vedal hangs up)
>Sorry Layna, but we will have to postpone the event.

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New Layna clarification just dropped.
https://x.com/laynalazar/status/2107024320644177945

>>115338164
Layna's fault for being an unfunny bitch, she should keep making drama videos because that's the only thing that makes her interesting.

>>115339223
>blablabla THE VEDAL NUMBERS ARE MINE PLEASE DON'T LEAVE ME I WILL SUCK HIS COCK!

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Has there ever been a more successful grift than scripting a fake chatbot with some canned/curated phrases and then inserting them every 10th sentence or so to make millions off of retards that then watch it interact with ewhores? I’m more mad I didn’t think of doing it.

>>115339250
Ironmouse.

>>115339250
words used to have definitions and meanings

>>115337599
You didn't even know this person existed 2 weeks ago holo beggar

>>115339223
Damage control

>mod caught sending sexually explicit material to underaged fans and admitted to fucking their dog, but still allowed to remain in the +13 Discord server
>nobody cares
>schedule overlap drama
>everyone cares
What.

>>115339001
dan clancy doesnt own twitch, he's just some guy amazon put there. how is it different from you cucks celebrating whatever that holoshit ceo's name is?

>>115339223
>i got the attention my pity party solicited, time to feign misunderstanding
women are tiresome

She should just pick a different day

Swarm is retarded (evidenced by their general being the second most retarded here after /pcg/) and I too would begin to resent Vedal if those 9-year-olds were pestering me every day

>>115339657
This was one of her mods, or are talking about a completely different chuuba not involved in this?

>>115340050
One of Vedal's mods.

>>115339250
You can still do it, you know? It's not a saturated market.

>>115340050
don’t pay attention to the “female” vedal hater xhe gets ignored everytime and is off xer meds, somehow xhe thinks that vedal is xer neighbor

>>115337740
this may be the real reason

>>115341033
You do realize there's actual evidence of what happened? How new are you?

>>115338270
This is all so retarded since it seems to be a combination of him being bad with checking DM's and her living in an unfortunate timezone.

>>115339223
Holy nothingburger. This is what I assumed when I read the tweet. You don't hate dramavultures enough.

>>115341158
there’s no evidence of him living next to you schizo, get a rope

>>115339223
Lmao at all the dumbfucks blaming her for themselves not knowing what "indefinite" means.

>>115341196
is being an apologist tiresome? i just ask because i know the truth is easier to remember, so

>>115341355
What "truth' would that be?

>>115339223
is she blind and stupid? vedal's event has been planned for weeks. this is clearly just an excuse for her to postpone for other reasons. She knew exactly what kind of response that tweet would garner. I like Layna too, she's hot and has a pleasant voice, and is fun to watch. But this is a stupid thing to do.

>>115341201
I'm talking about the Heir thing, dumbass.

>>115341398
>vedal's event has been planned for weeks
I think you might be the stupid one.

>>115337545
Tl;dr Attention whore realized she won't be getting enough money because half her community (swarm niggers) will be watching the main event instead.

>>115341435
Dramafags don't care that he changed the date at the last minute because the AI integration hit a road bump. They need drama.

>>115341596
>everyone who disagrees with me is a dramafag, and all think alike
how embarrassing for you

This is why it's bad to be an orbiter

It's never a good idea to get involved with Neuro, for a whole list of reasons.

>>115341737
Well a dramafag would be the type of person to deliberately omit basic facts that would otherwise completely undermine their narrative. So if the shoe fits...

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Neuro has been falling off hard in the last few months

>>115341856
I'm over here, jackass. And you still haven't wished me happy birthday yet.

>>115341435
she gets big numbers on her own, before she met vedal and when they overlap currently. why does she think she needs the swarm to do this event? if I were an OG fan of hers I'd turn into an anti for shit like this, what they aren't good enough for her?

>>115341865
*falling off hard* Oh no, she's only in the top 0.5% of vtubers now. that 6-10k ccv must make vedal really sad. especially when there's been literally no events or anything of note going on, just regular streams.

>>115341924
If this is enough to make you anti Layna, you were never actually a fan to begin with.

Layna's a numberfags. She's lurking here!!!

>>115337545
Instead of whatever this shit is she should look for a guy and finally get knocked up. The whole being already 35 and childless is apparently driving her completely loco.

>>115339223
Don't care, didn't read. I will continue to speculate whatever I want.

>>115341996
It's called giving a shit about your fuckin job, you dumb cuck.

>>115341940
the chatbot is losing relevancy
next month you'll reply with a "that 5k ccv must make vedal really sad"

>>115341965
I mean she doesn't have fans to begin with.

>>115337545
>only wants to celebrate 10 years of streaming if she can directly profit from it with 0 competition
that's not much of a celebration, bitch.

>>115342196
It's more like she had a big celebration for an important milestone in her career planned and the people who she thought gave a shit about her showed just how little they actually do.

>>115342267
Ego status: checked

I hope karma comes for his selfish ass if he tries to do something for his 10th anniversary. You know swarm would be pissed.

>>115342291
People like you are why so many creators are distancing themselves now

This is terrible, Layna show them whose boss by posting more nudes online!

>>115342301
Good.

>>115342355
:)

>>115342267
>be me
>hit 40
>good place in life, secure financially, settled, healthy family
>want to celebrate birthday
>organize big even
>3 day weekend
>hyuge budget
>OMG some other dude is having a birthday on the same weekend
>cancel everything
>bitch on twitter
>sob
>kill career
t. layna probably

>>115342360
Not to mention be a worse Crelly.

>>115342360
These two events are not comparable in importance. A collab marathon is not the same as a fucking 10th anniversary. Dumbass.

>>115342393
A collab marathon mogged 10 year anniversary in this case.

>camila
im noticing.

>>115342393
you're such a retard lmao

>Crelly and Koko thrown under the bus
At least now they'll stop trying to make the Tootiepies a thing

>>115342593
Well she is a worse version of Crelly.

>>115342636
In what way is she a version of Crelly?

>>115341965
how incredibly embarrassing for you to think being that emotionally invested in someone you'll never meet is normal
you are the weird one

>>115339525
I knew about her because she was the slut that destroyed a group of streamers i used to watch.

>>115342267
Retard

>>115337545
Layna is a bipolar woman, vedal is a businessman, he wont fold.

>>115342267
>the people who she thought gave a shit about her
this is actually impressively economical in how pathetic it is
>the people
the streamer she orbits
>she thought
incorrectly so
>gave a shit about her
where "giving a shit" means "putting the career of an orbiter before their own"
the world doesn't revolve around your unrequited emotional fixation

>>115342710
Criken? Wasn't he already splitting from the crew barring Sam long before Layna entered the picture and made him even more insane?

>>115337545
>complains to vedal orbiters about Filian neglecting her as a friend
>later gets her anni ruined by the guy himself
Welcome to /BIG/ fields motherfucker. Sinder has warned everyone that business comes first here, why didn't this fleshie learn?

>>115342267
>the people who she thought gave a shit about her showed just how little they actually do
Her fans give a shit, surely? But she cancelled on them showing how little she actually cares about them...

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>>115337545
>catalog being spammed with anti-Vedal posts
>look inside
>it's just another Twitch vtuber high schooler woman moment
>once again they bitch in public for pity points instead of discussing it privately like the adults they supposedly are

Fucking hell Layna, just shut up and stick to playing horror kusoge.

>>115343005
Her fans are from /swarm/ so she doesn't actually have a following when neuro is streaming

>>115342393
You're so right. I rewrote the anons greentext just for you. It sounds soo much better now.
>be me
>hit 40
>good place in life, secure financially, settled, healthy family
>want to celebrate birthday
>organize big even
>3 day weekend
>hyuge budget
>OMG some other dude is having a barbecue on the same weekend
>cancel everything
>bitch on twitter
>sob
>kill career
t. layna probably

>>115337545
Every time I see the turtle brought up here I am reminded at just how smart he is. He refused to get trapped in a schizo relstionship with that menhera Anny and now Layna is trying to bait him into fucking up and he won't bite. He doesn't take shit and just continues doing what he does. Truly one of a kind in this industry of psychos.

I don't even watch Neuro, but every single time there is drama Vedal literally has done nothing wrong. The Anny falling out was Anny's fault. The Toma falling out was Toma's fault. Layna sperging out over an event overlap is her fault. Being a male vtuber must be like walking through a minefield.

>>115343122
You have to give it to him, he has been shipped with Anny, Filian and Camilla to mention some but he understands that he should never stick his dick in crazy, he just wants to meddle with code while his AI daughters manage the business.

>>115338200
>memoryholes all of the holo and niji drama over the last six years

i don't mean this as a dig at vedal but i understand you can't really take it any other way but
why does it seem like all of vedal's orbiters are, without exception, retarded? instead of electrons orbiting his nucleus, it's women moments

>>115343148
>The Toma falling out was Toma's fault.
Did the tomato girl want his dick too or whatever happened there?

>>115343122
He's the type of guy the women would call an incel if he wasn't famous.

>>115338235
the correct choice is to side with neither of them
she made her choice becoming a male collaber

>>115343168
The Selen drama was western.

>>115343182
The vile whore tried to defile our holy virgin but was repelled just in time by the secret art of hoe shattering fist

>>115343148
This must be what they call a shit test and he's passing every time.

>>115343196
shush cuckie, the adults are talking about reality right now, this isn't a lit thread.

>>115337545
Shit like this is exactly why we need AI vtubers. Literally all of the drama would be gone and they would do what they are supposed to fucking do, which is act cute and stream.

>>115343206
A drama ENTIRELY Japanese in its sensibilities, events and perpetrators. the only thing western about it was the victim.

>>115338235
Believe all women!

>>115343182
Probably yeah. They met IRL at a con then afterwards she vague posted about someone being rude to her and stopped associating with him and Mini.

>>115337545
Theres a clip of Layne with Numi and one other girl, talking about their weird experiences.
Layna literally said that she once tried to suck a guys dick with an ice cube in her mouth but he got overly excited and started peeing in her mouth.

THIS IS WHO FAGGY WHITE KNIGHTS IN THIS THREAD ARE DEFENDING HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>115341996
All vtubers are numberfags, even if some claim otherwise. It's kind of necessary to be one when your income depends on numbers (although a lot less than numberfags /here/ like to claim as long as you're a high 3view). But if you're hosting an event two big companies are sponsoring you don't want the potential audience to be reduced through overlap because it'd reduce the opportunity for future sponsorships. Having said that I don't watch Layna or Neuro so I've no idea how justified her fears are - but I will say is that whenever I see clips of her she's either with Neuro or talking about her, so I imagine there probably is a large overlap of fanbases.

>>115341940
>6-10k ccv
Lying is a sin anon

>>115343280
Why does Vedal associate with this gutter trash?

>>115343051
Her everyday schedule lines up almost exactly with Vedal's and she always has 2 to 3k people watching

Whores of a feather.

>>115343326
Indians are used to living in it.

>>115337545
I feel like people way overestimate the effects of clashing events for streaming stuff. This isnt network tv where everyone sits down on the couch and watches it without interruption; most people are swappping between different streams and doing gacha dailies or whatever

>>115343182
Vedal funded her trip to some con.
Toma thought that meant they were going as friends and would be glued together.
Vedal wanted to do his own thing.
Toma felt abandoned.
It was not clear if Vedal explicitly told Toma she couldn't tag along with whatever he was doing, or if Toma explicitly asked if she could.

Appears to be a communication issue from both sides about expectations.
The assumptions both had were reasonable to hold. Though I would side more with Toma here. If you sponsor someone to go on the same vacation you're going to, you'd expect to hang out together at some level.
Toma made it sound like Vedal would not associate with her at the con.

>>115343386
>Toma made it sound like Vedal would not associate with her at the con.
it's funny that you glazed Toma in your revisionist assessment but still put this line in to completely sink any chance of sympathy inadvertently

>>115343358
Not to give any defence to the swarm (because on this board and elsewhere they're an obnoxious fucking cancer generally) but not only has he shown his hands in a clip, and he's even been doxed. He's white.

>>115337545
>10 years as a twitch partner
>same small audience as r/swarm/ and the rest of the ass cancer-verse
Vtubing is greater for her loss.

>>115343229
>A drama ENTIRELY Japanese in its sensibilities
I don't think you can name 3 similar nip events outside of niji

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>decide to announce need to postpone event
>intentionally and openly blaming vedal for it
>vedal isnt even involved in the event itself
>backtracks and insist the vedal stream will be great
What in the fuck was this bitch thinking?

>>115343508
Nta but Wactor, to name one.

this public attention-begging melty is obviously embarrassing for her for a number of reasons, but i think the most damning is just the abject lack of shame in admitting the overlap in her audience despite the ten years of streaming. the 'achievement' of 10 years means a lot less when you're admitting you orbited to get there in the same breath.

insane bpd moment holy shit

>>115343508
Didn't Nijisanji Korea shut down for more or less the same reasons?

>>115343326
He has allowed onlyfans whores into his circle since the very beginning. I assume he doesn't care what they do behind the mask as long as they keep it off his streams

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>>115337545
SPONSORS > VIEWERS

She did right here, the sponsors wouldve been unhappy with the numbers. It is very inconsiderate for several other vtubers she mentioned to decide to have a date that fits all of them for a collab that intersects with this Vtubers sponsor stream.

If you're a vtuber and DONT check schedules of your mutuals or people you collabed with before, or you think your audience would also watch before you decide to stream, then you're just a shitty person. Streaming isn't about fun, it's about making business.

>>115339223
this is fucking embarrassing. this is her waking up the day after and realizes how retarded her overreaction was

>>115343551
>intentionally and openly
>>115339501

>>115339223
She should really kill herself.

>>115343326
>>115343675
He was a fan of Anny before he started Neuro (or at least before Neuro actually became a vtuber). He clearly is into that kind of content. Though to give him credit it he at least doesn't fawn over them (and actually rejected Anny when she said she had feelings for him).

good. Laynas chat is full of beta sjw soys

It should have been fatmila. Then we'd finally be rid of her

>>115344078
She will never ditch the Neuro gravy train.

>>115344078
Unlike Layna her audience legitimately is only swarm

>>115337545
based english fag.

>>115337545
kill vedal, free neuro.

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I never realised how many fucking girls live off the swarm fanbase. It now makes sense why Vedal didn't want to fuck Anny.

How long until they group up and do a google doccy because Vedal keeps fucking more than one girl?

>>115344335
vedal is gay tho

>>115344335
When you're a lazy green faggot that does absolutely nothing there's nothing to put in a doc

>>115344407
he's not going to fuck your gay ass

>>115338145
>Competition is bullying and wrong
Do communists really believe this?

>>115344335
The problem is Vedal ISN'T fucking them, thus making their menhera spiral out of control.

>>115344078
i don't go into swarm spaces, i just watch vods with no chat.
is she not well liked by the swarm?

>>115338051
You sound so retarded that I can't help believe that what you're saying is complete bullshit and a woman had a woman moment.

>>115337545
>go to /pw/
>people complaining about counter-programming
>go to /vt/
>people complaining about counter-programming
funny how that happens

>>115344564
She's not well liked by /swarm/ because she's a twitter grifter

>>115344564
Nta but no vtubers are well liked by the swarm. The swarm are almost all complete tourists to vtubing and hate vtubers. You can see it on this board (most of the anons in /swarm/ are from /g/, most of the ones on other sites are also people who only got into vtubing through Neuro and barely watch anyone else). If you go into /swarm/ at random points it reads exactly like /#/ - shitting on and seething at every vtubar Vedal interactswithand also occasionally ones he's never interacted with. They're generally vtuber antis.

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>>115344335
>>115344547
I'm convinced Vedal is literally too much of an absent minded autist with savant syndrome to develop romantic connections.

>>115344564
lmao no, she's a mega grifter, she supported and still supports that fat hog deme even if she outright shit on the production behind Neuro's song calling it all soulless AI slop when nothing other than the voice was generated, and this last one is has heavy edition put into it to make it sound good. She also claimed to be family friendly and now she went back to being goonerbait, swarm hates whores so this is a regression on her part

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>>115344684
In Deme's defense, Neuro did call her fat

>>115344680
He's probably just too smart to do it with an egirl. Everyone saw what happened with sykkuni when he slept with a whore.

>>115344657
>>115344684
/swarm/ is not swarm, most people in the community like her

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>>115344765
The twins are known to be based, yes.

>>115343206
That poor pink vtuber got harassed out of her entire job and Holo barely lifted a finger to do anything about it.

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>>115344828

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>>115343206
Didn't it happen in the first place because she had to deal with autistic perms due to Nijisanji being a Japanese company? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she get permission from the song creator herself, but the managers were the hold up? Had she been in a western company, releasing the song wouldn't have been a problem at all.

>>115345178
She got approval for the audio, management was still checking things internally on the video. Problem was she waiting until the day before release to send them the video to review, and because they weren't fast enough, she released the video without approval.

>>115344680
I don't think people actually understand why some others say streamers are generally the worst kind of woman you could possibly get. No one wants a sword of damocles which could fall and ruin your entire life and source of income just because the weather was a little off or they had a dream where you did something they didnt like.
Never, ever, date or even dick an egirl unless you have, and will have, literally nothing to lose.

>>115344784
>>115344784
Given the behaviour of some of the swarm in chats and on twitter I'm not convinced this is the case. I'm sure some are fine people but a lot of them are clearly not only tourists but also vtuber antis. I think their support for the vtubers Vedal interacts with is only proportional to the beenfit they see in making Neuro more famous. Their hate for Ironmouse extends off this board for example, as do their repeated complaints about voting being fixed when Dokibird's fanbase won "most dedicated fanbase" at the vtuber awards or claiming they were undeserving. It's pretty clear to me that a lot of the swarm are cunts who'll turn on anyone that proves no longer useful. You could see it after Anny stepped away - Vedal had to actually address the harassment she was receiving and tell them to stop - he obviously wasn't talking about posts here calling her a fat hog or whatever.

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>>115345375
>Their hate for Ironmouse
You flew too close to the Sun with this one, IMspamschizo.

>>115337545
she has been retarted about collab times before. No wonder when something doesnt go her way it leads to this. First 3 ish minutes are relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1i0jFh-weA

>>115345291
How is this different for a streamer woman compared to any other woman, though?

>>115345375
>Their hate for Ironmouse extends off this board
No longer true after the fortnite collab. Anybody who approves of AI is an ally

>>115344769
Sykkuni got away with it though. You brought up a valid point though.

>>115345455
I've noticed this from anons like you (maybe even you're the same one I've talked with before in a catalog thread about you guys hating vtubers) - you're very much like /#/ when it comes to being called out. Both generals like to claim "oh it's just falseflaggers" but when it's so consistent then no, it's not. And again I've seen attacks on Ironmouse from swarmfags on twitter, attacks (though not as harsh) on Dokibird on twitter around the time of the vtuber awards, and as I say Vedal himself had to tell you guys to fucking stop attacking Anny. If you're not one of the ones constantly attacking vtubers then you should acknowledge your community has an issue;if you are one of the ones doing it at least have the balls to be honest in catalog threads.

>>115345621
Nta but regular egirls tend to have to give at least some kind of evidence you did something wrong. A streamer woman has a fanbase and connections and so if they accuse you of something it doesn't matter whether legally you did; your career and maybe life is over. It sometimes happens with ordinary women too, but a streamer has much more pull and far more people willing to believe her.

>>115345665
We(*) don't care, simple as that

>>115345714
Yeah that's why most of your general wheneverive gone in it because I'm watching a Neuro stream seems to be you spending more time either cunnyposting (which I don't have an issue with personally, though it's not for me), some (or multiple gay guys/women lusting after Vedal (again, not for me but fair) or shitting on other chuubas. You seem to rarely even discuss streams when they're happening. I'm sure some of it is falseflagging but not all of it.

shondo was right about vedal and his gay cult

>>115345788
There is a constant tension between neuro fans and neuro-collab partner fans, yes. It's honestly getting worse as time goes on and the channel's content-wise stagnation

>>115345810
I don't think Vedal himself is a bad guy personally - he's just autistic like all Brits. The swarm are faggots though.

>>115337545
damn he was actually pounding that fine lass? women only act like this and call someone out directly when a romantic relationship breaks down / they destroy it yet act like the victim (more common) (i'm projecting)

>>115345810
>shondo was right about [insert literally anything here]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron

>>115345810
And she couldn't keep her mom from killing herself.

Somehow, Vedal is to blame for the alignment of the stars. Layna didn't have what it takes and feared the ratings race so much she caved under pressure.

>>115345992
A sane person struggles to stop an insane person from from killing themself if they want to do it enough. Someone with schizo-affective disorder definitely isn't going to be able to. It is a good argument for eugenics though (either voluntary or otherwise)

>>115345810
Swarm can be annoying but what exactly has Vedal done wrong?

>>115346064
Nothing

did vedal planned to stream the whole 10 days as well or what

>>115346105
Vedal is not the host of this collab

>>115345375
Literally just look at chat when Camila is around, swarm overwhelmingly likes her. A claim like
>The swarm are almost all complete tourists to vtubing and hate vtubers
is complete nonsense and you're generalizing the behaviour of a few people to an entire community.

>>115346168
>when Camila is around
That doesn't really address what I said about support being proportional to how a vtuber benefits Neuro/Vedal. Of course they're going to support her in chat (I'm sure some of them genuinely do) but I really think a lot are supportive because they know it will drive in more clips, which will drive in more viewership. Obviously Camila also benefited from the relationship but she was initially the more established vtuber. And I'm sure some swarm members are genuine in their support, but I don't think most are.
>generalizing the behaviour
There's:
>camila
>ironmouse
>dokibird
>anny
That's called pattern recognition. It doesn't mean every single person of that group is bad, but it's completely reasonable to assume a lot are.

>>115339525
>>115337599
Isn't this girl from the Filian circle, has male collabed and has a really weird annoying voice?
I don't get why we'd want her in holo

>>115346683
Who is we

>>115346721
Dunno been seeing a lot of people "OMG FRAIKI IN HOLO? YASS" type of posts out there

>>115346663
>I really think a lot are supportive because they know it will drive in more clips, which will drive in more viewership.
Holy numberfag brainrot. Nobody thinks like this, get your brain checked.

Point is, Vedal is King Von, Ayanokoji Kiyotaka, and Yuuichi Katagiri combined.

Vedal is God.

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How does he manage to mog people without even trying?

>>115339657
Is the mod female? And is she still sending if you ask?

I know that this sounds kinda schizo but anyone else feels like Layna is at her core evil and always trying to suppress it?

>>115343122
>>115343158
Anny was worth it since she was a good mom for the twins. If she was fat or anything, she could just go to the gym or something.

Why didn't she just ask the swarm to open 2 tabs at the same time?

#beastmode

>>115346760
Again I've read /swarm/; I've seen posts on twitter from swarm. You absolutely DO care about numbers and exposure. Maybe not you personally but certainly a lot of you. Again I'd suggest if you're not one of the people doing this call it out (there's obviously no point on this board) but on twitter or discord or whatever. Because I can tell you now your fanbase is starting to build up an extremely shitty reputation and eventually that will come back to bite you in the ass. I like Vedal, I like Neuro - but the swarm are largely a bunch of cunts.

Do I misremember or did this layna woman do something bad in the past
I feel like I heard the name before

>>115346999
That's just women in general anon

>>115347196
She wasn't the one in the wrong in the occasion you're mentioning. Not sure about this one.
Here's the one you're probably remembering. The other chuuba left vtubing.
>>113875193

>>115338145
then dont make your career off of being a leech

>>115346683
>this anon is too new to know what other Holos did as indies
Fraiki's comparatively a saint.

>>115337545
That is shitty af on Layna's side. Shes basically admitting she's an absolute number monkey, and she doesn't give a fuck about her loyal viewers that would love to watch her because vedal existing out there might lower her numbers a bit. Also, I don't believe vedal ever thought of making it on purpose or swarm ever "bullying" her lmao

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The moment your oshi collabs with this GPTslop bot you need to drop her cause the community will immediately be enshittified. the swarm doesnt care for vtubing and actively hates it and is siding with neuro for culture war reasons so they can "own" the anti ai luddies

>>115345810
what did she say?

>>115342878
Nah, Tomato was still friendly and regularly talking/gaming with the group up until Criken/Layna broke up and Layna accused the group of being sexist.

>>115347408
Nta but I think you're ignoring the general Holofag bizarre fixation with purity plus the idea that all "sins" are written off when the girls join Holo. Makes no sense but that's what quite a few of them believe. So not necessarily a newfag.

>>115347463
>Holofag bizarre fixation with purity
Is this what "caring about vtubing" means? The whole idol purity shit?

>>115347448
she's so cute bros....

>>115347463
Fair enough I guess. I remember them insisting that Shiori was GFE and would never male collab for over a year after she debuted lol.

Layna talking about how much she loves warhammer and couldn't wait to get super into it just because Criken was playing total war with his friends was funny.

She's always been a huge pick-me that starts drama as soon as she can't leech off other people anymore.

>>115347545
I feel like that's been most vtubers with Warhammer when that phase happened, at least some of them bought and painted models.

>>115347515
>Is this what "caring about vtubing" means?
No, not from my point of view. But it is to Holofags (and to some Nijifags). I think caring about vtubing means immediately shitting on a chuuba because they stream on a platform you don't like/use, or shit on them because they collab with males or because they don't collab with males. Or because they choose to go the idol route or not go the idol route (it's a common lie used in the West that all JP vtubers do the idol stuff - because most Western fans are EOPs or similar who can't speak JP and so have no idea what the JP vtuber scene is like). For what it's worth I have nothing against idol vtubers. I love many. But there're many faggots on this board who pretend to know things and then shit on other chuubas (some of them are even chuubas themselves).

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>>115337599
rip sweet princess, the only tolerable frenchie i ever done sawr.

>>115342033
based!

>>115347738 (me)
>I think caring about vtubing means immediately shitting
I of course meant NOT immediately shitting*

>>115342386
>Not to mention be a worse Crelly.
i belib it.
crelly may be cow irl, but online, she has booba and is for milking.

>>115347628
I guess, yeah. I just remember hating whenever she would show up on stream with her fake "Oh my god I love warhammer so much guys!!!" shit

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>>115347463
Vtubers are supposed to be "anime girls but in real life". They are a character.
When a new vtuber debuts, all their prior history should be ignored as that history is associated with their "roommate". Not the vtuber themselves. So (for example) even if their roommate did male collabs it does not mean that the vtuber themselves will collab with male. An aside, the whole caring about male collab thing is stupid in the first place but that's GFE for you.

It's similar to actors/voice actors. Just because Haruhi's va is a slut who slept with everyone, EXCEPT the bassist, doesn't mean that Haruhi is a slut who'd sleep with everyone. Christian Bale isn't a yuppie schizoid just because he played Patrick Bateman.

>>115347804
She played Darktide for like a week, true Warhammer fan.

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This the bitch that broke up my Criken x Tomato bromance so fuck her even if I hate the Vedal faggot too. Probably mad someone didnt give her right of way cus she hot and sweet talks to get her way

>>115347830
Fair, but then you also have people (both on this board and elsewhere) that will turn this against certain Holos if they think they've done something "wrong" and will dray up roommate identity when they want to. I presume you're also someone who used to be on /jp/ before /vt/, so I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. It just seems hypocritical. Sometimes it matters; sometimes it doesn't. I know this isn't all fans of Hololive.

>>115343182
She literally asked him "What are we?".

>>115345992
That one was UK healthcare system.

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>>115343182

Layna's a fleshtuber why is this on /vt/?

>>115347963
Fair point. That's the unfortunate side of things. Once a certain type of fan gets "wronged" (legitimate or not), they throw away the rules and just talk about roommate shit out of spite. Then you have other fans who look up and post roommate shit as a means of showing off "how dedicated" they are, while ruining the anime immersion. Hell, people do it to this day. When Shiina (phase connect lol) collabed with a male there were NUMEROUS Wonton threads despite that incident being associated with her past life/roommate.

>>115348022
We're not Canada quite yet. But for mental health yeah you're pretty fucked unless you hang on for a bit. We aren't actually deliberately killing people though -and private health insurance isn't banned.

I hate everyone involved except for Layna and Camila's ass but I'm wondering does Layna expect the guy to not stream for 10 days when she eventually does her thing?

>>115348157
>spoiler
I'll be honest, back on /jp/ I thought the jannies were too restrictive (they were sometimes on this board too in the early days) but nowadays it seems anything goes. I'm pretty sure most anons who frequent catalog threads or were around at the time know about the incident, but I don't think it's great for multiple threads to reach bump limit talking about things like this. It's a bit like MAD in my mind - one side doesn't talk about something, the other doesn't talk doesn't talk about something. I just don't think it's healthy for a board culture and I think it's contributed to everything getting fucked up (amongst other things).

>>115344078
She just got a shit ton of money from her subathon exclusively from leeching neuro, she's not gonna stop sucking vedal's cock anytime soon

>>115348306
It is a huge contributor as thread generals are isolated so the only way to get attention is to be sensational. Thus most catalog threads push that to the limit as the more sensational, the more likely anons are to view and post. Jannies have become looser with the rules due to both the hack and multiple demoralising yabs jading them.

This only vindicates Filipino Frank she did nothing wrong, in fact fuck how do we know she isn't blackmailing her with releasing anything remotely personal she is deathly afraid of coming out?
>inb4 "nuh uh she wouldn't"
How do you know? HOW DO YOU KNOW!?

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>>115347448
Neuro literally proves the luddites are wrong so yes, I support Neuro

ligshitskins on suicide watch KEKYPOW

>>115337545
Based
Those who insult India suffer

idc
whore vs fag
nobody cares

>>115338051
Enjoy your vacation loser

>>115342033
patriot

swarmfags need to be exterminated

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Have you forgiven her yet?

>>115345375
>>115345665
shut up retard and go give money to ironlung so she can sell you her next sloppa generated album

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>>115346999
i felt in one collab, i'm not sure i remember the game right, but i'm 95% sure it was No I'm Not Human, that this was extremely true. her creepy avatar (derogatory usage, not theme usage) and the way she was behaving was ironically (for the game being played) so bizarre and distant. i don't normally pay enough attention to collabs to say if there's been other times, but for this one to stand out the way it did while i was focused on whatever else, likely work, still stands out to me.
it just made me uncomfortable, and i wrote it down as her trying to be weird during a horror game with an ai that can't get scared at the time, but you bringing this up resurfaced it. like the cheating girlfriend in office space, she just gives you this feeling..

>>115346683
Guess what, your mom is also a male collaborator.

>>115351077
Yeah she's a slut, what's your point

>>115346999
i fucking hate the swarmniggers but Layna is a snake

>>115337545
>I'm not gonna have as many eyes on my stuff because of your event so I'm cancelling everything and throwing a hissyfit
Jesus christ

>>115338045
This right here. Lay a straight up says in her post that she shares a lot of community overlap with Camila, Crelly, Koko, and Vedal. She was banking on them attending her stream, but they had other plans.

>>115343122
She was menhera and fat. Menhera and hot is one thing.
>>115347003
>she could just go to the gym or something.
Naive, or just retarded. Fatness is in the mind and a state of mind. Half heartedly going to the gym only to give up and gorge on goyslop immediately afterwards is not than likely with those kinds.

>>115351231
They could have sex once while slim, if she gets fat again later it doesn't matter anymore.

>>115338051
Isn't vedal a jeet? This is typical jeet behaviour. I"m starting to suspect that vedal contacted her and demanded she stop her 10 day stream because he was doing his long stream. Jeet would.

>>115353013
If you have this power, you don't need to do something because it will happen naturally, as it did

>>115353013
Sponsors adviced her to postpone the event, otherwise why bring them in your message?

>>115337545
uh based?
i like vedal now

>>115337545
Why would you destroy your own event and own career in a major crash out instead of just rescheduling to the next week? Like what??

>>115353253
She has these crash outs all the time. Typical narcissistic streamer mentality, the whole world needs to revolve around them

>>115350272
I never stopped liking this big titted mean girl rapist dyke.

>>115345249
well that and the whole build up of constant JPisms over the course of her time with them leading to management's terrible (if not malicious) time management being the straw that broke the camel's back.

As a filian fan layna was easily in the top for most boring collab partner that she frequently brought on. Either she’d always be chastising filian or never going along with her bits. Also snaked her and ditched filian’s irl hole in the wall event and had filian scrambling to find replacements for it