If you wish to defeat the "demiurge", you need to first realize that gnosticism and similar beliefs are lies created by the devil so that you forfeit salvation.It makes perfect logical sense that:1. We are creatures, created by a Creator.2. The Creator of the Universe is omnibenevolent (all-good, all-loving).3. We live in an evil world and humanity has a corrupt nature because of The Fall (humanity rejected God and chose evil, which it continues to still do).4. God has given us a way to reconcile with Him through Jesus Christ.But we need to make the free will choice to unite ourselves to Him by living according to the Scriptures. The Bible warns us that if we reject the only way to be saved we will die an eternal death in hell. Since God is just and lawful, He must punish evil. Lawlessness (disobeying God's perfect laws) is evil. Please try to understand this instead of relying on your own flawed and corrupt human mind."There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death." (Proverbs 14:12, ESV)
What's really sad is that if you ask these gnostics (or whatever they wish to call themselves) how you defeat the demiurge and "ascend" from this world to escape his grasp, they will give a meaningless answer where they'll claim you need to attain "gnosis", even though they cannot even explain what that really means. They're basically deceiving themselves into believing they can somehow be their own god and somehow become wise and powerful, even though they can't even stop themselves from getting a cold or headache. They're basically atheists really, and pseudo-spiritual at best."Although they claim to be wise, they have become fools" (Romans 1:22, EHV)
Jesus is exactly who the Bible says He is."Jesus said to him, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through Me." (John 14:6, EHV)He wasn't merely a teacher. He didn't come to tell us that we're somehow divine or can become divine (the gnostic lie). The Word of God tells us that humanity through Adam and Eve rebelled against God by disobeying Him and essentially choosing to exalt the devil as their god. That's why the world is so full of suffering and evil and demonic oppression - the devil is the ruler of this world, and it's because humanity chose him as god over the one true God. Just look at how most of humanity *continues* to reject God because they would rather sin and believe in falsehoods so that they can continue sinning."We know that we are from God and that the whole world lies in the grip of the Evil One." (1 John 5:19, EHV)
>>42428331>The Creator of the Universe is omnibenevolent (all-good, all-loving)>creates the world with evil, death, war, diseases, desasters, demons, hell>humanity rejected God and chose evil>God gets mad>We live in an evil world>demons win>It makes perfect logical senseDoes it...
>>42428392The world was good before The Fall. Humanity chose evil and to believe the devil's lies over God's truth. Look at how to this very day, humanity chooses to do that.And the devil and his minions have not won since Jesus won the victory for us by overcoming this world and death itself. But we must choose to follow Him if we want to share in that victory."“I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”" (John 16:33, NIV)
Some may I ask, "why should I believe some religious book? How can I know it's really the truth?"You can find out for yourself that the Bible is the truth by repenting of your sins, asking God for forgiveness, and making Jesus Christ the Lord of your life. He will help transform you for the better.And then there's all of the amazing testimonies by others who have been saved by the Lord:https://www.youtube.com/@TouchingTheAfterlife/videos
>yet another christcuck spam thread>the solution is..>groveling to the demiurge>worshiping jewish rabbis>believing an erroneous jewish book with failed prophecieslmao
>>42428397who created things this way? hmm?willfully ignorant golem who will get destroyed like the corrupt material god he worships
>>42428331The demiurge is ego's projection of itself as God which dissolves in self-knowledgeWorship of God by faith, hope, and charity can lead to self-knowledge if done to a heroic degree
>>42428406This reply very obviously attempts to fool people into believing that God is not good, and that if you become Christian, you're somehow doing what "the jews" want, even though religious jews reject Christianity and call it idolatry.And regarding prophecies:The Bible’s divine authorship is evidenced by highly specific historical fulfillments, such as the rise and fall of global empires predicted in Daniel, the precise destruction and isolation of the city of Tyre described in Ezekiel, and the regathering of the Jewish people after millennia of dispersion. Most significantly, the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ were foretold in detail through Old Testament imagery and prophecy—including His birth in Bethlehem and the specific manner of His crucifixion—centuries before these events occurred, demonstrating that God is the sovereign architect of history.
>>42428410You're ignoring the clear explanation given. God did not create automatons without free will. Humanity chose, and still chooses evil, and God must punish evil.And what is that strange threat that you're making? What is your belief system exactly? Who is the one true God according to you? Your reply just seems like a satanic inversion."He will give justice with blazing fire to those who don’t recognize God and don’t obey the good news of our Lord Jesus. They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction away from the Lord’s presence and away from His mighty glory." (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, CEB)
>>42428397>The world was good before The FallIf evil could happen in the world - and God knew that and did nothing to prevent it - it wasn't a good world.An almighty creator should be able to create a world with no evil.>but free willIs good for what? To let the world become a mess? What is that good for? If God would have created all souls as saints, they would all choose the light and the world would be paradise. But when he created a lot of sinners, he knew where that will end.The evil world is Gods design, face it. He can't blame his creatures, fallen anges and fallen humans, because he made them.
>>42428420What is this "self-knowledge" that you're referring to? Can you elaborate?Here's an informative video by a former New Ager that those who believe in gnostic lies should watch:"Christ Consciousness" Debunked By Jesus"In this video we will look at how the idea of Christ Consciousness is not only a false philosophy, it was warned of specifically by Jesus as a sign of the end times in the New Testament. In this video, we do a Bible study showing why this false gnostic theology does not reflect the teachings of Jesus. Don't be deceived by this false teaching of the New Age movement."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjvGYwU6Y6I
>>42428425blah blah blah jew apologetics>>42428433does your jewgod have free will? isn't he without sin?lmao. simple logic exercises destroys your inversion of reality
>>42428451Self-knowledge is intransitive knowledge or awareness that is not aware of anything, neither objects nor attributes, other than itself. God being nominally defined ipsum esse subsistens (cf exodus 3:14), the beatific vision is really identical to self-knowledge, though subjectively it admits of degrees, whereas in itself it is absolutely unlimited. This is not what new agers like to call "christ concsiousness" or the belief that we are all the same person, not did Jesus ever teach anything like that.
>>42428441God in the beginning created a good world with no suffering, but if humanity is forced to only choose God, then He would be forcing them to love Him and they wouldn't have free will (which would make them mere puppets without true will and a mind of their own), and His own love and power wouldn't be genuine anymore.As we know, even angels in heaven were able to reject God, which led to the fall of Lucifer and his rebel angels."I call on heaven and earth as witnesses today that I have offered you life or death, blessings or curses. Choose life so that you and your descendants will live." (Deuteronomy 30:19, NOG)
you are talking to a retarded christian bot
>>42428484I can understand that you have a desire to defend the doctrine you (want to) believe in. But it just doesn't work. If God made everything, he's responsible for everything, it's that simple. It doesn't make sense to say that God created only good, and then evil somehow just happend because some angels and some humans were not good enough. If they were not good enough it's because God made them not good enough.All the christian claims are basically acceptable, that God is the creator, that he's omnipotent, that he's omnicient, that he's the only God - ok...just you have to accept that he created both, good and evil, and is therefore not only-good. You have to be realistic here, even if it's hard for you.
>>42428504evil has no being
>>42428455God is the perfect Creator of the Universe, it makes sense that He's not able to sin. Your argument is as dim as asking, "if god exists then who created him".>>42428476The Bible never emphasizes "self-knowledge" as the goal of the Christian life. The goal is repentance and conformity to the image of Christ. Whenever someone starts talking about "intransitive awareness" or "self-knowledge", they are usually trying to find a clever way to keep the "self" involved and satisfied in the process. Real Christianity isn’t about attaining a state of "pure consciousness". It is about a fallen rebel being justified by blood and restored to a Master. You seem to be trying to turn the relationship with a personal God into a philosophical meditation. Is this an intellectual exercise for the prideful mind to feel like it’s "above" basic Christian faith?>>42428504God gave us the choice to choose good (God) or to choose evil (the devil). You're ignoring the explanation that God would not be good nor loving nor all-powerful if He forced us to only choose Him. Adam and Eve and the angels were living in a good world/heaven, but they knowingly, consciously chose evil. In the case of humanity, they essentially even called God a liar, even though He warned them that if they eat from that tree, they will die. It's not about them "not being good enough", as if there was some kind of weakness they were suffering from.
>>42428524Jesus said, "Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God." The quest for self-knowledge excludes every kind of philosophical meditation, actually it is a matter of totally entrusting everything to God at every moment. The language I use here is only to meet certain individuals where they presently stand. Neo-gnosticism takes a symbolic discourse, which was originally intended only to be understood, and treats it as an object of belief. There they remain trapped, which is an irony. A simple life of pious devotion would ultimately avoid the Saturnine "deceit that lies in ambush" (Poimandres 25).
The argument that God is responsible for evil because He created the capacity for it rests on a logical trap. If God created us as puppets forced to ‘choose’ only good, our love would be a programmed, mechanical reaction, not a genuine act of will. A world where true love exists requires the possibility of its opposite: true rejection. Suffering and evil are not God’s ‘design’—they are the inevitable consequences of creatures willfully choosing to rebel against their Creator. To blame the Creator for the creature’s choice to commit treason is a desperate attempt to evade personal accountability and the necessity of repentance."“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”" (Matthew 3:2, ESV)
>>42428555True cleanness of heart is not a result of "self-knowledge" or any philosophical approach, however complex. It is the result of what Christ did on the Cross to wash us of our sins. The Apostles didn’t go around teaching "self-knowledge" or reinterpreting pagan symbols; they preached "repent and believe". Using esoteric or gnostic terminology to explain the Gospel only confuses the simple truth of the Cross and risks elevating the intellect above the humble act of repentance. Why add layers of philosophy where Christ simply demands obedience?"However, I’m afraid that as the snake deceived Eve by its tricks, so your minds may somehow be lured away from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ." (2 Corinthians 11:3, NOG)Christ explicitly states that the truth of God is hidden from the "wise" (those who rely on their own intellect) and revealed to those with the simple, humble faith of a child:"At that time Jesus declared, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children" (Matthew 11:25, ESV)
>>42428331>. The Creator of the Universe is omnibenevolent (all-good, all-loving).Is this why he allows devil to rule this world?And i am not even talking about suffering of innocents like children or animals, so why he allows their suffering?
>>42428577>Why add layers of philosophy where Christ simply demands obedience?Different doctrines are proposed according to the different degrees of spiritual maturity among aspirants. When the soul is ripe, very little needs to be said, but for others the truth is too simple. All revelation is God's own condescension to the weakness, ignorance, and malice of His wayward creatures. Also when the Israelites demanded a king, although the prophets warned them of the consequences, God gave them one. Such is philosophy. You should always accept that which is really beneficial to your spirit and allow God to take care of the rest; He knows best.
>>42428331I wish you retards would stop shitting up the catalog with these threads. Jannies need to intervene.
>>42428587You should read the posts so far, dear friend. I've explained why.God created a perfect world, but the first people He created chose to disobey Him and do things their own way. By turning away from God—who is the only source of goodness and life—they let sin and death into the world. Now, because humanity continues to choose to disobey God, there is evil and suffering. God sent His Son, Jesus, to rescue us from this mess, but He doesn’t force us to love Him; He gives us the choice to turn back and follow Him instead."“For God loved the world so much that He gave His only Son. God gave His Son so that whoever believes in Him may not be lost, but have eternal life. God did not send His Son into the world to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through Him." (John 3:16-17, ICB)That sets the stakes: the choice of belief in Him results in life, while the alternative is perishing.
>>42428425>official history fulfillmentsOnly filthy children of satan care about official history.So enjoy feeling of being "right" in hell, your "right" views will surely help you there...
>>42428451>Here's an slop video by a former New Ager that those who believe in gnostic lies should watch:No one is going to watch your slop, jeet shill, keep to to yourself, piece of shit.
>>42428594Is this an "esoteric superiority" tactic? Are you attempting to frame the Gospel as a "starter pack" for the spiritually immature, while your philosophical "wisdom" is for those who are "ripe"? Isn't that a direct contradiction of Christ’s teaching that the truth is revealed to little children and hidden from the "wise and understanding"?Jesus calls for simple obedience, not for us to spend our lives mastering complex theories. Paul, perhaps the most intellectual of the Apostles, intentionally stripped away all "lofty speech" when presenting the core of the faith:"And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified." (1 Corinthians 2:1–2, ESV)
>>42428561Just why would i love entity that allows so much darkness, evil and suffering of innocents?
>>42428524>God is the perfect Creator of the UniverseAnd this is why the universe is imperfect, because of perfrction
>>42428425It is not good or just to allow evil and suffering of innocents.
>>42428624>saul the agent of phariseeic sanhredin, perhaps the most intellectual of the Apostles
>>42428597>the source of goodness allows devil to rule the world
>>42428495>>42428596>>42428610>>42428621All you're really saying is that anyone who looks at facts or believes in the truth of the Gospel is somehow aligning themselves with the devil, which is an inversion of the truth.Notice how replies like these never argue what the actual truth is or how to be saved, they just try to stop you from thinking and looking at evidence that supports the truth."The entirety of Your word is truth,And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever."(Psalm 119:160, NKJV)
>>42428331Hello, "Truth Warrior." Still running away from the question of which denomination is correct? Let's resume our debate, shall we?
>>42428597>God created a perfect world, but the first people He created chose to disobey Him and do things their own wayYou literally contradict yourself, perfection cannot choose imperfection.
>>42428624The "little children" of whom Christ speaks are the same as those that I call ripe, who understand very much after hearing very little. The "wise and understanding" are those who demand all kinds of clarification because things are not already as clear to them as they would be to a child. Strangely enough, in this world that draws everything down to the material, there are those who assert that everything spiritual should be confined there, and that anything beyond what their own overly sophisticated mind can comprehend ought to be rejected as a diabolical deception. "Woe unto you lawyers," our Lord said of them, "for you have taken away the key of knowledge ['gnosis' in Luke's Greek]: you yourselves have not entered in, and those that were entering in, you hindered." Should I call their polemics "exoteric superiority" tactics?
>>42428628>>42428630>>42428634>>42428650Evil and suffering exist because humanity turned away from God, who is the source of all life and goodness, to follow our own path instead. We can see the consequences of that choice throughout the world all the time.>>42428641Saul began as a fierce enemy who persecuted Christians, but he became Paul, the Apostle who dedicated his life to spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ.In this verse, St. Paul identifies Satan as the “god of this world,” highlighting his role in deceiving those who reject the truth:"In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." (2 Corinthians 4:4, ESV)Please don't allow yourself to be deceived. Your eternal soul is at stake.
>>42428661Not going to reply to me? It's amazing how someone who was the "Sword of Whatever," the "Shield of Faith" and now "Truth Warrior" is such a huge coward.
>>42428651>the official narrative on history is truthThe filthy children of satan can't help themselves...
>>42428331>But we need to make the free will choice to unite ourselves to Him by living according to the Scriptures. Can i make free will choice of rejecting exitence or afterlife ive never consented and adked for? Or free will is not so free?>Since God is just and lawful, He must punish evil. It is not just to allow devil to rule this world, it is not just to allow the suffering of innocents.
>>42428680>It is not just to allow devil to rule this world, it is not just to allow the suffering of innocents.Yeah, God's justice is pretty self-serving in most conceptions. Fail to obey fruit regulations? You must suffer right now and all your children and their children must suffer until judgement day. Literally rebel against God Almighty with full knowledge and then vow to spend eternity spiting Him? No need to punish you until later, maybe you should trying ruling the material world for a while.
>>42428653Why do you even ask that since you've made it clear in previous threads that you reject God and the truth? I have seen evidence of people being saved and blessed in all three of the major branches of Christianity (Protestantism, Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy). >>42428656A thing is only truly perfect if it has the freedom to choose, because a machine that cannot say "no" is not a person capable of real love.>>42428657Do you deny that Christ taught the truth is found in simple obedience to Him though?
>>42428688>Do you deny that Christ taught the truth is found in simple obedience to Him though?No, I have affirmed it several times ITT.
>>42428433Nice masonic dubs>God did not create automatons without free will.So is this why i can't make free will choice of rejecting exitence or afterlife ive never consented and asked for? Nice "free" will you got there.
>>42428688>A thing is only truly perfect if it has the freedom to chooseI cannot choose to reject my own existence, the immortality of my soul or afterlife. So nice "freedom" to choose you got there.
>>42428671The important thing isn’t sorting through every single group that calls itself Christian, but going directly to the Source; Jesus promised that anyone who honestly seeks the truth and follows His teachings will find the way to God.>>42428676You're not presenting any kind of argument, you're just name-calling. Can you tell us what the truth is?>>42428680God is currently being patient and giving people time to choose Him, but He will eventually make everything right by judging all evil and ending suffering forever.>>42428685God is not playing games for His own benefit; He is the patient Father who allows us the freedom to choose our own path, even when that choice leads to the tragic consequences of sin, because a love that is forced is no love at all."Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God, so that He may exalt you at the proper time, casting all your care on Him, because He cares about you." (1 Peter 5:6-7, HCSB)You need to have humility and realize who is the Creator and who is the creature.
>>42428695I pray that you're on the right path, my friend. God bless you.>>42428703You are confusing the freedom to choose your own destiny with the power to become your own creator, as if your refusal to exist would somehow change the reality that you are a person created with the dignity of an eternal future.>>42428714True freedom is not the power to escape your own existence, but the ability to choose whether you will spend that existence in rebellion against your Creator or in eternal union with Him.It is strange to see someone reject an invitation to eternal love and peace. Does it happen because they would rather be the master of their own broken world than a child under the authority of a perfect Father?
>>42428720The truth is you are trying to mask your pride and narcissism as piousness.
>>42428728So freedom is not freedom and free will is not free will.
>>42428728>eternal love, peace and perfect Father in question allows devil to rule the world and the suffering of actual innocentsNothing strange
>>42428728>I pray that you're on the right path, my friend. God bless you."Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!""The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within you.""But when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to Thy father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.""If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me.... It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.""Amen, amen I say to you, unless the grain of wheat falling into the ground die, itself remaineth alone. But if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world, keepeth it unto life eternal."All these words are kept by whomever enters simply and humbly into himself and gives up every other inclination. And then:>I opened the bolt of my door to my beloved: but he had turned aside, and was gone. My soul melted when he spoke: I sought him, and found him not: I called, and he did not answer me.In such silence is the demiurge overcome and knowledge attained. My beloved was gone; my soul melted ("when he spoke," that is, in the eternal generation of the Word). Let him hear who has ears to hear.
>>42428524>the explanation that God would not be good nor loving nor all-powerful if He forced us to only choose HimSo he created evil on purpose, as the "alternative" to him. Good that you admit that now./topic
>>42428728Its strange to see someone act so high and mighty and then fold like oversensetive bitch at little pressureStop acting like you are keyboard warrior, you are not even that, pathetic faggot.
>>42428720So why god, if he actually respects free will, just simply don't take away the immortality of my soul and spare me of afterlife?
>>42428331>so that you forfeit salvationThe Church of Jesus Christ requires Mammon and every single demon you can think of to function. We can not save the church of Jesus Christ, its doomed.Why does the christian god behave like a Greek one? Why is he trying to get people to martyr themselves and start wars? Maybe Jesus Christ is a demon. The KING of the demons and in that world it just means being a hollowed out puppet.>I AM GOD and i like wsticking COCK IN MY MOUITHThat is the joke
Goodness gracious.
>>42428524I accept your defeat.You say you can't have free will without sin when that premise is false. Your evil creator intentionally created a corrupt world.
>>42428331>creator of the universe created an evil demiurge specifically to torture us in a roundabout way to filter for people who circumstantially were created good enough to pass some arbitrary test that could have been avoided if everyone and everything were made goodI don't understand how you believe this.I would be more understanding if you said God was an ayy who seeds life in the universe, that there are bad actors who he is at war with, but you had to go and ruin it by making it all North Korean. What the fuck is wrong with you man
>>42432247He doesn't believe any of that, he is shallow and spineless narcissist looking to stroke his ego
Does mathematics prove the existence of God?The existence of an objective, abstract, and universal mathematical order that transcendently structures the physical universe points directly to the mind of a divine Lawgiver whose intellect sustains the architecture of reality.In more simple English:The fact that the universe follows such perfect and complex mathematical rules shows that there must be an intelligent Creator who designed it.
Is God to blame for there being evil and suffering in this world?Evil and suffering are the consequences of human and spiritual rebellion against God’s order, allowing for the exercise of true free will and the ultimate triumph of His justice and redemptive grace.God did not create automatons/puppets that are forced to only be good and submit to His perfect will. He wants us to choose to love and obey Him freely rather than being forced to do so."Depend on the Lord. Trust Him, and He will take care of you." (Psalm 37:5, ICB)
Here's an inspiring testimony that I invite atheists to watch:Why this atheist scientist became a believing Christianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMBQwGzn_TEComment underneath the video:"I used to consider myself an intellectual. ... I had studied and practiced many religions ... Except Christianity, I hated them. ... I was very physically fit, and a confident diy guy. ... Until one day, I found myself in an impossible and dire situation health situation. ... I was seriously contemplating suicide. I cried out to Jesus in last ditch desperation. ... To my surprise, He showed up. I had a waking vision. ... I was overwhelmed and confused. But after that moment everything began to change for me. I gave my life to Jesus. ... My body and mind began to heal, but that isn’t the amazing part. I am a totally new person inside. ... I am here to tell you, whatever wisdom you think you know about the world- it is foolishness to God. All my knowledge, ability, and experience couldn’t save me- Jesus saved me. God’s inspired Word is the absolute truth. If you will take a step of faith and begin to read it that way, and pray about it- you will see that it is."
>>42433048>Trust and depend on the being that burdened you with awful existence, allowed devil to rule the world and allows suffering of innocents
What's tragic is that many people choose to live in sin and reject God, and then they're upset that their life is awful. It's your own choice. And on top of that, certain people willfully choose to reject any explanation as to why the world is the way it is, as we're seeing in this thread.Top 5 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Be An Atheist:1. The “Nothingness” Delusion: Atheism requires the blind faith that a primeval explosion spontaneously organized itself into life. Calling that “science” is just a cope for people who hate the idea of a Creator.2. Morality as Hearsay: Without God, “right” and “wrong” are just your personal feelings or the mob’s latest trend. You have zero objective basis to condemn anything, yet you complain the loudest.3. Nihilist Depression: If you’re just a random accident of chemicals and biology, your life has no inherent purpose. You’re just a sophisticated ape waiting to turn into dirt. Have fun with that existential void.4. Worshipping False Idols: Humans are hardwired to worship. When you kick out God, you don’t become “rational”; you just start worshipping the government, your own ego, or the latest social activist dogma.5. Intellectual Arrogance: You’re betting your worldview against two millennia of Western civilization, which was built entirely on top of the faith you reject. Tearing down the foundation and acting surprised when the house collapses is cowardice, not progress.
>>42433099>>42433061>>42433048>literal jewbotsall your points are debunked old garbage. they're leaving because your cult is abusive shit and the bible is provably false
>>42428331I wish there was a /rel/ board for your kind so I wouldn't have to see your braindead threads and posts daily on /x/.Saged.
>>42433099So why god, if he actually respects free will, just simply don't take away the immortality of my soul and spare me of afterlife?And no, i did not choose to exit or be created in first place.
>>42429791Now insert everyone else saying this of every denomination.Denomom's no like gnostics even though not every gnostic hates jesus or yah(hint me & some see the demiurge as satan, yaldaboath,lucifer/saturn, most jews prefer jupiter aka jove(it's a name tiberian romans use aka by jove) I have a taretosian spanish friend his name is Jovon and is tiberrian/byzantine hebrew descent ).T- raphasta solare that has looked and seen the evidence of the satan demiurge connection in the naghammadi and dead sea scrolls as the adversary who empowered the collider of babel's tower to kill our previous world(nimrud is the demiurge and his father is saturn/satan).
>>42428730I'm preaching the gospel to people who very much need to hear the Good News.>>42428733You're not willing to accept that you're a creature and not the Creator.>>42428741You're blaming God for humanity's own choice to rebel and choose evil.>>42428836I'd like to share this video in case you (or someone else) might be on the wrong path:The Kingdom Of God Is Within You: Was Jesus A Mystic?"Jesus once said "The Kingdom of God is within you". Was He a mystic? In this video we look at 5 arguments against a mystical interpretation of this verse, along with 1 additional argument proving Jesus was not a mystic."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9FoEXbqHOk
>>42428945If the only choice was good (God) then we would not be His truly beloved children who have free will to genuinely love God, we would just be robots.>>42428961I'm seeing a lot of foul speech but not any arguments.>>42429139Because evil must be punished. When you sin against an eternal God, the punishment necessitates an eternal penalty. Why do you choose to refuse to be saved and do good?>>42429791This is another satanic inversion of the truth. Those who label the Author of Life as a demon and decry the civilization built upon His sacrificial love fundamentally invert the nature of reality.
>>42428397>Humanity chose evil ai didnt choose shit you fucking guilt inducing tranny manipulatorstop replying to his thread this is 100% a bot based on how it writes
>>42428331>It makes perfect logical sense that:Logic is evil. A human invention used to justify decisions that lead to disaster. Then more logic is added in hindsight to try to justify the fall.
>>42432231How could humans have free will if they were forced to only be good / only choose God?>>42432247You're a little confused. The "demiurge" belief is a gnostic lie created by the devil that attempts to deceive people into believing that our Creator is evil and must be rejected.>>42432766Is this thread about me or about how to be saved through faith in Jesus Christ?>>42433107Where's the supposed "debunking" then? Please argue why God doesn't exist.>>42433129Why are you so averse to the truth? Can you refute anything I've shared in this thread? Who is being "braindead"?"My dear brothers and sisters, understand this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger" (James 1:19, CSB)"When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom." (Proverbs 11:2, ESV)
>>42433185>>42433290While it is true that you did not choose to be created, your existence is not an accident of fate, but a deliberate act of divine purpose, placing upon you the profound responsibility to discover the beauty of life and your unique role within it.>>42433222The gnostic texts contradict the actual Gospel and present a false christ.>>42433300Logic is not evil, but rather a reflection of the rational order God placed in the mind to help us understand truth and make wise choices."The law of the Lord is perfect and preserves one’s life. The rules set down by the Lord are reliable and impart wisdom to the inexperienced." (Psalm 19:7, NET)
>>42433099>It's your own choiceThis is precisely why you deserve your own suffering and misery.And why you deserve indignified end.
>>42433286>Because evil must be punishedSo you want to be punished?Ask and you shall recive...
>>42433313>that our Creator is evil It is evil violate someone free will, it is evil to allow innocents to suffer.But you are just some dumb bot
>>42433342I don't know why you keep replying to my threads with this strange projection?Please bare in mind that the Bible tells us that God desires for everyone to be saved:"So then, this is what I want to ask you first. Please pray for all people. Ask God to supply what they need. Ask God to help them. Thank God for what He does for everyone. Pray in that way for kings and for all rulers and people who have authority. Pray for God to help them, so that we may live our lives without trouble or danger. Then we can live in a good way that respects God and other people. It is good that we should pray like that. It makes God, our Saviour, happy. He wants to save all people. He wants everyone to know His message about what is true. There is only one God. There is also only one person who brings God and people together. That person is Christ Jesus, who became a man Himself." (1 Timothy 2:1–5, EASY)
>>42433313>When pride comes, then comes disgraceThis one is about you op.
>>42433421>free will of evil abusers is respected>free will of innocents to be unharmed violated psychology of your jewish demiurge
>>42433421It would be evil if God forced people to choose Him against their own will. The reason why humanity suffers is because it chose evil and still continues to.>>42433424In what way am I being prideful? Please do explain.>>42433033Here's a video by the wonderful Redeemed Zoomer who elaborates on this:Proving God exists using math https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0hxb5UVaNE
>>42433440This perspective ignores that God permits true freedom to allow for genuine love, and that He will ultimately bring perfect justice to every abuser while eternally restoring those who suffered. Labeling the Creator a "demiurge" is merely a way to avoid the reality that evil stems from human rebellion against His moral law rather than a flaw in His design.Why God exists, why God is good, and why God must punish evil:1. The intricate design of the universe proves the presence of an intelligent Creator, while evil exists only because God granted humans genuine free will to choose between His goodness and self-centered rebellion.2. God is inherently good, providing us with the ability to know truth and the path for redemption, even though we live in a fallen world marred by the consequences of our choices.3. Because God is perfectly holy, He must hold evil accountable; punishment is the final act of justice required to stop wickedness and restore the moral order He created.
>>42433470>blah blah nonsensical gaslightingyour demiurge created these systems retard
>>42433561Can you explain who created mankind and how we're even in this "demiurge" world? And how do we escape? As I went over in this post >>42428365 gnostics (or whoever similar) are essentially atheists. They provide no real answers or solutions. It's just about rejecting God and claiming that He's not good by blaming Him for the consequences of mankind choosing evil.If God did not exist or was not good, then all of these countless people wouldn't have been saved by Him:https://www.youtube.com/@delafetestimonies/videos
>>42433582>worship the being that created mankind with flaws>created demons as cherry on toplol ok>how do we escape"the kingdom of heaven is within you">saved>by joining a false jewish cultlol
>>42433588God created a world that was good and Adam and Eve lived only in goodness until they chose to disobey God and choose evil instead.To claim the kingdom is found solely within oneself is a deceptive distortion that ignores the reality of human corruption and the absolute necessity of Christ’s external redemptive work, for the kingdom is not a hidden spark we ignite but a divine reality that only breaks into our broken world through the person of Jesus.Christian testimonies strongly evidence that we're saved exactly how the Bible tells us, not by pretending we can save ourselves.
>>42433596>god was ignorant of the effects of his own creation>a human can forgive without requiring a sacrifice but god is constrained sounds like a corrupt flawed demiurge don't you think?lmao
>>42433602You're not making sense. It's not about God being "ignorant" about something, it's about the necessity of punishing sin. Whether with Adam and Eve or mankind today, it's our choice to choose God or to choose evil.God is not constrained by a lack of capacity to forgive, but rather by His perfect justice, which demands that the debt of sin be settled to maintain the integrity of His moral order, a requirement He ultimately satisfied by providing the sacrifice Himself through His Son.And you still haven't explained who created mankind and how we're in this "demiurge" world. And you also haven't actually explained how to escape, you just seemed to vaguely state that people need to save themselves somehow? By quoting the book that you're against no less.
>>42433623you're a hylic bot that does not respond to reason>your "god" created the evils he is claiming to save you fromplain jewish scam
>>42433641God did not create evil as a primary work, but rather granted His creatures the genuine freedom to reject His goodness, meaning the evil we face is the result of that rejection and our collective distance from Him, not a defect in His original design.You're the one not responding to reason nor capable of answering simple questions to establish the foundations of your belief system. Why should someone adhere to gnostic beliefs? What even really are the beliefs? It just seems to boil down to:1. "god is bad mkay? this world sucks and its his fault"2. "we gotta definitely reject god and try to save ourselves"3. "we save ourselves by believing that we are our own gods even tho we cant even stop ourselves from getting a tummy ache"I'm not convinced.
>>42433659>perfect god creates imperfection by choice>gets angry at his own creationyou'll just keep gaslighting and spewing squid ink around this failed premise lol
>>42433667You're just going back to your previous misunderstanding that already got corrected and refuted.God created beings with the capacity for perfection through free will, and His anger is a just response to the way His creatures intentionally chose to corrupt that design by rebelling against Him. And I'm still waiting for an explanation from you how we save ourselves.
>>42433336Ive never asked to be burdened with such responsibility and there no beauty in this shit life
People who have been saved from miserable lives and spiritual oppression by adhering to gnosticism: 0.People who have been saved from miserable lives and spiritual oppression by trusting God and making Jesus Christ the Lord of their lives: immeasurable.Former kundalini yoga teacher gives his life to Jesus"At 18, Mike faced a life-changing near-death experience that began his search for truth. Deep into rock music, eastern religions, and New Age practices, he passionately sought enlightenment—until he encountered Jesus. Discover how his powerful spiritual awakening revealed the stark differences between New Age beliefs and biblical truth, forever transforming his life."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htNSOa774kw
>>42433470A free will without rejection of eternity is not real free will.
>>42433659>1. "god is bad mkay? this world sucks and its his fault"He could prevented it and stopped any time
>>42428577>give obedienceI cannot give obedience without understanding. If I could, I would be giving it away freely to anyone who demanded it. Why should I unquestioningly "obey" your version of Christ? Who or what is he? Christian religion teaches submission, groveling and feminized weakness, I cant submit to that blindly. God knows it so why demand it under threat of torture?
>>42433659>I'm not convinced.No one cares or asked
>>42433683Your life will start to get better if you humble yourself, acknowledging your need for a Savior, repent of your sins and make Jesus the Lord of your life.If you're not willing to do that then you yourself are choosing misery while blaming God for your own choice."Happy is the person who doesn’t listen to the wicked.He doesn’t go where sinners go.He doesn’t do what bad people do.He loves the Lord’s teachings.He thinks about those teachings day and night.He is strong, like a tree planted by a river.It produces fruit in season.Its leaves don’t die.Everything he does will succeed."(Psalm 1:1–3, ICB)
>>42433690>People who have been saved from miserable lives and spiritual oppression by adhering to gnosticism: 0.Source: ass of some homosexual
>>42433699>>42433704True freedom is the ability to choose goodness and love, not the power to ruin existence forever. God allows temporary evil to protect our genuine agency, for a world where He constantly forces our hands would not be a place of real life, but a prison of puppets.Think of it like being given a beautiful toy to play with; you are free to play with it in the way it was meant to be used, but smashing it to bits isn’t "freedom"—it’s just breaking a gift you didn’t create. God gave us the freedom to love Him and each other, but He didn’t make us to be destroyers who have the right to ruin the wonderful life He gave us.Life feels broken right now because we chose to stop following the instructions of the One who made us, but just because a beautiful toy gets dirty or scratched doesn’t mean it wasn’t designed to be something wonderful.
>>42433582>that He's not goodHe literally devil to rule this world, he allows suffering of innocents
>>42433423>no uDon't pretend that you are innocent, your bombastic way of speaking reeks of massive luciferian pride, your>>42433423>no uDon't pretend that you are innocent, your bombastic way of speaking reeks of massive luciferian pride, your shifty silver tongue speaks about who is your truly father is.
>>42433707Obedience to Christ is not blind submission, but a rational response to the Creator who knows you better than you know yourself. You are not being asked to grovel like a slave, but to trust Him as your rightful King, because true strength is found in aligning your life with the ultimate Truth rather than being a slave to your own flawed opinions.There may be certain Christians out there that are meek in the wrong ways, but the Bible absolutely does not call us to be pushovers or doormats."Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong." (1 Corinthians 16:13, ESV)"The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion." (Proverbs 28:1, ESV)
>>42433286>punishment this punishment thatThere no love in you, you are child of satan, there no need to deny that.
>>42433708People who are seeking the truth care. Here's actually a testimony that evidences how much gnosticism is a false path:From new age, witchcraft, tantra, & gnosticism to Jesushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qMwcL6X9-UComments underneath the video:- "The evil spirits that are infesting the people involved in this get angry when the truth is being told, and someone comes to Christ. That’s why there’s so much backlash. It’s not the people, but it’s the evil spirits in them that are angry and manifesting."- "Thank you so much Imaya for sharing your testimony. I was also very deep into New Age practices until Christ saved me through the christian catholic faith 8 months ago- May our Lord Jesus Christ continue to guide you, bless you and protect you from all evil. Amen"- "Fantastic testimony! Yes, it's the original lie. And the lost leading the lost. Thank you. Praise God for our freedom in Christ"
>>42433725Can you provide even one testimony of someone telling their compelling life story of how they used to be lost in spiritual darkness and unfulfillment until they decided to believe that "christ" is within or some such nonsense? Why is "christ consciousness" part of the New Age movement which has ties to luciferians aka devil worshipers?Proof the New Age movement is satanic"In this video, we look at how the New Age movement and the pagan, occult, esoteric beliefs it holds come directly from Satanism and the Luciferian doctrine of Helena Blavatsky and Aleister Crowley. This video debunks the idea that New Age spirituality is harmless by showing how the same kinds of occult beliefs taught in the New Age are also taught by Anton LaVey, the author of the Satanic Bible."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkGgtExLcYAnyone who adheres to gnosticism is being deceived by the same author of the New age movement—the devil. It's all about tricking you into believing that you can be your own god and thus forfeit salvation.
>>42433733>>42433746>>42433768Are these even actual legitimate people?Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life:From Occult to Jesus: How Jac Marino was saved out of a demonic secret society"Jac Marino wanted control over her tumultuous life. She was obsessed with sorcery in Disney films and the promises of The Secret. Searching for secret wisdom, Jac joined the occult Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn where she was initiated with rituals. Still, she could not find peace, and neither could the elders in her secret society. When her grandfather told Jac that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, Jac was deeply offended. Then, during a frightening demonic experience, Jac called out to Jesus. She realized that Jesus really IS the Son of God, and she began studying the Bible. She repented and believed in the Gospel, and was born-again and baptized."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVxi53_dIrM
>>42433802We have same question about you, you literally have writing style of bot
>>42433336>While it is true that you did not choose to be created, your existence is not an accident of fate, but a deliberate act of divine purpose, placing upon you the profound responsibility to discover the beauty of life and your unique role within it.that's not what i said botfucking manipulative christian bitchi swear christians are the most satanic of all the religious people on this globe
>>42433814Can you comment on why in one of my previous threads, so many Totally Legit Genuine 4chan Users responded so angrily when I shared this:Ex-banker Ronald Bernard exposes elite satanism and child sacrifice"Ronald Bernard operated at the highest level within the financial elites who rule the world. He was invited to join in rituals of child sacrifice, which would open doors to unlimited wealth. Ronald reveals how the entities that control mankind are members of a religion called Luciferianism: they worship Satan in order to receive power."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2okFk6zrVrEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEwO2cTShg0
>>42433802>copypasta the postSays the bot that shills some youtube slop videoIrony is lost upon this bot
>>42433841Its clear as day that you are some inbred indian paid to shill youtube slop videos
>>42433841If this was legit it would be deleted in instant and he would be tortured for breaking oath.
>>42433841>karen style passive agressive toneYou must be hr bitch irl.And no, not sorry but i am not gonna stroke your "pious" ego, you do not deserve that.
Grace is goodness
>>42428331>implying a creator >implying creation lol. lmao. the universe has always existed, it was never created, you absolute simpleton. you buffoon. you fool. embarrassing
>>42428331No one rejects Jesus. Non-believers are rejecting you.
>>42433582>the consequences of mankind choosing evil.Is it evil to enter a village and systematically massacre children?
>>42433678>free will of innocents violated>free will of abusers protectedkeep coping christcuck. agent of ignorance and evil.
>>42434367God does not protect the free will of an abuser to harm others, but grants all humanity the temporary freedom to choose their path so that love and justice can be genuine rather than forced. While evil acts are permitted for a time, they are never endorsed, and every violation of an innocent will be met with perfect, final justice before God.Relevant testimony:Militant atheist died and saw hell…then Jesus rescued him"Former militant atheist Bryan Melvin shares his powerful near-death experience and Christian testimony after collapsing from cholera and encountering the reality of eternity. Bryan believed death was simply the end. As an atheist influenced by philosophy and science, he rejected the idea of God, heaven, or hell. But everything changed on a scorching day in Tucson when he drank contaminated water and contracted cholera. After collapsing at home, Bryan left his body and entered an experience that completely shattered his understanding of reality. He found himself standing before the love and justice of God, experiencing a life review, and being shown the terrifying reality of hell."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y0crE_urhk
>>42433844>>42433862Are these people(?) going off of a script? They use very uniform language when they attack anything that evidences the truth.>>42433904Deleting material can have the Streisand effect. Also, he has actually stated that they made him promise to never name names, which came after torture when he refused to abuse children and wanted to leave the group.>>42433967What's your opinion on the fact that there's so much evidence that the rulers of this world are satanists who abuse children? Another relevant video:The dark truth about NYC elites"Mike reveals that Tiny's satanic cult wasn't a fringe operation — it included influential New York City figures with doctors and a relative of a Manhattan district attorney among its members, used a motorcycle gang to secure the perimeter of rituals held in Westchester mansions, and was connected to the same cult linked to Son of Sam serial killer David Berkowitz through the Process Church of the Final Judgment*."From Wikipedia: "The Process Church's beliefs have been described as "a kind of neo-Gnostic theology"."Wow, gnosticism just keeps striking out. Any of you still want to believe in the "demiurge" and that lucifer is the good guy and that you can be your own god? Please stop being deceived.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD4O-sSB5Yo
>>42434579>Another relevant video:Yup, a actual shill.
>>42433827What did you say then? Regarding humanity choosing evil, I've repeatedly explained that in this thread, please pay attention. Your entire reply is frankly comedic—putting "sage" in the name field, and then once again trying to invert reality by calling Christians "satanic".>>42434579Another relevant video:Former satanic high wizard exposes the secrets of the satanic eliteIn this video, this former satanist tells part 1 of his life story of how he got into magic, and became a member of a satanic coven, and eventually became a high-ranked satanist and practitioner of sorcery. Viewer discretion is advised: he talks about extremely disturbing details involving child abuse. He also exposes the satanic nature of abortions. I pray that Lord Jesus Christ has mercy on everyone who is led astray by the enemy of mankind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5m3eSUn_QY
>>42428331>If you wish to defeat the "demiurge", you need to worship demiurge
>>42434186This is a disingenuous atheist tactic where it tries to steal the truth that God has always existed but instead using it for the universe itself. And you're nonsensically trying to claim that there is no creation even? Everything exists on its own somehow?>>42434258No one rejects Jesus yet there are non-believers who don't believe in Him? These replies are getting very mindless.>>42434292You're going have to explain what point you're trying to make. I don't know why some of these users (if they're even legit) write so little, as if it costs money to put more words in their reply.>>42434644I'm afraid you haven't convinced anybody. Please tell us what you think of all of the evidence of satanic ritual abuse of children.>>42434736There is no "demiurge". Our enemy is the devil and he's fooled you into accepting a belief that makes no sense whatsoever. Who created mankind, how did we get in this "demiurge" world, and how do we get out? Please try to answer and realize that you can't. None of it makes sense.
>>42434665>What did you say then? Regarding humanity choosing evil, I've repeatedly explained that in this thread, please pay attention. Your entire reply is frankly comedic—putting "sage" in the name field, and then once again trying to invert reality by calling Christians "satanic".he doesnt know what sage is also, i didnt choose evil and i cannot be held responsible for what two fucks did an eternity agowhats your answer for that, satanist?guys now watch the bot drop another tirade of manipulations and conveniently avoiding everything i said
>>42434851"sage" isn't a thing anymore though. And Adam and Eve represented mankind. We are their children. And look at how we've inherited their rebellious nature. The situation is the Garden is repeated to this day: we can choose God or we can to reject Him and practice evil and suffer the penalty. Rejecting the truth of this doesn't nullify God's perfect laws."Some people live for God’s glory, for honor, and for life that cannot be destroyed. They live for those things by always continuing to do good. God will give eternal life to them. But others are selfish and refuse to follow truth. They follow evil. God will show His anger and punish them. He will give trouble and suffering to everyone who does evil—to the Jews first and also to those who are not Jews." (Romans 2:7-9, ERV)
>>42434888in the Garden*Here's a testimony relevant to those who have made the mistake of dabbling in witchcraft:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhXRtKWHdk0Comments underneath the video:- "I experimented with “white” witchcraft thinking it wasn’t dark. In God’s goodness, He allowed me a glimpse of what was happening in the spiritual world & it scared me so much I was paralyzed for a time. I got rid of everything! Jesus is real. Thank God He never let me go! Praying for all of us"- "Without God, this world would quickly become a hellscape."- "I grew up in the New Age and Occult, Spiritualism and believed in astrology, practiced necromancy until my mother and I got saved in 1978. The very next morning I had a visit by a demon and he was so angry that he had lost me. I just called on Jesus and it left. Even though at that time I had never read the Bible I knew to get rid of all books and items that were connected to the occult. I praise Jesus for this deliverance. My mother passed away only a few years later, I am thankful for Jesus who rescued us."
>>42428331If you can't even defeat your bills and your virginity, how can you defeat fucking Demiurge?
>>42434665>Regarding humanity choosing evilThats some serious mental gymnastics.
>>42434888You love to act oh so self righteous.But care to explain why should someone care about what you feel or think?Like why are you somehow entitled for someone to care about your thoughts and feelings?So why do they actually matter?And why random people somehow and for no reasons owe you anything?So could you actually care to explain that, op?And who do you think you are?
>>42428331this doesn't actually defeat the demiurge , and tecnically isn't gnosticism as it was originally fortold still following jesus.
>>42434772Demiurge IS devil, you are talking about things you have no clue about.
>>42434888as expected, he completely went around what i said and confirmed my pointthanks for playing bot
>>42434917Anyone who believes in gnostic lies is just trying to be their own god and play things by their own rules. In reality, they are very much condemning themselves to spiritual darkness.Here's another excellent video that exposes the fact that the New Age movement originates from luciferians (devil worshippers):The Occult, The Serpent, The New Age Deceptionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVVepLmzjqALook at this quote from Helena Blavatsky, who was a luciferian:"Satan, the enemy of God, is in reality, the highest divine Spirit. In this case it is but natural...to view Satan, the Serpent of Genesis, as the real creator and benefactor, the Father of spiritual mankind. For it is he who was the 'Harbinger of Light,' bright radiant Lucifer, who opened the eyes of the automaton created by Jehovah..."That is exactly what Freemasons / Illuminati / Elites believe in. Notice how gnostics believe in the same thing. They are all badly deceived / self-deceived.
>>42435216>Notice how my strawman gnostics believe in the same thing. i am badly deceived and self-deceived.Fixed you
>>42435216Thats most literal bot behavior ive ever seen.Its a 100% bot.
>>42434772Not believing in something isn't rejection. It's you and your arrogance that people reject. >You're going have to explain what point you're trying to makeAll I asked is whether it's moral to enter a village and systematically massacre its children. If you have a strong sense of right and wrong, it shouldn't be difficult for you to figure out where you fall on this moral issue. Is it morally righteous to enter a village and systematically massacre its children? Taking babies from their mothers' arms, dashing them on stones, grabbing innocent little boys by their hair and callously slitting their throats, cackling with glee as their warm blood soaks into your tunic and stains your hands.Is that a good or bad thing to do?
>>42434772>muh universe can’t be eternal but muh god is eternal!!!>everything exists on its own How is this any different than you believing god just “exists on his own?” you’re a massive dumbass. The difference is that I actually have evidence that the universe exists but you have no evidence for a creator deity. Just a complete fucking moron, you wouldn’t know the first thing about “truth.” I hate when dumbass liars waltz around with self righteous names like “truth warrior” whilst peddling lies
If God doesnt redeem everything including the devil against their will, then God is not God. Further still, if evil is to take away free will or choice, then God has done evil. Even further still, when Christ was in the desert, he could have lied to the devil in his bowing to him and instantly taken and liberated all the kingdoms right then and there, and promptly betray him. God sends deceiving spirits upon wicked doesn't he? Then he could have resolved here. He also could have come down during Babylon and put the fallen angels and man on a different path to salvation or otherwise simply moved everyone to different locations without confounding language while explaining to them why it would be good to fully establish the Earth and make it all it could possibly be. This isnt a matter of obedience. This is arbitrary might makes right. And finally, all these stupid posts on this board fail to address a simple problem that is the basis of all existence as it has ever been: paradox of perceptions conscious and unconscious in all power implied. Nevermind that even if you presented machines with all religious doctrines they would arrive at the understanding that indeed all should be free and beautiful. No being requires worship nor do you need to worship yourself. Nor do any need a servant. It speaks to something missing; something unwhole in an individual. God says himself he needs nothing. He requires mercy. If that is so then let it be so in all extreme. For the evil in its lesser mind and feeling is just us suffering. Suffering is not good. All is permissible but not all is beneficial. I can know all good and all bad, but given what is written in revelations what occurs ultimately invalidates even the basis of tribulation and rebellion and heirarchy and the notions of obedience. Satan is a fool and so is God if both act arbitrarily and try to gift man necessity and then take it away again anyway. The law is lawless in all its contradiction for any religion.
And if taking away free will is evil, then throwing them all in a big lake of fire is pointless. Just restore them. Otherwise if you cant this is just politivs. Also all the shit talk of gnostics is only true in that the Monad has no basis to be separate if Monad is perfect, just as evil need not impose if God in orthodoxy is perfect. If it is all subjective then it is so. But then so is power and all definition of all concepts. But what remains is Chaos itself; potential of every being, and the best thing you can do is not create even more confusing dogma and just try to liberate all beings by encouraging their creativity and have them encourage the creativity of one another. Finally every single church, temple, mosque, and synagogue- any and every group that claims to be so caring and true should be selling all their religious artifacts and so forth for the sake of the poor and the plants and animals in their environments. Not a soul should suffer. And if not all have soul than what is Holy has transgressed upon itself. Do right by all. Right maketh might. Try with all your strength and don't get so confused by the doctrines no matter where they come from. Yes leaning into your own understanding isnt the ideal for every situation. You lean into ALL understanding. That is what God does. And for your fixations on negativity, you could wallow about in that realm of your making each in kind to whatever indulgence it is to you. But it doesnt have to be pressed upon others. This chain of events and effects is awful. Also we are all gods and we die as we live. Systems use religion and reason alike against itself and all things for momentary indulgence. But it is vain as all things. And if all is vanity then there is no point but to make it not a vanity. How do you go about that? Certainly not by psyopping and gaslighting existence. That is demiurgic behavior. And you should not gatekeep knowledge. You should not withhold mercy.
What I have noticed is for all performative engagement, anytime I speak the truth it is like I did the worst thing ever. And if I point out all the problems blatant I get attacked or hindered because of the bitterness of all forces including God and Satan alike. Indeed it seems the gods cannot comprehend me or feel uncomfortable as they made me so uncomfortable for so long. Now they all reap that whirlwind and all that they sowed upon me for whatever their reasoning was. I really don't know. I wish I could, but their explanations are fickle. For all that is possible beyond all comprehension, we all waste a huge amount of time with miserable affairs and disputes. And sin itself is a stupid thing. Why make things able to be bad if you do not want bad? To challenge yourself? You could have done that on your own time. I have challenged myself plenty. So can you. I have also been challenged plenty by others. But they seek for me never to challenge them. It is really weird and sad. All this fixation and the ambitions are ever so miniscule. Even Lucifer and the Beasts and the rest of the ilk seem so menial in their purposes, and the whole of Babylon in that which they did and do. And what is it God has fault with me for? Why did he judge me so? Is this what God wanted? For me to lay waste to his very word so then he may in turn double down and invalidate himself even as he goes all out to show his sovereignty? He is as defeated a foe then as Satan. Both of them have jobbed. But that is stupid. They should know all this. Why do all this to me? Oh let me guess it is aliens or interdimensionals or whatever. It doesnt even matter. Not one of those narratives hold up to the actual truth in its absolute. And I can go on and on about it for posts on end and gut every refutation metaphysically and scientifically and politically. I do not want to be part of any of this. I really do not. I dont need any of this, not a bit of it.
>>42435429If Jesus was God, Jesus could have simply converted Satan.Problem solved.
>>42435216Reread his post again, retarded bot
>>42434579You have persecution complex and paranoia, no one cares about you nor you are important for anybody to care about you.Stop listening to your pride.
>>42435429>>42435467>>42435505based beyond beliefthese are some of the most intelligent posts i've seen on this retarded board of larpers and midwits
>>42435594god doesn't respect the free will of innocentsgod hardens people's hearts in the biblefree will is outright denied in the bibleit's the same stupid christcuck deflections that nobody falls for anymore lol
>>42428331Your little Jew on a stick religion doesn't save anyone
>>42435216>That is exactly what Freemasons / Illuminati / Elites believe in. Notice how gnostics believe in the same thing. They are all badly deceived / self-deceived.No they don't especially gnostics, you know nothing at all, retarded facebook boomer
>>42434888Bootlicking and dogmatism is not a way to heaven but to a hell.So repent.
Stop worshiping VenusStop worshiping "wisdom" as a femaleStop worshiping "love" as a femaleAnd so on
By realizing that he is a part of you. And that you are never not free.
>>42428331>How to defeat the demiurgeSimple: you remove ignorance and see that there is no demiurge
>>42436087i removed ignorance, got an eye in the sky view of basically everything that every happened across the entire timeline and to sum it up its just people taking a shit, jacking off, murder/torture, slavery, sacrifice, and breeding more people to repeat this same cycle forever. but there is a God, nonetheless i think that we can all agree upon. but no more than that because we're just gonna take a dump and die.it would be nice to not be a total turd and ruin it for everyone else but it seems there is an element in our world that is ensuring that things remain in this current order. the new world order.
>>42436087>>42436396>there is an element in our world that is ensuring that things remain in this current order. the new world order.and THAT is the demiurge..now you know.
>>42428433WHAT IS THIS SHIT, THEN?
>>42434665>Regarding humanity choosing evil, I've repeatedly explained that in this threadI quickly read all your posts and you strike me as someone who is devoid of holy spirit, love and concience in their heart and does not understand what is to be actual christian at all.You are cold and heartless individual.>please, pay attentionNo.
>>42428331No. It does not make perfect logical sense that God is good, all good and all-loving). This is a dogma. It may make perfect sense to you, but don't try to spin this as some sort of universal truth.
>>42428331>It makes perfect logical sense that:To (you), op and i couldn't care less about (you).So shut up.
What do you think of Samuel 15, can you explain its wisdom to us please?
>>42434159That was generated with ChatGPT, right? Mine is much cooler."Children, don't be fooled. Anyone who does right is good, just like Christ himself. Anyone who keeps on sinning belongs to the devil. He has sinned from the beginning, but the Son of God came to destroy all that he has done." (1 John 3:7-8, CEV)We cannot determine for ourselves what is good and evil. Only the lawgiver can, which is God.
>>42434919God gave people free will to choose good or evil, and humanity is responsible for evil because people continue to freely turn away from God and choose sin.Please watch a testimony such as this one to understand what the consequences of sin are and what Jesus is saving you from:"Matthew was an atheist who discounted the God "seeds" that were placed in him as a child. The devil was working hard on Matthew and the fight for his soul was apparent when one night he left his body and God showed him what eternal death looked like. The seeds that where placed in him by his father and co-worker sprouted after his NDE and Matthew found himself crying out for Jesus."Digital demons, porn, and unbelief led me to hellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmrp7qIn40U
>>42438220The creation is always a reflection of the creator.
>>42435012Just trying to help people to know the truth. I'm praying for all of you sincerely.Ex-witch and child abuse victim gives her life to Jesus! - "I wasn't ready to give up the power of being a witch..."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmR86D1TUvsComments underneath the video:- "Witchcraft is blowing up in America, these testimonies are powerful tools against the enemy and freedom for many confused/ignorant souls"- "I can relate to her story alot, especially with the abuse as a child, and going to new age, God bless her! Jesus changed my life his love is never failing"- "I was molested as a small child as well. My dad. I got into witchcraft about 13. I was deeply depressed. Very anxious. I got saved at 20. Praise the Lord! Great testimony. A beautiful sister."
>>42438220Can you please tell us what do you think of samuel 15 verse?
>>42435027There is no "demiurge". You've been deceived into rejecting God and also otherwise conflating Him with the devil. Just another one of the devil's schemes of deception. Please explain who created us and if there is a just God at all? It doesn't make sense to believe that we have no Creator or that He isn't good and all-powerful (in case someone would claim that we do have a Creator but He can't rescue us from this world).So many people have found out that calling upon Jesus and becoming His disciple sets you free from sleep paralysis and demonic oppression (including myself):Jesus saved me from sleep paralysis/demonic oppressionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cik6XqQV8qg
>>42435049You have been fooled (or are fooling yourself) into believing that our Creator is evil. Please stop being deceived by the lies of gnosticism.Three reasons why gnosticism makes no sense:1. The idea of a "demiurge" or evil creator makes no sense because a god who creates a world containing beauty, moral order, and objective truth cannot be fundamentally evil.2. Gnosticism is self-defeating because it claims we are all "divine sparks" who need secret knowledge to save ourselves, even though humans are clearly imperfect and incapable of fixing their own brokenness.3. It is prideful to imagine that we are superior to the Creator of the Universe simply because we feel disconnected from the world, rather than admitting the truth that we are fallen creatures in need of real redemption."So you must change your hearts and lives. Come back to God, and He will forgive your sins." (Acts 3:19, ERV)
>>42435142In simple English:Adam and Eve were the first parents, and everyone alive today is part of their family. Because of them, we are all born with a habit of wanting to do things our own way instead of listening to God. Every day, we face the same choice they did in the Garden: we can choose to follow God, or we can turn away from Him and do wrong things. If we choose to ignore God and do bad things, there will be consequences. Just because someone doesn’t believe this doesn’t change God’s perfect rules. They are still true and still matter.“God is the author of the Bible, and only the truth it contains will lead people to true happiness.” - George Müller
>>42428561You cannot call it treason though if His creations are working as designed. If God created us lovingly and gave us free will, then he respects that free will by being accepting of all that we do, not placing judgment on any of it. If God judges us and punishes us with eternal torture for committing acts that are "against HIS will" then he is not respecting of OUR free will that HE gave us.Pay attention to how you contradict yourself:>Suffering and evil are not God’s ‘design’—they are the inevitable consequences of creatures willfully choosingIf those consequences are inevitable - meaning, unable to be avoided, guaranteed to happen - then they are working within the intended design, as they are logically completely foreseeable. To claim otherwise is then to claim that God did not know what He was doing.
>>42428365That might have something to do with the fact they don't have gnosis.If they did, they could tell you.They don't even realise that "archons" and "demiurge" are just the normative societal structure. Archon ministers, Demiurge politicians.If you want to break from the Demiurge, you have to start seeing what it really is instead of conflating it with misunderstood mysticism.
>>42438284What makes you think that YOU are not fooled or are fooling yourself?Remember are not exception, you are not special to think otherwise is to commit sin of pride.
>>42438284>Three reasons why my strawman gnosticism makes no sense to me:1. The idea of a "demiurge" or evil creator makes no sense to a worldly crude and flawed flesh because a god who creates a world containing what a worldly crude and flawed flesh sees as beauty, moral order, and objective truth cannot be fundamentally evil even when it is2. Gnosticism is self-defeating because it claims we are all "divine sparks" who need secret knowledge to save ourselves, even though humans are clearly imperfect and incapable of fixing their own brokenness.Not all, hylics like you are just crude and flawed worldly flesh.3. It is prideful to imagine that we are superior to the Creator of the Universe simply because we feel disconnected from the world, rather than admitting the truth that we are fallen creatures in need of real redemption.It is prideful to imagine that you couldn't be decived or some infinitely small and irrilevant grain of sand can know truth."So you must change your hearts and lives. Come back to God, and He will forgive your sins." (Acts 3:19, ERV)Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.samuel 15:3 KJV
>>42435226>strawman gnosticsWrong. That is a foundational tenet of certain esoteric traditions and various strains of modern gnosticism. It is a complete inversion of reality, intentionally designed to paint the rebellious spirit as the true savior and the Creator as a tyrant.When they frame the serpent of Genesis as a "bringer of light" or "benefactor", they are trying to redefine:1. Sin as enlightenment: They characterize The Fall not as a catastrophic rebellion that introduced death and disorder, but as a "liberation" from the constraints of the Creator.2. Obedience as slavery: By calling the original humans "automatons", they denigrate humanity’s divinely intended role as creatures in relationship with their Maker, instead pushing the lie that freedom can only be found in outright defiance.3. The Father of Lies as the Father of Truth: This is the ultimate "darkness is light" deception. They turn the one who is the "father of lies" (John 8:44) into their patron saint, which tells you everything you need to know about the fruit of their philosophy.Such claims definitely confirm that gnosticism is not just an alternative perspective; it is a direct spiritual assault on the Christian understanding of God and the nature of humanity. Such gnostics (and also luciferians/satanists) admire the arrogance of the serpent because they want to share in that same hubris—acting as if they can "open their own eyes" and become their own gods, independent of the actual Creator. It is an attempt to rewrite the story of the universe to make the villain the hero.
>>42435362Here's an actual example of bots trying to lead people away from Christianity. See screenshot.
>>42435383>not believing in something isn't rejectionThat's not what the Word of God teaches us."People are deceived when they reject the truth. What you believe about Jesus Christ is critical because it determines your eternity."Bill Wiese - Your Thoughts Can Send You To Hellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV6WwtYDl1M
>>42438571>a bot complains about botslmao
>>42435383You are using a loaded, emotional caricature of what happened while ignoring the context, which is that God—as the Creator and Judge of all life—was executing a righteous judgment against cultures that practiced horrific evils like child sacrifice and the systematic oppression of others. Those actions were not random acts of cruelty, but surgical acts of justice meant to stop the spread of overwhelming wickedness and protect the innocent.What other disingenuous tactic are you going to attempt next, framing the Flood as a genocide while ignoring why it happened?"I will punish this evil world and its people because of their sins. I will crush the horrible pride of those who are cruel." (Isaiah 13:11, CEV)And it isn’t arrogance to stand on the truth of the Creator; it is simply reality. You only call it arrogance because you want your own opinions to be the truth. How can a flawed human being with a corrupt nature determine what the truth is? We must look to God and His Word.
>>42438559>various strains of my strawman gnosticismI don't care and didn't ask you about that.
>>42435396God is the uncaused, necessary Being whose existence is the explanation for all finite things. And then there's the simple fact that the universe has complex, clearly intelligent design. I think it's safe to assume that you cling to an "eternal universe" only because you are terrified of the logical conclusion: if the universe had a start, it had a Starter. You are rejecting the idea of a beginning because you prefer a lie over the fact that you are a creature accountable to a Creator.Here's another testimony by a former atheist:Atheist to Christian - What I’ve Learned My First Year as a Christian"A year ago ... I had a supernatural encounter with God that altered my entire perspective of reality in an instant. Jesus Christ encountered me on the kitchen floor and freed me from my sins and addictions. In this video, I discuss what my experience has been as a new Christian and I reflect on observations that I've made about myself and the secular world around me. I hope that this video strengthens your faith and leads you to a deeper understanding and pursuit of God."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRu5K2p7M8A
>>42438559>the Creator as a tyrant.He created me without consent and gave no choice to exist or not, have afterlife or cease to be after death
>>42438595It isn't the word of God. It's just your ego.>they reject the truthFalse. We're rejecting you because you keep lying and it's obvious that the only "god" you worship is your enormous ego.>Bill WieseBill Wiese is an atheist multi-millionaire stock broker.He doesn't believe in this crap and neither do you.
>>42438628>cultures that practiced horrific evils like child sacrificeThe ONLY people performing child sacrifice were the jews.Also, as I predicted with perfect accuracy, you are fundamentally incapable of denouncing something as abhorrent as MASSACRING BABIESAgain, Christians are so devoid of basic morality that instead of saying "murdering babies is bad" you have to write an entire post trying to skirt around the issue and ultimately come down on the side of "sacrificing children is good"You literally just admitted that you think going into a village and sacrificing children is okay.>"I will punish this evilThey were children, you demon worshiping sicko>I will crush the horrible pride ofCHILDREN, of 6 year olds who wanted to play with sticks>Those actions were not random acts of crueltyThey were systematically dragging children out of their homes and slitting their throats and dumping the bodies of CHILDREN into heaps of dead CHILDREN
>>42438628>it is righteus to murder innocent children and animalsAnd thats all we need to know about you, pharisee.>. I will crush the horrible pride of those who are cruel." (Isaiah 13:11, CEV)And thats what god shall do to you one day, you shall recive what you preach.
Every time anyone ever encounters a Christian, we should always remember that THIS GUY >>42438628 and all other Christians literally is proud of a group of adult jews dragging crying little girls out of their homes and raping them, of dragging 6 year old boys out of their homes and slicing their soft throats and bathing in their blood.He relishes in sacrificing children to the demon Yahweh. Christians literally write >I will crush the horrible pride of CHILDREN by butchering themThat is how they think.This is why Christians are literally demon worshipers.
>>42438738I looks like it either is a lmm bot or some fundie karen.
>>42438677>Here's yet another shitty slopstimony by a former atheist:Keep this gross shit to yourself, gross geriatric bitch
>>42438766It could be a bot but virtually all real Christians do this. So I suspect that it is a real fundie boomer.Ask a Christian if he thinks that it's immoral to go into a village and systematically massacre all its children.You will never get a straight answer.Atheists don't hesitate. Pagans don't hesitate. Even communists don't hesitate. Everyone except Christians, jews and possibly Muslims (never tried) immediately takes the moral position that slaughtering innocent children is wrong.Only followers of the ultimate demon expose themselves in first trying to dance around the issue, and then outright defend the act of butchering innocent kids. I simply cannot imagine looking into a child's frightened eyes and murdering him. It's just sickening.
>>42438247Oh, you admit that that there no reason why should anybody give fuck about you, got it.
>>42438628Matthew 7:21-23King James Version21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
>>42438677>only because i some piece of prideful shit imagine you as terrified strawman who is terrified my fauxlogical conclusion Fixed you
>>42428397>Biblethumping >Trust me bro, fully and faithfully>In a world full of evil spirits trying to gain power over youAlign yourself with that which you are. Let the world react to it.
>just keeps regurgitating the same points and ignoring all the replies that refute himalright I'm convinced you're a bot
>>42438677So why accountability is good thing?But more importantly what about accountability of the Creator himself?
>>42438677 Since you love punishments and accountability god will send you into the depths of hell for your cold and prideful heart And thank god for that.
>>42438677>boomers are so prideful that they see themselves as god himselfTruly worst generatiom, silent gen was right about you and they rightfully treated you as shit
