they tell us we were breeding all these unique dogs very rapidly, creating new ones constantly between 1600-1850, then suddenly "stopped" being able to. things like collies that innately know how to herd sheep and cattle. this directly defies evolution. how did we give this dog a literal instinct to do that? it does not pass logic tests. supposedly we, humans, were able to give a dog a genetic instinct that evolution claims should take hundreds of thousands of years to imprint, very quickly. this may tie into tartaria or something for all i know. lost hidden technology from a purposely erased and altered history.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-U-lNOOpFn8
before anyone says "we still make new dog breeds today" no, we create genetic freaks, deformed abominations. we can not imprint new instincts into them. we just mix existing breeds together and call it a new breed, or have then inbreed so much we call the resulting deformed worthless low iq short lived abomination a new breed. but the REAL breeds from the 1600s-1850s (or whatever exact time range) are long lived, smart, healthy, and have instincts built into them to do certain things. it can not be explained.
>>42449291>>42449286Maybe because there is a short window to make breeds before they become genetic freaks.
>>42449286>>42449291I don't know much about dog breeding, where are are you getting this information from?
>Suddenly "stopped"False.>Defies evolutionDebatable.>We gave the dog instinctMore like refined a natural talent that required human touch to maximize efficacy.>Hundreds of thousands of years to imprintWho says that?Is it so hard to believe that there were dogs way back when that were just naturally good at herding other animals, primarily for their own food sources?That we could take an innate talent - refined and specified to be for just the shepherding and not the slaughter after - and improve it rapidly through a species that breeds faster than us. This is what you're getting held up on?The only reason we don't imprint "new instincts" is because we've basically maxed dogs' stats out on what they can do. It's all just hybridization at this point. Not to mention wild dogs that spot you walking your dog, or prowl around your fences (like hyenas and wolves), will adapt to the nature of what they see 'cuz they're not totally retarded and go, "hey those dogs walk with Man, let's emulate their behavior."So basically the world's pool of available genetic adaptation for dogs is relatively small for the time being, until something catastrophic occurs to force dogs to begin breaking out of human domestication.
>>42449664KEK sorry I meant coyotes not hyenas. Brain went on auto-pilot.
>>42449286epigenetics.records superimposed on DNA and passed onto offspring.
just to clear it up totally:E P I G E N E T I C S .
>>42449286>selective breedingpotatoes used to be deadly before we started cultivating them. wild mustard became kohlrabi, kale, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage and brussel sprouts...
>>42449764>potatoes used to be deadly before we started cultivating them.this is the kind of crazy shit that makes no sense if you think about it. how did we make them less poisonous? get two guys to eat them and whichever potato makes the guy least sick you plant that one and throw the other away, and repeat 10,000 times (which would literally take 1,000 years)? see what i'm saying how it makes no sense?
>>42449774Someone hasn't had children, or hasn't helped raise them. Children will eat EVERYTHING if you aren't on top of them. A lot of discoveries came from accidental ingestion of items. Hell, even adults accidentally ingest stuff. It's how we discovered aspertame.The other method was from starvation desperation. You get desperate, eat something other animals are eating. You don't die, but keep cultivating them. You start selecting plants that make you less ill, and eventually you get something paletable.We've done this in the modern day, by the way. Foxes and Marijuana come to mind. The problem you are talking about is because we currently breed dogs for looks and not behaviors.
>>42449286There have been recent new cat breeds thoughhttps://www.catster.com/cat-breeds/newest-cat-breeds/
>>42449855I think it's because there's very little practical reason to make new dog breeds. Work-based breeds are established and anything moving forward is just maintenance or small refinement. Your average dog owner is satisfied with "a dog" that's sized to and possesses a temperament fitting their lifestyle. No reason to make new ones. You get heckin' wacky Reddit level crossovers, though.Cats on the other hand have never had a purpose beyond pest control and companionship, which all cats fulfill without any extra breeding necessary. So, you'll see more cat breeds made purely for hobby reasons, plus cats are just smaller and easier to manage.
>>42449799>You start selecting plants that make you less ill, and eventually you get something paletable.you would die long before that had any noticeable effect. it takes 100 generations to make that kind of change. 100 harvests. aka 100 years.
>>42449855literally all just inbred house cats.
>>42449944I do 2-3 potato harvests in a year
>>42449944It doesn't, actually. You can do it in one season.
>>42449286>then suddenly "stopped" being able toNever happened.>evolution claims should take hundreds of thousands of years to imprintYeah, because evolution isnt directed like dog breeding programs are.
>>42449799Yeah, but why go back to a toxic source of food and breed it instead of just finding better crops?
>>42449799>Marijuananot the same anon, but IDK why but I feel like a lot of melancoly for this, for some reason.like they finally killed weed and we will mis this drug forever, we will never have stoners again.mind you, I am completly sover of any drug most of the time, and have never done weed.
>>42449286And another weird thing are house cats. Dog have been bred into omnivores that can live without meat, but without special feed, cats would die without meat. And there are many breeds of cats, so it is not like they never had time to change into at least being able to incorporate more plants in their diet, not like all vats are used to hunt. Heck, there are hunting dogs, and they can eat vegan.Also, pigs ate weird because from my understanding, they revert into boars very rapidly, like within a generation or so. Something to do with hormones. But them how do pigs that live in bigger enclosures not have their metamorphosis hormones activated.Another thing to think of is how did supposedly much less knowledge people know how to do selective breeding?
>>42450011We don't know the entire history of potatoes in this context. It's possible there was a wild cultivar that went completely domesticated from being less toxic enough, or even non toxic, to a degree that any wild examples were harvested in totality to the point of wild extinction.Also, ask the Chinese and west Africans why they keep eating absolutely toxic crap.>>42450044There is also this. Many plants change presentation in domestic environments within 2-3 generations. They want to be harvested. It propagates their species symbiotically.By the way, tomatoes and tobacco can also be cross bred with viable offspring.Ignorance of how things work is not the same thing as things not working.
>>42449286OP, pay no mind to these small minds. It doesn't make any sense. I also had this same thought recently. Tartaria stuff is the correct avenue of exploration I believe. Quality post. You get one updoot from me.
>>42450152Nah, ignorance and stupidity is a wild drug. People who deal with these things irl explaining how they work falls on deaf ears when those ears are too stupid to comprehend the message. Having a sub 120IQ or being Indian must be wild. System upon system, harmony and dissonance being sunf around you, and being unable to perceive it is a legitimate disability. And we are surrounded by you.It's kinda frightening.
>>42450152Same anon, adding to my thoughts: many people are unwilling to face the humongous mountain of ignorance which looms over them at all times. No one knows even close to everything, and even if you multiplied all the humans together somehow (which is impossible), we still don't know anywhere close to everything. We still barely know 0.01% of what there is to know, and even that knowledge is suspect due to the fallibility of information transmission, the liars problem, and nobody knowing how to retrieve information stored in a brain. We know basically nothing about anything. One thing I'm pretty confident about though is that most humans are incredibly arrogant and insecure about their own massive ignorance. What's kind of ironic from a God's eye point of view is that most humans are even wildly ignorant about how ignorant they are. I know that I am incredibly ignorant, that I know basically nothing, at least I know that, to some degree of knowledge. But yeah, ignorance the level of ignorance is pretty funny to me. No one knows to a certainty how a sheep dog does what it does, or why it works, or how it came into being, and yet they fight you OP. They scoff at you. Keep on the track you're on, OP, you're one of the smartest ones around because you think for yourself.
>>42449286>then suddenly "stopped" being able toThey can still do it, there’s like 5 different kinds of pitbull. Unfortunately, that’s the only breed of dog which shitskins care to own though so the future doesn’t look good
>>42449286there was a great doc on this that showed how you could breed for tempermant and the dogs would rapidly change shape, like small house dog from wolf in three generations. they don't want people thinking too much about temperament being reflected in phenotype though.
>>42449764>>42449774>Makes no sense!Because you don't immediately die from this stuff, you might get a stomach ache or something worse, but typically the ones that aren't as poisonous will taste more mild and agreeable.And there are traditional preparation methods that reduce toxins in pretty much all of these "poisonous" foods.Basically this is all pop-sci exaggeration. The level of deadliness and poison just isn't there>Repeat 10,000 timesThe moment you do it once you've done it 1,000 times because you might plant 1,000 potatoes. This stuff happens at scale, some farmer will plant several thousand potatoes in a given year and a few thousand other people will also do so, so you have a million potatoes all being selected for best tasting - which typically means least toxic.>>42450011The actual answer to this (I know because I'm a lifelong forager and not a pseud) is that wild tubers are the single most calorie-dense crop in the world when you're a forager. Grain doesn't come close, neither do fruits, which perish and have a short season, wild tubers can be harvested at multiple stages of the year, are hardy and prolific plants due to having large energy stores in the form of tubers, are easy to propagate - plant the tubers - easy to store.There are no "better crops" than the potato and it's still the most calorie-dense crop by far. Tubers are just the best food in the world to forage for, for some more examples there were the camas indians that ate almost entirely sweet flower bulbs.And almost all plants are toxic, what a plant is is sugars turned into cellulose with some still left to use for energy, so that things don't eat the plant it makes itself fibrous and toxic to defend itself. It hides the tubers underground where they must be dug up, and it only puts energy into growing seeds in bursts, developing for months before suddenly filling said seeds with oil and sugar - what animals eat. So they survive by being stingy and poisonous.
>>42449286Genetics, DNA, is a scam.
>>42450478>they don't want people thinking too much about temperament being reflected in phenotype though.Yeah it's seem all of this is not nearly as "immutable", as we've been told to. Also makes you think that humans are also domesticated.
>>42449291idk much about this but the Lycan Sheperd is a totally new breed
>>42451045Yes, humans are domesticated. Non-domesticated humans have personality disorders, Axis-II in the DSM. People don't like it when you bring this up, however.
>>42449286I see how this seems strange. The truth is, we're not evolving new dog breeds, now, because we don't need to. In the past, breeds came about, incidentally, due to breeding specific qualities that were desirable for specific tasks. Dogs that were used for retrieving prey and brought the prey back, rather than consuming it, themselves, were rewarded with better treatment and, often, were the ones that got bred (not due to an understanding of genetics; just because they were "better dogs"). Some smaller dogs were better at hunting rats, so the smaller, faster dogs were bred more. Ditto for dogs that could attack intruders, pull sleds, gently round up livestock, etc.. As these traits continued to be bred, generation after generation, different breeds developed (sometimes for temperament, sometimes for physical traits, whatever was best for the job).For thousands of years, dogs were work animals. Dogs don't do as many jobs in the present day and are kept, far more often, as pets. Now, since they're not working, people breed them for traits that "look nice". A lot of these traits cause physical problems for the dogs, but, since we don't need them to keep our flocks safe or homes free of rats, we don't care about keeping them healthy. Thus, we having "genetic freaks". They wouldn't be good workers, but we stopped breeding them for that.
>>42450592Thanks Samwise! Good post
>>42449286Magnets, how do they work? Case closed.>>42449664>>42449688>>42449893>>42450478
>>42449286Sheep herding only works if you remove the rams. A ram could badly hurt a dog. It's the same with herding bovines. No bulls. Human society is like that too. Many fake males.
>>42450044>they revert into boars very rapidly, like within a generation or soIt's even crazier than that. An individual pig reverts into a boar within a few months of being in the wild. Like a werewolf transformation or something, lol.>Another thing to think of is how did supposedly much less knowledge people know how to do selective breeding?I genuinely believe the last era (few hundred years) of people were very advanced. Probably had genetic engineering technology or at the very least access to incredible knowledge of some kind. All this was covered up by the elites though, probably after the last reset happened.
>>42452528>An individual pig reverts into a boar within a few months of being in the wild.Because they are the exact same species.You know what you'll NEVER see? A pig turn into a javelina.Because those are different species of pig.
>>42449954As are dog breeds
>>42452528>An individual pig reverts into a boar within a few months of being in the wild.How fast can i speedrun becoming monke in afriKKKa?
>>42452627Sus scrofa vs sus domesticus
>>42452691argumentum ad verecundiam>You know what you'll NEVER see? A pig turn into a javelina.
>>42449696best post in thread.
>>42452699oink :З
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>>42449286>Want an animal with a specific behavior>Only breed two animals with that specific behavior, do not breed animals who lack that behavior>The behavior has a higher and higher chance of carrying over each generationInstincts 101 buddyStopping probably had to do with the morality of it. Mexicans are still doing it though, they create midget shitbulls and post them on facebook.
>>42450044The other anon said it already but i can confirm if a pig escapes from our barns they will turn into a boar within weeks. It's very interesting. It's only happened once to me the others that get out we get back quickly but one disappeared and they were found a week or two later already growing fur and tusks appearing. Something about keeping them happy and fed lets them stay how you would recognize them. They are extremely instinctual too you can literally control what direction they walk by standing at a certain angle from them I'll post the chart here for your amusement. If you stand in the light blue section obviously not that close but in general in that area, the pig will instinctually move forward
Dogs aren't /x/ but all shitbulls should be euthanized
>>42455454Just thanised
