>>116174485
that's right, i made those talents graduate

Don't hire lazy whores who can't into CGDCT.

>caring about stocks
>caring about investors
>going public ever

The drop today is a bit weird, the trade volume after was very low. Usually this means something institutional made the decision to dump, rather than retail.

>>116174526
Then why did they hire Nene Amano?

>>116174485
KWAB

>>116174485
>The magic is gone
>They lost the mandate of heaven
>It is bad juju
How can Cover reCover?

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>>116174485
that's a bummer

>>116174562
This desu

>>116174714
Firing homos would be a good start

>>116174841
Why? What made their financial situation so dire?

>>116174714
Let Marine actually be naked in holodori like she requested.

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>>116174485
Fishman wins by doing absolutely nothing.

>>116174861
most Venture Capital startups are often destined to one of those 3 things, Cover isn't exempted.

>>116174485
Why do fans care about corpo talk? Hololive is not going anywhere if they can afford to payroll homos until the end of time.

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>>116174485
HOLOKEKY

>>116174861
You're literally forced to do so

>>116174767
They did that last time and that didn't solve anything.

>>116174996
By who?

>>116174976
>if they can afford to payroll homos
Does he know?

>>116174485
I call this SNO SHOCK

>>116174999
>They did that last time
Homos are still there though

>>116174485
Cover is extremely bloated when they have 300+ employees and they force their talents to handle their own tech issues.

>>116175017
jews

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>>116174485
Hololive? More like Holodead amiright

>>116174861
Do you understand where they got the money to even start Cover and Hololive? Venture capital gives you money with the understanding that you will eventually go public and start making back their investment and more.

>>116174485
>talents
it's just fucking Rusia

>Put all your money in propping up that whore Sakura Miko
>can't recover.
makes sense.

>>116174861
They made a deal with intitial investors for cash to start their operation and keep it going, because shit was expensive and cover had no money. Finally, after years, initial investors saw the fruit had grown and was ready for harvest and that they wanted the money they loaned back (+ extra, for the hassle of lending for nothing in return for years). In order to pay off this old debt come knocking, they had those three choices. Either way, the money that laid the ground for their entire expensive business had to be repaid. In order to keep the show going, the best way was to either sell th business to someone else and the proceeds would pay off the initial investors (and nobody else at the time had money and interest in the industry at the time besides the chinese) or do an IPO so that the investors could get their money back, which they did and immediately dipped and went on to make the same faustian bargain with other startups, such being their business.
This was all laid out in official documentation by cover btw.
Understand now?

>>116175225
How did Cover have no money, when they were raking in superchats throughout the Covid boom in 2020 and 2021? (the big venture capital funding was at the end of 2021)

Bae could afford 18 pole dancing lessons for 3 seconds of footage, guessing they are going to be fine.

>>116175274
holy h*ck they can cough up three thousand dollars
watch out anthropic

>>116175311
>h*ck
Where did you even come from?

>>116174485
Nijiseethe thread
Still coping about your black company being in the red huh?

>>116174485
I wish I was responsible for holosharts downfall but no they did it to themselves.

>>116175260
They did have loads of money, money they needed to operate their business.
Imagine it like this: some rich guy gives you a load of cash to start your company in exchange for owning half of it. Now that the company has a lot of meony he wants to cash out. How are you going to pay him? Liquidating half the entire company? selling all your equipment, property, and IP? Firing everyone? There's no way to do it without destroying yourself. And it was even more than half, more like 90%. The pig got fat enough and now the farmer wants bacon. How do you give him bacon without killing the pig?
You find other farmers who agree to pay off the first farmer with their own money in exchange for shared ownership of the pig so they can do the same thing.

The only alternative would be taking out some massive loan, by almost by definition it's impossible for a company to afford to buy itself, as any assets it can sell to get money would have to also be replaced. The only remote possibility is a total gamble on massive explosive growth, which has a good chance of just instantly bankrupting the entire company.

>>116175095
>handle their own tech issues
How the fuck do you expect a Unreal engine dev to do desktop support on some brain empty VA's personal PC in another country? Should they log in via Teamviewer like a Nigerian prince scammer?
Cover is a software company with an idol unit hanging off of it and the idol unit and their VAs should thank their lucky stars every day they aren't replaced with some AI fluff to make anime girl noises in tune with an MMD model.

>>116174861
Vtubing and hardware dev. (arguably their garbage L2D software as well that was years behind everything else)
You know how most vtuber companies have died?
Yeah, Cover would have been one of those if they didn't go public.
Depending on the industry, up to 75% of companies go bust in 10 years.

>>116175454
>Imagine it like this: some rich guy gives you a load of cash to start your company in exchange for owning half of it.
Did Yagoo do that? Sell half the stake in Cover to someone back before 2020?
>The only remote possibility is a total gamble on massive explosive growth
But they got that explosive growth in 2020 and 2021, yet for some reason still seeked out more venture capital in late 2021.

>>116175459
>Should they log in via Teamviewer like a Nigerian prince scammer?
kind of bizarre to present the solution and mock it at the same time
you know these programs exist for a reason, they weren't invented by the scammers

Sorry but the magic is just fading now. Too much sponsorslop and a shitton of merch releases to the point where even some dedicated gachis can't keep up. Streaming time for most talents drastically decreased over the last 2 years because they focus more on concerts and events now.
I want the Hololive from 2022 back

>>116175542
>But they got that explosive growth in 2020 and 2021, yet for some reason still seeked out more venture capital in late 2021.
?
>corporation exists to make money wants even more money to make even more money
That's how this thing generally goes; you don't "just stop" because you "feel satisfied", especially if there's people willing to bankroll you. Cover mentioned this either in a report or Yagoo did just as a general annoucement or in an interview I think just after they went public when everyone was asking wtf was going on. He had no other choices but those options if he wanted the company to endure: sell to someone else, stock market or shut down and strip for parts to pay off creditors.

>>116175618
What deals did they make? Prior to 2020 they only had a small ~$6mil venture capital funding, something they could easily "buy back" with the ludicrous amounts of money they made in the 2020/2021 Covid boom.
Given how much money they were making, there was no reason for them to even consider the $75mil venture capital funding (ie: "deal with the devil") at the end of 2021.

>>116175613
Nobody uses Teamviewer professionally. Fucking nobody, that's amateur hour high schooler "who's good with computers" horseshit.
You manage your fleet of end user hardware via GPO objects deployed to user's hardware via your AD domain controller. If you have to remote in for whatever reason you force log out the user and log in as an administrator using synchronized administrator credentials that only IT support can view.
And this doesn't work for Cover because they rely on their talents buying their own gaming and streaming rig. What Cover should have been doing from the beginning is mandating RTO as soon as COVID lifted and having their talents come to a dedicated streaming room in their office building in Tokyo between like 12PM and 10PM. They would need some sound management but otherwise the roll-out would just be a slightly warmer than usual (from all the gaming PCs) call centre infrastructure rollout.
BYO computer is not good IT security practice at all and we're lucky IRyS didn't have a compromise with the NIKKE launcher last week.

>>116175667
>That's how this thing generally goes; you don't "just stop" because you "feel satisfied", especially if there's people willing to bankroll you.
But that's the thing, Cover didn't need bankrolling. They were making money hand over fist during the covid boom. They didn't need that $75mil in venture capital funding in late 2021. They could have avoided even having to make a choice if Yagoo wasn't greedy.

>>116175668
Better look over their company documentation if you want answers to these questions.
>>116175707
All companies "need" more money, forever, are you retarded? Have you been asleep your whole fucking life and don't get how things work and why things are so shitty? Cover "needed" it especially since they wanted to pour money down the drain that was holoearth kek

>>116175668
You're not thinking in percentages. If they just had to pay off a loan it wouldn't have been an issue. But they had to buy back shares, which automatically grow with the company. If you owe me everything that's in your wallet, no matter how hard you work you'll never earn enough to pay me off.

>>116175826
So basically Yagoo was a dumbass for selling stakes in the company instead of just getting a loan.

>>116175857
Yes and no. The way it turned out it was a bad deal, but he probably thought it was a longshot and expected to fail. If the company went under he wouldn't be on the hook for anything to the investors, but if he took a loan he'd be fucked. He also probably got way more money that he would have otherwise, and not having to pay interest freed up even more cashflow.

So it's entirely possible he only succeeded because he didn't take a loan. Would he have ever taken the risk hiring Sora if he'd been on the hook for a strict interest repayment plan?

>>116174485
>loss from graduating talents
Took them a while to realize how valuable those golden goose they once had

>>116174861
They wasted a shit ton of money for holoearth, failed california office, failed several en projects, clunky management that took all the money the girl made

>>116175018
Jp get canned, but homoen still alive to traumatize unicorns

>>116175459
Watson acted as tech support for the majority of en, out of pure goodwills, and most of them don't live in the same country. Filthy management did jackshit to help en talents

>>116174562
I never understand why people like this think investors are this ominous third party that stands separately from customer and company. An investor is just someone who owns a share of a public company, you could buy a share right now for cents and be an investor too.
And for some reason it is just assumed that there's this disconnect between what "the evil investors" want and what the people want.
"But the investors just want the stock price to go up!!" yeah? And it goes up when the company does well, as in, delivers a good product to its customers. It is in the interest of shareholders for the company to do well, this does not do well therefore it also isn't in the interest of the investors to just graduate talents left and right.
I mean what was that, they barely tried to keep the members that left, is it just arrogance?

>>116176065
there can definitely be a disconnect between what's profitable for the company in the long-term and what the existing users want, even if holokeks exaggerate it at times

>>116176128
But then that would just be human folly itself, nothing else. Yeah we should have low time preferences. If we as a society don't, we have much more underlying problems than "shareholders just being greedy"

>>116176065
Oh you sweet summer child.

>>116176065
You can also make the stock price temporarily go up my making major cuts to your business, or being incredibly short sighted and having no interest in long-term investments because you need immediate returns.

>>116176065
You're so naive it's not even funny.
How to make stock go up according to investor:
1. broader audience = more money
2. lower wages = outsourcing to slave countries
Both of which shit on the core audience by catering to people who weren't interested in the first place and providing a lower quality product that is safer and blander.

>>116174714
get rid of the homos entirely
put pressure on the homo lover talents to correct them or be replaced
prop up the cgdct girls so they get more followers
bring mel back
make a lewd subdivision called erolive so they can compete in the coomer market. horny holos (marine) can also be part of it but enforce a strict no degeneracy in holo chat rule to keep the indians out, save it for ero chat

>>116176329
You're not actually considering the long term implications, if the company and stock is hurt in the long term, then that was obviously not the best way to make the stock go up. It's not a "safer" product if it attracts less people.
You just assume that that would be the only course of action.

Doing what you describe is a mistake yes, but unrelated to being public or not. Companies with bad management do so without being public too.

>>116176065
dude both nvidia and amd are at all time stock price highs even though their reputation has sunk worse than 10 nijisanjis tied together

>>116175674
I worked in multiple companies with five digit employees around the world beforehand, with a significant global share of the market they appeared in, and they all used Teamviewer. You're just a schmuck stuck in the 2000s, not understanding modern needs and software.

Real question is if Cover burns up and nobody buys them up, what'll happen to the IPs aka the characters? There's good money in like a handful of the characters as just advertisement pieces, especially if you can buy that talent's contract. But nobody is buying Kiara's contract, so I wonder what would happen to her character.

As for Cover's financials, yeah, losing a lot of talent and good will in a niche industry that only boomed due to a global crisis means you're running out of people and time. 2030 should be survivable. 2035 tho?

>>116176667
>their reputation has sunk
With whom? Twitter users mad as they always are? That's irrelevant. Their reputation in being important for AI cimputing power is of course high because it's so necessary for that

>>116174485
Maybe don't treat your breadwinner employees like trash.

>>116174861
Yagoo's hololive META project.
But unlike Zuckerberg's retardation he didn't have jewish money piles to cushion the disaster.

Nimi won

It's literally over. Hololive will end before christmas.

>>116174485
Maybe if Holodiri wasn't one of the most predatory nickle and diming pieces of shit and a totally retarded foundation to boot
>Scores based on characters pulled
What kind of bugman retard would play this
Yes I'm actually mad

>>116175454
is it possible the open new shares to pay off the one leaving? Basically get more money to pay that, changing the ownership of that 90%

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>>116174485
Coming from a former Holo watcher; Cover, you get what you deserve.

>>116174659
We dont need anymore whores.

They took some wrong bets (like HoloEarth) and went with it, so obviously they would end up with a monerary problem. You can't milk your public and expect increasing profits forever, someday people get tired. Is the magic gone? Maybe...

>>116177025
If you sell 10% for X amount, then the 90% will defacto be worth 9X as much.
The public sale thing does work however, and is what they did, they just allowed the 90% holder to split up his share of the company into hundreds of pieces and sell them to anyone who wanted them. Of course the first people to buy were obviously Yagoo, the talents, and other employees using their personal money, but eventually that would run out and they'd need to open it up to the public market to get the rest of the money.
At this point in theory any of them could have taken out personal loans to buy up all the stock, but loans are specifically designed to have higher interest rates than the stock market otherwise there'd be no point to the bank giving them out, so taking out a loan to buy stocks is completely insane and pointless unless you're trying to pump and dump.

>>116177254
Not maybe. It's yes. Covid gave a boost to vtubing but it's also the biggest factor in why Vtubing is dying so fast right now

>>116174485
I wanna short squeeze covercorp like you wouldn't believe

>>116176329
>How to make stock go up according to investor:
Nice projection, retard.

luckily, as i've been told by holoCHADS, stocks don't matter unless they're going up

>>116178103
holoCHADS also said high profit is a sign of black company but it's good now that Cover is doing it

>>116175184
Hololive once had, not one, but TWO of the most superchatted livestreamers on YouTube

HUH
HUH
IT'S ALMOST LIKE
HUH
THEY SHOULD HAVE DEBUTED MORE TALENTS, INSTEAD OF LETTING ENTIRE BRANCHES ROT OFF, AND CHASING OUT LONGTIME MEMBERS WHO HAVE AUTISM LIKE AQUA AND SHION
HUH
HUH

LIKE AN ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY MAKES MONEY FROM ITS ENTERTAINERS
AND NOT FROM THE TECH
BECAUSE FAGOO NEVER INVESTED IN THE TECH TO MAKE IT A VIABLE TECH COMPANY
AND METAVERSE IS RETARDED

>>116174861
>What made their financial situation so dire?
HoloEarth

>>116178231
>t. Riku "Accelerate" Tazumi

>>116178103
It doesn't matter if they go up or down. Even if stocks value jump to 10K or drop to 1K tomorrow, talents will remain unaffected and the company will keep trucking on without giving a fuck

>>116174485
This is gura and Mumei's fault

>>116178231
>HEY SHOULD HAVE DEBUTED MORE TALENTS
b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but acceleration
>You dont have to watch everyon-
reeeeeee

>>116176065
>And for some reason it is just assumed that there's this disconnect between what "the evil investors" want and what the people want.
Investors are the way that Cover bootlickers can defend the company when Yagoo makes horrible decisions when in reality he is often the one making them. No one that owned shares of Cover was loudly demanding the idol company hire 500+ employees so they could shift focus to HoloEarth. That was Yagoo reading Facebook marketing bullshit and deciding that the Metaverse would be the next big thing and having a tech bro CEO carries some big negatives when Hololive is mostly selling entertainment.

>>116177022
>Maybe if Holodiri wasn't one of the most predatory nickle and diming pieces of shit
Anon that is by design and scummy gacha games is how they earn a huge amount of money. Of course that is also why so many of them have an end of life in only a year or two because that absolutely does burn out fans who get tired of the game acting like a gambling casino.

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Shareholders are just rent extraction.

>it goes up when the company does well, as in, delivers a good product to its customers
That should be how it works, but in reality number goes up when companies nickel and dime their customers in increasingly aggressive ways while simultaneously making the product worse to save on costs

>>116176599
>You're not actually considering the long term implications
Guess what? Neither do investors. They care about the immediate this-quarter-and-next. That's true whether they are a multi billion dollar investment firm or just some schmoe putting some money away.
Why don't they care about the long-term? Because if they see the stock drop they panic sell and move on. They're leeches and parasites with no interest at all in the long-term viability of anything because they jump ship instantly.

>>116178350
>Cover isn't at fault, everything is at fault!
kek

>>116174526
Wasn't gura the only lazy one? Everyone else went indie because they were up to their tits with the idol life, Chloe and rushia were terminated and the angel decided the wage cage was a better life.

>>116175017
You're not really "forced" to do so but the people who financed the company will eventually want some form of exit strategy. You can't sell your shares on a private company like you would for a public company so the company either goes public or they find another set of investors to buy you out, otherwise you can't convert your shares into actual money.

>>116176329
Cover's stock was valued at a certain point because they were betting on becoming a mainstream media conglomerate. Now that it's obviously clear that vtubing will never break out of niche status outside of fleeting viral moments the company is worth less than projected, it doesn't mean that it's "over" or anything, it just means that the previous stock price is now unjustifiable.

>>116178518
>like you would for a public company
That hasn't been exactly true for at least a decade, check out EquityZen.

>>116178363
This is because most companies do not pay dividends. It used to be most companies paid a dividend so you were seeing guaranteed returns for being invested in the market. hypothetically companies buying their own stock back, which creates a floor for the price is similar, but I've seen companies promise to spend 15 billion in buybacks and 6 months later have only spent about 5 billion because they're waiting for the price to go lower to buy more of their stock back.

>>116178572
Probably still too much of a novelty by the time Cover went public, and even now for that matter, to have mattered. But then again I am old and got my degree over a decade ago so I'm not fully up to date with this new stuff.

>>116174485
Covers problem will always be that the super successful girls will eventually realize they don’t need Cover and can keep the money train rolling in as an indie.

>>116174485
That's it. Hire 300 more employees

>>116174485
I blame holoearth

>>116174565
This is the only sensible post ITT.

Muh investors is just a cope for Yagoo's many, many terrible decisions.

>>116174485
Yagoo could just make a gacha and activate the infinite money glitch but instead him and everyone around him don't want to make a game that would enable the infinite money glitch.

>>116178913
>Yagoo could just make a gacha
He did

>>116178913
is Holodori not a gacha?

>nijiniggers dont know what a gacha is

>>116177230
Nene is a whore?

>>116176065
me line goes up me happy oogabooga

>>116175454
>some rich guy gives you a load of cash to start your company in exchange for owning half of it.

He paid the money company for preferred stock. No single VC owns more than 50%, that's rare. In total, at IPO, VCs typically own around 50-60%.
https://about.crunchbase.com/blog/venture-capitalist-percentage-ownership

>Now that the company has a lot of meony he wants to cash out. How are you going to pay him?

The company doesn't "owe" him money, it's not a loan. He gets money if he sells that stock to somebody. If the company's not public, the company's board has to sign-off on the sale, and they can force him to sell to someone else instead. He also gets money if the company decides to pay dividends, or if it dissolves/goes bankrupt. He can't force the company to dissolve, but he can try to convince other VCs to elect a board that would, if he can get more than 50% of them to believe him.

>>116178684
This. That is such a blackhole of an investment.

Why would I get invested in a gacha game when the characters are hanging out with holostars behind my back?

>>116174485
I always said pandering to yuritrannies was going to be the death of Hololive, and here it is.
They should have stuck with GFE, but the retarded unicorns hate themselves and would rather watch dykeslop, so Cover decided to go all in on pandering exclusively to them.

>>116179702
TRVKE

Turns out jp's high ccv means squat, huh? Bots don't pay after all

>>116174565
In other words, Holodori's profit was not ENOUGH profit.
It's hardly a failure to "offset the loss of revenue from graduating talents," because who graduated from Holo Pro from April 1 to Sept 30 of this year besides 6 members of Stars JP? Who graduated from July 1-Sept 30 of last year besides Nodoka? How much revenue were the seven of them pulling in from streaming and merch, that the loss of that revenue is a significant percentage of Holodori's revenue?

...for that matter, who graduated since July 1 of last year besides the seven of them plus Ao-kun?

>>116174565
What’s worse. A institution dumping hard or retail panic selling?

>>116179594
No, she's what EN should have been. GFE idol

The key takeaway here is that the Holoaudience isn't growing. Holodori only got the remaining audience to spend money on it than the actual talents.

EN losing 4 talents in tandem with the last EN gen being june 2024 probably hasnt helped

>>116176065
Cover investors famously hate the company for not giving them the extra profit. They literally want to extract whatever they can quickly like a parasite and leave the husk behind. That's all any investor is. Nobody wants to cash out their stocks and then the company to get ten times more successful. But stocks are worthless until you cash them out. Nobody thinks vtubing is a retirement plan. Investors want them to resurrect the corpses of graduates and milk those fans for money.

>>116176353
>bring mel back
I can't really fault you for wanting her to return; but if that were at all possible, then they wouldn't have fired her in the first place
>make a lewd subdivision
I also agree with this idea, but it's very unlikely that they'd be able to do it. Not impossible, but extremely difficult, for two reasons:
1. they're a company whose headquarters is in Japan, and whose shares are publicly traded on the Japanese stock market
2. a sizeable portion of their gross revenue is from customers who are paying for their superchats/merch/concert tickets/gacha pulls/etc. using credit or debit cards issued by Visa or Mastercard

>>116174714
Didn't you fags said that when Gura graduated too

>>116179863
Well I watched her and she is a whore. She wouldn't fit in HoloEN

Cover has been coasting on en's wind and finally took a nosedive after the merge and jp's preferential treatment. Jp talents's botted ccv sure looked good but sadly doesn't pay the bills

>>116176065
The most profitable company makes investors happy, but that does not equal to making the costumers happy.
From the electric energy you pay to games with an buttload of dlc/gacha, several companies making their service works on purpose to sell some "premium signature", or, in this case, making the girls probably do something they didn't want to do.

investors push their policies on everyone and make literally everything worse, is for that reason that people dredge the day Gabe Newell dies and steam go public, yet another thing to investors to ruin.

>>116175187
Pigsacky mad that Pigwhora is not the most popular Hololive member...

>>116176065
Dodge v. Ford

>>116175371
>in the red
But enough about HoloEN for it's entire time it existed

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>>116174485
Should've stuck to what worked.

Not enough Holobots

>>116176065
they're keeping holostars around
girls are aplenty. a few leaving is negligible

>>116174485
>I blame /vt/.
Me? But I did nothing.

>>116174526
It's OK, I have it on good authority their next EN gen will have at least one very hard working cute girl who does cute things.

>>116176727
They'd probably just set a high price for each girl to buy their IP, relative to how rich and popular each one was. Heck, they could even throw out an offer to graduated girls.

>>116176065
>And it goes up when the company does well, as in, delivers a good product to its customers.
You could pick the biggest anti communist off the streets, ask him this, and he would laugh at your face.
Come on anon.

>>116179745
Just hire girls that are already streamers that have a ton of paypi...oh right

>>116176353
>prop up the cgdct girls
>then tell them to collab with males

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>>116176065
Most investors don't even know where the fuck their money is going. They aren't invested in what the company does. They want to cut costs and milk content to maximize short term profits, they have no interest in "long term growth" because by then they will have sold the stocks and moved on to eat the next tree.
Stereotypes exist for a reason, right anon?

>>116181418
It's funny when that person wrote this hololive had far more lax rules and the majority of JP was homo collabing on the regular. If you think it got worse since then...

>>116179907
I'm kind of curious how the new EN gen or whatever they call it now will do when they debut. Is there still enough interest to pull in new eyes?

>>116183511
> when that person wrote this hololive had far more lax rules
Regarding what? Definitely not the public behavior of their talents.

>>116183647
What sort of public behavior are you talking about?

>>116183622
what new eyes? every new girl just competes for the same existing viewership while speaking more JP. the "EN" side (if it even exists) literally has the same problem other corpos had in the past - "how do you compete with Gawr Gura?" turns out Cover doesn't have an answer either.

>>116174485
BUY THE DIIIIPPPPP

>>116174485
>revenue from holodori has not been enough to offset the loss of revenue from graduating talents
How the fuck? I'm no number monkey, but I thought that game made 17 million in the first month or something.

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>>116179745
Damn. It's almost like they should have tried a bit harder to keep their talents. Could have been anyone's mistake though. It's basically rocket surgery trying to figure this out.

>>116186096
The revenue is split between Qualiarts, Google, Cover, and Apple if you play on Apple's devices

>>116186216
And even single digit millions per month would not be enough to offset it? I'm honestly kind of surprised.

>>116186203
Or actually get new ones and not have massive multi-year gaps between new vtubers

>>116187808
It's such an obvious solution I'm not sure why they waited so long when they keep debuting new JPs

>>116174526
CGDCT is dead in hololive. I just don't watch anyone in holo anymore.

>>116179745
Are these corpos genuinely stupid? Of course the amount of money you make is tied to your talent. Shit it'd be vaguely like that in most industries if the economy was actually meritocratic.

>>116178441
Sure thing Parrot.

>How to make Cover great again
Fire all the homos, effect immediately
>Okay, will you watch streams then?
Lol no

>>116179702
KEK

B-but /#/ told me holodori was THE biggest gacha game in the market? They told me it's bigger than anything Mihoyo made ever???

>>116174485
>Waste 10 billion yen on Holoearth, a piece of shit slop Meta chat room
>Waste hundreds of millions of yen on the Homos over the course of 5+ years
>Force your talents to stop streaming, the one thing that brings in fans, so they can shill merch and spend months in the studio
Huh…. I wonder what happened?

>>116174861
It seems like Cover has never truly invested in developing their talents professionally beyond standard streaming. Ten years in, their strategy is hiring random streamers with no real direction, which has naturally led to scandal after scandal. While an early misstep like the Coco is understandable for a growing startup, major controversies like the Rushia are unacceptable. It raises serious questions about their vetting process when hires like Fauna come with obvious red flags. Cover it’s run by amateurs playing business.

>>116192020
It’s the opposite.
They gained massively popularity due to being cute anime girl streamers. Cover then decided to neglect streaming in exchange for concerts and merch shilling. Then didn’t understand why all the fans left.

>>116192066
That was the right call, but the girls were completely ill-prepared. At one point, Hololive had mini-brands ready to explode like Korone or Pekora and did nothing with them. They barely capitalized on Calli either, despite having the opportunity to build a legitimate music career for her. The worst part is that none of them crossed over into mainstream influencer spaces, even though that was the lowest-hanging fruit. The girls just kept streaming for years, and honestly, what else could they do at this point? Keep replaying the same games and telling the same old jokes? If there's no real difference between Hololive and indies, I'd rather just watch Shondo.

>>116174485
too much preferential treatment for the blue leech now looks what happened

>>116192066
This

>>116192232
>”That was the right call”
You’d fit right in with the other clueless boomer executives at Cover. Quick let me ask, what would you think about a $200 million dollar Meta style chat rooom?

I thought anons would be discussing and correcting shits here, but apparently more than half of the threads are retards who are acting as if Cover is dying when they, in fact, just got significantly more profit YoY last quarter while their revenue stabilized

>>116192444
I want streams not "record breaking profits"
>but sir... what about le stock? le investors?
BURN IT DOWN
TEAR IT DOWN

>>116192657
Most of the girls don't want to be just streamers, or they would've done so. No one is stopping them. Go and watch those who want to stream.
Regardless, streaming isn't what this thread is about anyway.

>>116192708
What a convenient way to avoid talking about the elephant in the room

>>116176353
>spoiler
It's really sad how her being forced to leave quick-started something awful.

>>116192657
unlike stocks, profits have nothing to do with cover's investors

>>116188022
fuwawa still kinda gets it

>>116192743
What elephant in the room? Hololive is still the biggest and most successful VTuber group, and my oshi is happy + getting a sololive in less than a month.
>b-but muh streams
Again, if you just want streams, go and watch those who only stream. Many girls are ambitious and want to be more than just one of countless streamers around

>>116192390
It’s a basic trickle-down effect where the top earners subsidize the smaller talents, much like how professional sports teams operate. If Cover relies on a few major cash cows to generate revenue through image rights and merch, they can afford to let smaller talents dedicate their time to streaming. You simply can't have it all. I don't know what went wrong, because at one point I genuinely thought Pekora was going to end up on cereal boxes. That went nowhere.

>>116192892
Hololive is as "mainstream" in Japan as streamers can get. Thing is, streamers aren't actually mainnstream when it come to normie stuffs, that's why, the moment they are set for life, many holo members stopped wanting to be just streamers

>>116193012
Again, that's logical, but Cover failed to promoted to transcend beyond the niche and that's why they're in deep shit now. If they had five mainstream girls. They could have enough money to debut more gens. That's my point. You have to break some eggs etc.

>>116193012
>anon has zero clue about japan as usual

>>116193253
They actually don't. Or more accurately, they didn't have enough resources to provide proper support for more gens - not monetary, mind you, but more in line of facilities and staffs. Cover doesn't want to just debut new members only to abandon them if they fail to be successful
I.e: Kanata said how managers have to take care of multiple members, with one manager having to deal with 3 members even though, ideally, one member should have multiple managers instead. Recruiting hundred new managers isn't as simple as throwing money at it.

>>116174485
don't care, left the holo bubble after gura left. started watching phase and indies and have been enjoying it so far. reminds me of holo before (((blackrock))) killed the magic

>>116174485
don't care, still watching holo and honorary holo indies.

>>116193012
No they're not.
>But Budokan!
>But Yokohama Arena!
>But K-Arena!
Concerts are impressive, but mainstream is shit like VIVANT where everybody's talking online and on the streets. Go ahead and ask whoever you know that you'd define as someone in touch with the mainstream "do you know who filled out [large country stadium in home country] recently?" and they'd probably think you're talking about a sports team.

>>116174485
Nigga stop blaming the graduated talents, yes, there was a graduation wave, but so what? You still have plenty of talents left. If you can't make ends meet with them, the problem is yours

>>116192232
>They barely capitalized on Calli either,
Nobody on /vt/ calls Mori "Calli".
>I'd rather just watch Shondo.
Disgusting.

>>116174485
low share cost is good for cover
they can recover the shares they sold to fund their studio at a lower price

>>116174485
It took me way too long to realize that Kay Yu didn't actually have something else to do but Cover quietly axed him because Holocure could not exist in the same space as Holodori

>>116179745
So basically their failure is the success of the individual girls? Isn't that fine? As long as profit is tied to them that means they still have bargaining tools to tell them to fuck off when they are pressured

>>116194674
Kay Yu has a real job that pays far FAR more than COVER would have

>>116192837
>Many girls are ambitious and want to be more than just one of countless streamers
And I want to be a billionaire playboy. Fact is that's what they are. Dumping Cover's and personal money on MVs that don't reach a million views and sololives that barely sell out (or don't, even Suisei struggled with her last tour) won't make them "more than regular streamers".

>>116176065
>I never understand why people like this think investors are this ominous third party that stands separately from customer and company.
Because they fucking are, the shareholder see consumer and company as their enemy since their only objective is to leech as much money as possible regardless of how much damage it causes.
Shareholder supremacy, and its consequences, have been a disaster for humanity

>>116195629
>that barely sell out
barely selling out is still selling out....

>>116195995
Barely selling out is when retards like baecord buy more than they need and can't get rid of them even for free. Doesn't make a difference for cover's financials but isn't a sign of their growing popularity and breaking into mainstream either.

>>116178103
Tell me how stocks matter when the persons holding majority voting power are all from cover? It's like some retard buying 1 share and think they own the company, why don't you get a seat on the board first before screaming "you work for me"

>>116179830
Isn't it more like they lost the merch revenue of 12 talents because they downsized StarsJP? They were putting merch out several times a year through animate.

>>116176065
>as in, delivers a good product to its customers
I was with you until that point. No, investors getting their pay back [from a company doing well] does not always equate to a better product.

Pleasing investors means doing crap like taking on more sponsors (and not for good shit your customers might actually be interested in but for shit that isn't selling any other way but they pay well for it…)

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>>116196478
So Nintendo shareholders do care about the future of video games, except for some retard that was told to fuck off?

>>116196358
If you can prove to investors that the better product is better because it's popular and makes the stock go up then they will be pleased

>>116195848
Intentionally destroying the thing that makes money makes sense how? Now human incompetence is of course a thing, but you can't say it's in their own best interest to hurt the company they own

>>116183391
What does this have to do with communism? Shouldn't a board of people be more in line with what communists want than a single central leader?

>>116180291
Yes, but that wouldn't be ruined by the "investor" boogeyman, but just in general because the core visionary at its heart that directed the company and made it what it is, left. It would be ruined by any other person, unless maybe if he had a son with a personal interest in maintaining the integrity of his dad's work.
You need innovators, visionaries, directors that personally lead and own a business with concrete intention to a goal. Once it changes hands to people not personally bound to it, especially a group, the business necessarily degrades in how much it is cared for.

>>116196848
The best and fastest way to make shareholders happy is to fire everyone, liquidate the company, and give the profits away as dividends. Shareholders don't give a single fuck about the company, it's just an investment, when the company goes under they'll just invest in something else.
It's actually far better for them to invest in a train of imploding suicidal flops that pay out as much as possible as fast as possible than to hold long term for moderate profits.
It's just like natural selection, there's an infinite amount of free food all over the pace, why would you ever kill and eat people? Because it's way more efficient to eat meat than grass.

>>116197029
Ok, but if you leave people alive you can actually farm cows together which produce much more meat, which is also higher quality and less likely to cause disease.
As in, you can have a steady income that's much more profitable if the company does well in general. Not that "liquidating a company and giving away the profits" is something a manager just wants to do anyway, you know, end their job and future like that.
And to say that "shareholders don't give a fuck about the company" is just definitionally false. Think about what you're actually saying here. "SHAREholders" don't care about the things they own? Yes they do, they could lose everything they own in it if the stock price plummets, they aren't just sitting there with no risk, they own a stake in the company which they are interested to not lose. An investment is intrinsically a risk taking itself.
They don't go under only because they diversified, but they still lose a lot if the company plummets, so they are very much not interested in having that happen.

Also like >>116178315 said, a lot of these decisions seem to stem from Yagoo. Because he's fundamentally not an entertainment promoter, but a tech bro.

>>116197348
It is smarter for long-term health (of the investment, of the company, of the world even), yes.
BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT INVESTORS AND SHAREHOLDERS ARE THINKING ABOUT.
Yes, they are fucking stupid in a wider context but they're NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE WIDER CONTEXT.
Their selfish decisions benefit themselves. >Fuck you, I gave you money now pay even if you have to kill the company to do it.

>>116197846
Seems like an ineffective strategy to actually be a successful investor. You actually do need to consider the contexts of companies for that, that's what the most successful investors like Warren Buffet do.
But there's of course always human incomptence at play, which this is, both by investors, managers, any decision maker involved

>>116174485
?

>>116198469
>that's what the most successful investors like Warren Buffet do
Nta, but the vast majority of investors are not that successful. You even said so yourself by saying that anyone can become an investor. I can assure you, after years of dabbling in this stuff, an average "investor" sees investing the same way you and me see gambling.

>>116192444
No actual Hololive fans remain here. It’s just phase brownoids and antis.

>>116200301
rent free

>>116176813
>>116177040
/thread

>>116200459
As one myself (just not brown), I must say we are certainly almost the majority /here/. It's just funny.

>>116179830
You're looking at this the wrong way. Very little revenue was lost because there weren't actually that many impactful graduations, despite this the profit from holodori is so crappy it doesn't even make up for that

>>116175674
>GPO objects deployed to user's hardware via your AD domain controller
kek this dood still has a classic onprem domain

>>116181575
that's called malicious indifference
it's basically financial terrorism

>>116191257
>Waste hundreds of millions of yen on the Homos over the course of 5+ years
by the time homo branch is fully shut down, it will be well above 1billion ¥.
it already is in multiple billions if we're counting opportunity costs tbdesu

>>116176065
Anon... Don't even try to be rational here. Most people in this place have absolutely no idea how economics works. To them, if you make a lot of money, own a business, or are an investor, you're automatically a bad person. Most of the replies here demonstrate exactly that. They've all been infected with a socialist mindset

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>>116174499
umm....based?

>>116174728
days since last livestream?