What if the real control mechanism isn't hiding specific truths, but making people believe that truth itself is inaccessible?Through philosophy, religion and ideology, people are taught that nothing is absolute, everything is perspective, and any strong claim to truth is naive or dangerous. Once people accept that, "truth" can be reframed whenever needed.It also serves divide and conquer: give every group its own version of reality and they will fight each other forever, instead of whoever shapes the frame.I don't claim to know what is behind it: elites, governments, institutions, demons, or just a self-reinforcing system.Do you think this is true? How the fuck would you even combat this? Do you just escape? Am I so far fcuked already? Is me thinking that I can't combat this already a plan in work? What do?
The deepest truth I have ever found is under the influence of psilocybin, DMT, or Mescaline. It's a kind of "unicity" of all things. The closest I got to that WITHOUT drugs in certain practices of the Sufi order. Even as I write this, I must admit to myself the truth: that I don't know the truth.
>>42458400>religion and ideology>taught that nothing is absolute, everything is perspective, and any strong claim to truth is naive or dangerousJust that it's the direct opposite.
>>42458488Yeah, contradictory post like it's some chat bot spewing forth shit
>>42458400they try to reinforce all your false beliefs, which acts as a bifurcated attack to erode your belief in true things. They rip all of your thoughts directly from your mind to accomplish this and then moralize at you.
>>42458488Wdym? Religion and ideology distract from simple truths like kill=bad, slavery=bad, etc. >>42458701I just feel very demoralized whenever I am trying to get to the truth of things. Maybe reality is just like that
>>42458744Religion and ideology usually teaches absolute doctrines with strong claims of truth, only 1 view is the "right one" and all other views are wrong/heretic.
>>42458782Well that's the thing, those aren't static de facto and depend on generation, but made to look as if they were some concrete stands. Do you think commies today and commies 40 years ago have same ideology? Their truth is molded to fit the current context and goals. Same with any religion, although there are differences. I'd say that anyone who thinks that, Christianity today and 1000 years ago are the same thing, and the Christians too, is in fact absolutely mentally retarded and delusional beyond saving.
>>42458400>Through philosophy, religion and ideology, people are taught that nothing is absolute, everything is perspective, and any strong claim to truth is naive or dangerous.There are religions, philosophies, and ideologies that say this.There are also religions, philosophies, and ideologies that dont.
>>42458812>Christianity today and 1000 years ago are the same thing, and the Christians too, is in fact absolutely mentally retarded and delusional beyond saving.Pretty sure everyone here agrees Christianity changed over the years.But what Christianity TEACHES is that the truth is singular, eternal, and unchanging.And your point in OP was that religion doesnt teach this.It's hypocritical, but Christianity and plenty of other religions very explicitly say "Here is the eternal, ultimate truth."
>>42458400There is the other more likely answer, there is no such thing as truth.
>>42458400The truth is that the devil is in control of this world for the time being. Whether or not you expose “the cabal”, or murder them or send them all to jail you cannot stop what is happening because it isn’t within man’s control to do so. Another head of the hydra will sprout and the rot will continue to fester until the fated time where peace and justice will reign.
>>42458879Yeah they claim they have singular truth, but they don't. That's the point. Go ask 10 Christians who is God, who is Jesus, how we should live our lives. You'll get 10 different answers. It is even dumber when you start counting denominations.
>>42459493Well, how can you prove this? Why would you try to discourage me from fighting back? Do you understand what's the problem here? I can explain it better if you like
I recently heard someone say there is no such thing as objective evil. "A serial killer torturing his victims sees it as okay, like a predator killing its prey, so it's all subjective." This person is an idiot. A lot of truths are objective. They're called "facts".
reminds me of mgs2 other than that my mind is blank
>>42461246there isn't only objective evil, there is primordial evil that cannot be removed from its point in space and time. constrained to it's point by dimensionality, so there is nothing to fear unless you go right to it.
>>42461246You are just confused on definitions of objective/subjective. You won't find many people who think torturing is a way to show goodness and if that "muh feelings say this is wrong" argument would have worked then we wouldn't have such problems. Maybe ask interrogation officer who might have gained vital information to stop an attack etc. In his eyes not torturing to gain info doesn't even have to be bad or good, it is simply weakness vs. strenght. I really don't want to lay out these basic problems of philosophy which existed for millennia. The point I am making is that we don't have methodology to show a definitive objective good AND it is true which would always work. My problem with all this sophistry. I feel like I am poisoned and enlightened at the same time.
>>42461489The serial killer example is important, because it represents inflicting suffering for the sake of suffering. It is objectively evil by definition. Your example of someone inflicting pain for a "noble" cause does not fit this description, and is an example of subjective evil
>>42461548We often need to suffer to achieve higher goals. Suffering itself can't be evil. Good and evil are psyops of theists who can't see world anything other than black and white do to being too attached to their primitive brain intuition which didn't have time to adapt to suddenly formulated rules of formal logic. When God inflicts suffering, people say "we don't know why but there must be a reason". We suffer when we see our loved ones suffer, does it mean it is evil done to us? Killer is important in showing that even our strongest intuitions don't uphold to moral logic.
>>42459471>>42458400To enlighten is to deceive. There is only one truth.https://youtu.be/YD5AuHmopVAWhat’s in your head? Zombie?
>>42461797I am not clicking that. But yeah something like that, but it is too incoherent. I'd assume we all should have access it, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to me as I wouldn't even be able to know if I belong in that group to whom turth is available in principle. On the opposite, we already don't converge about truth. Confusion seems to be the main principle state of consciousness. You have to distract yourself from confusion, not so much to focus on truth, cuz it is too confusing
>>42459471>there is no such thing as truth.this is a truth claim brahhhh
>>42461903No. It denies truth rather than proposing one. It exposes self-defeating nature of proclaimed truth seekers. Logic they use allows formal proofs for things that are unobservable. Whats the worst these retards can do you? Say: mmm aktchually you are formally wrong okay???
>>42461903That contradiction is generated by the rules of discourse. It only becomes a proof about reality if one first assumes that logic reflects reality which is precisely what is under dispute.
>>42462174>if one first assumes that logic reflects realityOnly logic says you have to first assume that. By demanding this, you are giving up and conceding to one side.
