https://x.com/flyanew/status/2114733195203883082>Far-right VTuber community is experiencing an infighting after a right-leaning VTuber "Ember Paradox" announced on a Twitch stream that they were assigned male at birth.>Ember Paradox is a well-known VTuber with a female avatar who streams on both Kick and Twitch, and is perhaps most famous for her collaborations with fellow “anti-woke” Kick streamers Tectone, Kirsche, and Strawb.>On October 26, a user on X posted a clip of Ember Paradox’s voice changer temporarily glitching during a livestream. This spurred the VTuber’s right-leaning former allies into an investigative hate campaign, resulting in VTuber Strawb posting this on X in reply to one of Ember Paradox’s posts: “you are a biological man though, right?”https://x.com/darlingstrawbie/status/2114813654654939165>Ember Paradox chose to discuss “the revelation” publicly in a stream on October 27.>When questioned as to whether she “consider[s] themselves to be trans or a man” during the stream, Ember Paradox offered a plaintive answer.>“I don’t know,” Ember Paradox replied. “I don’t have an answer for that. When I’m streaming, this is me. Any time I stream, this is me; Ember, the redhead, sometimes anime catgirl. Off stream? Outside of Discord? I’m just…normal. I’m not going to therapy, I’m not going through medications, I’m not spending my days dressing up or anything like that…on stream, this is me. That’s the best explanation that I can give you.”https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberDrama/comments/1xhq8kc/chud_vtuber_gets_outed_for_using_a_voice_changer/>Many of her subscribers accused Ember Paradox of “[lying] about being a woman” in her Discord server following the stream, and her MAGA-supporting VTuber and Twitch collaborators accused her of “lying about his gender to get close to women and speak to them in ways they would not be speaking to a man.”
>>115916174was this the miku vtard or someone else?
>>115916212someone else
>>115916174Why isn't AnimeTrends reporting this?
>>115916174>theyYWNBAW
>>115916237This isn't holo or idol culture so they can't shit on it sorry
this has to be a parody
>>115916174KEEEEKNo idea who this is, but I’ll never understand chuds that are closeted troons and yet still act like they’re part of the in group. It’s like being a Jewish Nazi or some Uncle Ruckus type shit. It’s sad, pathetic, but funny af when they get BTFO.
>>115916174I watched like a minute or two of their content a while ago, and you'd have to be actually braindead to have not known it was a voice changer.
>>115916582In Germany you need to be Jewish and LGBT to be right wing or they throw you in prison for ten years for wrongthink.
AI Right-wing grifter tranny vtuber: 45k subsGoes to show, there’s someone for everyone
>>115916693God I wish
>They were assigned male at birthA long way to say that they are male
>>115916915heywe respect chud pronouns on this board
>>115916174Chuds are and do everything they hate. You love to see it. They hate trannies but love to beat themselves off to males with voice changers. Hate woke and cancelling but ass bleed when someone makes a comment about their an heroes. LARP as fit giga chads but are all land whales along with their queen Kirsche. This is why everyone says Chuds are low IQ mongoloids who eat crayons for lunch and failed P.E. in High School.
who
I'm not sure why this is a problem though.
>experiencing an infighting
>>115916582it’s not a troon tho. it’s a guy that knows nobody will watch a male vtuber, nobody will watch the one millionth guy with right-wing views on twitch/kick and who knows men will flock to female streamers with right-wing views hence why the political grift is currently popular with the likes of smugalan, powdur, kirsche etc
who?
>>115916582lots of weird gay shit in far right spaces, like a lot.
>>115916174are people so deaf they can't immediately tell a voice changer?
>>115919215>I'm not a troon I just like to dress up as a girl and use a girly voice changer
>>115920215It reads more as just as a lazy attempt to milk right wing gooners for cash than any actual desire to be a woman
>>115916582kek To be fair he was more of a sexpest troon using the guise of a woman to get close to women and talk lewd to them without getting run out of the community than an Uncle Ruckus type.He literally says every troon that gets caught being a pervert is not " a really trans person" and the whole trans community derides them. When their whole community is in fact sexpest groomers.He is a troon who fetishizes forced feminization and called people transphobic for not wanting trannies in women's only spaces.
>>115920488>a "real" transperson*>>115920326He seemed pretty tied with the trans community
>>115916174Thus why I only watch Hololive.
>>115916174Indie experience
>>115919215Buddy, given that the answer they themselves gave when asked if they were trans was "I don't know", it sure seems like they are at least considering it.
>>115916582It's because rightoids1. Organize around tribal affiliation (i.e. prove you are on my political "team" and we can be friends)2. Are retardsThis means they're ripe for the grift (that is, people who pretend to be rightoid in order to fit in, whether to scam them or for some other reason). Trannies and other weirdo minorities are likely lonely for various reasons, so an easy way to get a community is pretending to be a chud, since they are so easy to fool>inb4 BUT THE LEFTOIDSYes I know very well some of these same dynamics exist among leftoids but the difference is that leftoids also tend to just be smarter, so there's a lower rate of them being taken by the grift. Among rightoids I genuinely think there might be more grifters than grifted
>>115920946>what is damage control in live conversation after you've been outed?
>>115919215He refused to deny being a troon despite having a chud audience. He's 100% a troon. Chuds and the closet name a better duo
>>115921036You think that answering "I don't know" when asked by your far-right audience if you are a tranny is "damage control"...? It's obviously not. Regardless of whether or not they're a full "gonna get an operation" tranny, they clearly have some weird feelings about their gender.
>>115916174funny
>>115916174>infighting>lying troon thought he was part of the groupLOOOOOL
>>115921115Hes definitely a troon. His defense of the "real" trans community shows it
>>115920155Leaflit is 100% in the right for calling Celestium dumb, and by extension, anyone else affected by this who claims to 'feel lied to or tricked'. If youre mad you got tricked, you got tricked becauae youre dumb.
kirsche has become a walking woman moment and it is becoming increasingly annoying to her her shrilly screech 'I HATE LIARS' when Leaflit and Jujus take way outreaons Kirsches continued crashing out
>>115923135Leaflit is 100% in the wrong, and they're running damage control for the person they 're invested in.. To claim a troon pretending to be a woman for years to enter a private friend group and sexpest women who mistakenly trusted him did nothing wrong except not share personal information is disingenuous. Making sexual jokes with married women who didn't catch on because they believed him to be a female is disgusting. He knows he would have never gotten away with all of it if they knew he was a man
>>115923238its the internet. anonymity is the default. you arent obligated to disclose anything personal about yourself at all. voice changer is in the same category of kayfabe/opsec as having a vtubing model and a persona/pseudonym. Leaflit is right, and you look all the stupider for getting mad about it
>>115923238if Kirsche had any substantive response to Leaflit's besides outrage and nigger looping, maybe Id be inclined to consider her opinion more, but so far all she has shown how insufferably stubborn she is when she thinks she is right. Ember is not Ana Valens, no matter how much Kirsche wants him to be to vindicate her extended foid moment
>>115916550Ember lied about being a biofem to sneak into spaces where real women were talking about real women things.
>>115923446You are being as disingenuous as Leaflit with "muh internet" as if either of you zoomies has been here long.In literally no era of the internet would a dude pretending to be women be given a pass when people learned they were tricked. Especially not in a friend group.
>>115923238>To claim a troon pretending to be a woman for years to enter a private friend group and sexpest women who mistakenly trusted him did nothing wrong except not share personal information is disingenuous.Thats not what leaflit said or anyone has said you can admit that ember was a creep and did someone wrong while still thinking the people that got tricked are stupid, these aren't opposites. >Making sexual jokes with married women who didn't catch on because they believed him to be a female is disgusting. He knows he would have never gotten away with all of it if they knew he was a manThese "jokes" were done in front of their husbands and even if ember turned out to be a woman it would still be just as wrong to make them because it outs you as a degenerate and a fake "Christian" like these girls calmed to be.I get you hate trannies but don't let that cause you to give the women any slack for being grifters either
>>115922966Observe here the chud who isn't yet aware how fake and gay everything he believes in is.
>>115923620>Thats not what leaflit saidIt's exactly what she said. Go read her AI composed tweet> even if ember turned out to be a woman it would still be just as wrong to make them because it outs you as a degenerate and a fake "Christian" like these girls calmed to be.Oh you're the troon defender from /smug/ pretending to know anything about christianity again. Ember initiated the sexual innuendo, some of which flew over the heads of people, which would have been treated harshly if they knew he was a man instead of laughed off. They can laugh off another woman making degen jokes and it doesn't make them any less Christian retard. You sound like one of those leftoids who think christianity means pacifism and nor fun allowed, or believes christians think pokemon is the work of Satan because of a fanatical 1%
>>115923554I have been here long enough to know that Id rather have a million Embers that play by the rules than any more of you retards that want full govt names and real face pfps, and self doxx in bio
>>115923801>you retards that want full govt names and real face pfps, and self doxx in bioYou can only argue against things no one said because you know you have nothing else.> Id rather have a million Embers that play by the rulesOnce again>In literally no era of the internet would a dude pretending to be women be given a pass when people learned they were tricked. Especially not in a friend group.They are not posting as anons in an imageboard
>>115923779>Oh you're the troon defender from /smug/ pretending to know anything about christianity again.no this is the first time i've mentioned it and the fact you constnly clamin any body critising the foids is a "troon" defender says a lot do you have BPD? you seem to only see things in black and white. >Ember initiated the sexual innuendo, not always>They can laugh off another woman making degen jokes and it doesn't make them any less Christian retard.It depends on the context, at a comedy club sure, making them yourself with a person who uses a voice changer and thus might be a man while in front of their husbands? Are you fucking retarded?
>>115916550you shouldn't have shot harambe.
Of course women turn out to be soft when shit comes down to the wire. This is how troons were able to incur on feminism so completely to begin with.
>>115923932>you seem to only see things in black and white.Projecting Mr.>outs you as a degenerate and a fake "Christian" like these girls calmed to be.You're not as clever as you believe yourself to be.>not alwaysCare to share what explicit remarks they initiated? Surely you have reciepts>making them yourself with a person who uses a voice changer and thus might be a man while in front of their husbands?Reciepts of these terrible things they said? Also they believed him to be a woman, quit victim blaming just because they weren't paranoid and accepted his lie of not liking his voice.
>>115916174>Twitch collaborators accused her of “lying about his gender to get close to women and speak to them in ways they would not be speaking to a man.”100% truth
>>115924013Are troons the ultimate trojan horse against feminism? I guess men always win in the end. Or at least, women always lose.
>>115924048La+ was the hero we needed against the tranny menace
>>115924071No they're just 4chan's current obsession and in 10 years everyone's going to look back at the current state of the board and find it weird how much of the conversation was about them
>>115924416>4chan'scurrent obsessionOh it's an actual troon prtending they haven't brought down every hobby community in the last decade
>>115916174You love to see it.
>>115916174Many such cases!
My first gut instinct reading the OP is that the troons/feds cooked up this psyop for /pol/ drama and divisionMy gut says I am 100% right and correct in thisFake and gay
>>115925560>Ze says as Bioware's fresh corpse lies behind zir
>>115916174>are you a troon or a larper?>idk Imagine being mindraped so much by pretending to be a girl on the internet that you lose your entire sense of identity.
>>115916174>>“I don’t know,” Ember Paradox replied. “I don’t have an answer for that. When I’m streaming, this is me. Any time I stream, this is me; Ember, the redhead, sometimes anime catgirl. Off stream? Outside of Discord? I’m just…normal. I’m not going to therapy, I’m not going through medications, I’m not spending my days dressing up or anything like that…on stream, this is me. That’s the best explanation that I can give you.”unironically what is wrong with having seperate identities like this? it's so close minded to demand that people must adhere to one identity all the time like why can't someone both be a right-wing chudette and a dude?
>>115923135leaflit is a tranny too
>>115926067>disassociation is a corner stone for psychopathy/troons
I don't know why he thought a voice changer was necessary when Leaflit doesn't even bother using one himself and the chuds don't care.
>>115926051you act like those two things aren't related. you can't be a tranny demon and not having it infect your work.
>>115926051>t. queerosexual gendermancer
>>115926067>right-wing>literally calls people transphobic for not wanting troons in women's spacesPick one retard
>>115926301gonna be real with you bro I don't fucking know who this is
It's over chuds, /ourguy/ doesn't care as long as they have the right opinions for our culture war
>>115926400>Chibi reviews misrepresenting the situation as usualWater is wet
>>115926400Imagine the character they were playing as comes out as a fat white man that supports Trump halfway into the play through KEK
>>115926400>closeted tranny defending open tranny lmao the absolute fucking state of chuds
why is being a troon bad again?
>>115925742Not sure how a chudtuber civil war helps them with the midterm elections in 3 days. Attempt to demoralize by saying both sides support troons?
>>115926301>doesn't know "women's spaces" is feminist/leftist language.
>>115926543Because this board is heavily populated by people who are both social misfits and city boys, and they formed the politics around being gadflies to their normie lib social betters, so ranting and raving about troons is designed to trigger them. Unfortunately they don't recognize that as time passes and they age the social context in which they decided to shape their personality becomes forgotten, so soon they'll just be the equivalent of a boomer with a weird obsession. The fact that their edgy sense of humor has basically been adapted by the current presidential administration is greatly accelerating this. Can't LARP as an edgy counterculture boy when the literal whitehouse is repeating your jokes.
>>115927442>feminists/leftists are anti-troonwtf I'm riding with Biden now!
>>115926543Because troons are mentally ill men who want to force others to play along with their delusion and are a big part of the psychosis gripping the west. It is an insane ideaology which requires people to deny factual science and play along with the sexual fetish of a narcissistic clown..Those who do not comply are vilified, deplatformed, banned, or worse face legal action.They are a plague on humanity.
faggots just mad they're dicks got confused. also the only "womens space" thats even real, is the kitchen. signed.a noracat and RIAchan watcher
>>115928492Yeah, I remember when you posers tried to make Pikamee into an anti-trans mascot despite obviously never having watched her, it was pathetic then and it's pathetic now
>>115928674I like how you couldn't address a single thing said and instead chose to make up an argument over the picture.When she was merely an example of a person attacked over the insanity.
>>115928492>factual scienceoxymoron.
>>115929031>actual moron
>>115916174I can certainly see the vision behind exploiting the vtuber gimmick to farm both gender affirmation and transphobes' money, if that really was the case. Their career seems to be somewhat saved, but the dream is over.
unless any you can do something like what ember did to break peoples minds and get away with it for so long then you all boring! this is what i have been waiting for! dont take another unique person away from us!
WHO????
>>115926400Rev is one of the most popular crossdressing right wing vtubers. There's also that Hero Hei guy but he's just a gay femboy
>>115926400I play a fat old ugly balding man when given the option in every single video game i play
Why pretend to be an openly right wing female instead of just play a babuniku? To an extent I can understand playing a female if he's trolling, if he's a closet gay, or if he's doing it for money, but I don't understand openly pretending to be a politically motivated female.
>>115929860it cause you dont understand the mechanism of the master plan! it was to make sheep like you look like a bewildered clown! all of you every single one!
Missed the part where he's writing self-insert snuff porn about 14 year old boys being forced to dress as girls while they're gang raped by the football team, then forcibly castrated and put on puberty blockers so they can live happily ever after as a real girl. The chudtubers that can't see a problem with being associated with that shit are exposing themselves as unironic grifters.
>>115921036Damage control would be>I was just LARPing as trans to own the troons!This is a trans woman having an identity crisis
>>115929916breathing or blinking or being anything except a boring mass produced robot with a mini puppeteering jew whos puppet strings is attached to you is exposed as a unironic grift apparently
>>115929860Right wingers are the easiest to grift from
>>115930089Dang, you're a weird one
>>115930089Really, you don't think there are any degrees between enforced boring normiehood and gay child gang rape?
>>115930161thats like asking if someone can do anything more than the sick trick flip they just did in front of you! the magicians show has multiple tricks to it dont you know!
>>115916174I love that culture war is so important that we cant say a boy lying to get into a female space is creepy
>>115921012This. It's the same reason why there was news about a trans woman getting elected as a Republican in local elections: Republicans don't fucking read about their candidates, they just vote based on party affiliation. That's why you can scam them eternally.
>>115930089If that claim is true that Ember Paradox does write those weirdly violent erotic literature while apparently belonging to apparent "anti degenerate" vtubing cliques like those on Kick that probably think that all gays are grooming kids, then yeah that's a weird disconnect.
>>115930264forget the culture war! did etika give a FREAK about the culture war? NO!!!!!!!!! THIS IS ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT AND SAVING THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>115929828Holy based
>>115924215The irony of what the image is saying versus the image name is killing me. Good bait.
>>115916174More like Right wang
>>115921012>leftoids also tend to just be smarter, so there's a lower rateLOL LMAOOOO there's no way people still believe this right? Lefties have been so afraid to have their own opinions for so long that they've just stopped thinking for themselves. Not believing all the same historical narratives, gender bullshit, race nonsense etc means banishment. That's how you get Clara saying "uh we're mad at bluesky right now, I don't remember why but fuck them"
>>115916174>theyIf it's a man, just call him "he". It's not hard. Stupid thread.
>>115930781why do what is easy she earned the pronoun more than any "real" "female" or tranny ever has far as i am concerned, most of you all are just a they them you let the world suck and be this boring for so long now you have your favorite little anime bunny girl or what ever animal it was crying "its so gross!" go watch that 24/7 and throw money at it if it so much better than ember
>>115926543Because they're people with a delusion about themselves that they expect the rest of the world to validate. It's bad enough that troons are convinced that they are something they aren't, it's worse that troons want others to agree with their falsehoods. There are all the knock-on effects too, like women losing their private spaces because men who jerk off to the idea of being a girl want to force themselves in. And it's just a very backwards, sexist ideology, that the things that make somebody a man or a woman aren't the plain simple physical reality, but instead are just affectations like if you wear pants or use a fake high voice, equating man and womanhood to autistic parodies based on cultural stereotypes from things like porn.
>>115930418>>115916174
only discovered ember recently cause of this not sure how being male is supposed to be problem, gender not real anyway, i find them really interesting so far, liars are fun insanity is fun kindness is fun cleverness is fun that all seems like it is there at least somewhat so unless extremely convinced ember did wrong do not care will even call her a she and might even throw money at them to spite the crying anime bunny that you all obsessed with
>>115916174>When questioned as to whether he considers himself to be trans Ember replied “I don’t know” He wants to pull the Kevin Spacey defence but doesn't want to cut his dick off because he's been gooning to the all-female chats.
>>115931229This is the final boss of ESLs
>>115923554>In literally no era of the internet would a dude pretending to be women be given a pass when people learned they were tricked.Thats just a lie. Plently of people would side with the catfisher and laugh at the "victim" in the old internet. Dont belive me look at chrischan and his girlfriends.You were the fuck up for thinking whover you were talking to was actually a girl and not a man or fbi agent.
>>115929916The counter argument is based around creative freedom, separating fiction and reaIity, and the fear of giving the religious right the power of censorship over anything sexual they don't like. Yeah, Ember's high school fantasy is weird, but if you label it obscene and unacceptable today, tomorrow the the neo church moms like strawb will be going after redo of a healer, berserk, gushing over magical girls, lolicon manga, or big boobed women in fighting games or whatever they think offends their god. So better to stop that slippery slope here. A lot of young right turned against the left because of their sexual censorship campaigns. As long as people can distiNguish between reality and fiction there's no harm done.Leaflit mentioned for example she's 100%, creative freedom and gave the eample she written rape filled scenarios for her ttrpg, which people could use to argue she's fucked up in the head, so she's not going to hold Ember's stuff against them.
>>115931505>Dude seriously bringing up chrischan as his evidence
>>115931669Its a valid example. There are so many people who got scammed on mmos or forums and the blame was put on the victim for being retarded. The difference now is it happened to women.
>>115931505Those were people on 4chan dot org messing with him for entertainment. If he hadn't gone and raped his grandma there would be more sympathy for him
>>115931505>No you see because the kiwifarms types, like Null, had their way with their autistic god figure that means it was totally normal behavior in the internet and not a fringe minority of rejectsYou're a literal retard.>>115931787That is because the scammer fucked off 99% of the times retard. Anyone who stayed using the same name would catch shit for it.
>>115916174In case anybody needs to know who's supporting Ember and whos with Strawb on her crusade against Ember.>Team Ember>leaflit>bannanajuju>celestium>powdur>lord intellectual>mamaocco>kai marin>Team Strawb>rev>kirsche>tectone>maria grace>yukiwaru>nuxtaku>venatrix>harmful opinions>sidscrollers>tactikal templar>shoeonhead
>>115932228Unless Powdur changed her stance since the stream she did on it, she's not team Ember, she's team "Yeah, that Ember stuff's fucked, but I hate Strawb with every fibre of my being."
>>115932352If you criticize Strawb or any of the foids involved that means your a tranny defending victim blaming ember supporter apparently, sorry but thats how it works or so i'm told.
>>115932228Okay be honest anon, which of these names did you just make up for this post and which are real vtubers?
>>115932352NTA and I haven't seen her stream on the matter but the troons have been pushing that she said the drama was dumb. Framing her words as if she said Ember didn't deserve it. Which would be in support of Ember.
>>115932637Not surprising, but I watched it and that's a massive reframing of what she actually said. She spent most of the segment just raging about Strawb (fair, I'm not the biggest fan myself) and Rev because of the problems they've caused her in the past, then between that she was mostly of the opinion that the Ember stuff was bad but she needed to see more proof of the worst stuff (her stream was fairly early on before a lot of it came out).
>>115932352I might be oversymplifying their positions, like Kirsche said she thinks strawbs retarded but she clearly hates Ember's autogynophylia enough to go on sidescrollers and rant about it and spar with Leaflit on twitter. Powdur said she didn't think the ember situation was a big deal, but she called Strawb malicious snake. Celestium said she doesn't support transgenderism an cant because of her faith, but has forgiven him and wants to be his friend and they've arranged a collab. I'm not writing a play by play.
>>115931590I actually agree, I'm not in favour of censoring it no matter how repulsive it is. But not censoring isn't the same as actively defending it from social backlash. As far as I understand it, Leaflit's position is that there are far more important battles to fight and that this is counterproductive to the "movement", or whatever you want to call it. Well my counter-argument to that is that allowing your "movement" to be openly associated with child gang rape snuff porn is significantly more damaging.
>>115919041Why do ESLs think every word that ends in -ing has to be a verb? Have you never heard of a dumpling or underling?
>>115916174Who?
>>115932876You mean like how the supposed "women"s only" chat groups weren't actually women only and everyone was making lewd jokes and flirting with each other equally?Also Ember never tried to hide or disown the book, even talking about it within as being proud of it within the last year or so, but somehow nobody from ember's fandom or friend community went to her kindle and noticed that "she"'d been selling force feminization erotica and went "wtf" until Strawb a few months ago?
I won't say that women deserve to get raped because this board is just Reddit with racial slurs and I don't wanna get banned. But I will say this is why women get raped so much. They completely lack any and all discernment skills. When left to their own devices, they invite creeps in to advantage of them then they blame all men for not protecting them. As if white knight simps are just supposed to magically spawn inside their private chat room to point out obvious shit like this.
>>115933270>You mean like how the supposed "women"s only" chat groups weren't actually women only and everyone was making lewd jokes and flirting with each other equally?This isn't actually true, btw. There were a couple of husbands/boyfriends in there, but that's not the same as "everyone was making lewd jokes and flirting with each other equally". There are multiple female vtubers who have said they would never have engaged with the type of sexual jokes / flirting that they did if they'd known that Ember was a man, especially considering that some of them have boyfriends themselves.Take Yuki for example, she has a boyfriend, do you think she would go on stream with another man and have him saying he wants to introduce her to bdsm and buttplugs? Are you capable of seeing that a woman in a relationship probably wouldn't behave like that with a guy that isn't her boyfriend? Ember only got away with it because he was pretending to be a woman.
>>115933734>There are multiple female vtubers who have said they would never have engaged with the type of sexual jokes / flirting that they did if they'd known that Ember was a manmakes the discord sound like a sorority. if the joke isnt pure enough to be said to guys but it is to be said to girls in front of everyones husbands sounds like born again christians still love to sin and party
>>115933734Hes not arguing in good faith so he just spins the narrative
>>115933952They aren't all Christians. And I'm beginning to wonder if the Ember defenders have ever actually had mixed friend groups irl. Let's do a hypothetical: Imagine two couples hanging out, can you really not understand that the girls might make a dick sucking joke to each other, in front of the guys, but that it would be inappropriate for one of the guys to make the same dick sucking joke to the girl that isn't his girlfriend?
>>115932228>sidscrollersCraig isn't with either, he dislikes that Ember hid his identity but he also hates how strawb just asked like a piece of garbage human being such a direct question about his gender, like, weren't they friends? is she fucking autistic? tha's gotta be it, because that approach was just too fucking cruel.
>>115933952Only really makes sense from some weird safe voyeur lesbian cuckolding thing>It's one thing to pretend to be a lesbian and flirt with the the girls while our husbands watch, but they're not allowed to join in.
>>115933734>Take Yuki for example, she has a boyfriend, do you think she would go on stream with another man and have him saying he wants to introduce her to bdsm and buttplugs? Are you capable of seeing that a woman in a relationship probably wouldn't behave like that with a guy that isn't her boyfriend? Ember only got away with it because he was pretending to be a woman.It's crazy how Ember defenders cannot understand something so simple. Probably sexpests themselves
>>115934171>They aren't all Christians.no but the loudest are born again christians\And I'm beginning to wonder if the Ember defenders have ever actually had mixed friend groups irlnone that i flirt with or do gay shit with in front of the opposite sexImagine two couples hanging out, can you really not understand that the girls might make a dick sucking jokethe joke would need to be specific and in a specific setting because it could be awkward regardless. most of the time i would not make sexual jokes even if the spouse is around.
>>115934373and this means i been drinking too much to post so fuck it
>>115934206Strawwb had this all planned out for months. She tried to recruit Celestium for the attack, but she was against attacking ember publicly and said they should try to do a private intervention discussion about strawbs concerns with Ember, but it would have to wait because Celestium had enough on her hands with her mom struggling for life and didn't think ember was intentionally malicious or an immediate threat. Strawb supposedly agreed, then turned around and attacked anyway without even warning celestium.
>>115934373The person making the dick sucking "joke" was Ember. Everything the girls have said was extremely mild.
>>115934482
>>115916174Don’t know anything about this drama. But a man pretending to be a woman to get into any kind of woman’s space is a fucking weirdo. And anyone on the side of this tranny is a retard.
>>115933050>As far as I understand it, Leaflit's position is that there are far more important battles to fight and that this is counterproductive to the "movement", or whatever you want to call it.here's what leaflit has on her twitter>I’m an antisocial nerd, so I’m bad at communicating. I asked AI to help clean up my flow of consciousness to be more easily understandable for everyone. This is the last thing I’ll say on the Ember situation… sorry it is long, you don’t have to read it:>The old internet was built for this. Social circles, MMOs, avatars, and handles let people be themselves or be something else entirely. You could be a different gender, a different species, a completely invented person, and the space treated that as normal rather than a problem to solve. For a lot of nerds, that was the point. The character was the version of you that existed there. You didn’t owe anyone a tour of the body sitting at the keyboard just because they decided they liked talking to you.>Ember said “I’m a woman” and “I’m not a man.” In my rule set, that was still the character. The whole point of kayfabe is that the persona speaks as the persona. If the character is a woman, the character says she’s a woman. That doesn’t automatically turn into a claim that the person behind the account is biologically female, any more than a male VTuber playing a catgirl is claiming to be a cat.>I don’t have a problem with Ember keeping the female character. Online, the persona is the person you’re dealing with. The avatar, the voice, the consistent presentation—that’s the identity that exists in the space. Other creators invited that character into chats and talked to the character. I don’t think that created a debt for Ember to exit the character and hand over real-world information just because people wanted to be friends.>No one has shown proof of coercion or Ember pushing for sexual stuff beyond basic banter. It was ordinary chatting under the assumption created by the kayfabe. From the older internet rule I use, you aren’t owed someone’s offline body just because they presented their persona to you. Treating the later discovery as proof they should have confessed earlier feels entitled to me. They invited the avatar. The avatar showed up. The rest was optional.>This only looks like a clear case of deception if you already start from the position that the physical person must override the character once the conversation is personal, or that anything the character says about being a woman is a literal claim about the operator’s body. I don’t start from that position. It’s a different standard for what an online identity is allowed to be, not a shared rule that one side is simply failing. The online person shared with you about their real self if they wanted. >I understand why they’re upset though. From their culture , they entered those chats under a working assumption that the presented sex matched the real one, shared things they say they wouldn’t have shared otherwise, and later treated the mismatch as a broken premise. That feels like a violation if you believe the physicality stays relevant in private online relationships. I get that reaction. I just don’t share the rule that makes the offline details something other people were entitled to in the first place. >This is why I don’t understand it myself outside of emulation.
Remember if you are a troon, lie about being a troon, and write child rape forced sissy porn chudtubers will come to your defense if you say the right things.Ember is based but Valens is bad despite them being literally the same. >>115933050Her opinion is worthless because she has now defended having minors in adult discord spaces and now defending a troon who writes sissy rape porn. She is a middle aged woman using Internet memes and autism as a defense for why lying isn't bad.
What is chud about these women anyways the fact they like the bible? Pro abortion, pro sissy rape, pro porn, pro only fans, pro tranny.They aren't based they are grifting retards who aren't talented enough to just play games so they have to pander to retards obsessed with politics
>>115937070So... lie, obfuscate your positions, be self-serving and disingenuous...so that people will come to your defense for doing the bad things you did to garner their support?And this will somehow own the right, instead of serving as a good way to weed out the wackos lurking in the shadows by forcing them to pick a side?Am I just too retarded to understand, or not retarded enough?
>>115937220>so that people will come to your defense for doing the bad things you did to garner their support?>Ember became a troon and sexpested women to gain our supportWhat the fuck are you even saying?
>>115937220The right is owning themselves by defending a tranny who writes sissy child rape porn and pretended to be a woman to them. Everyone but Kirsche is pro tranny lies and even then I bet she will forgive the tranny if all her friends do and continue to collab
>>115937310Too retarded, got it. Or too drunk. It's Halloween.
>>115937410Hey now, sex work is real work, if I want to pay money for someone to agree with my politics while using "the voice," that's between me, her, and the rest of chat.
>>115937357Yea Kirsche will buckle. She will suck the tranny cock to protect her livelihood because shes too dumb to point out how retarded, and biased, Leaflit was in her twitter post.
>>115937357>right is owning themselvesso a day ending in y?
>>115937605
>>115937582I don't know about that. The list of the two sides posted earlier is significantly stacked in favour of the anti-Ember team.
>>115937357Kirsche has never collabed with Ember before, so she can't really continue to collab. The only somewhat large vtuber who has is Leaflit, otherwise it's mainly 2 and low 3 views.
>>115934206No, Strawb and Ember weren't friends. They were in one of those big 8 person collabs together.That's it. Celestium is the one who was/is friends with both Strawb and Ember.
>>115916174Gross
I can't believe futa Ember is retroactively canon
>>115938256trannies are not futa you stupid troon
>>115938329
>>115916174KEK
>>115932228Wow I actually fucking hate almost everybody on this list.I'm impressed. And I'm sure if I knew the ones I didn't recognize, I'd hate them too.
He has to do cosplay now and we will judge if he's a cute trap.
>>115932228There's genuinely only one name here I like.
>>115945758Ugh. Culture war, not even once.
>>115938329Lol this chud jerks it to trannies
>>115933004>Kirsche said she thinks strawbs retarded but she clearly hates Ember's autogynophyliaShe repeatedly said she hates him because he is liar and if he lied about his sex who know what else he has lying about.Kirsche not only hates liars because her lying ex(s?), she also hates men invading exclusively women's groups becase reporting on Futa Phil trying to force his way into one resulred in her having to flee her home and spend year hiding in bunker.You can blame her for taking Ember situation personaly but at least get your facts straight.
>>115932228I think the world would be better if every single one of these people died
>>115946257Why doesn't trannyphil start his own vtuber company exclusively for girl larpers? VTransX
>>115916174Chuds are the lolcows of vtubing
>>115926479Turns out that twitter post that gets spammed to hell and back was projection.Shocking.
>>115932228So is this has turned into a fascist vtuber civil war?Someone who is more qualified than me should make one of those wiki battle boxes for this.https://n.bellok.de/wikibox/
>>115926400>CuckReviews
>>115932228what does Ja Rule think of all this?
>>115932228Team ember lacking motion>Leaflit has wanted to choke on his tranny cock for months now>BananaJuju is a literal optics grifter>Who the fuck is celestium lmao>Powdur ragebaited by Strawb>leftoidsTheir defenders are getting obliterated on X. They disappear the moment people bring up that even Ember knows he'd have been been blacklisted for talking to women in relationships that way if they knew he was a man
>>115947287Ja Rule didn't know nothin bout it
LolTypical chud behavior
I don't get it? Why are people defending the tranny?
You guys honestly believe that none of these vtubers knew?Lmao
>>115949671There are lots of trannies and tranny lovers here. Like>>115949705running damage control.>Yea they all knew he was a man and let him sexpest them! Who do you think you're fooling?
>>115946319Wokies are the lolcows of IRL, as you are well aware.
>>115949984I dont like troonsI just think these chud vtubers are all faggots who would look the other way for a buck
The next gay war is going to be christcucks vs degenerates, and I'm on the side of degenerates.BTW why do christcucks suddenly grow teeth when it comes to attacking harmless faggots? Where's all that energy when muslims rape and murder them en masse?
>>115949671Cuz he didn't do anything that merits all this morafagging and gayops. Guy pretends to be an anime girl on the Internet and has a cringe fetish, stop the presses.
>>115950340>Trannies>Harmless faggotsIf it wasn'tt for them and feminists we wouldn't be living in clown world. >Where's all that energy when muslims rape and murder them en masse?Trannies and feminists are also the ones who championed muh tolerance and it's bigotry to call them out. Were you even sentient in 2010?
>>115950517Weird cope for the current state of things
>>115950517He never gained sentience.
>>115950461>Cuz he didn't do anything that merits all this morafagging and gayopssee>Take Yuki for example, she has a boyfriend, do you think she would go on stream with another man and have him saying he wants to introduce her to bdsm and buttplugs? Are you capable of seeing that a woman in a relationship probably wouldn't behave like that with a guy that isn't her boyfriend? Ember only got away with it because he was pretending to be a woman.
>>115933699lol the tranny got invited to an internet chat room and livestreams, not a locker room you overdramatic faglord
>>115950626Nothingburger.Bitch shouldn't be talking about bdsm and buttplugs with Internet people to begin with, one of the cartoons turning out to be a faggot doesn't change anything one way or the other and pretending otherwise is pure moralfaggotry.
>>115950758>buzzwords and no substance>pretending she was talking to anonymous people on the internet and not a friend she was collabing withTroon defenders can't help but be disingenuous
I thought being against safe spaces, especially for women, was a chud position? Now they're mad a guy got in with those women? Is it because he succeeded until now or did they turn into feminists?
>>115950880>chuds wanted trannies in women's lockerrooms and bathroomsWot
>>115950873Anon, internet friends are fake, for proof refer to how all the foids dogpiled their "friend" when they found out she's not a real cartoon.Besides, if it's a personal friendship thing why are you getting offended on their behalf?
>>115950900>getting naked and taking a dump on livestreamsDo chuubas really?
>>115929810Rev of all people crying about a man using a girl avatar is so funny.
>>115951054Hey I'm not the one bringing up women's spaces
>>115951013>internet friends are fake. How dare they dogpile a sexpest after learning they were being creeped on.Bet you're a groomer
>>115950880Gynocentrism is the traditional position. It's feminists who pretend to be against gender norms but in practice just exploit gynocentric bias to get on their fainting couch and demonize men.The only difference between leftist misandry and rightist misandry is that the left justifies it with the patriarchy and the right justifies it with religion.
>>115951013>Besides, if it's a personal friendship thing why are you getting offended on their behalf?Why are you getting upset on Ember's behalf?
>>115932228Holy fuck all of them need to be genocided without exception
>>115951230>sexpestChats are just normal banter.>they were being creeped onGayboy unironically dindu nuffin.
>>115951417>Chats are just normal banter.He would have gotten banned from the getgo if they knew he was a dude and he said that stuff, which he initiated, quit acting like you don't get it
Troon defender just looping again I see. Same talking points that got destroyed earlier in the thread.
>>115951478He didn't initiate it and him being a guy only makes a difference in the irrational fee fees of foids.
>>115951230>groomerGrown ass women aren't children.Chat rooms aren't locker rooms.Livestreams aren't bathrooms.Dilate.
>>115950340Yeah it's definitely not troons and their enablers who are the biggest supporters of muslims in the western world today. What a retarded thing to say.
>>115932228What the fuck happened with Bannanajuju, she used to be pretty chill and now she's begging for Asmongold's cock in all of his tweets kek
>>115950880I think it's pretty common for chuds to support not allowing male predators into women's only spaces, or to allow male predators to pretend to be women to get close to girls.
>>115951515>He didn't initiate itHe literally did. > him being a guy only makes a difference in the irrational fee fees of foids.and we're looping>>115933734>>115924048
>>115916174I do have to say it's surprising that anybody on the internet believes that a woman is using a voice changer. People will bring up things like Zentreya's voice reveal stream to show he's a man, when the actual definitive proof that these people are men is that they use voice changers at all. Women don't need voice changers to sound like women.
>>115951660She has nothing. So much wasted time trying to get a coherent thought out and patches of silence in her streams. She can only react to drama and asmongold is free real estate for someone like her.
Most vtubers are fat and ugly and don't resemble their cute avatar at all. It's funny to see all this fake outrage and people acting like they're super offended over a vtuber being fake. It really is like the worst of idol culture, it's so retarded and pointless.
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>>115946299Isn't that just Bestiary?
>>115950340>Where's all that energy when muslims rape and murder them en masse?Please understand, you need a loicense for that energy.
Why do they always have red hair?
>>115953820Because all men of culture know who the hottest anime girls are.
>>115950517I don't blame the trannies, they wouldn't exist without feminism. They're the CANCER at the root of ALL the gender and sexuality confusion. There wouldn't be angry women henpecking about pronouns and patriarchy. There wouldn't be all these lost young dudes who feel like a failure of men. I feel no ounce of sympathy for the TERFs. It's like calling Frankenstein a victim of his own monster.
>>115951407I hope nobody has to go through your pc when you die anon, dont leave the living with so many questions
>>115948547Everything kind of has slowed to a crawl. Baring Ember taking up Sidescrollers for that one-on-one interview to give him a chance to defend and explain himself or Asmongold taking notice late (too busy enjoying halloween with his gf), nothing is going to happen. Onlything left is for Strawb's team to do is the messy work of banning Ember's team from the group chats they control and extracting themselves from the ones they don't. Messy break up time.
>>115951659>>115956087>>115950517t.
>>115957630They are called to be like Jesus and that's what Jesus did. he was freaky
kikes are working over the weekend here on /vt/
>what is babiniku vtubersThis hobby should have never came to the west and become infested with westerner and their political shit.
Imagine watching political vtubers.
>>115959626This honestly. There no fun, and create endless drama.
>>115959572>>what is babiniku vtubersNot Ember. He lied and said he was female, only adding that after the drama
>>115926400It's always the ones you most expect, the porn addicts
>>115926400That doesn't address anything the drama is about though
>>115916174>pretend to be female>grift>get rightoid bucks It’s literally that easy
>>115916174Zentreya alt
>>115916174Ember is clearly a transwoman with internalized transphobia. I hope Ember uses this opportunity to see which side actually respects her as a woman and which side is saying that she's a man trying to deceive women for sexual pleasure. It's like a 'person voting for the tiger that chews people's faces off then getting surprised when the tiger chews their face off' moment.
>>115960385Zentreya confirmed futa with balls because she bred Fillian
>>115948547Did Rev ever piss in Strawb's mouth? According to Twitter Strawb has a piss fetish.
>>115961315wtf I love Strawb now
>>115929860He was doing it for money, like 90% of the right wing media ecosystem is psychos and retards parroting obvious bullshit for money at this point
>>115926130that... makes a lot of sense
How many chuds in here are mad because they unknowingly jerked it to a troon?Lol
>>115962723Most of them are only "right-wing" because the Left made it so everyone who doesn't approve of their grooming is rightwing. 15 years ago they'd all be liberals
>>115916174He didn't learn from Zentranny
>>1159631800
>>115963666It's ok anon. It didnt make you a gay
>>115936010Except that is wrong. Old internet everyone was a guy. Girl avatar, guy. Guy avatar, guy. Real life girl, guy. Real life bear, guy.
>>115961291>with ballshard pass
>>115917951>I'm not sure why this is a problem though.chudcels and having standards don't go hand in hand.
>>115962723Being a rightoid doesn't pay and is very risky, this whole idea that people would pretend to be rightists for money doesn't hold up because the main platforms (twitch, youtube) are against them and they have to deal with constant demonetizations, bans and gayops.Pretending to be a leftist for money on the other hand is smooth sailing, especially if you're a tranny since it makes you pretty much immune to bans and demonetization.
>>115963745Everyone was a guy posting anime girl reaction images.
>>115916174Your first mistake was thinking that a female right-wing zoomer could exist in the first place.
>>115967667they doin israel
>the polfags are hurting themselves>nature is healing
>>115967755even the examples you use exude retardation lmaostrait's closed
>>115967430The entire point of grifting the right is to have an easier time standing out from the masses and building a brand off it. Something that is way harder to do in the long oversaturated left market. Tectone's career was crashing hard after he was exiled by multiple fandoms for his endless dramamongering within those communities and only by pandering to the right did he managed to stay afloat.
>>115916174>“I don’t know,” Ember Paradox replied. “I don’t have an answer for that. When I’m streaming, this is me. Any time I stream, this is me; Ember, the redhead, sometimes anime catgirl. Off stream? Outside of Discord? I’m just…normal. I’m not going to therapy, I’m not going through medications, I’m not spending my days dressing up or anything like that…on stream, this is me. That’s the best explanation that I can give you.”Here's a better explanation: You're a dude with a voice-changer who got caught because you were too fucking stupid to set up a killswitch.You're welcome.
I thought the alt-right grifters were beyond identity politics and its the opinions and facts that mattered.I guess now it'll just be a race to see who is the most Anglo Christian vtuber
>>115916174The likes of Kotaku are delighted with the infighting. Strawb and Rev have been too clumsy and dummy.
>>115968353???idpol is all they have, and usually they're open about it tooin that sense vtubing is a godsend, doesn't matter if you're a tranner or mystery meat, if its virtual anyone can be a WASP
Right wing viewers be like, I'm gonna give money, engagement and attention to all the minorities I hate, and then cry like a baby and soil my diaper about it
>>115969435They love Jelly for some reason>brown>migrant family that never assimilated >bitches about locals often>hires trans person to make her musicI dont get it, she says one thing but she embodies plenty of the shit they claim to hate.
>>115946430You're a cuck if you stay with a chick who's cucking you. Chibi is an ex cuck, big difference.
>>115967430bro this isn't 2012 there are tons of dumb grifting rightoids
>>115961235Sup Ana. Still butthurt about your attempt to cancel Kirsche failing so miserably?
Why are chuds so easy to grift?
>>115969435>Right wing viewers be like, I'm gonna give money, engagement and attention to all the minorities I hate, and then cry like a baby and soil my diaper about itActually supporting troons make the libtards mad, MAGA won and we love trannies now.
>>115959572Japanese babiniku usually don't conceal being men in order to pick up chicks.
>>115950340go away rabbi we don't want any
>>115968372Yea because the right totally needs a tranny who calls women transphobic for not wanting troons in girls only parties.
>>115968722>anyone can be a WASPOr a moth, or a cockroach...!
>>115970897because they're really fucking tribal and really fucking stupid
>>115971395youre defending a BDSM sex pervert degenerate, one so astronomically retarded that they are on Caleb Hammers show, that was so retarded she got kicked out of her BDSM sex pervert degenerate group and bitches about it on the show. Thats how far youre willing to twist the narrative to continue attacking Ember. I know you wont, but if you were at all interested in assessing this fairly, surely you would agree that an IRL BDSM sex pervert too retarded to be allowed to remain in a group of IRL BDSM sex perverts is worse than a vtuber. You cant spread STIs over stream
>>115972042>ignores what is said and makes up his own argument to fight against.You're not going to twist this conversation into something it's not about you dishonest troon.He said women who don't want trannies, muh "REAL" trannies(because according to him sexpest trannies are not "REAL" trannies) are transphobes and he was very angry about it..End of story. That says all we need to know about this faggot. He is not an ally.
>>115970897I don't understand how powdurs fanbase isn't eating her alive after she got phone booked by the farms. She's been married this entire time and lying to everyone.
>>115972763They genuinely don't care as long as she keeps telling them what they want to hear.
>>115972831I guess part of it is that she's actually married to a white guy. So at least she's practicing what she preaches.
>>115916174Oh it WAS that Ember after all. Somehow I got it in my head that it was another “Ember.”>>115929860Based men are the norm. Based women stand out like Oases in the desert.>>115923542Women use false pretenses to infiltrate and ruin male spaces all the time.
>>115916174Leftoid: trannies and femboysRightoids: babisFrankly the trannies and femboys have a far worse reputation getting caught up in drama and google dockysBabis stay winning>>115916582Your westie brain can't comprehend larping or JP culture behind babis
>>115974009You're already tried that damage control >>115959572
>>115916174Pretending to be a chinese cartoon girl online is pretty gay. I would never be caught doing that.
>>115916174It's pretty much mandatory for every right wing grifter vtuber to either be brown, a tranny or a coalburner
>>115975926>NyarukoFun Fact: Mahiro's VA is a womanAnd Hastur is a femboy
>>115971552Whats the difference?
>>115977239>It's pretty much mandatory for every right winger to be a pedoftfy
It was incredibly obvious ember was a man using a voice changer, did “right wingers” actually fall for this?
>>115979500They wouldn't be this mad if they didn't
>>115916174>AI generated modelbro who's even watching this dude
>>115950340Watch some online sermons. Christianity is basically castrated and panders to women’s egos while shaming men. I don’t know why any self respecting man would want to go to church when you can convert to Islam or Judaism and have an actual religion that backs male gender roles and traditions as being useful instead. Christianity became too feminized and therefore destined to be raped on the world stage
Lmao the chuds are unironically becoming the islamist extremists because they cant get laid in a free society>>115979804
>>115979609They are pretending to be mad for petty mean girls tribalism. It's not really about a vtuber being a man, it's about whether you kneel for Strawb.Strawb only started this entire drama as revenge against Ember for not siding with her in a prior drama.
>>115979907KWAB
>>115934684Nah that's true
>>115979939>>115980523>anti strawb schizo is back
>>115950340As a degenerate I think being so afraid of Christians that you will defend a tranny who writes sissy rape porn and pretended to be a woman to gain access to money, popularity, and female spaces is a great way to fuck over other degenerates. If you really need to be pro trans and lying to own the left than the left already won retard
>>115979939Stawb is a mean girl bitch who revealed this in the worst way because she is a horrible person, but you don't need to defend Ember who is also a horrible person. Sucking the girl dick to own the mean girls and prove how chud you are is retarded
>>115980607Strawb is not a real Christian. She ignores the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ and uses his Gospel as a Bludgeon against others. Jesus Gospel was of hope and salvation while Strawb is all about throwing stones when she lives under a glass ceiling.
>>115980668True but are you really going to say real Christians support lying, sissy porn, and trannies?Why are you picking evil over evil when both are bad? Just denounce both
>>115980764You know Strawb is a lolicon with a piss fetish, right?
>>115980629>Ember who is also a horrible personI haven't seen the gayboy harm anyone or show any malice, not even towards the people running the cancel campaign.
>>115980844Did you miss the part where agreed that she is bad and also not a real Christian?I'm also a degenerate but I also have morals and not a total fucking retard so I think being a tranny pretending to be a woman to get across to women is wrong and talking about and bragging about your fetishes is stupid.Strawb, Chibi, Ember, and all the Ember defenders should just fuck off and die.
>>115980879>Chuds are now using the same arguments that troons use to enter women spaces
>>115980764Hes not a christian. Hes a literal tranny who thinks quoting matthew is a gotcha against christians without understanding the teachings of Christ are not laws but a guide. Jesus himself said he was not there to abolish the Law or the Prophets, Matthew 5:17-20. He probably thinks turn the other cheek means be a punching bag when self defense is explicitly allowed in the Old Testament.
>>115980879see>>115972421>He said women who don't want trannies, muh "REAL" trannies(because according to him sexpest trannies are not "REAL" trannies) are transphobes and he was very angry about it..Thats plenty of harm. His ilk is the cancer on society
Having read this thread I can say without a doubt that all /pol/tubers should be considered entirely off topic and their fans exiled to some thread on the board they obviously want to post on, desu.
>>115981030You being offended does not constitute harm.Harm outside of doing something physical is trying to cancel someone, lying about them, trying to ruin relationships, etc. You know, relational aggression.
>>115981031Woah you're so cool.Look at how much you don't care.One day I wanna be as cool as you anon.
>>115981140Nta but you seem illiterate
>>115981150>ntapfff lol
>>115981124Trans ideaology is extremely harmful to society. We've all lived these past 26 years, But maybe you were still in school then.
>>115981186Sure, but gayboy isn't teaching tranny ideology to children or anything. When you have to reach that far to come up with something, it just shows you have nothing.
>>115981218He has a microphone. He is supporting the viewpoint that not allowing trannies into women's bathrooms is transphobic and bad, because the "real" trannies won't do anything bad in there. LMAO
>>115980613>look at how offended I am by these degenerate things>i am totally a degenerate and totally not a christcuck by the way>anyway, look at how offended I am, how can you not be offended?
>>115981303>He is supporting the viewpoint that not allowing trannies into women's bathrooms is transphobicFirst time hearing this and you've lied and twisted things so much I'm not inclined to believe you.
>>115981355Projecting. Thats all you have done all thread
>>115981319I hate modern Christianity because the average church supports gay hippie Jesus and mass immigration, I hate online tradcaths because most workshop a gay Mexican who says support Muslims and the left, I have boomer Christians because they want to ban anything fun and conceded all institutions to the left.I also can hate the kind of degenerate where they have to blast what their fetish is 24/7 and main concern is gooning. Also lying about being a woman to gain access to women while being a tranny who writes sissy rape porn should not be acceptable on the right or left and instead should just be mocked
>>115981374So you were lying again then, no surprise there.
>>115981416>literally cannot stop twisting what was saidLike I said. All you have done this entire thread.
>>115981303>He is supporting the viewpoint that not allowing trannies into women's bathrooms is transphobicnta but can you point me to where he said this? I'm on his side but if he really said that, I'll do a 180.
>>115981433That greentext was a word-for-word quote of what you claimed, so either post the clip or kill yourself, preferably both.
>>115981460>Ember lied about being a woman to gain access to women>Ember writes sissy rape porn so being treated like a woman is his fetish>Actually none of this actually hurt anyone This is normal trans apologetics
>>115980987>>115980764I'm an actual cradle Catholic who went to a Catholic private school and did a second Major in Theology. I can quote the Bible, Holy Tradition and Cathecism. I try to follow God's teachings and carry my cross every day, no matter how hard it is. We as Christians are supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner. Just like someone here said, Strawb has done very sinful things herself beyond what she did to Ember. But the reason as to why, what she did is egregious is that as someone who calls herself a Christian she lacks the grace of someone who follows the word of God. The fact that she went against what our Lord Jesus Christ told us to do should make people reconsider her seriousness on her faith.Has Ember done some weird shit? Absolutely and if Ember thinks he can become a woman (he can't) then he would be partaking in sin. Lying about himself and pretending to be someone you are not is sinful but that doesn't excuse Strawb of what she did.A good Christian would first go private, then bring others of the community in and help tbe person become a better Christian. Instead Strawb just basically threw fire at a situation that could have been peacefully resolved.And if Ember isn't a Christian then this would have been a great opportunity to teach Ember the Good News of Jesus Christ. But due to either Strawb's pride, arrogance or anger in her heart she threw that away. Jesus expects a lot from those who follow him and I hope if anyone here is a Christian, to understand that the faith doesn't give you Carte Blanche to put down others.
>>115981460Same. I didn't know this guy existed before this drama so I don't really know if he has said something like that in the past.
>>115981487I was expecting a clip from a react he did. Anything that isn't your psychoanalysis?
>>115981569At this point it's pretty obvious thay he's lying.And remember, he's supposedly this devout giga Christian who is just super mad that gayboy dared to lie.
>>115981493>if Ember thinks he can become a woman (he can't)Even without the christian angle, this was a perfect opportunity to influence and help a guy that's clearly confused to land at a healthier outcome instead of farming him for content and pushing him toward your ideological opponents.
>>115981460>>115981516His rant inhttps://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?si=a-VLE3nBGZh9NxYq&t=5183It's not muh real trans doing the creepy stuff in bathrooms. And agrees it's transphobic to not want to be sexually involved with troons if you're a woman who wants women only.
>>115981569>>115981624>troon defenders giving themselfves something to reply to sad
>>115981651That's the sad thing. This could have been a good opportunity to help a confused young man out.
>>115981493>she lacks the grace of someone who follows the word of God. The fact that she went against what our Lord Jesus Christ told us to do should make people reconsider her seriousness on her faith.You're clearly LARPing and these lines give you away
>>115981624I'm not a Christcuck but if you have to be one to be against a lying troon who writes sissy porn pretending to be a woman to gain access to them then you might actually need Jesus Also here someone posted the clip>>115981678
>>115981678I've already seen the clip where he talks about the BDSM club without the peanut gallery. He's not saying trannies should be allowed into women's restrooms, he's saying the chick on the show understandably got kicked out of the club for wanting to exclude trannies. That's not the same. BDSM are all freaks to me so I have a hard time caring about that. What I care about is stuff like restrooms, sports, and schools, not literal kink sex clubs.also>It's not muh real trans doing the creepy stuff in bathroomsFunny because that's kirsche's viewpoint. She believes the AGPs are separate from actual trannies.
>>115981678Eh it's a bit of an incoherent rambling.Starts by saying that trannies who want to get into women's bathrooms are freaks and should be condemned unambiguously, but then tries to make a point that someone who rejects trannies in bdsm is a fake bdsm fan because... reasons? Because you're supposed to be freaky in bdsm I guess? It's a retarded argument at best and I'm with Craig here, that's something I would like to ask him what the fuck he was even trying to say.
>>115981858>Funny because that's kirsche's viewpoint. She believes the AGPs are separate from actual tranniesWow a female isn't a real chud and is 95% the same as any other woman how shocking. Stop worshipping women
>>115981858>He's not saying trannies should be allowed into women's restrooms,You're being disingenuous. He clearly states the perverts who do it to do creepy stuff are not "real" trannies and the trans comunity hates them. This clearly implies that it'd be fine if a "real" trans person did it.>That's not the same.He's clearly agitated over a women not wanting to be sexually involved with trannies and literally says her getting kicked out and called a transphobe is "good". Also hilarious projection of sexpesting from him
>>115981858>Funny because that's kirsche's viewpoint. She believes the AGPs are separate from actual trannies.Oh yeah I didn't even notice that. In this clip Kirsche is shitting on gayboy for making the same distinction she does.
If you write forced sissification rape porn you are clearly AGP if you really want to use that as a defense
>>115981678Do you have the original Stream of Ember's or at least the original caleb hammer episode. for greater context and not an edited down clip? Given they're watching Caleb Hammer, I'd kind of would like to know how this woman's complaining about transwomen in bdsm clubs has to do with her financial audit. She paying extra not get matched with tranny?
>>115981978I-It's a horror story!>Proceeds to insert all the fetish buzzwords and tropes. >Had uploaded previously to a fetish site under the name M. Erika(like the protag)Ember is a blatant liar kek
>>115981991Caleb Hammer is half Springer Show now
>>115981930Oh look, it's mariagrace. The vtuber that was all jokes and smiles at first when ember was outed, but did a 180 after getting in trouble with her husband for laughing as sex jokes in a discord chat.>This clearly implies I don't work with implications. The dude is a reactor. There HAS to be something out there showing him supporting trannies in women's bathrooms. If it exists. >but he got agitated over the BDSM thing. I just don't care about sex club etiquette. What about the fact the chick in the video was also excluding men? Maybe that compounded the issue for the other members. I don't know and I don't really care.
Ember wrote a self insert sissy rape fiction in a fetish website. There is no fucking greater evidence yet people ignore it. You are the same as a Hasan fan
>>115982090>fictionYeah exactly.
>>115982052>I-I don't care what he said!Well thanks for admitting you're just here to defend the troon
>>115982111Funny how he had to lie about it instead of saying it was just fictional fetish material. Guess that guilty conscience made him slip up
>>115982111>He's not a troon he just pretended to be a woman online and his pen name is the same as the protagonist of his forced sissy rape novel. >Stop caring about fiction what are you woke?
Templar you can stop samefagging it's getting embarrassing.
>>115982113Yes, I don't care about a slutty woman in a sex club saying she wants an all woman's day so she can have nothing be lesbian sex. >you're just here to defend the troonI chimed in because it sounded like you might have something to 180 my stance. Doesn't look like it some I'm just gonna peace out and go jerk off to tranny porn. Haha, jk jk. Or am I?
Let's be honest, if you're a dude who's 5'2 with a small dick (assumedly) what other option is there for you other than to troon out?
>Got to suck the girl dick to own the Christcucks so I can defend by Chudette oshiJust kill all online tradcaths and female chud vtuber fans already
>>115982113He doesn't even chang the file name. Obvious Emberfag not arguing in good faith.
>>115982090>Ember wrote a self insert sissy rape fiction in a fetish website.If by fetish website you mean kindle/amazon.Yeah, Ember is a masochist who fantasized about his high school bullies turning him into their sex slave and made it into a book you can currently buy for five bucks. Nothing about that is a crime.
>>115982252>If by fetish website you mean kindle/amazon.He had previously uploaded it to a different site. It's mentioned in the book for those who might think the story looks familiar
>>115982252B-but it offends me!
>>115982281>He had previously uploaded it to a different site.It's still also published to amazon.
Kirsche owes an apology to Valens
>>115982312And that doesn't change what was said. Anon you are trying so hard to be disingenuous that you can't even talk straight about anything said kek>Ember wrote a self insert sissy rape fiction in a fetish website.Is the literal objective truth. He then later published it to sell.
>>115982359And what is your point of bringing up the book again? That Ember has a fetish normies don't like but is also pretty damn common?
>>115982359Yes we know this makes your booty bloom but you haven't made a case for why we should give one iota of a fuck about it. There book is there and we can just, you know, not read it.
>>115982457Because if instead of being an open Babiniku they chose to pretend to be a woman to live their fetish in the chudtuber sphere. Now the chudtuber sphere is now saying being trans and agp is awesome
>>115982504And those points have nothing to do with Ember's book.>Now the chudtuber sphere is now saying being trans and agp is awesomeMore just like a handful. Stop watching Celestium and Leaflit and watch more Kirsche and Strawb.
>>115982504>Now the chudtuber sphere is now saying being trans and agp is awesomeNot really.The mean girls club and their billion simps aren't even defending Ember.A non-retarded minority of chuds are questioning all this moral grandstanding and the dogpiling of someone over a nothingburger.Besides if your problem is with the pretending to be the opposite sex thing then why don't you have a problem with babiniku as a whole? It's every bit as gay.
>>115982457 I didn't bring up the book. I pointed out your attempt at discrediting anon with a lie off the bat.
>>115982614>Besides if your problem is with the pretending to be the opposite sex thing then why don't you have a problem with babiniku as a whole? It's every bit as gay.Lying to women to get access to them to goon and live out your fetish is quite different than being an open and proud freak.
>>115982614The problem is the acceptance of trans ideology. I shit on asmonberg just the same.
>>115982651But the book by itself made you super butthurt and you keep bringing it up and going>see?! see how gay this is? this is SISSY PORN>how dare ember write SISSY PORN for a FETISH WEBSITE
>>115982714The book is proof of why they did what they did
>>115982634Where's the lie exactly?>EMBER WROTE FORCED FEMINIZATION>yeah, so what>IT WAS ON A FETISHSITE AT ONE POINT>It's currently on amazon.>A FETISH SITE!>Why do you keep bringing up the book?>I"M NOT,YOU'RE A LIAR.>>115982775>Ember wrote a book where he is sexually victimied.>THIS PROVES THE WAS PLANNING TO RAPE BY CHUDTUBER WAIFUSBoth of you, take your meds.
>>115982874You are not clever by any metric.>If by fetish website you mean kindle/amazon.Go ahead and pretend you don't understand
chudbros Nousagi just dropped that powdur is a man
>>115980764>are you really going to say real Christians support lying, sissy porn, and trannies?>what happened at the Halloween party at Mar-a-Lago, thrown by the leader of the party that's supposed to the 'Party of Law and Order', Christianity, and being anti-trannies & anti pornThat event alone proved that it's now more than impossible for anyone not a MAGA chud to be anything other than not only ultra-good, but infinitely superior to the Christian god.
>>115983436Beats me, unlike the leftist cult we're all just loosely allies against the LGBT gender/race politics and payment processor censorship even.Kinda funny how the right has more diverse thought
>the rightist cultftfy
>>115983238Powder is married
>>115983488>against the LGBT gender/race politicsYet you support a troon lying to get to women
>>115916174You know what's funny, ember is continuing to stream like nothing happened (other then the two streams talking about it) and his ccv is still going up, he did lose some followers but his actually viewers apparently don't care that he's not a "she", kek. Guess none of this mattered in the long run.
>lying to get to womenBut enough about closeted hypocrite chuds
>>115984044I don't support Ember though. Team Strawb here
>>115984296Ember is cooked. The people watching him to own the chuds will just as quickly abandon him.
i have unironically considered doing this. just pretend to be a girl and say retarded shit.
>>115972421kirsche, who has been frantically crashing out for days, very frequently goes out of her way to make a clear distinction between 'real trans people' and troons/AGPs.I dont particularly care about the plight of a retard on Financial Audit that tries to go into a tranny sex pervert group and gets kicked out for trying to detranny it. Just because it sounds good doesnt negate the principle that tourists are cancer. We can probably both agree the world would be better if everyone involved with that show died, but youd rather defend 'womens spaces'. lol I cant think of anything more faggy than letting women control narratives like this.
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