I left Islam when I was in my early 20s and honestly after going threw the new agey phase , the actual core of islam does a lot of things right - the thing that gets me is I can't defend muhammad and his hadiths. And it's clear that sages and people along the way within the religion understood the assignment It would just make my life easier - the name and aesthetic of mine is already suited for it, it would be easy to build up in that world. But holy eff, there's sooo many problems with muslims and those people in general - the thought of being associated with them drives me up the wall. I thought about being christian but honestly I live in a white heavy city in the west , I've lived long enough to know without certain traits I'll never be accepted by these people.
>>42429039You'd be accepted with open arms in many Christian communities. There is something to be said about having the same spiritual community as your family though.
>>42429039Being associated with evil retards is actually an essential part of the spiritual path and the fury that you feel about it is something that God wants you to overcome."No true spiritual guide has ever appeared whom God did not try with someone who wronged him either openly or behind his back." Ahmad al-Alawi"No prophet is accepted in his own country." Jesus Christ
>>42429116ok , but which lane should I take?
>>42429123Take the most direct path that you can bear.
>>42429131so probably islam then, I think I have to move - I burned my reputation with the local community a long time ago lol , its been years so maybe things have changed and moved on. But many many people from my time knew I became irreligiousits also a challenge about muhammad being gods last messenger, like what a strong statement to make - its so arab centric as well , and I'm not arab I'm from the wider islamic world so it feels like bending the knee
>>42429156My problem biggest problem with Islam is the idea that submission is a full solution to pride, when people easily confuse to whom they should submit and when. The modern Christian account answers the when, but without the book of Enoch, the perils of confusing the holy and unholy are not addressed directly. The problem is reduced to one of false idols in the time of Moses instead, and that's a disservice.
>>42429156I myself wouldn't even consider a religion that didn't make the strongest possible statements about itself. If it is from God then it must at least claim to be the highest authority in the world. Whether it originates in Arabia, India, Palestine, etc. is secondary, but it is also important to bend the knee. You will be trying to kill your ego anyway. This includes your reputation, so don't worry about that.Every religious community today suffers from serious problems. People are very materialistic even when they make a convincing show of piety. It would be foolish to choose based on your esteem of other believers or even based on the teachings' agreement with your own opinions. Opinions are fickle and uncertain by nature. You will be letting go of those too in due course, as they come from ego. But there is indeed a God who will lead you rightly if you allow him to do it. His grace is a very personal and hidden thing. Prove this assertion true or false for yourself by giving it a try.
>>42429204dang , good argument desu >>42429184>My problem biggest problem with Islam is the idea that submission is a full solution to pride, when people easily confuse to whom they should submit and when.I mean technically all you're submitting too in islam is the one true god whatever that they be - in gnosticism it would be Sophia, in christianity - The Father, etc -- I think they use that allegory because its an allegory that 8th century slavers would understand
>>42429156>its so arab centric as wellIt's intentionally as Arab supremacist as it's sibling judaism is jewish supremacism but Isaac is replaced with ishmael as Abraham's favored son and (ba'al)lah as the tribal patron diety turned one god instead of yahweh.
>>42429224>whatever that they beThere are opposite accountings of it, meaning one must choose. The bible says spirits of Satan will come as figures of light and preach false gospels. Islam accepts Muhammad's encounters with figures of light as God, submission is not questioned. The result is a narrative that contradicts itself, and a leader who claims God told him to lie. That is not an accounting of Allah that aligns with God, be it accurate or not.
>These are words spoken by Him-Whose-Names-Are-Hidden, the Lord of All, as He speaks before those who silence the storm during the sailing of the company of Re: >Hail and Peace! I repeat to you the Four Good Deeds which my own heart and mind did for me in the midst of the serpent coil of evil, in order to silence the turmoil. I did Four Good Deeds on the threshold of the horizon.>I created the four winds so that every person might breathe in his or her time and place. This is one of the deeds.>I created the great flood for irrigation so that the humble might benefit from it like the great. This too, is one of the deeds.>I made every person like his and her fellow; and I did not command them to do evil. It was in their own hearts and minds which caused them to disobey that which I commanded. This too is one of the deeds.>I made the hearts of men and women so that they would not forget the day of death, so that sacred offerings might be made to the divine powers of the districts. And this too is one of the deeds.>Thus, I have created the divine powers from my sweat and humankind from the tears of my eye.
>>42429224FWIW: I knew that I was a Christian when I read the Gospel of John, and of the Christian communities the Catholic Church makes the strongest claims about itself. Without a papacy, it seems dubious to even speak of a Church of Christ, as even the Levitical priesthood that the Christian clergy superseded had a high priest whose official teachings were considered equivalent to prophecy.Islam is categorically different, with no sacrificing priesthood, no universal pastor, no mysteries of faith, and no public miracles to confirm it. The only miracle is the Quran itself, but it does seem miraculous to me. Christianity has nothing like sharia, no revealed civil law. It lacks a sacred language; there are liturgical languages such as Koine Greek and Latin, but Arabic is so sacred that the Quran is considered untranslatable. While there are no mysteries of faith in Islam, there certainly are mysteries in the ancient sense, viz. sufism. In this last respect Islam takes on the appearance of something more than a religion, which Christianity itself never does; that is, Christian esoteric traditions appear as something distinct from the religion itself rather than a certain aspect of it, and it is sometimes asserted that these traditions derive partly or wholly precisely from Islam.Muslims and Christians say all kinds of nonsense about each others' beliefs, but ostensibly, any divine teaching authority would in the first place be restricted to the deposit of faith that the individual teacher has received himself. So I would not give too much weight to polemics. Personally, I don't perceive any true contradictions, but I'm also not going to convert, nor can I give advice about a religious form that I haven't practiced.
>>42429308>It's intentionally as Arab supremacistthis is one of the reasons I left , even if Muhammad himself clearly said in his last speech that there is no superiority - his people have not taken message to heart, but this would be something I have to live with >>42429332>here are opposite accountings of it, meaning one must choose. The bible says spirits of Satan will come as figures of light and preach false gospels. Islam accepts Muhammad's encounters with figures of light as God, submission is not questioned.This was another alarm bell , its a very tough call
>>42429039Have you considered the fact that you could be an NPC? Real people seek and accept truth even if it goes against their expectations and desires. NPC's just want junk manmade religion that suits their degenerate lifestyles.
>>42429039theyre both morons who think I am evil. Let them kill each other. When the dog and the cat fight the mouse is safe.>>42429636Jesus said I can get fucked in my ass and still be one of his folloers.
>>42429753>Jesus said I can get fucked in my ass and still be one of his folloers.Chapter and verse?“¶ And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.” (Luke 9:23-24)“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” (2 Timothy 2:19)
>>42429636>Have you considered the fact that you could be an NPC? Real people seek and accept truth even if it goes against their expectations and desires.Bruh an average person that takes their religion spiritually seriously and not materially seriously and with the care and respect of what their leaders truly meant will go miles farther than any new-ager who thinks they got it all figured out.
