>>42476169

The 28 Nakshatras (Lunar Mansions). This is a crucial distinction from the mainstream 12-sign zodiac. While Western astrology is "Tropical" (fixed to the seasons) Jyotish is "Sidereal" (fixed to the actual stars).

Abhijit (The 28th Mansion): In most modern Jyotish charts, only 27 Nakshatras are used. The 28th, Abhijit, is often "hidden" or "removed."

The Esoteric Function: Abhijit is located in the constellation Lyra and is associated with Brahma- the Creator. It is considered the "Star of the Crown."

By removing Abhijit from the public consciousness, the "Controllers" effectively break the link between the lunar cycle and the 13th month.
If you multiply the 28 Nakshatras by the 13 lunar months, you get a nearly perfect solar year: 13 times 28 = 364

The "Year and a Day" (364 + 1) is a recurring theme in ancient mystery schools. By forcing the world onto a 12-month Gregorian calendar (named after a Pope, no less), the human bio-field is kept in a constant state of asynchrony. We are "off-beat" with the natural frequency of the Torus.

The problem is my sidereal chart is inaccurate and doesn't make any sense. Astrology is based off our collective consciousness perception of it. It's not a technical materialism thing.

>>42476220
>The problem is my sidereal chart is inaccurate and doesn't make any sense. Astrology is based off our collective consciousness perception of it. It's not a technical materialism thing.
whats your birth date an location then

>>42476183
> "Tropical" (fixed to the seasons) Jyotish is "Sidereal" (fixed to the actual stars)
I think the seasons are more important on our lives
I prefer tropical and Indians can keep their Vedic charts

>>42476220
It’s technically both but I bet you’re right handed

>>42476228
Basically it's telling me I'm a cancer sun and an aquarius moon when I'm the opposite of both those things. I spend all my time trying to piss people off on 4chan so I am not an empathetic cancer at all. I could use some empathy. Aquarius just pisses me off, I am not a wavy air sign and my internal world is not chaotic like them. I know what aquarius is like and I am the opposite of them. Those woke clown freaks are my enemy.
My normal chart nails me on everything and it has deep insights on me.

>>42476253
Well tell what "it" you used and what "normal" you used?

>>42476253
>Those woke clown freaks are my enemy.
not fair
some of us with aquarius hate those faggots too and wish we could sic hitler on them

>>42476220
Sidereal shows your karmic/soul substrate, while Tropical describes your earthly/incarnation Avatar. They are not mutually exclusive, just different but logical lens through which you can view your journey

The order of the signs is not random or without meaning, so if you are the previous sign as Sidereal, that holds its own meaning and the previous sign is the foundation for the next sign emerging.

>>42476499
Shut up lol

How can I utilize my 7th house Jupiter in Sagittarius?

>>42476817
Idk. Don't be lazy, don't overspend, don't be too moralizing. It's a good placement, difficult to fuck up.

>>42476169
I think the Western is more accurate, I mean, I don't care what shape, drawing, or name a constellation has, but rather its effects when the Earth or another planet passes through it.

>>42477002
most influential fixed stars are also consider


https://www.astrotheme.com/transits_ephemerides_chart.php#oFixes

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>>42477002
If you want to understand your personality and the "trajectory" of your personality via transits --> Tropical

If you want to understand your soul purpose in this life and the "trajectory" of it via transits --> Sidereal chart with Vedic concepts and interpretations (mixed with Tropical)

If you want to understand your soul's longing and intentions beyond life, body or earthly fate it embodies --> Draconic

I've thought of starting a "Let's test astrology" thread on here that goes
>post seven major aspects of your personality or life
>astrologers guess sign or other chart features
>confirm or deny guesses, or post chart
But I don't know enough about astrology to know whether this would work as a test according to them.

>>42478039
Tell me your date of birth and I'll tell you something.

>>42478039
Do it, I'll join

>>42478039
Sounds like fun bwo

>>42478039
Hardly. Astrology works with energies that exert much of their influence on an unconscious level. The whole appeal of astrology is gaining awareness of these unconscious dynamics in order to work with them. Most people don't really understand themselves very well and are even worse at offering an objective assessment of themselves. Your best bet would probably be to devise a test to determine the general elemental temperament of a person and to match the result with the proportional of the elements present in the horoscope.

>>42476817
>Jupiter in Sagittarius in 7th House
To translate this into a practical sentence for you to make better sense of the placement, Jupiter is how we grow in several ways like joy/contentment, wisdom or spirituality and also material ways. Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter and its main themes center around passionate exploration be they travel, learning or entertainment. Sagittarius is usually a comedic, youthful and outgoing sign. All of this is occurring in your 7th house and thus your axial properties are focused on outward growth and how you relate to others. In particular, this revolves around relationships you establish, contracts you develop and ways you collaborate.
In summary, Jupiter in Sagittarius in the 7th translates like this: your chart enables growth through relationships that help you explore your passions. To offer a little more commentary, the relationships you develop and the joy you experience in the exploration of the ways you relate to others enables your development, helps you find luck, faith, wisdom and so on.
Practically, the kind of steps you can take revolve around networking. Do some traveling, mention business ideas you have to people and be open to investments while you do it. Invest in things you like, things you're eager to learn about and or something like that. Maybe you open a comedy club in Taiwan or some shit.
Feel free to ask for more. I'm in a heavy learning phase. I don't mind reading for anyone either. There's not really any open threads currently unless I missed them.

A lot of people want to argue about what the "true" zodiac is, but it really comes down to which one works best for you. In the end, you came to astrology for advice and structure in your life, it was never about which one was 'true" it was about which one could provide this for you the best.

If you use a tropical zodiac and look at your chart and you read it and it makes sense and then you apply timing methods to it and those also line up with your life narrative pretty accurately, then you should use the tropical zodiac. But if you, like me, had difficulty with it and then heard about the sidereal zodiac and gave that a shot and then found it fits more accurately and the timing methods reveal more accurate information about your life story, then you should go with the sidereal zodiac because it is calling to you for some reason.

All the arguments you will ever hear based on some axiomatic way of thinking are just opinions. You have to actually test it and see which one works practically, not just theoretically.

>>42478039
>>42478991
Just because you feel shitty one month doesn't mean your life wont' flip upside down like you're Will Smith moving to Bel-Air next month. If someone gives us a description that their life is unraveling, it doesn't mean they're a scorpio moon who just can't fucking stop thinking about it. Maybe they're going through some strong plutonian transit and maybe their natal Pluto conjuncts their Moon, but next month they have a blast because their childhood friend comes to town for a while.
The lesson here, I think, is that bare reads are one thing and then transits are a completely different animal. It's not as simple as "tell me all about myself based on this vague info about me". Sure, we can give active descriptions at a base level, but what's actually unfolding in your life is dependent on what else is going on, not just what your chart reads.

Also, there are many ways to frame the sidereal zodiac versus the tropical zodiac.

One way to look at it is to say that the stars are the ones shifting alignment and drifting out of alignment with the seasons. Another way to look at it is that the seasons are the ones drifting out of alignment with the stars, not the other way around. Again, it depends on what your perspective is. Micro scale focuses on the earth and says the cosmic background is moving. Macro scale focuses on the big picture and says, no the earth is what shifts, not the stars. In reality, it's both, because even the stars shift against the galactic horizon very slowly and eventually the shapes of the constellations that we know today will be warped and distorted.

There is simply no permanence at all in nature, that's the bottom line. So you have to develop a different perspective. Here is how I look at it.

The gods spoke to humanity at a specific time in history when we needed them the most, when humanity needed some kind of structure, some glimpse of the hidden cosmic order, so that we would not just kill each other and behave like animals forever. They wanted to see us flourish and reach our fullest potential, so they assigned humanity "fates". To understand our fates they showed us how to use the stars and astrological signs. But the system they taught us was based on what humans at the time would understand and how they felt about things. If the gods had just shown us quantum mechanics day one, it would have been gibberish to us.

When we discovered precession, Ptolemy decided to ignore it. At that point, he stopped doing astrology and became a weatherman. Anyone who is using the tropical zodiac is a meteorologist, not an astrologer.

Anyone who uses the sidereal zodiac, even if it "doesn't make sense", is using what I believe to be the correct zodiac. The archetypal ideas the zodiac represents have always been embedded in the collective unconscious so they dont need to align with the year.

>>42476253
>talks about their sun sign and moon sign
>doesn't even mention the rising sign
>they can't even read their own birth chart
>thinks they are qualified to decide which zodiac makes more sense

every fucking time
EVERY. FUCKIING. TIME.
MANY SUCH FUCKING CASES.

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>>42476169
Jupiter and Venus are currently in my house under full moons, I think it's the right time to post this >>42466104

:)

>>42479164
>Jupiter and Venus are currently in my house under full moons, I think it's the right time to post this
Keep in mind Jupiter is exalted in Cancer and both are conjunct there as the greater and lesser benefic. This is extremely potent. Intuition abounds.

If you use sidereal, which ayanamsa do you use? My favorite is 0° Sagittarius at Sagittarius A* / the galactic center.

>>42479592
fagan-allen

>>42476832
thank you

>>42479017
Outward growth is so relatable to how I feel. I’m very unsure in what I look for in a partner. I’ve never had an ideal image in my head of my person. What kind of dream relationship would someone with my placement look for?

Here is another strong argument for the sidereal zodiac.

Most people don't know anything about astrology, and they just assume by default that their sign aligns with the constellation that's in the sky when they were born. I know this is true because I can go up to almost anyone and ask them about this and they've never heard of "precession" before and had no idea that the zodiacs were different. And always the immediate response is to discredit astrology. Like they think I've handed them the smoking gun and there's a big laugh about it, every time.

And if you go to India, they've been using sidereal astrology for over a thousand years now. Anyone over there, you ask them about it and they've either never heard of "tropical" astrology, or they just think we do it wrong over here. There is no doubt in their minds. And their system certainly does "work" for them, and it is not regional, it can work for anyone since it is based on the actual visible night sky. They also use whole signs and not placidus, so they have never had to deal with the issue of inproportional houses at different latitudes either. Their system is ironclad.

I am not saying we should all be practicing vedic astrology, I think hellenistic western astrology is just fine, but this idea that we MUST use the tropical zodiac just because the seasons inspired people a long time ago and the romans embedded it into their astrology is kind of silly. It's ASTRO-logy. And furthermore, like I said, people actually assume we ARE using the sidereal zodiac. They don't even know that their sun sign does not really align with the actual constellations. To me this is kind of a strong logic for why we should use the sidereal zodiac.

Even if you argue that we should use whatever the collective unconscious of humanity has accepted. Okay then by that argument we should be using the sidereal zodiac because nobody even knows what the hell a "tropical" zodiac is except enthusiasts and astrologers themselves.

Checkmate.

Like really think about this.

If I go up to someone and I tell them they were born under the sign of Cancer, what do you think a normal person would think? If they don't think I'm stupid and think astrology is bullshit, and they don't really know anything about astrology other than what everyone knows, that it's based on the constellations, then they are going to think that I just told them Cancer was the sign of the zodiac that the sun was within at the time of their birth. That's what they will think.

But that is wrong. That's wrong even if you use the tropical zodiac. We know that's just false. So, if you let them think that you are actually misleading them. If you were a tropical astrologer and you were honest, you'd mention it and let them know that's not actually correct. But do you think they do this? No! They never mention it. And if the person ever brings it up, they have a million ways to excuse and explain it away. But a lot of people don't even care about any of that and will just think you lied to them and reject astrology after that.

But now let's change the story.

Instead, what if you used sidereal astrology and you told them what their sign was based on the sidereal zodiac? Now the problem just VANISHES. Since they never knew the difference anyway, now they are going to do the same exact thing, they are going to imagine Cancer in the sky, their sun in Cancer. Only this time, THEY'RE RIGHT. You are not misleading them and you will never have to justify it or explain it or give them some excuses later on. And if they ever care enough about the topic to delve into it and find out how the signs originally got their significations from the seasons, and how it used to be based on a seasonal cycle that existed a long time ago in the mediterranian, do you think that is a difficult pill to swallow, compared to having to accept that the zodiac sign you told them they had wasn't even the actual constellation in the sky at the time? Get real.

/mic drop

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>>42476169
If I combine scorpio and ophiuchus into scorpichus, it's almost the same

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>>42476169
Schizo theory inc, it's my understanding that the Tropical chart is your fake "material ego" you use to accommodate the goy matrix and fit in. It makes sense thematically, you're been told to put on a literal fake version of yourself to appease people. That being said though, it's the most malleable part of your soul and able to be changed the most, which is why some people heavily relate to it because they themselves probably spawned in with those specific placements in mind before coming here. It's just a mask that you change around to fit in essentially.

Then I believe the Sidereal version is you soul's true ego, the one that sits outside of the material world and is tied more to the cosmos, which is why people call it the karmic destiny version or w/e the fuck. This is the one free from the material bullshit and projection, it's still malleable but it isn't nearly as vulnerable to corruption as your Tropical ego. I think people get mixed feelings about it because some people are more in tune with their soul than others. People who are stuck in the material realm more will only relate to their Tropical chart and find the Sidereal version completely off-putting, but if you're someone who's more in tune with your core being the Sidereal version will resonate with you more, and in some cases you'll identify with both (the case for me).

Then I believe the Draconic chart is the true core of your soul, the part that's near impossible to change without forceful effort. This is essentially the "essence" of who you are, it's like the DNA of your soul. It's probably something that has been carried over thousands upon thousands of times with barely any change.

I think if you want a definitive answer on who (you) actually are, you need to grab all 3 charts and overlay them. You can even spot some common themes across all 3 if you look close enough, like my 5th house in picrel for example. But maybe I'm just talking out of my ass let me know what you guys think

>>42481414
Fuck you, libracel

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>>42481426
>Thinks I'm a Libracel when I have the opposition with my Aries Asc and Saturn
Nope

>>42479983
You're still indian

>>42481475
Aries asc is overrated. I have it too. I'm nothing too interesting.

>it's my understanding that the Tropical chart is your fake "material ego" you use to accommodate the goy matrix and fit in
no, it's just you and the other soulless NPCs
some of us aren't people pleasing phonies with no true identity
for those of us, we really are how we appear

>>42481483
Yeah but my Saturn makes it interesting. If you're worried about being boring it's probably something else on your chart.

>>42481493
>people pleasing phonies
LOL, if you looked at my chart and genuinely thought I'm a people pleaser you have no idea how to read charts.

>>42481504
I don't give a fuck about your chart, what you said up there is stupid and if you were truly a real person you wouldn't be internalizing NPC metaphysics because you'd know better than that just by looking in yourself

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>>42481529
>NPC seething because I called it out

>>42481538
>still uses "I know you are but what am I" as a comeback
go shit in a street

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>>42481583
Awww, it's projecting now. Poor thing.

Hope it dies of dysentery soon <3

>>42481591
>clean it up janny.gif
can't take the heat huh?
aries asc and you're whiny little bitch

>>42476183
>While Western astrology is "Tropical" (fixed to the seasons) Jyotish is "Sidereal" (fixed to the actual stars).
WRONGGGGGGGG!!!!!!

Well, kind of. Jyotish is actually, more often than not, lunar-solar. This is due to the pancha & surya calendrical systems themselves being lunar-solar.

Indian astrology combines two (sometimes three) methods of astrology, all of which are meant to chart different things. To keep it simple, we will only mention two.

Vedic astrology does use the tropical zodiac of 12 signs. But this tropical system is used to chart seasonal cycles (primarily for farming purposes, but also includes some seasonal holidays).

The secondary (primary, even) astrological system is the sidereal, which is fixed to the actual position of the stars and charts the lunar cycles. This part of the calendar is meant primarily to consult religious/spiritual cycles (holidays, personal astrology, etc). The sidereal makes up the most important part of the Indian astrological cycle. Some people get confused and assume that because the lunar aspect of the Indian calendar is sidereal, that means their 12 star cycle changes. That's incorrect, because the 12 star cycle is solely relating to seasonal charting, not the actual astrological chart.

>>42481680
This makes the astrological system more intriguing, IMHO, and realistic to how we experience time. There's more we can get into on this, but I wanted to cover the minimum in this case as I've seen a lot of malarkey go around about the Indian astrological-calendrical system. Correcting these misinterpretations is important, because incorrect usage of the system has impacts on both the spiritual and material world (insofar as, destroying and affecting the ability for farmers, construction workers, etc from calculating - accurately - weather conditions)

Also the solar part of the calendar contains the earth & nature worship aspect of Indian religions. It's important to not neglect Pṛthvī Mātā either spiritually or materially.
A crime we are largely guilty of in modernized society.
>Inb4 surya is solar
Wrong
>Inb4 neo vedanta faux jyotish
Wrong
>Rest of post
Is interesting. Don't know how much I agree with it, but it's neat. I'd like you to elaborate on what you mean with regards to torus.

It's interesting also to consider the removal/hiding of abhjit in relation to how Brahman became sidelined in popular vedic religion.
>>42476230
Refer to above, saar.

>>42481617
Look at his moon sign in tropical. He may be larping as cool and above it all, but i remember him whining about how horrible his life is and his chart is.

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>>42481617
>>42481711

>>42481689
>Brahman
*Brahma (but brahman too)

IF WE WANT to get into real conspiracy here, the actual reason we have the Gregorian calendar is simple;

The pagans had a calendar system that accounts for the real experience of time. There are months that last longer than others. Even the Julian calendar still had its intercalary month.

That allowance for the real experience of time, however, meant pagans had hundreds of holidays. Pagan life believes in a balance between work & leisure, with leisure being supreme.

Christians, however, are materialists and they needed a time keeping system designed to control and coordinate every single moment of a peasants life. Paganism and it's real time allowed for the peasant to be embodied. Embodiment is not good for Christianity, which despises the body.

So, they tore out the pagan calendars and replaced it with mechanized time keeping. Doing so, they created a permanent slave force, where the peasants work constantly on behalf of the elites. This created a society of people who are completely dispossessed, disembodied and dissociative 24/7.

And because of that, excellent wage slaves, who's misery is so constant they cannot help but work & consume forever.

>>42481716
>>42481414
Libracel, i forgot to ask you. How did your saturn return go? Anything specific? Negative positive? Tell something highly specific please so it's interesting.

>>42482532
I let the fire out more, feels good man. And I say "I" because it's Rx.

>>42478110
Still here? not that anon but want you to read my natal chart.

Do NPCs resonate with Tropical and non-NPC awakened ones resonate with Sidereal? Or viceversa?

I don't understand why Sidereal fits some people while Tropical fits others more. There has to be something about the planets and aspects involved that bridge the gap, because only signs change after all but those are just a tiny part of the picture

>>42481414
Kek Aries Libra guy posts an akshual reasonable thought that I can relate to, even as his Archenemy and he already triggers a few NPCs

My job was done before I even began

>>42483017
If you're an arab or indian, stick to sidereal

>>42479749
>What kind of dream relationship would someone with my placement look for?
It's not quite like that. I'm not saying you're going to meet that special person you're going to spend the rest of your life with using this breakdown. Instead, we're more talking about how your chart grows and the main themes surrounding said growth. In particular, the way you grow is by relationships, contracts or other kinds of collaborative efforts which help you find joy, contentment, which help stimulate your desire to learn new things, to travel or generally try new things.
If we're talking about your love life, to be clearer, I'll need the fuller chart. Even then, this isn't exactly something I'm well-versed in yet. While it's mostly about houses and which planets are in those houses, there is some added nuance I have yet to familiarize myself with. I suppose if I'm going to get into astrology, this will be a focal point of any potential female clients, so it's not like I shouldn't start now.

Here's an argument for using tropical over sidereal.

Just look at the cultures that adopted each one. Look at what happened to the Roman empire after it adopted tropical astrology.

Oh wait, what Roman empire lul. They fell apart immediately after that and now they longer exist.

Now let's examine the cultures that switched to a sidereal zodiac, whether you like them or not.

Oh look, they're thriving globally and taking over the entire planet by sheer population count.

What the fuck else do you want here lmao, stop using tropical morons.

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>>42481414
If you were a stegosaur born in the year -145000000, on the first day of spring, around march 20, the sun would be in aquarius. I think it would not be appropriate to use sun sign interpretations from other ages and to only use sun sign interpretations from an age of aquarius.

The first day of spring in the year 3500 will also be in aquarius.

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>>42483058
My 5th house can't help but make the entire Capricuck matrix quake and shudder in seethe as I post 'emmies on /x/

>>42483017
When you realise both of them are an integral part of you then you should resonate with both. Like
>this is me
>but this is also me
And being able to distinguish what part of you belongs to what is the real key. People who only resonate with one are too far to one side, either too much of an NPC or too cut off from the material world. To be properly grounded and integrated you need both imo

>>42485733
tl;dr when you piss off both "sides" simultaneously you know you're doing something right

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Here is my sidereal natal chart can someone read and interpret it?

>>42486042
Here the aspects

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forgot image

>>42486042
I will not read jeetreal charts

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>>42486299
Here is the tropical

>>42486557
You're an authority defender and you are stuck in a constant state of upheaval.

>>42483501
Post tropical and sidereal charts for Roman empire and we'll see what the stars say, siderealet

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Years ago I saw a webm posted here of ancient symbols being based on historical night sky phernomena throughout history but can't find it again. Anyone here know what I am on about? One of the examples was an ancient egyptian crown being based on one of the phernomena around during the period. There was even something about the sunwheel too.

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How do I find a girlfriend with my incel chart? What kind of girls would I attract?

>>42487387
What do you mean incel? What is exactly fucking you over? You've basically got the same 5th Leo funhouse and Aries Asc as me (minus the Saturn) >>42481414

The only way I can see you being "incel" is if girls think you're overly emotional or something, though the entire thing could probably be blamed on your Scorpio moon. Scorpio placements are notorious for being NEETs because of their absolute refusal to step outside their own boundaries and open up to people, preferring to hide away like a NEET would. But I don't mean literally, I mean emotionally because it's your Moon. By the looks of it you have no problem approaching people, it's the deeper connection that's the problem. You've got Aries Asc and the 5th house Leo stellium which is a lot of fire, but when people try to merge with you emotionally it'd be a lot tougher because the Scorpio refuses to come out. They'd think wow this guy is really friendly, he probably opens up easily, but they have no idea how hard they have to push to get you to open up, so they might get bored or frustrated with you eventually. You need someone who enjoys the challenge of penetrating the psychological Scorpio barrier, like another Scorpio for instance, or someone that gives no fucks about the barrier like a Sag

>>42487550
Because your chart is similar to mine, I know what type of girls you absolutely would hate, and that would be mainly Capricorn, or just Capricorn people in general for that matter. The absolute WORST enemy to a 5th house Leo stellium are Capricucks, they absolutely kill your entire fun and jokester nature. Earth signs are your worst enemy, you need someone who's chaotic/weird, that's the type of energy that pairs well with the Leo/Scorpio combo. They need to be lively, but at the same time emotionally deep, if you try to pair with a shallow surface level whore your gut instinct is going to reject them with a passion. When you've got a water moon it's important to prioritize that connection almost above anything on the entire chart, water moons are DEEP connection, if you don't fulfill that deep connection with someone it's never gonna work out. Girls with Cancer/Pisces moons would be good, another Scorpio moon could work but it gets a bit spicy/dangerous at that point. Just make sure their top placements are Fire/Air signs, if they're too much water the relationship turns into a swamp of emotions. And stay the FUCK away from Earth signs at all costs.

>>42487387
5th house Leo Sun, loose conjuction with Venus in Leo and Mars in Leo. anon thats fucking goated for a sun (yes you have that pluto square sun and moon square sun too which arent so easy but still)
How do you think I feel with my shitty Aquarius sun conjunct Saturn. I am literally cucked by saturn.

>>42487648
Not him, but did you post your wheel? I'll try figure out why Saturn is cucking you if you want. I thought Saturn was cucking me too but it's literally my greatest weapon lmao

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>>42487767
thanks anon here is my chart