Hypothetical.A demon and angel arrive at the crossroads, both say their piece and offer you a deal.The angel says they believe reincarnation and suffering are divine privileges, because they lead to growth. Peace is stagnation, and stagnation is death. They believe what's best for you long-term is to be in a recursive state of amnesia and agony, so you can grow strong until you're ready to serve their purpose too. They believe all your human ambitions are very roach-like; the idea of living forever, having sex, and even finding peace (nirvana) is repulsive to them. The angel tells you, "You are ready my son. Your suffering has hardened your heart against darkness, and now you're ready to fight it." His offer is that you have your personality erased to make way for orders directly from God, and serve as a thrall weapon of heaven. In your new form, you will get the privilege of acting as a missionary; bestowing glorious purpose on the unsuspecting SAVAGES of the cosmos, those who are so pitifully devoid of it.The demon says they believe you should be free to chase your ambitions. They believe reincarnation is pointless cruelty, and that all goals are ultimately pointless long-term. They offer you a simulation where you can explore any fantasy you want, with absolute agency, for eternity. To give you some inspiration you could:>return to a time in your life with cheats>live as chad>create worlds, play god>explore theoretical media, fiction, non-fiction (IE videogames but vaguely stated "if they were better", movies with different directors, different actors. Jurassic park if dinosaurs were real/animal actors, etc.)>even live shitty lives, if you so wishWhich deal are you taking?
I'll choose making a threesome with the angel and demon
>>42425735>HypotheticalAnd utterly useless at that.
>>42425735>Which deal are you taking?ok so you could have poop or cake they both fake and gay but one is poop the other is cake i mean come on anon we all going demon mode if demon=cake angel=poop
>>42425763It's true and straight actuallyGo watch some NDE's
>>42425778i have and ive done a tone of psychedelics the message i and others get is I Ambut theres a lot of stuff out there that says all sorts of shit
>>42425847I believe it's all equally meaningless. When given the option to wageslave to your annihilation or have fun in a simulated sandbox toward your annihilation, I would choose the latter. It would all be reset anyways, for different reasons and in different ways. The only difference between is the journey. What's important is what you're hearing and from who. Real angels genuinely believe what I said they did. They will get a bit riled up from all the TRVKE's dropped here, their jimmies in an uncharacteristic rustle.They are fucking evil dude. I can't sugarcoat it. They are the reason someone, somewhere is drinking themselves to death right now. More and more will come out, and only the discerning will join that someone, the rest will be singing g-ds praises and jumping like dogs at the prospect of forcing this "gift", this "soulschool" on more people out there.
I walk away from both.
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Angels and demons aren't real, and both of these are better offers than anything you will ever get.
>>42426060true, wrongIt will be feeling the warmth of my world burning, knowing every "angel" and "demon" are ash, which I will settle for.
>>42425735>have your personality erasedessentially death. I'll get that anyway with time, no thanks.>simulationI'd accept this if I was at the end of my current life.If I had to choose one and had to choose it immediately, I would pick the demon.
>>42425735Is this what truly happens in the afterlife? Then, shouldn't everyone choose to suffer for heaven? Isn't hard justice and truth preferable over comfortable life and lie everytime?
I did this and I did choose the angelic path. (3rd road) I know I have suffered and I am hardened against darkness. I'm ready for my highest self to stop being mean to me and lets get the show on the road again. I love the spotlight.
>>42426138They wouldn't be choosing, you would be forcing that choice on them. You're lost.
>>42426434contThe men women and children of the universe would be reduced to "savages" in your mind, because they don't follow your ideals. You might rationalize it as them having no purpose if they aren't serving God. What is God to you?I'm sure it's a lie, just like the word "angel" or "demon" or "our dear leader" or "baby eating american soldier". All lies.I hope after fate takes them and you regain yourself that you look back on this.
>>42426470Tell that to those who sacrifice children to devils and molochs. Sometime, angels need to fight to protect.>What is God to you?Truth. Love so strong it burns resistance like fire. Once united to Him you are happy through love and purpose.He is the difference between imperfection and perfection, the missing link between humanity and a higher state, meaning through Him we are protected from despair, ego, delusion, and hatred.
>>42426819devil, moloch, god, masks for the same entity. Why do you think we were born here, in the heart of it?So he could use his own creations to liberate his own creations from his own creations? Do you truly believe that shit?The truth is often disappointing or boring, and sometimes we only believe it through fear. I think there are a few North Koreans who genuinely believes kim jong un is Jesus Christ and doesn't have a butthole, but they are outnumbered by fearful people who nod to everything he says. I don't know which camp you fall into, but I could hazard a guess it's closer to "please don't raze my fields again, lord gigachad"."Angels" are the ones who release "demons" and parasites onto you. They let them latch onto you and ruin your incarnation, suck out everything that made you unique when you were born, they want you to call for their help. They will not help you until you submit that you are worthless and should do everything they say. This is not a place of rehabilitation, but of preparation for servitude.
>>42426119Amnesia sufferer here. Losing your memories isn't death. You are still you, even without memory formation and retention.
>>42425735I'd chose the demon, as long as the simulation felt super real.What the Angel says makes no sense. If truly am so weak, so insect like in mind and soul, then for what purpose would it be to even ask me this? Its like asking a toddler to decide a complex decision that'd impact every life ever when the toddler can barely even talk. If the Angel is unable to explain in a way I can easily understand why its so grand and great to do any of the things he says, why should I care? Why even allow me the choice if the logic of it feels so dumb. "Child you are to dumb to understand so forget all you know and try again", doesn't even make sense in my dumb roach mind at all. If he truly wanted me to serve him and be this best person he'd never have given me the choice. So in my eyes he's the retard. And in the end if what the Angel said was true, then after ages in the fantasy I'd want to go back to him anyway.There's zero downside to what the demon offers. The only reason people would say no is because "but god wants me to do the other one!!" with no real understanding of what it means just a fear of punishment.
>>42425735They're both demons.>>42426150Are you an angel?
>>42426870So, from your framework and OP dilemma, that means we instead need to live in a false reality, that is a simulation/samsara, enjoying fantasies forever?
>>42425743that demon is finna fuck you in your ass, brahno cap (fr fr)
>>42427000I think both are equally as meaningless, but one has subjective meaning, whereas the other insists on its own subjective meaning.Could universal domination be reasoned as "good and meaningful"? Maybe. It would probably solve a lot of problems, like hunger, war. It would also extinguish entire peoples and histories, often painfully and slowly.Could a simulation that isn't shit, be reasoned as "good and meaningful"? Easily, you could experience all and more, including learning experiences. The only real downside is it would make a loud majority bitch about stagnation and lack of meaning, and they would probably torture you for even wanting it, believing themselves doing you a service. It's a dilemma of "yield to others or yield to yourself". All meaning is subjective, you do you; but do not demand I do you too. To some species, the beautiful music of an empire is just loud noise. My roach ears only hear the screams.
>>42427049The problem is the simulation is not real by its nature. It's a downgrade in essence from true reality. That is, from truth. If one considers truth to be related to the highest origin point of the universe, perfection and a state where entropy didn't exist, it would mean truth is linked to good. Therefore, the more you delve inside a simulation, the further from truth and good you god. That's what the christians call God the Father, and what the gnostics call the Monad. That's why these frameworks consider it necessary to go back there, because truth is linked to good and is opposite to this universe, entropy, and death.And you speak of a majority, yet the majority today seems clearly content with intoxicating itself with all kinds of escapes analogous to a simulation, virtual reality being only one among many.
kill them both, different sides same coin
>>42426889Reincarnation is ego death. You retain nothing nothing. Nothing. Reincarnation is actually pointless from a logical standpoint.
>>42427124not if you put safeguards in place before moron
1v2 these fuckers, drink their blood and eat their organs
>>42427124it's only the lowest part of your soul that gets made anew each time. your life is still integrated into your higher parts which guide and shape your next incarnation. it's a very muddled communication path, very limited in what sorts of things can pass down through the spheres and what can pass back up, unless and until you learn to start widening those channels from the mortal end
>>42425735Neither, as they both sound like demons and you're terrible at role-playing an angel of God for a hypothetical.Here's a question:>you go to the crossroads and two demons show up>which one did OP suck off first
Fuck picking what to pack for lunch at work that won't give acid reflux is moar then enough bullshit for one day, now got to makes hypothetical decisions based on that demon boss that keeps me paid and the angle that help me unwind.Sheeeiiiit.
>>42425735I take my own deal.
I'm just going to look at them like they're customer service morons and start saying "Operator" like an even bigger moron until their IVR system gives up.
>>42425735Nether offer can be true.A divine will would be able to make changes as it sees fit either unbeknown to me or if in conflict, certainly override mine. The demon by nature is a deceiver and so cannot be trusted to deliver on anything offered as expected.Besides, the crossroads is at Highway 51 which runs from the western suburbs of New Orleans, Louisiana, to within 150 feet of the Wisconsin-Michigan state line. Though Lilith and not the devil meets you there at midnight.
