>>42444052
Kind of. Buddhism is basically gnosticism minus the demiurge and the archons, and plus actual meditation methods.

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True, but I just think it's neat

>>42444052
chives are a psyop

Buddhism affirms that there is no real self beyond the mind, which doesn't make sense because if that were true, someone would still be observing that state of consciousness in order to report on it. If no one has, it means the philosophy lacks any empirical evidence. Gnosticism affirms there is One being experiencing itself in multiple. This is more in line with Advaita Vedanta, and more correctly Kashmir Shaivism. Gnosticism focuses heavily on the cause of suffering and the structure of the matrix system itself. In the East, actual methods are given for liberation other than "starve yourself and pray". I'm sure there used to be methods taught in gnostic schools but we don't have a lot of information to go on. The East on the other hand has preserved its traditions nicely.

>>42444061
>what is mara
No

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>>42444736
>Buddhism affirms that there is no real self
It's subject to dispute whether the Buddha of the Pali suttas actually affirms that there's no real self or only refuses affirm that there is a real self.

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>>42444052
Yes, I believe Jesus went to the east and studied the original teachings of Gautama Siddhartha. Christianity was always supposed to have the awareness of reincarnation at it's core. It explains everything about how early Christians threatened Rome with their existence, because death held no power over them. The ruling class of Rome had no recourse other than to convert and then corrupt Christianity from the inside.

>>42444736
"We are the universe experiencing itself", or "We are God split up into a million pieces" is an example of how religions become corrupt. We are not all one, although we do tend to have soul groups.

The practices of Gnosticism, much like original Buddhism, is basically "look inward", it's basic meditation with intention or questions.

There is a claim in Gnosticism that there are a series of themes to meditate on for a certain duration in order to unlock access conscious operation access to the Monad, or the part of you that's connected to the Monad, and this frees you of the traps of the reincarnation cycle, etc.

You got to remember, the fruits of modern Buddhism has fallen far from the tree. 99% of the practices that claim to be Buddhist today are basically fan fiction. The list of actual Buddhist practices in order to achieve enlightenment are small and simple and don't involve specific body poses, fasting, drugs, chanting, self-flagellation, etc

>>42444052
I kind of agree anon, but Gnosticism has the advantage of identifying that there antagonistic forces oppressing humanity and that overcoming them is the primary goal. A lot of it's cosmology is bunk and it still holds Jesus in high regard but it is still the only system that identifies YHWH as the tyrant he truly is. In they west we are still overcoming the enslavement of the Mesopotamian evil and Gnosticism is a natural pitstop in that journey. We will eventually reclaim our power and I suspect Eastern systems will become much more popular when we do. Personally I find Taoism the most appealing of the Eastern paths but Buddhism will certainly get some action.

>>42444052
>Gnosticism is Buddhism, but a bad, inferior form
More like both are inferior forms of Vedanta. One without a soul, and one with a false scapegoat.

>>42444052
The land of buddha is scarce, why would I abandon my hermit ways, for what?
My hair would clash with the colour scheme.

>>42445298
muh soul
>>42445329
muh hair
let em go and move on

>>42444996
>The list of actual Buddhist practices in order to achieve enlightenment are small and simple
go on and list them then anon

>>42445457
Yea and if they are so simple then why isn't anon enlightened? I am sure if pressed he would say meditation but wouldn't have anything you couldn't get from Wikipedia about it.

>>42445391
>muh proselytizing
Buddhists are so full of desire to convince everyone they are right.
Just see how they cant let this go unanswered.

>>42444052
>Abrahamic canon
>canon
More like Jew groupies, Jews aren't "Abrahamists" they're matriarchal and don't do ancestral worship. The rabbinic "jews" and christian "new jews", mudslimes, uhm...
They're definitely influenced by Gnostic and Zoroastrean ideas. Ofc it probably goes both ways on some level, but Gnosticism is older and more mature than anything faux-Jewish, fake Hebrew.
>>42445457
>(somewhere in Kundilayasutta...)
>"But hat benefit does the worthy Gotama live for?”
>“The benefit the Realized One lives for, Kuṇḍaliya, is the fruit of knowledge and freedom.”
>“But what things must be developed and cultivated in order to fulfill knowledge and freedom?”
>“The seven awakening factors.”
>“But what things must be developed and cultivated in order to fulfill the seven awakening factors?”
>“The four kinds of mindfulness meditation.”
>“But what things must be developed and cultivated in order to fulfill the four kinds of mindfulness meditation?”
>“The three kinds of good conduct.”
>“But what things must be developed and cultivated in order to fulfill the three kinds of good conduct?”
>“Sense restraint.

>>42445668
Aha, but I got you now. How can I sense restraint?

>>42444799
This is a good translation of this sutta.

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>>42445819
First a bit of context: all instructions in Buddhism are not concerning techniques, but about how to apply the natural human faculties of physical action, speech (subtler physical action) and thought (even subtler, and less steps removed from intent with that).
Simile of the Snake, The Most Beautiful Girl of the Land.
Done.

Sense restraint is developed in tandem with developing a taste for solitude and good friends; good friends are friends who do not leave you feeling worse in the time you're away from them, they support solitude.
The pre-stage of sense restraint is about learning when to remove yourself from a situation that makes sense restraint undoable. This is not sense restraint (or really even "Buddhist practice"; an Arahant does not need this at all) but damage control. It's a Buddhist practice only indirectly, e.g. if Buddhism considers it good and wholesome to have a minimally adequate shelter, a reading diet, a place to be alone by oneself, then removing oneself from a very stimulating situation to work on those things is indirectly Dhamma.

Then the actual sense restraint is learning where one's actions, speech, thoughts begin, and specifically with what intention.
If there are a few things you do regularly where you can discern if you're doing them to avoid a bad thing or get a good thing, where good and bad are a function of whether they feel good or trigger positive emotional reflexes in you, then you can start here.
Then what makes it Buddhist sense restraint is that the criterium to "act out" or restrain is, "Will it strengthen my tendency towards sensuality? Will it entrain me to become more reactive to pleasant and unpleasant feelings? Will it bring me more carrot and/or stick in the long term?", if it will, then you apply restraint for as long as necessary.
Circumstances are temporary but they can last for significant stretches of time, you may have to "sit with a feeling" for hours, days or weeks.

This is sense restraint.

>>42444799
>>42444820
I suspect non-self/emptiness is the Buddhist analogue of the Christian trinity, in that people unfortunately got confused about it early on and ended up settling on an interpretation that doesn't quite fit, which was only maintained by appeals to authority and treating it as a half-unfathomable mystery.

The Buddhist path is also not strictly time-linear, sometimes you have to backtrack, sometimes you have to scout ahead. It's most often a mistake to look into sense restraint to the exclusion of everything else (e.g. don't blow your whole entire budget on one thing, at least also study the overview I posted at >>42445668 and some of what it branches out to) but sense restraint IS vital daily practice for anyone unlike some things Buddhist such as monkhood.
It's just that learning how to make sense of sense restraint consciously and with discipline, rather than from vague habits and subconsciously, is not always practical to fast-track. It takes time to digest information and rework how you relate to your sense faculties and the sense objects in them.

>>42446066
Instead of "no-self", it's better understood as "not-self", as in the many things we attribute to our "personality" are really just conditional fabrications. That's the practical use for anatta, to shed the nonsense that we think is "us". What people get hung on is the metaphysical argument of what remains after and beyond, and I don't think the Buddha thought that was important to think about. All that theory doesn't help with the path, and when the path is completed you'll know that information anyway so leave it aside.

>>42446066
Non-self means that there is no permanent self that can be experienced, it's that simple. Whether there is a self or somesuch or not, it is outside the realm of that which can be experienced directly.
This is where Buddhism drew the line w.r.t. philosophy, "if it can never be experienced directly, why bother to inquire further?".

Renunciation provides the adequate context for transforming or uprooting notions that do insist they are or point accurately or even just know what "your true self" would be, it provides the necessary ground for realizations that go, "this is not mine, not me, not ownable, not my necessary intrinsic property". For a particular kind of disillusionment.

>>42446120
It has a broader purpose because it (self-view) constitutes one of the 12 chains in the cycle of dependent origination; it perpetuates and originates all your suffering, each link of it does so simultaneously.
The intellectual part helps ofc, but that is more about not being too sick to practice any real Buddhism to begin with. Indirectly beneficial and primarily of temporary value.

>>42446171
I see, so the real purpose of the teaching is to experience anatta itself (typically through meditation), which then will lead the practioner to drop self view, as they now see for themselves it doesn't persist, which then cuts one of the links that would lead to rebirth after death (the clinging of identity)?

>>42444736
To take refuge in the dharma, you need to shed the self (Ego) anyway.

>>42445626
> to achieve enlightenment
in 3 steps, like jesus taught:
> be balanced (righteous one)
> Shed the self (crucifixion)
> Advaita (between the good and bad thieves)

>>42446241
I believe it's experienced simultaneously with actual successful renunciation but I'm not totally sure, idk what you mean by meditation either so no point getting into it rn.
Yes, that's correct. It's supposed to be known as a kind of natural insight that can be cultivated, deepened, widened, what have you. It's supposed to be directly experienced, both through cultivating it and by getting better at recognizing where it's already present in your experience but so to say unlabelled.

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>>42444061
three nominalist reductionist slop in the catalogue posted at the exact same time. ''gnosticism' is a catch all term regarding DIRECT EXPERIENCE. It's not a single religion. Fuck off.

>>42446304
It's an -ism, it's a cluster of real traditions made of real people, it originates in Greece and some of its Greek ideas have been absorbed into pseudo-religions like christianity islam rabbinic jiddism.
Muh innocent and pure 'nosticism.

>>42446358
Everything is a fucking -ism anon

>>42446365
My jism ain't no -ism, anon.

>>42444052
80% of gnostics here hate God, they are not turning to Buddhism.

>>42446443
Buddhism is about to turning into a vegetable that live on water and sun and disolve into a plasma made of light then disolving into absolute.
At that point a life of pleasure and pain and reincarnation is more enjoyable if you can turn pain into pleasure and vice versa. This is why most follow the Luciferian or Satanic path.

>You submit to heaven
and are bond to the order.
> You submit to tearth
and are bond to the self.

This is the game.

Buddhism is another demonic Jewish subversive patchwork religion of stolen Aryan wisdom and knowledge.

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>>42446498
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>>42448071
Good thing I am more than twice that I guess.