I'm seriously considering converting to Buddhism, but I don't want to just jump in because it sounds peaceful or whatever. To those who are already in it, what makes you completely sure that Buddhism is the correct worldview, the right way to live and the true path?Not looking for "just meditate bro" or generic self help answers. Give me the actual reasons, experiences or arguments that convinced you it's not bullshit.
as someone who has been fighting for buddhism spiritually for YEARS, there's a single line of thought in your mind>There's a life after this oneif you have this thought in your head, the system of Buddhism makes logical sense. Of course there's a system in the afterlife designed to give your soul another life. You think your soul was create-- sorry buddhism doesn't believe in creation, but you believe your soul is intended for only one lifetime? Not the case in Buddhism.The key thought to believe in is "Yes there's another life".
It's not, it's a street shitting religion. If you worship anyone but Jesus Christ, you are retarded.
>>42440591is that even your own idea and thought? or something you were paid to do.Christianity is not the thinking man's religion. Buddhism is. Fuck off.That's why Buddhism has Koans and has the teacher-pupil relationship dynamic that monitor's a buddhist follower's progress in the religion.
>>42440579>just meditate broThis literally is what you need to be told with the mindset you have, though, even from the emic logic of Buddhism itself. Look up "ehipassiko". It's 100% something you try and see, end of story. There isn't another way, and no amount of getting verbally persuaded is going to do anything for you unless you're just seeking to a cool philosophy to posture at in order to jazz up your inner landscape.
>there are two current buddhism generals>retarded makes another buddhism threadYou will fit right in with those moronic npcs.I highly recommend you get to work on never speaking again.
>>42440591>>42440624You're both retarded the true path is to send me a picture of both sides of all your credit and debit cards with the name numbers exp date and 3 numbers on the back clearly visible. Be sure to include the same address that the cards are registered to so I know where to send your salvation welcome kit. True believers should also include multiple photos of themselves their birth certificate social security card and a list of about 3-5 fun facts about yourself like your mother's maiden name and the name of your childhood best friend for instant rapture gains
That compassion seems to make it work?
>>42440591You are mentally and morally degenerate retard scum.
>>42440579>Not looking for "just meditate bro"LOLIf you ever actually have the capacity to understand Buddhism, you will feel so foolish for saying this.Ironically, the way you understand Buddhism is by meditatingBecause all the proof comes from your own perception changing precisely from the act of meditationBased on your post you think its just another religion to believe in or not, and some forms of Buddhism kind of are (Mahayana), but the original one? Siddhartha Gautama didn't ask for anyone's faith, he just said follow the way and see the results.And now you ask to see the results without following the way?You might be too dumb for Buddhism.I might enjoy being cruel to oblivious dipshits too much to be Buddhist too, desu, but at least I never posted something as retarded as "convince me that buddhism is true without having to do any meditation"
>>42440579It's the most ascended path of the religions because you're basically trying to meta break this shit through meditation. Being able to levitate shows mastery over the fakeness and gayness of it all. Indian yogis are impressive too because they do similar things with materializing objects.I think ultimately left hand path is the way to go though because it's not as restricted but buddhism is good too. I'm a bit of both because I want to magic-maxx.
>>42440579An exorcist once recalled advice he was given in his youth by a priest- "if you want to be a priest, and an exorcist at that, you have to do what jesus did. He went out and he learned the various religions." I had never heard of that before, but by then I was already pretty far along my own journey. Christ is the crux of reality, a microcosm of the macrocosmic manifestation of the emergence of consciousness from virgin nothingness. Whatever you learn will not contradict the spirit of what he taught. So go forth and learn, if you wish. It's your own sword to swing.
>>42440591Imagine being Rick Grimes, and not being allowed to kill zombies! That's what Jesus Christ means. So white countries are full of sodomite zombies from the Med and Third World.
buddhism is the most npc religion out there with no agency. its not a surprise most of its followers are shitjeets and chink bugmen.>end goal is to be without selfyeah no thanks im not getting absorbed in the trap of nirvana
>>42440579You basically have two choices, do something ambitious and suffer or give up all your mindset structures and receive supramundane pleasure. As far as I see it, there's no real converting to Buddhism. That's at least my take. Because right view is also no-view. If you have nothing ambitious to do and you're just eating sandwiches I'd recommend embracing Buddha, which basically just means don't embrace all the mundane so-called "pleasures" of common life. Then you get converted and have supramundane bliss of which we speak.
Multiple paranormal or straight up mystical experiences that prove it. Especially telepathical contact with an advanced practicioner - as far as I know, mind reading is not anything out of common for monks. alsoThe practices work exactly as desribed, for example Metta, Karuna or Mudita. Dana and Sila too, if you put attention to it.
>>42442389Oh but to answer your question more directly (on a second pass), when I was languishing in a Dark Night of the Soul type era, I struggled with metaphysics and morality for many days, and the fruit of that was a realization of sunyata (void). This void essentially cannot be doubted (and the Buddha says nothing), except:>Doubt is the TathagataIf you're inclined toward philosophy (this even more directly answers your question): Descartes doubted, but realized doubt is cognition, so he couldn't doubt cognition. ULTIMATELY,"Buddhi" means Intelligence in Sanskrit That's what the Buddha is. Christians absolutely seethe that there are any Arya. Metaphysically (so you may see my merits), in the Mahayana we end up Ominiscient, because Buddhi just is Intelligence.
>>42442402>>42442399you can also see the presence of the supramundane Buddha, where this guy talks about mind reading Omniscience and then the next post explains why good practitioners become Omniscient, without having read the post about siddhis. In fact he said the direct perception of siddhi proves Buddhism, and that supramundane (lokkotara) perception of the Buddha is what THIS post points out.
>>42442412And this is all very logical, because the point of mind-reading (so-called telepathy) is to teach Omniscience (Buddhi)
I'm just gonna spam my Dharma. Billions of kalpas before Sakyamuni preached the Lotus Sutra, a prior Buddha taught the same Law under the same circumstances. People think that Buddha means extinction but it really means the Intelligence of the Immortal who Never Comes or Goes. The Buddha is unborn, within all of us. In the Mahayana this means Intelligence. The Buddha as a supramundane lokatara neither comes nor goes, and is present for an infinite Lifespan across all time and space.As for rhetoric, how can you doubt that Omniscience just is the return to Space?
>>42440591Ironically after being enlightened and receiving the holy spirit the life of a Buddhist monk, was shown to me when I asked what was the next step while being in the I AM THAT state.
>>42440579If you want to get serious with buddhist philosophy, read about the Madhyamaka (maybe better a commentary than the original sutra, to get an overview). It gives all the crucial points, why the world is not real, not created, not ruled by a God but just illusion in the mind.When you understand this, following the path of the Buddha comes natural.
>100%this a fundamental error to the understanding of the very thing you are inquiring
Nothing is true, because everything is.
Just read the sutras with an open mind.Too many people approach everything with a critical mind. Whenever they want to learn about something, they go into it with the attitude of, "How might this be wrong? What holes can I poke in it? Where can I find confirmation that it's not true?" When you do this you will find what you are looking for without doubt. And you will stay stuck in your current views and ways, because that's what you wanted from the beginning.Instead, approach new ideas with the mindset of, "How might this be correct, from its own standpoint? What is this trying to say?"Your world will expand much more quickly that way. Growth requires you to allow yourself to be unsettled.
>>42442214Buddhism was modified heavily in east asia, their version of buddhism is mixed with their respective traditional folklore and not the same as original nihilistic indian buddhism. Chinese Taoists straight up believe that a human can become a god, you can become immortal, and in their mythology they believe in a group of immortal beings called The 8 Immortals with their own stories of how they became immortal. I also heard that Chinese people traditionally believed that nothing is really true and what you believe creates reality, and it was on an article about Taoism on a travel site of all places which was funny to me, because it was really interesting and seems like it may be true, and I found a teaching so significant from a travel site. It's like what >>42443153 said. My personal opinion is that Buddhism is not the sole, objective truth about reality. I think when someone also "shifts" or gets to the point where they sincerely believe the things it teaches metaphysically and about karma that it changes their reality to match it. I think that's what happened to me and it ruined my life. Buddhism made me really cowardly and defeatist. It made me lost almost all of my hope in existence itself ever being good again or ever. I elaborated more on this in >>42440955. Buddhism basically gave me the spiritual/soul/metaphysical version of muscle atrophy. I don't know how to recover. It feels like I'm physically chained by my "bad karma" and life circumstances that resulted from it, but they don't even have to exist, because karma itself is also a belief and not an objective truth. Ramana Maharshi also said this, I think he's the only Indian teacher who ever said that karma isn't necessarily real. He said that karma is only real for those who believe in it.
>>42440579esoterically, both christendom and buddhism are the same. i used christendom, but this also applies to judaism, islam, shamanism, etc.because in the veiled core lies monkhood.in buddhism, the veil is weak, i.e. its much easier to decipher the allegories and symbology.the core issue according to buddhism is "desire". this is not just any desire, though it is used as such, but it is lust. because lust is the mother of all other desires. if it were not for lust, there would be no reproduciton, no mortal life with all the things that come with it (hunger, greed, etc.)detachment from desire (not aversion) is the goal. the path starts with celibacy.now in christendom, this truth has been veiled very strongly in the allegory of the crucifixtion of christ:at the age of 33, christ was crucified at the place called "golgotha".33 is the number of vertebrates of the human spine."cristos" means oil or anointing and refers to your alchemical essen (the material aspect of which is your semen, but its not semen, everything has a reflection in this and the other plane).and "golgotha" literally means "place of skull".then there is this saying: "as christ descneded, so must he ascend".your chrism is produced in your skull (golgotha), travels down your spine into sodom and gmorrha. if you do not waste it, but keep it, if you have "oil" in your "lantern" (makign you one of the wise virgins according to that other parable), then christ ascends back up the spine through prostrations, goes into the skull and is turned into the "fire" of the H.S.in hinduism, this is called amrita. the churning of the milky sea produces it.it is hid in mythology as well, how the archetypical hero (you) has to slay the dragon (symbolic of lust), which is guarding a treasure (immortality).adam/eve were forbidden to "eat" from the "tree" (genitals) placed in the "midst of the garden" (center of human anatomy).1/2
>>42440579the tree is a tree of "knowledge ...).to "know" as in "Adam knew his wife and she begot him a son".thus, the saying goes:"know thyself" (know yourself, i.e. be celibate)because if you know yourself, you will come to know all of reality, as the microcosm is the macrocosm, God's will is done on earth as in heaven, these reflect each other, as above so below, as within, so without..PS: all religions hide it. not one of them straight out tells you it. because "yo, just go celibate" won't convince anyone. they are trying to leverage the sunk cost fellacy, to keep you going after 10 years of study.the thing is: celibate turn immortal and immortals require no reproduction. reproduction is a crutch of the mortals, for reincarnation to keep them going until their liberation. reproduction is the broad path that leads to destruction (death).every alchemical training (true religion) starts with celibacy. every other tradition is fake and gay.2/2
>>42440579The truth is in its simplicity and aim to see reality clearly as it is beyond the conceptualized, the empty illusions, the impermanent forms that come and go, rise and disappear like clouds on the sky.
>>42443190Why not view both current and new ideas with a critical mind>When you do this you will find what you are looking for without doubt. And you will stay stuck in your current views and ways, because that's what you wanted from the beginning.You're doing the opposite, you want to believe the new thing and so you do
>>42440579You can read texts at....>https://suttacentral.net>I'm seriously considering converting to BuddhismBut which sect?
>>42443366I think there's a difference between wanting to believe and wanting to understand. A liberated mind can entertain many contradicting viewpoints at the same time, without forming dogmatic attachments to any of them. That's why I specifically said to ask, "how might this be true, from its own standpoint?" in contrast to "how might this be an objective truth?"The world is co-created by many different consciousnesses, and the way to gain insight into all possible worlds is by being able to see from the viewpoints of others without superimposing your own judgementsI think it's from this multipolar viewpoint that the real truth then coalesces
>>42440579its a false religion because they dont believe in the self. convert to jainism
>>42443675Belief is the enemy of knowing.
>>42443840sorry let me rephrase that. buddhism is false because they dont know the self
>>42443877Who knows the self? The Buddha neither confirmed or denied a self because the self can't know itself and conceptualizing is clinging and therefore a hindrance to liberation. The one you think is the knower is Anatta, not self, the five aggregates.
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>>42440579there is no reason to think it's 'true' and no reason to help you hereyou can go fuck yourself
Probably, nobody will read this. But for anyone who actually wants a coherent answer: 1. There is no monolithic Buddhism, there are many Buddhisms. What links them is lineage; all vehicles, schools, and individual lineages are linked historically 2. It's not a mental belief, so not "true" in that sense. It's more like, to put it in Christian terms, if God came into your life in a very obvious way today, you might have good reasons to be skeptical about your mental interpretations about what is happening in particular (like, which version of God is this? Is this God worshipped by others? Is this something I can talk about coherently or is this just a part of my life that I live with now?). But something prior to mental activity would still be undeniable, something would be different. 3. The version of Buddhism I practice is Dzogchen. It's basically just methods to point out people's awareness to them. Not in a conceptual way, in a direct way. Awareness recognizing itself. There are two obvious results when this "enlightenment" (Tibetan: rigpa) happens: - kadag: you feel okay in your bones. Even when you're unhappy, even when awful shit happens, you are at rest in your heart of hearts. Like being on a permanent psychedelic vacation: deeply at ease while also feeling lots of intense sensations - lhudrup: your activity (mental, vocal, physical) happens spontaneously, of itself. This is both ordinary (taking out the trash) and subtle (your "self" is spontaneously composed according to the needs of the moment, then falls away when not needed) - you are not "aware of" the above; this is prior to/more basic than any movement of attention, like being aware of the dog barking outside; through this realization you "get underneath" ordinary mental activity...but it's not "you," it's rigpa...language fails here and beyond
>>42444028anatta is a false premise based on superficial reading of the human being. the soul overlaps every arising condition. the fact that cannot be conceptualized or pointed out it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. every living being has a self and its self-evident. the agregates help us to move though the world but they are tools, the self exist within the any living organism because they are in fact, alive
>>42444429Anatta is like people jumping into the air and then going "ahh yes, that brief moment of weightlessness is my true state. this gravity notion is an illusion that I have seen beyond with my practice."
>>42444461gravity is a fictitious force in general relativity thoughbeit
>>42444461well the agregates are ilusory in the sense they are tools that often we link to the self in order to have a better interaction with the world. you need to see the living being as a organism that has rise in complexity. jainism actually has a hierarchy about this"in Jainism, all living beings (jivas) are classified along a highly structured, hierarchical scale based on consciousness and the number of senses they possess, ranging from 1 to 5. The universe is densely populated with (8.4) million species distributed across these categories"
>>42444424How does awareness recognize itself? If awareness recognizes itself and regular activity returns after, then what?
>>42440591Christcucks seethe at Buddhism more than any other religion. I think it's because they always have a probability to convert an atheist. But not a buddhist, especially a westerner buddhist.
>>42440587>there's a single line of thought in your mind>There's a life after this oneYou know Buddhism isn't the only religion to claim that
It's not accurate to say that the Buddha only taught that there was no self or no soul. That is an immature and incomplete understanding of the dharma.The Buddha did not teach anything like a comprehensive system of metaphysics meant to replace innacurate systems. The Buddha taught about the human mind and human suffering, and about practices to relieve suffering. Metaphysical systems arose out of this later through things like the Abhidharma and Yogacara.What the Buddha taught was that attachment to views like "there is a permanent self, and all other views are false" only lead to more suffering, and are not conducive to ending suffering. The same is true of views like "there is no permanent self, and all other views are false" or "there is a self which is partially permanent or partially impermanent..." Any time an identity like this is drawn and attached to is delusion.But the Buddha saw that people were mostly suffering from attachment to this view that "there is a self," and so in order to counteract this poison he used the antivenom of "there is no self." This is because he understood it would alleviate the suffering of attachment to self. He understood the occasion for this partular medicine. But he also never taught to instead grow attached to "no self." He never taught that this was the only true view and all other views are false.In later Mahayana scriptures, where the occaision arises, he also teaches that there truly is a self. However, it is not the same as the mundane self that we have grown habitually attached to. The true self can be seen as something which is permanent and whose basis for existence does not change. The real referent for the concept of self is the Buddha-nature present in all things. But to know this "true" self without forming attachments to concepts like permanence is extremely difficult, and so he does not present this as a provisional teaching to people who are still languishing under the burden of self.
>>42443877>>42443675Seriously why do they have to sit in the most shin splitting fucked up sitting position why cant you just sit normally this is the one thing I hate about this stupid meditation I can't get passed how much pressure this stupid position puts on my joints why the fuck would anyone want to pray like this or go face down ass up like the muslims
>>42446734Among other things: >Unlike leaning back in a chair, a proper cross-legged position subtly tilts the pelvis forward. >Reduced muscle strain: This pelvic tilt allows the spine to stack naturally and stay straight without requiring forced muscle tension to keep you upright.>Optimal breathing: An erect spine opens up the chest and diaphragm, facilitating deep, unobstructed belly breathing
>>42440579>another X religion is true retarded threadYou can find truth in any religious or philosophical framework, you should worry about how they approach truth. Buddhism does it through sanitation of attachment/aversion and though dissolution. If you consider identity to be an important element of your paradigm then buddhism isn’t for you unless you change that.
>>42446734once you train lotus pose with one foot or both it leads to bliss. you don't need to fold both feet at first as that is an advanced yoga pose. jap kneeling is also effective. they are difficult poses don't get it wrong that they are supposed to be easy. lotus isn't that easy to maintain, but once you train to maintain it, it's actually quite a useful stance.
