Since we now know there is no new holo(en) gen it's practically confirmed she will join izigenia. Too bad that corpo will fall apart 6 months in and she will be left with nothing and disappear for good.

>>115488446
wtf is izigenia? where is this coming from?

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>>115488032
Never forget what Hololive took from us

>>115488032
>>115488446
She is joining NijiEN

>>115488652
The grimmest of timelines. What would being in Niji do for her? find a Vtuber husband?

>>115488608
she chose to graduate and leave cloudtomos

>>115488854
Hope whatever it is she left cloudtomos for is worth it.

>>115488032
NENEHANAWHORESVODSDELETEAPOLOGIZE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>115488446
>Since we now know there is no new holo(en) gen
citation needed

>>115488854
it’s v4mirai

>>115488032
can't wait for her to phase in since Cover just saw their new bilingual talent flop

>>115488032
Get ready to Phase in, bro

>>115489113
>>115489106
Phase would be preferable to Hololive because at least she would continue to stream.

excited to see her again when she debuts in holo

>>115489261
>again
you never watched her

>>115489194
but she wants to be an idol

>>115489276
unlike you asmr tards i actually watched her stream

>>115489106
>>115489113
As a long time Cloudtomo I would prefer if it was Phase
I'm not a phasefag but I despise Hololive and their fans

>>115489362
both phase and holo fans are insufferable

>>115489362
Keep seething Phasekek

>>115489362
thanks for the talented idol cloudtomo we'll take good care of her in holo

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>>115488854
she's going back to jamaica
https://files.catbox.moe/aooyoc.mp4

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miss this big nigga like you wouldnt believe

>>115489334
They sing and dance on a stage too with Phase, but yeah Hololive is the opportunity to be a bigger idol.

DESU Eonia was holding her back.

>>115489427
that's like saying the paralympics is on the same level as the Olympics

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Hololive could NEVER make a design this good, she'll get a shitty model that will be a huge downgrade

>>115489449
and we'll still love her unlike you hateful indie freaks

>>115489405
grim for holokeks

>>115489449
Not only will the design be lacking, but the quality as well.

I heard that she has a very slight hint of chudiness, is that true?

>>115489694
No she's a Cali woke hapa. She'll love Critical Role

>>115489694
Her existence is chud/incel pandering.

>>115489670
>No more ASMR
>Perms autism means no more reading/dubbing streams
>Infinitely inferior design and model


Might as well just be a completely different person behind the voice

>>115489798
If she streams almost every day and says long goodbyes, it's salvageable.
If she becomes a loli however... pain...

>>115488032
Thanks for beta testing for us lig bros
t.corpofag

>>115489798
>”Unless she phases in of course! Then it’s all GREAT!!”
How about you go watch Tenma give Hakka a blowie

>>115489362
She at least has friends in Phase. I could see it happening.

>>115490872
heard people saying nene was close with fuwamoco

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>>115490722
Thanks for getting a bunch of top indies started, corpo bro.

>>115490957
Not as much as she was with Lua/Malice.

>>115490957
>Nene’s sudden graduation is actually because shes replacing Mococo

Would be funny

>>115491066
if she was joining phase because of friends, then it would make sense i guess

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>>115490957
They collabed once and talked a few times off stream but that's it
Malice (Lua) however is a very close friend to Nene, when Nene lived in Japan they would hang out together all the time, and this one time when there was an earthquake during one of Nene's streams the first thing Nene did was call Lua to make sure she was ok, it was pretty cute

i know this isnt the thread for this but i feel like people do most of their detective work on where someone goes but never the why.
>money
sure but the argument is that while in the corpo landscape people tend to think its either holo or bust

in the indie sphere unless you're cliquey which has shown to blow up constantly its either be ironmouse or bust.
what if being indie is hard? they dont want to stop but they need help to do shit they cant/dont want to do? is it still 'abandoning' their fans if they knew the alternative?

>>115491125
I wouldn't forgive fishman for not letting her join as Nene

>>115491210
i figured nene would want to go to holo for idol stuff, but a couple here think she’s joining phase to be with a friend

>>115488652
That's the worst possible outcome.

>>115491261
I don't think she's joining Phase just because of Lua, I'm just explaining that she was actually really close to Lua

>>115489718
dilate

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>>115489798
>Perms autism means no more reading/dubbing streams
Yeah, Nene has NEVER been in a JAPANESE CORPORATION before and done reading streams...

>>115491210
Everyone that mentioned Holo also mentioned Idol stuff as the possible reason.
I hope she gets another semen demon model.

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>>115491066
>>115491125
>>115491259
Nene was stitched at the hip to Charlotte Suzu and EONIA. I can only think of one reason she would step away from that.

>>115491747
This is Holo we're talking about. They one of the worst with perm autism

>>115491795
A manager left and they were running without one.

>>115491795
>They one of the worst with perm autism
Culture was pretty damn anal about fax machines

>>115491872
yeah, capcom fucking mio over really made them paranoid

>One of the biggest indie ASMR vtubers on the planet
>People still watch her ASMR five years later in the thousand consistently
>Hey let me join one of these dying corpos after wasting half a decade building a brand
Women hurt my brain.
Now she will rot away without doing ASMR, just great.

>>115491981
youtube is shooting ASMR dead on sight even uber seiso like Nene

>>115489449
>big tits
>heart ahoge
>half off jacket
Isn't that literally just Lamy?

>>115492036
Some of us want English speaking versions.

>>115488608
Hololive gens past 2022 get tons of input on their models pre debut. Whatever she debut has you will know she had tons of input. That's why Raora is damn near the same model she had as an indie, just a cat instead of dog.

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>>115488608
And this one

>>115492162
So what you're saying is, she's going to be a succubus with gargantuan udders and the widest child bearing hips.

>>115492255
if that is what she wants. She still is at the mercy of youtube censors

>>115492255
choco?

>>115492162
>>115492255
Just don't forget "Nene Amano" wasn't created by her, it was created by Koshita, and even her new model by Deyui is still based on her original model
We don't know what Nene herself wants in a vtuber model

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>>115492325
>We don't know what Nene herself wants in a vtuber model
Dumbass. We know she designed her current model to be exactly what she wanted with some tributes to the original Nene. She built the character of Nene Amano from the ground up when she was "plain girl with pink sweater and derpy face"

>>115492380
But she's still an angel with huge tits and desaturated dark blue hair, she never chose that

>>115492423
She specifically demanded her breasts get bigger every time she got a new model

>>115492423
She wrote the intro herself before debut. I am willing to believe Koshita had little in his head besides his waifu
Another fun fact: he scouted Nene personally. He should have become a talent scout for Cover.

>>115492325
>>115492380
>>115492423
>>115492447
Look the most important thing is she has huge milkers. Even better if she inflates them again.

>>115492733
you have big dreams. i hope it comes true.

>>115488032
She still owes me paizuri

all the holo beggers in this thread are so funny she is streaming right now maybe you should shut the fuck up and watch the final stream

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>>115492733
even if they're big, they'll never be this big

>>115492929
damn i can hide my tablet in there

Anyone have the archive link for the old nene threads?

I cant find them and need something to cope.

>>115493257
No fan of Nene wants to read /pkg/. Fuck off.

>>115493336
cmon man, her backstabbing me to go corpo is bad enough, no need to make it worse

>>115493402
>backstabbing
what

>>115493402
How much money have you spent??

>>115493402
>her backstabbing me to go corpo is bad enough
snakes, rats and gossiping sisters all of you
shame on you all

>>115493336
/pkg/ was peak comfy before the schizo started shitting it up

Oh she's farming superchats now. Let's see how long it will last. Do cloudtomos have enough money to make her stay till tomorrow, delaying her graduation by one day?

>>115493481
3 years and some months of the highest tier, around 7.600 usd just on patreon, god what a waste

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How will we fill these 2 massive voids in the vtubesphere...

>>115493601
Anon, she can't live on 3kUSD per year. You need to support your waifu's dreams and be happy for her.
Has she done anything for you personally?

>>115493727
she's the only reason i haven't killed myself yet, i got ptsd and can barely sleep at night, finding her back in 2021 helped me deal with it.

>>115489362
If it was phase she could wait until an invader wave had openings. That and I doubt they have much more to offer her to justify the graduation.

Though it's funny to hear that when she seems more a Holo talent than Phase. But yeah speaking as a Holo fan, others can be obnoxious, and the phase chuds are little better

>>115493858
Maybe if you contribute 5figs per year you can have her on speed dial.

>>115492036
But Nene doesn't drink

>>115494078
if i had that much money id have bought production kawai when it went under, but alas

>>115494112
Much. She responsibly apple juice'd in moderation sparingly.

>>115494076
What don't you holo people understand about nene not wanting to sell the character. She owns the IP of nene amano and will not sell it. She would rather debut with a new character meaning anywhere is fair game so all this talk is just pointless drama

>>115494353
Ungraduating an IP after this kind of ceremony is not done like changing a pair of pants anon

>>115494353
That's the same way with some of the invaders. Jelly, Ember, & Dizzy decided to debut with a new IP so that they could always ungraduate the IP they actually own if Phase didn't work out

>>115494308
I liked when she was so drunk she started laughing after saying "pee pee poo poo"

>>115494614
that’s so damn hot

>phasebeggars are still trying
lol

>>115490960
Truly Equilibrium

;_____;

oh god not this fucking song again, im out of cry passes

>>115494584
I assume Jelly Ember & Dizzy din't have sub count to be Top 3 in the company? There no guarentee that she will ever get near her current sub count.

>>115494733
>to be Top 3 in the company?
Nene would be #1. Full stop. She has more subs than Pippa.

>>115494230
10k per year per talent would not have saved Kawaii.
At best it would allow you to timeshare 1 girl

>>115494547
I am saying the speculation is pointless because no one knows what corpo she is going too. It can be any of them because she is retiring her old IP. She could go to any corpo literally any of them as this new character. So it's useless to speculate and only serves to make unneeded drama. No one can say where she is going or that they know for sure so it's all pointless high school lunchroom woman gossip

oh no bros.. it’s about to be over…

>>115494771
>timeshareing nene

Good enough for me.

>>115494835
You appear to be "neutral" while being anti-holo for no reason

>>115488032
Adios!

>>115494835
being neutral is having the understanding to know that anything other than holo would be a downgrade from her position

Guess this is it...

hope she comes back as Nene someday

I have never seen a girl being so obvious about reincarnating like this

>>115494912
yeah, she seems really excited about what she’s going to do next

>>115494733
>>115494765
Do all you niggas just care about the sub count? Like damn

>>115494885
I hope she goes to any other corp to mind break all the holodrones
Thought it would probably mindbreak cloudtomos more.

>>115494912
She literally said at the start of the stream that we'll be seeing her again.

>>115494765
Anon her sub count didn’t contribute to her active ccv. Her non-asmr streams hovered around 300 viewers which would put her in like the bottom 10 girls at Phase.

>>115494912
>>115494955
yea, but ill miss clicking on her shitty clickbait shorts, or re watching the members only watchalongs when im sad,

And now she's crying, *sigh*

>fansa

be happy :)

>>115494885
Sort of?
She can get up to 2k CCV in ASMR but her regular streams range from 200 to 300 CCV, while some girls in Phase can get 1k CCV just with regular streams, so Phase would still be an improvement, just not a huge one like Hololive

>>115494912
>>115494938
>>115494955
I hope she comes back soon. The withdrawal is already kicking in

>>115494852
Yes i am neutral i refuse to speculate on things i don't know about. Because wherever she goes i will be there supporting her. So it doesn't matter to me at all it really doesn't. Building up false hope that it's one company over the others is just dumb.

the last beam...

Final Tenshi Beam incoming, brace!

>>115495028
just gotta keep an eye for any news in the next few months

>>115494885
fuck off with that you don't even care about her if that's your take on this

I got it

anyone have the drive+barbie watchalong archived?

feel like rewatching it and the membership is going to vanish soon

>>115495017
That and most of the phase girls make a fuck ton off of merch. Even Mari and Clio have said they make considerably more after joining.

>>115488717
>The grimmest of timelines. What would being in Niji do for her? find a Vtuber husband?
oddly, no one in niji has gotten married but they have destroyed one guy's marriage.

>>115495147
that ren ratt was true?

I always love when she starts singing about missing us at the end of stream

#IMISSNENE

gonna miss the slow days with only 150 viewers, so long tomos

owarida

owari da…

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it's so over...

I miss Nene

i hope she has bigger boobs when we see her next time

I was not ready. See you again.

I cant escape this never ending void!!!

Gonna wip out the everclear and drink till she appears again

I'm gonna need sleeping meds to sleep tonight, I feel so depressed and anxious

>>115494938
Hopefully it'll be justified and it's a great place

I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before they were over...

>>115495328
same sadge

>>115495297
if its nijisanji im killing myself,

Seeing the theme of the song, maybe she was planing this for a while?

>>115495359
i can’t imagine her fitting in with nijien

>>115495388
That's what makes it worse

just accept she's going to holo and enjoy your cute new idol, the coping is pathetic

that was a nice song

>>115495359
>she was planing this for a while?
she wasn't, she had 2 new outfits in works and just a few weeks ago she was asking everyone to watch the videos and stream vods from the EONIA channel because they were trying to make the channel grow

>>115495388
She is a woman after all

There were boobs here
now they're gone

I’m praying that she phases in and we get another big titty elf girl that sings and does asmr

>>115495359
Nijisanji is literally impossible. No one in EN would be willing to go there

>>115495440
Sounds like she got a call or notice from a big place

>>115495416
When you had the girl of your dreams, but she moves on to something bigger and becomes unreachable

>>115495416
just accept deez nuts in yo face beggar

>>115495416
look man, im one bad day away from killing myself right now, can you not do this today?
Please?

>>115495463
think male vtubers would still try to join

>>115495471
Anon you have to live to see Nene again. She wants you to be happy. Do it for her and yourself.

>>115495219
I hadn't been watching for a couple of weeks, then suddenly see Nene broadcasting a graduation stream. My heart sank, bros.

>>115495471
just don't interact with the beggar and just tell him to kill himself he clearly doesn't care about nene at all only what team jersey she is gonna wear

>>115495495
thanks, im going to try to sleep, you tomos have a good day

>>115495359
This is a schizo theory, but maybe her voice demo reel was when she started seriously auditioning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ZieVVjlMo

The timing lines up nicely with her looking for a much bigger opportunity. If true, it means she's been looking for at least 10+ months, which means she's been very picky about what she picked.

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Well this is it lads, see you all cloudtomos in a couple months when we get a new gen. It won't be the same but I'm not pessimistic either. Some things might be worse but others will be better, time will tell.

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I wasn't really emotional mid graduation but this kind of sucks huh

>>115495574
yes some new gen in a company surely who knows what or where only she does and those who hired her

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Why can't Holofags understand why people are still sad even if she's joining Holo? Do you not understand the appeal of a girl with a smaller fanbase who's always interacting with her fans?
It's always "muh numbers" with you people

>>115495546
If she got picked up for serious irl work then that's great for her. I assume that's why she would publish a public voice demo reel, so any potential employers can listen to it

>>115495648
obviously fromsoftware basing on that last song

>>115495658
i mean, hirotonfa presumably did

>>115495546
i assume it was around when she stopped doing the yandere asmrs, saying "ill never leave you!"
and then graduating 1 month later was presumably too much for her

Now for the real question. Where's the archive of membership art and stuff? I'm a moron who lost tons of stuff because I didn't back up my data. I also never finished the Umineko streams, and they're all taken down.

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>>115495649
the thing that sucks is that this exact same thing happened with fuwamoco and they ended up changing completely
I can't help but be a bit anxious

>>115495740
all the streams (that where available 3 months back) besides the membership ones cam be found here: https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22Nene+Amano+Ch.+%E5%A4%A9%E9%87%8E%E5%AF%A7%E3%80%85%22&sort=-publicdate

>>115495649
This is my real fear. I liked that I could chat with her on her usual streams, and a large part of what I loved was the typical hour pre-stream chat. If she did get into Holo, it's going to be effectively impossible to chat with her if she blows up.

>>115495740
>>115495776
they're unsorted but you can sort this:
https://filmot.com/captionLanguageSearch?channelID=UCu1INzefw3R7M9-3QEHYmMQ&sortField=uploaddate&sortOrder=asc

by upload date and ctrl f the titles.

>>115495824
Thats what the patreon streams are for anon, assuming they will still exist

>>115495749
The first year with FWMC was really good. I think at least until she gets 3D and can spam concerts IRL which will come with some FOMO by necessity, things will be amazing for us. And the concerts are her dream come true. Remember, we have to get her into a big sold out dome. We promised. Her face on the goddamn Vegas Sphere.

>>115495847
I don't think Holo does Patreon. The ending of Patreon was somewhat unceremonious.

>>115495731
The final date, possibly. But "looking" doesn't mean "found a specific opportunity". She could have been doing auditions for a while without finding anything.

>>115495848
the one thing that makes me hopeful is that fuwamoco had to get ride of their otaku character for EN streams since that archetype doesn't sell well in the west but Nene's should be fine I think since it does well over here.

>>115495900
hopefully nothing besides the model and name changes :_NenePray:

Nene was a workhorse but even the best has limits. There were indie streams where she admitted she was chaffing under having to do it all by herself and the people you can turn to out there being untrustworthy. Indie scams happen every week.
That is one reason she did this. She needed help and she is getting it. And I am happy.

>>115495945
I imagine she'll fight for the bean mouth at least

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Why does it have to hurt so much, why nene why!

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I wanted it to be Phase because that would mean she still loves Nene Amano so much that she would rather redebut than sell the IP
But if it's Hololive it feels like she's just throwing Nene Amano in the garbage to rot, as if Nene Amano never meant anything to her

>>115495957
This. If you paid attention, you could tell that she was looking for something else. Obviously still in the vtuber space, but there were still signs.

The worst possible case for me is if she gets her dream and ends up spending the majority of her time preparing for concerts I'm not going to attend instead of streaming, or she gets too big to chat with anymore. But even then, I can't get too parasocial about it. We had a good run, and I'm not going to say some annon's preference should force Nene to stay in a place that was stressing her out.

>>115496084
i mean, Nene was a mega hustler back when she first debut'd, theres a reason why the was the star of the company

>>115496103
any examples? closest thing i can think of was when she said she didn't want us to destroy the world if she graduated

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This is the man you should be thanking by the way

>>115495649
Because the only holofags on this board anymore are #s fags that are rangebanned from tower where all of the non thirdworld holobronies went. You're arguing with Indians, Indonesians, and worst of all Pinoy's who didn't get the hint to shut the fuck up about #'s shit and that it isn't the most important thing in the world.

As a holo bronie though I do get it, I have had the opposite, I was a super big Fauna fan and nimi doesn't hit the same (I don't even give a shit about little lore drop, the content just feels different). Same can be said for Chloe, Aqua, and Ao.

>>115496249
Who?

>>115496252
i can’t get into reincarnations. i love the characters they were before so a new one just isn’t the same. maybe it’ll be different with nene.

>>115496084
Look at it this way: She still owns her IP, and she can go back to it if Holo doesn't work out. We've already seen a similar story with Mint -> Pomu -> Mint.

Nene kept her IP, and she can always go back to it. If she does go to Holo, she can have huge collabs, concerts, and events that she couldn't as an indie. Worst case, she finds out she doesn't like the restrictions and quits just like most of HoloEN Gen 1.

I'm just hoping her new design keeps the bean. I love that stupid bean so much. Nene's new models are good, but I'll always love the derpyness of her 1.0 model.

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>>115496277
The man who somehow found Nene when she wasn't even a vtuber and convinced her to join his new corpo

>>115495649
Not so much numbers but opportunities and resources for a music path.

>>115496350
didn't nene see an add and send an application that got approved in 3 days?

>>115496350
it’s sad that kawaii didn’t work out

>>115496395
Thanks V-Dere

Did any of you manage to save the streams she did of Higurashi and Umineko?

>>115496388
No, Koshita scouted all 5 girls for Gen 1, there were no ads or anything, he just sent e-mails to 5 random internet girls asking them if they wanted to join this new vtuber corpo that had no staff yet other than him

>>115496419
Look here
>>115495776
>>115495847

we all saw that, too late to delete it

>>115495749
>this exact same thing happened with fuwamoco
the ones begging on their knees to see them in hololive were their fans themselves dough

>>115496194
I don't remember that one. I've been missing most of her streams due to a major move involving a time zone change.

Mostly, I was thinking of her demo reel and constant hustling. She's never been content to just coast along, and five years is an awfully long time to stay in a single place, especially when you don't have any external help but you have big dreams of concerts.

I'm thinking back to the shutdown of Kawaii, and Nene was massively broken up about it, even if she got one of the best IP deals in vtubing. (See Raki Kazuki's 10k fundraiser) On some level, I think Nene desperately wants to live the idol dream, and losing her corporate sponsor meant that dream had to die.

Which is why I strongly suspect Hololive. I can't imagine Nene in the same company as Pippa. Although I don't think Nene is internet pilled like some other vtubers, so maybe she doesn't know the deep lore of some of the other companies. Looking at how long Nene waited before accepting another job, I think she's decently business savvy and isn't going to end up in a company like Niji. Hopefully.

>>115496410
Damn, this is some deep lore. I still remember Nene crying on steam after that whole event. Based on inferences I remember, I can only imagine that there was some really bad botched contract negotiations involved. My assumption is that how that whole thing went down gave some ominous warnings about the eventual fate of Kawaii.

>>115495546
>November 2025
ermm... https://x.com/hololive_En/status/1988411423941423519

>>115496513
>i think it was in the D1AL-ogue stream, or the SWTOR one

something about immortal cyborgs and a dystopia the she wouldn't want to live in, its been a while

>>115496600
My impression was their mutiny basically knee capped Kawaii as an org...... whatever became of them?

I do remember hearing one of the girls was the ring leader and felt they'd be in the older girl's shadows

>>115496698
None of them blew up as big as they had hoped.
Airi Viridis/Peony Aeria is actually doing better than Ella Stellaria/Aletta Sky.
Ella decided to fullsend male collabs until Vdere kicked her out.
I don't follow the others.

>>115496698
vdere is still around. I think one of them had a donothon for a 3d concert before eonia had theirs up, hit the goal, and still hasn't even done it lmao

>>115496621
Well shit, I'm the world's best schizo. Damn I love remembering obscure things. Her demo reel was posted FIVE DAYS after Holo posted their announcement.

Like, there's no way that's a coincidence, right? Five days is plenty of time to throw together a demo reel for an audition. I don't know how Holo works internally, but I'm assuming they start auditions very early. Does anyone else have the timeline for previous generations?

I just looked, and its been over 2 years since Holo debuted a new EN generation, so the timelines might be weird. There were zero debuts in 2025 when they lost a ton of vtubers because of big corporate changes. Holo is long overdue for a new generation, but the usual timeline might have been delayed due to the disaster of 2025.

>>115496600
Mozzu wrote a lot in her reply to Nene's graduation announcement, she probably feels guilty

>>115496856
you're a hero that's what, thanks for giving me hope

>>115496856
an extra fact, Justice was released around 10-12 months after the last audition reminder was posted

>>115496823
>Aletta Sky
Didn't she try to groom Miyune? I remember Miyune changing ups because a chuuba who she looked up to was harassing her

>>115496823
IMO that's at least in part due to instead of coming off as downtrodden sorts, they came off as greedy bitches that fucked over the company and those in it.

But the fact someone got kicked out due to male collabing and not make much news.....

>>115496956
>But the fact someone got kicked out due to male collabing and not make much news.....
people barely know who vdere are. and the person that got kicked out wasn’t surprising either after the shit that happened with aletta.

I was full boar supportive of the ideal of kawaii, of the girls, but there is a reason Nene was so soured on the corporation as an entity to the point she could never say the name again and snubbed their theme song tonight.
They hurt and traumatized her in some very specific ways that threatened to crush her dream well before the shut down. For that, fuck them. May they rot in hell.
Fuck them one more time for pulling the plug when they did even if they did it in the nicest possible way.
Kawaii and Culture Entertainment, the companies, I would not call black from my limited outsider POV, but they still hurt Nene and that is unforgiveable.
But we have no enemies here. Old, old ass water under crumbled bridges. I shouldn't be dredging it.
I guess the point of my rant is that life is hard even in good company and favorable winds and despite that Nene Amano won.

>>115496956
>they came off as greedy bitches that fucked over the company and those in it.
Public perception seemed against kawaii from what I remember. People tend to side with the girls even if it's actually their fault over a corpo.

>>115497003
>TRVKE

facts brother, preech yo shit

>>115497035
>Public perception seemed against kawaii from what I remember.
they were. /vt/ especially had their fun calling kawaii a black company.

>>115496956
It wasn't just that she was collabing with males, but that she was (apparently) pressuring the other girls to join in, arguing that it would help them grow. This is all second-hand info from /corpo/ as it was happening, though, so make of that what you will

>>115496856
heavily circumstantial and conjecture

>>115497086
>from /corpo/
It was better back then but I want to make it clear to any lurker that that thread was always a hub for Nene antis and now one deeply insane motherfucker is the sole resident of the asylum.

at last it is Amanover

>>115497211
future is bright we will see her again just don't let yourself get swept up in console war retardation cloudtomo

>>115496698
My assumption is a bit of both. Kawaii didn't have enough money to fight in negotiations, and losing months of work invested into an entire generation didn't help their financial struggles. I don't remember any other vtuber org getting an entire generation poached, ever. I'm assuming Kawaii's contracts weren't very competitive, primarily because they didn't have a lot of money to spend.

As for the generation, I'm not sure. I half kept up with Mozu when she was in Kawaii because she did some ASMR, but Mozu isn't very smart. She relied on gimmicks to get noticed which was fine the first time she debuted, but you can only watch so many crayon eating streams before you go insane.

I'm not really joking. Corporate needs you to find the difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBerSa0hTss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHqerJ4INpA

I eventually stopped watching her when I realized she had the personality of a piece of cardboard and about as much intelligence. Plus, seeing her new design be a carbon copy of her old one left a bad taste in my mouth. Like, was the pay really that much better at your new company? Was it worth screwing over professional relationships? It seemed like a really dumb move, even before I found out they got poached.

I assume she got pressured into following the other girls based on rumors I heard about how cliquey they were. She never came across as malicious, just really dumb.


>>115496885
It's a team effort. I only knew about the demo reel, not the Holo audition. I just remember how weird it was for Nene to put together a professional demo reel. She'd never done it before, and the jokes from that demo reel have lived rent free in my head for the last year.

Or maybe we're just completely insane and Nene is going into politics.


>>115497003
True, but see above. Niji is a proper black company that actively exploits workers for pure profit. Kawaii seems more incompetently run than maliciously run. I don't blame Nene for snubbing their song because they did hurt her a lot, but them going bankrupt was a pretty brutal wakeup to how bad their financials really were. Nene's failed concert and idol dreams mostly came down to a lack of money, I think. It turns out a company run by one guy and a dream only works if you're a fish.

Things could have been much worse. Raki had to pay 10k for the "privilege" of owning her own IP, and many other companies have refused to even sell their IP, leaving talents stranded. Kawaii at least had the moral decency to give very valuable IP to their talents for literally free. I've seen completely brutal nasty shit done by companies that are going bankrupt. At a minimum, I know that Niji is 100x worse than Kawaii.

>>115497251
I should clarify. I mean "dumb", not "innocent". Mozu definitely played a part in Kawaii going bankrupt. From some of the livestreams at the time, I got the feeling that there was some dissent from the generation, and one girl refusing to leave might have changed things.

But I'm not vengeful towards her. I think she lost a big opportunity and constantly hurts herself by surrounding herself with people who like taking advantage of her. She's definitely not living in the lap of luxury eating soap and having 40k subs.

Maybe there's some genuine friendship in that clique, but man I can't stand having people stirring up that much drama in my life. Please pick better friends and stop being so stupid.

>>115497251
They weren't poached by a new company. They unionized and formed their own.

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>>115497251
They did not go bankrupt. They were profitable. I choose my words very specifically here which is to say that there was not not money troubles. The overall corporate structure was up for some kind of shuffle at the same time the economy in Japan was getting bad and the easiest route was to slip off this weird overseas outreach media project with high capital requirements even if it is paying them back.

>>115497251
My impression was that Kawaii was counting on that Gen to keep things running

That is the truth, gimmicks can only take one so far without a solid streaming core.

Flawed but not evil.... and Sakana planned in many ways for Phase

Hanamizuki, girls I like you as people, but you fucking sucked as a generation for the company. Never been a more NGMI I have seen. Ephemira was a hail mary that turned out much better.

>>115497534
hanamizuki was so boring. not sure what they were trying to do with that theme.

>>115497202
I agree. I'm self-aware enough to label my theories as schizo posting. This doesn't confirm anything. But circumstantial evidence does often point to the correct answer. (Until it doesn't. See the Boston Bomber.)

We'll figure out who was right in a few months. Nene was NOT subtle about saying she'd be back.

>>115497344
This is an even dumber move than I thought. Although it explains how scuffed and awful their debuts were.

>>115497368
I'm not intimately familiar with the exact financial details, but things aren't always so simple. Unless you're independently wealthy, most companies use debt to get started, and you owe that money to an investor who often has a different idea of how that money should be used. A "profitable" company can still go defunct if they have enough debt that they can't afford to pay back an investor who demands to get their investment back immediately. In that case the correct word is probably "dissolved" instead of "bankrupt", but the net effect is still the same. The company can't pay a bill, so it's broken up and sold for parts, often against the wishes of lots of people high up in the company.

The economic timeline and foreign investment shuffle still points towards money problems as a primary culprit, not active maliciousness like Niji. I remember Youtube revenue was dropping around that time as well, which aligns with several other vtubing agencies closing and Hololive doing major corporate changes. Economic factors were definitely important in Kawaii's closure. When markets get unstable, investors get jittery, especially when low-risk government bonds offer a higher return on investment. To really know what killed Kawaii, we'd need to look at their financial books and see what kinds of contracts they signed with their investors.

The sheer failure of the entire Hanamizuki generation points more towards mismanagement than active harm, even if both types of companies suck for the talents. I still say that Niji is a dramatically worse company to work for, even if I wouldn't want to work at either one. I'd take a job at Kawaii if I was desperate, but I'd never take a job at Niji. I can handle working at a mismanaged company (most are), but I can't handle a company that actively exploits its workers. Half the reason Niji is still alive is they're willing to find vulnerable talents and exploit them, which obviously didn't happen with Kawaii.

>>115497779
>This is an even dumber move than I thought. Although it explains how scuffed and awful their debuts were.
I remembered some people were saying they being poached by idolEN back then, but they backed off with how bad the fallout between kawaii and gen 3 was.

>>115497557
I like the theme, actually kawaii had really good models, but they had some god awful scouting. I gave everyone a chance but ended up fleeing at full speed and pressing the block button more often than not.

>>115497779
To be honest all things considered it's kind of a miracle that kawaii managed to get a few gold nuggets (for me it's Isla and Kohaku, even if Kohaku is on a break at the moment) and in general more good vtubers over bad vtubers (aka Oceane Otoishi but I digress). Unironically if Kawaii had existed in 2019/early 2020 instead of 2021 their financials wouldn't have looked as dire considering for all intents and purposes they were running at a loss from 2021 to 2024.

>>115497779
true take care till we meet again in her new life

>>115498080
>even if Kohaku is on a break at the moment
Ao Wuwu

>>115497907
People thought idol poached them because the CEO made a tweet inviting vtubers dissatisfied with their contracts to contact him like a week before the walkout happened. Seriously unlucky timing on his part

>>115498125
>Ao Wuwu
she has the worse luck when it comes to corpos

>>115497936
Agreed. I can't imagine how Mozu got hired.

Kawaii: What's your plan for content?
Mozu: I'm going to eat soap and rate it on a tier list!
Kawaii: That's exactly the talent we're looking for. You're hired!

To be fair to Mozu, Nene is often not very bright, so Kawaii might have a type.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbHMeCP3Gwk&t=167s

But still, Nene was their top talent and I can't imagine two talents being farther apart, even if on the surface both of them had "mommy ASMR" in their bio. Whoever was responsible for talent acquisition was not good at their job. It almost feels like they followed a checklist to copy Nene's bio without understanding what made Nene successful.

>>115498129
I forget the timeline, but mid/late 2023 was when Niji started publicly imploding, right? The CEO could have been intending to poach Niji members, not Kawaii members. It could be a genuine mixup of correlation and causation. Speculation, but still.

---

I suppose all I'm really trying to say is that there's a difference between a true black company (Niji) and a mismanaged or incompetent company (Kawaii). Both can fail, hurt workers, or make huge public screwups, but there is a difference. I recommend working at neither, but I have a much higher tolerance for bad management after working in corporate American for far too long. Most companies are mismanaged on some level, so you have to learn to deal with it without complaining if you like getting your paycheck.

One major difference is that I heard Niji required their talents to front the money for things like concerts or merch drops, which meant talents were in literal debt to the company that held their paycheck as ransom. The worst I heard about Kawaii was Nene being depressed because the were cutting back on events for financial reasons. That hurts, but far less than being a literal wage slave for a job you can't quit.

>>115498493
>but mid/late 2023 was when Niji started publicly imploding, right?
think that was around the time people were making fun of niji for their 2% cut on merch

>>115498493
>Whoever was responsible for talent acquisition was not good at their job
>EONIA
>Novamore
>Ephemira
I won't have this slander. Those are some damn good hires.

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>>115494614
oh you think that's funny?

>>115500000
Idk what to think about this get

>>115500000
Im so fucking scared right now

>>115489362
Could be V4 Mirai. Nene always seemed comfortable with Kawaii even if they couldn't give her as much.

>>115500902
So long as its not some trice cursed black company and she still streams like she did i'll be happy

Holofags ruin everything. If she goes holo I'll just find another oshi.

>>115500902
Why couldn't she be happy with us? We gave her everything we had :(

>>115497251
I wasn't super into gen 3 at the time but what I got from osmosis in the old /pkg/, though it was actively going to shit at the time, was that it seriously hobbled the company's image and cost them a lot.
Keep in mind that the gen 3 walkout happened only a couple months after Oceane got terminated over running an alleged doxxing server, and all of this was only about six months after Neena had a massive (relatively) public breakup with the company and tried to burn their reputation. And Aruru just fucking off to the aether.
Kawaii had problems that would hit them every couple of months pretty much since their inception, and my nigga would rail against bad management / inattention from Benji, Benji 2, Cowlin, etc.
Gen 3's models were all expensive and very well done, especially when you compare it to the next gen Hanamizuki who got some cheapo flat faces with shitty rigging. I never watched gen 5 so I have no idea how good they were.

She will be forced to have a corpo mandated ship and play holodori 2x minimum weekly when she debuts in hololive, also ASMR wont be a thing, shes pure idol now, if you didn't like her for her non ASMR gaming content you might as well find a new oshi

>>115500953
You can have one or the other. Once you go corpo they force you to change.

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Guess its all gone...

Anyone manage to back up the members catalog?

>>115489362
>I'm not a...
Hello phasefag, Jelly's yab has made your corpo toxic to everyone but only the most desperate vtubers.

>>115502762
In terms of music/etc there's only so much an indie can do.

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i didnt know she was revue-pilled like that
wtf

>>115506579
>>115502762
If raising 40k for a barely 1h long concert wasn't enough then there wasn't anything different we could have done.
If it failed to meet the funding goal i'd understand, but no, we met the goal she got her concert and outfit, and she still fucking graduated anyway. Never spending that much money on a Vtuber again

>>115488608
>holo
She is PHASING IN

>>115507125
How much did you contribute?

>>115495649
That is kind of the weird issue with streaming i have. The entire point is the interaction between chat and the streamer but if the chat is too small the streamer makes no money, if the chat gets big enough to make money then there is almost always too many people to make the chat readable between the steamer or even the people in chat.

>>115507125
One day you will realize that nene was nothing more than a grifting whore who 100% has a boyfriend

>>115507144
This but unironically.

>>115509071
Man imagine the fall out that happens.

>>115509027
1600ish dollars, been a while

>>115509071
Nene is too much of a loser to have a boyfriend, closest thing she has to a romantic partner is beatrice from umineko

>>115488032
What if she throws everyone through a loop and got a sponsorship for sports betting/gambling and makes crazy money off 10-20 viewers

be sure to save the posts here and mock the small corpo beggars when she drops into holo

>>115509225
You got your concert. Cloudtomos needed to raise 6 figures in funds annually if they wanted her to stay.

Also ya'll are delusional thinking she doesn't have a bf or husband hidden away. At least she hasn't let it leak on stream (yet).

>>115507125
Wasn't that just on youtube? Odds are she wants to do actual venues and not have to do a fundraiser for a 3d youtube live

>>115509324
>31 year old hag, with anime merch, shitton of dolls and 2 cats has a husband

Sure Nene i believe you, does he happen to be from canada and work at another company too?

>>115509326
well there was that oshi on deck concert a while back, and the other events like the nightclub collab, so its not like she couldnt do venues

>>115509326
Nimi was able to do it with her pals.

>>115488608
What is this bodytype called?

>>115509443
tenshi

Do we want or have enough activity for a dedicated waiting room in anticipation of her reincarnation?

>>115509535
i want one at least, beats having to dredge through xitter for info

>>115488446
Retard, if anything Mori hinted at more EN hires soon

>>115509561
What would it be called?
/chumps/?

>>115509694
/chu/
short for chumps