>>42485567
Are you aware of the Mithrareum beneath the City of London?

>>42485648
I am not!

>>42485567
What's the tl;dr on Mithras? Supposedly he was a Persian deity the Romans adopted, but they turned him into something completely different.

Best thread on this board (this board)

>>42485779
No content tho?

>>42485737
All of this symbolism is Anatolian. Notice the Phrygian cap. Where was Phrygia?
Funny because no one seems to know what to do with Anatolia until the Byzantine Empire. Are they west, are they east? Nay.

Another weird thing, to me, is how Phoenician the region of Phoenicia appears to be. Look at the pirates of Cilicia who ranged from the north Black Sea to Cilicia. They weren't so much in the Levant at that point, but weren't the Phoenicians also kicked out of there?

Me thinks there's a stronger connection to Phoencian culture than we realize. Me thinks Ionian "Greeks" could just be Phoenicians, but when the Greeks call the Ionians Greek, they are implicitly saying that Phoenicians are a brother race, which totally contradicts the myth of the Semite race.

You could also take the bullslaying as one of the primary rituals and compare it to the bull rituals on the island of Crete, which is were we say Minoan Greeks lived, but I think Minoans are almost certainly early Phoenicians. No one else has ever made Tyrian purple. Just the Minoans and the Tyrians.

>>42486254
>how Phoenician the region of Phoenicia
>how Phoenician the region of Anatolia

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>>42485669
For those that don’t know, The City of London is not metropolitan London. It’s the oldest part of London and was originally a Roman village named Londinium.
Today, it is an independent city state like DC or Vatican City and it is the world’s financial epicenter.
It’s is also known as the square mile.
In the 50’s a group of workmen stumbled across an ancient temple dedicated to Mithra underneath the City of London.
It’s just underneath the Bloomberg building.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Mithraeum

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>>42485567
>>42486254
Mithras is Scythian. Anatolia was not Phoenicia it was Phrygia, land of the caves.

The red felt cap began as the red fox worn by Scythian hunters, anons made several threads last fall connecting their worship of Mars to Mithraic soldier cults. Picrel too, much of Christianity (anything connected to Sol Invictus) is also about Mithras fighting, dying, and returning to fight again.

>>42485567
OK, what's the TLDR?

What was the philosophy or worldview of this cult? What were the practices? Where did it come from, what did it turn into?

what the hell is this?
the roman religion?

>>42486728
>Where did it come from, what did it turn into?
Where did it go? cotton eye joe

>>42486737
It's a Roman mystery religion based on the Persian Mithra, with Anatolian influence. Mithra was appearntly quite a popular deity in Anatolia as well, with inscriptions bearing the name "Miθrapata" being found in Phrygia in 2022.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygians

>>42486254
Cadmus, the founder of the city of Thebes, and inventor of the Greek alphabet, was Phoenecian.

>>42486254
Weren't the Phoenicians generally red-headed, fair skinned?
Meanwhile "Semites" were dark skinned, and black haired. It wouldn't be for another 1000 years that any Jew populations started appearing more European, from waves of migration.
I often see researchers suggesting Phoenicians were Semitic but phenotypically it seems like yet another case of Jewish stolen valor.

>>42486997
A majority of people in the Middle East were probably not as brown as they are today. The Arab invasions during the wars of Islam are what really browned the region.

>>42486997
Even look at Samaritans in Israel, they look whiter than many Ashkenazi Jews.

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>>42486997
Semites are an invented category. The Phoenicians, which we agree are not Semites, may have had a branch which wrote in Hebrew and wrote some amount of the content for the original bible (old testament/torah). That was my point. Then, you have some amalgamation of Arabs and maybe other fringe races who outbreed any remaining Phoenicians and replace them, producing what you think is a "Semite" race that also then claims the history of the people before them.

>>42486890
Good call out

>>42486540
>Mithras is Scythian.
And what is Scythian? Are we working from the same definition (pic rel)? Some people say that the Macedonian elite were Scythian, but that's a much farther ingress into Europe than the map shows.

>Anatolia was not Phoenicia it was Phrygia, land of the caves.
Would Phrygians be cousins of Scythians? Particularly if the Phrygians started wearing Scythian hats.

the little red hat is all over history btw,crazy stuff

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>>42486540
PS - found a more interesting map.
The Yuehzi are super interesting, btw. They sound like a lost Phoenician tribe or something. They're described as merchants who argue over money, and they are pale with red hair. I believe the Chinese described them this way.

Three more questions... We may already agree but want to throw these out there.
1. Is Buddhism related to Scythians? My understanding is Buddhism came from the Buda tribe which eventually found its way into Europe.
2. Who do Scythians originate from? My understanding is they are Andronovo culture, which is a southern PIE culture still fairly close to their homeland.
3. For how long have Iranic peoples (east and western, as the map shows) controlled the Silk Road? My understanding is that the early Sumerians were also Iranic, although not necessarily Scythian or part of the same wave of migration. I don't know how those waves might have gone.
I associate a lot of the development of beliefs and social structure as a result of the evolution of the Silk Road. If the Mediterranean was a highly navigable sea that led to occasional empires, then the Silk Road did too for the exact same reason: lots of valuable territory bordering it in many directions with many trading partners, highly navigable (by horse) within.

>>42485567
I really think Albrecht Dietrich did us a disservice by calling it the Mithras Liturgy based on an invocation of Helios-Mithras. The method of ascent is closer to classical Hermeticism and it's missing some very important Mithraic elements.

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>>42487113
>Some people say that the Macedonian elite were Scythian
How very interesting. Supposedly those who migrated west became Thracians, Dacians, and Celts too. The Phyrgians might have been descendants who turned the fox fur of the Scythian religion into the felt cap. I'd imagine it's also where picrel comes from, the tassle being the disguised slumped cone or fox's tail.

Come Thrace and the rise of Orphism is when I'd guess the Phrygian cap became symbolic of the mystery cults. Mithras may have been the popular facade rebranding but I think his motifs go back to Orpheus, Attis, and Adonis/Ba'al all of whom were more or less headquartered in the same region.

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I'm not even going to read the comments as I'm in not in the best mood.

I just need the gringos and the women, and some other people maybe to stop working with me.

They are violating me and my core tenets.

Thanks!

I really do feel like I need a year long purification ritual or something

HELP

Disgusting women and their cunts

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>>42486254
My Ancestors the Kena'ani AKA Ani Na Ke
aka The Phoenicians got around

From building and back stabbing/breaking up Babylon with the help of the Persians

to gifting savages bronze age tech as "Fallen Angels" to enslave them to myth operating systems to enslave them to gold both in mind and body as a form of control

All to spread civilization and cast a hidden web empire of control.
One the owns the trade lines and fuels both sides of all wars.
Like playing a game of chess with oneself to invent story.

In Mesopotamian myth, Enlil is the god of the air child of Anki who separates the primordial unity of heaven and earth.
named An (sky) and Ki (earth) respectively. This act of separating An and Ki created the universe 2900bc
This is Saturn castrating his father Uranus separating Uranus Heaven from his wife Gaia Earth so that he as Saturn may rule. This act also births Venus from Uranus's Nuts. 700bc
Born embracing each other, the air god Shu had to forcefully separate his children, the earth god Geb and the sky goddess Nut, to create space for the world and its inhabitants. Their close forbidden relationship continued even after the separation, leading to Geb and Nut having five children Osiris, Isis, Set, Horus, and Nephthys - Heliopolitan Ennead 2500bc
In the beginning, Rangi (Sky Father) and Papa (Earth Mother) were locked in a tight embrace, their children trapped in darkness between them. Their son Tāne Mahuta forced them apart, pushing sky and earth away from each other, allowing light and space to enter the world. Creation required the painful separation of unity. (Māori) – pre-colonial oral tradition

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>>42487251
Of old in the beginning, there was the great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements [planets] had not begun to revolve, nor the sun and moon to shine. You, O Spiritual Sovereign, first divided the grosser parts from the purer. You made heaven. You made earth. You made man. All things with their reproducing power got their being’ -Chinese Book of History (Shu Ching) 1000bc

The person, who presided over them, was a woman named OMOROCA; which in the Chaldean language is THALATTH; in Greek THALASSA, The Sea; but which might equally be interpreted the Moon. All things being in this situation, Belus came, and cut the woman asunder: and of one half of her he formed the earth, and of the other half the heavens; and at the same time destroyed the animals within her. All this (he says) was an allegorical description of nature. -Berossus around 280bc

Before creation, the earth was a vast, water-filled void inhabited by the chaotic crocodile-like monster, Tlaltéotl (or Cipactli) Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca, children of the creator couple Ometecuhtli and Omecihuatl, arrived to create order. They took the form of giant serpents and tore Tlaltéotl in half. One half was elevated to form the heavens, while the other remained to form the earth. The earth became a living, wounded entity that demanded nourishment via death and sacrifice. -5 Sun Saga 1011ac
This is also the division of Ymir from Norse mythology; from which The Earth was formed from his body and The Sky from his head -1220ac (recorded from oral tradition)

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>>42487251
>All to spread civilization and cast a hidden web empire of control.
>One the owns the trade lines and fuels both sides of all wars.
>Like playing a game of chess with oneself to invent story
THE PHOENICIAN SCHEME
1. Continuity of port elites across regime changes
Carthage > Rome: After the Punic Wars, many Carthaginian merchant families didn’t vanish - they were absorbed into the Roman trading class. Roman patrician houses suddenly had “new” wealth tied to Iberian silver and African grain routes that had belonged to Punic networks.
Ottomans > Venetians > Dutch: Venetian Levantine trading houses simply rebranded under Ottoman charters, then “migrated” into Dutch & Genoese ventures. Same families, same ports, just different flags.
British Raj > Indian Corporates: Families like the Sassoons (“Rothschilds of the East”) moved seamlessly from opium traders under the Raj into modern global finance.

2. Ledger wins over throne
Templars vs. Kings: French monarchy feared Templars not for swords, but for their ledgers. When Philip IV “destroyed” them, their banking infrastructure just re-emerged in Hospitallers, Florentine banks, and ultimately Venetian/Dutch models.
East India Company vs. Crown: The British Empire was run less by kings and more by a charter company with its own army. When the Crown “took over” in 1858, the same ledgers & administrators kept running trade.
Wall Street Bailouts (2008): The U.S. government essentially bent to the books of a handful of firms, overriding democratic accountability.

3. Mythic continuity (god-swaps)
Melqart > Herakles: Tyrian sea god recast as Greek hero, but worship patterns at trade ports stayed identical.
Baal > Saturn/El > Yahweh: Old Levantine storm/sky god gradually absorbed into new state religions, but the port cults (offerings, festivals) continued.

>>42487257
>>42487251
Go back to the fucking kabbalah thread schizo.

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>>42487277
Saint Nicholas > Santa Claus > Global Commerce: An Anatolian sea-saint, beloved of sailors and merchants, morphed into Coca-Cola’s Christmas mascot - but he still anchors the same gift-exchange economy.
Christ > Roman Imperial Idol: The rebel against empire becomes the new imperial mascot, locking the masses into a controlled form of escape.

4. Fear cartography
Phoenician Sea Monsters: Early maps mark “beyond here are dragons” to keep rivals from exploring routes they monopolized.
Medieval Taboos: Forbidden seas, cursed isles narrative tools to protect trade secrets.
Cold War Zones: Nuclear “doomsday zones” map almost perfectly onto strategic shipping lanes and oil choke points.
Modern Regulatory Blacklists: OFAC sanctions, no-go investment zones, and “terror finance” blacklists function like sea monsters: keeping others away while insiders move freely with back channels.

5. Shell migrations (after “falls”)
Babylon > Persia: Phoenician mercantile classes aided Persia against Babylon, but Persia ends up running Babylon’s trade networks intact.
Rome > Church > Venice: As Rome “fell,” the Church and later Venice inherited the very same trade law, weights & measures, coinage models.
Nazis > U.S. & Zion:
VW, Siemens, IG Farben, Krupp, etc. survive the “fall of the Reich” and flow into NATO-era economy.
NASA absorbs Nazi rocket science (Operation Paperclip).
Zionism is materially boosted by Nazi persecution -- the “enemy” fuels the outcome.
Ford, IBM, Chase Bank had active ties across the Nazi divide, showing the ledger continuity.
Soviet Union > Oligarchs > Global Capital: After 1991, the same networks simply rebranded into “oligarchs,” then parked their wealth in London and New York.

>>42485567
I read a book that said Mithraism was based on the precession of the equinoxes. A shocking discovery back then.

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>>42486997
>Weren't the Phoenicians generally red-headed, fair skinned?
>>42487257
The Phoenicians where Canaanites Esau of the Bible noted for being a Hairy Red Head and the Heir to the Throne ended up marrying a Canaanite women
Coin indecently enough Rothchild means Red Shield/Sign

Also odd that Scotland home of the Redheads took over the English throne with the help of good old 007 a fucking wizard like Rasputin

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>>42487187
I'm no specialist and we enter into oral tradition now where proof is dim, but I can pass what I've heard since they're already swarming us lol.

1) No idea on that one. 2) I was told it all originated in Anatolia long before Persia. That the Sumerians' afterlife referred to cavern worlds beneath mountains, and that the earliest accounts of Eden also refer to a garden world underground. Allegedly after the last cataclysm, deluge or whatever, that's where "Adam and Eve" or the Aryans emerged (archaelogists still wonder why the Anatolian cavern cities were designed to hold so many.) They then moved down into Sumeria and from there into Persia, Canaan, Egypt, and so on. I don't think the Iranic or Persian peoples are the origin, I unironically believe the myths that it's an antedulivian remnant.

3) I'm no expert on trade either but it looks like they ran it, and there is an occult motif of equating the ocean with a desert or open plain (all symbolizing a void of chaotic space to navigate and conquer.) Polo and the modern Vatican narrative about discovering Asia is silly, like you say technology, goods, and cultures/religions were constantly traveling between Europe and Asia. Human slaves too.

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also
>Sham-ash Shamash
the shem of shemites semites samites the sam-aryans that made samskrta later named sanscript later mimetically through trade became all language as the root
like the samskrta word for mercury is budha
and jupiter is guru
this is the shamir of the shamar rinpoche

this is the as-samad
samara and shamballa

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>>42487211
Here's what I don't really get... These people that descended from Scythians developed their own unique identity. Why would they hang onto the cap, especially if they weren't making fox caps anymore? Sure, it's symbolic of a tradition, but what is the actual content of the tradition? Fuck the symbols. What did they actually get out of it?

And this is where the Silk Road stuff comes back in, as well as the whole "fat elf comes down your chimney bringing you mushrooms to get high on in the winter" thing.

I've previously argued that the Silk Road was essentially a drug empire. Not to say they only produced drugs or even that they used the drugs to abuse those who they sold it to. But rather, the drugs were what made them unique, what made the culture persist, and may have also been what made the culture powerful.

To return to the Alexander the Great point: supposedly there were "Persians" (read: Iranians of some sort) who gave Alexander and his troops drugs, and with these drugs, they were able to march for days nonstop. This was one of the decisive reasons for victory against the Persian Empire.

I think maybe I'm wrong to say the Silk Road is the only source of these drugs. Naturally, mushrooms can grow in many places, and barley and grapes do too (for ergot). I guess we may never know the real content of the Soma, but we should look at the Silk Road more as a powerful distribution network than the source of the recipe itself.

Therefore, the real source of "the mysteries" all the way in Greece are the Scythians coming down and blessing locals with various concoctions, some of which might not have been grown in Iran.

Also, don't even get me started on human-based pharmacology that Ammon Hillman talks about. Ok, do. Sabazius seems like a local flavor of the same Scythian culture.

I have met a large number of very pale-skinned arabs, especially Iranians and Afghans. Basically Indo-Aryans.

>>42487286
Basically this.

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>>42487345
lol anon read my posts the only reason i know of any of this is because of LSD and my DNA
HOW DID ALEXANDERS FATHER LOSE HIS EYE IN MYTHOS
not the real battle that prob did it
WHY DO BOTHE MOSHE AND ALEZANDER HAVE HORNS IN MYTHOS
>why do they do it
well simple my child because they can and the big one eye is a dick head named conquest

pic related which samskrta name is budha is also the first and last paleo hebrew letters

I DONT really get Polo

>>42487345
And this. Bump. Good info here. Indo-Aryanism is back, baby.

>>42487354
Indians have pale skin as well thanks to conquest
theres a whole cast system based off how white they are
aka my great grandpa vs my great great granpa was a sam aryan
also Muslims will dye there beard red because Muhamad had a red beard
which means one of Muhamads parents had the royal gene but not both

>>42487319
This got long so it will be two messages.

>3) I'm no expert on trade either but it looks like they ran it
Isn't trade just arbitrage, and isn't arbitrage arguably the essence of all elite power?
- What is usury? It literally only works because you do arbitrage with the time value of money using deposits to fund future loans/ventures.
- Venice was doing metal arbitrage during the middle ages (almost said metal ages, kek) between silver and gold, because the peoples on both sides of them were switching the bases of their currency, so Venice would buy low and sell high.
- What is the petrodollar? Wars fought to preserve essentially national finance arbitrage (originally, currency value was based on national financial policy when gov spending moved the market, but then more advanced bonds and derivatives popped up in the last few decades).

I think people focus a little too heavily on "banking" as the big bad, unless they also see that INVESTMENT banking was more relevant than retail banking, until they unified as one thing in the 90s. But even then, the value of the retail institutions is more in their holding of national debt than mom and pop's saving's home loan paying 5% interest.

Investments require a lot of muscle to collect and to ensure history goes the direction they want it to, not to mention protecting the actual trade routes from pirates.

I will dwell on this thought some more. Arbitrage seems like a more flexible concept than saying capital. You can rent capital, and rentier economies are quite shitty, but really renting is just a form of arbitrage too (buy a house from person A, rent to person B).

>there is an occult motif of equating the ocean with a desert or open plain
Hmm, is there a word you're thinking of? I'm familiar with some of the "law of the sea" stuff.

>>42487363
what how he met with a koan discovered the philosphers stone and took it back to the vatican?

interestingly enough marco polo was a venetian

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>>42487257
Ancient whites traded with China more than people think:

https://www.zmescience.com/science/archaeology/chinese-tomb-murals-blond-foreigner/

And another thing people don't realize is that central Asia (along with northeast Africa) used to be white. The "arabs" that we think of being the natural inhabitants are more like roaches that drove everyone else out of their lands.

>>42487416
>not to mention protecting the actual trade routes from pirates.
isnt the whole thing that Phoenicians weren't just traders but also pirates
that would gate keep the sea

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>>42487319
>2) I was told it all originated in Anatolia long before Persia.
Gobleki Tepe, Karahan Tepe, Derinkuyu (picrel)

>That the Sumerians' afterlife referred to cavern worlds beneath mountains, That the Sumerians' afterlife referred to cavern worlds beneath mountains, and that the earliest accounts of Eden also refer to a garden world underground.
Source? That's fucking interesting. I know that there is a curious connection between Syrian/Armenians and Sumerians. I can't recount the specifics, but it was in the reverse direction. Something about Aramaeans moving north away from Sumer. So, to think that they originally went the other direction makes for a longer timeline there.

>Allegedly after the last cataclysm, deluge or whatever, that's where "Adam and Eve" or the Aryans emerged (archaelogists still wonder why the Anatolian cavern cities were designed to hold so many.)
Do you think they are distinct from Atlanteans?
I mean, if we follow the 100 plot, I guess it would be something like:
- Anatolians/Europeans travel west in anticipation of problems a very very long time ago
- They go far west, maybe to North America, maybe just to islands in the Atlantic.
- After "their spaceship fails" (their island is inundated; one of the Younger Dryas meltwaters), they come back east.
- They meet the descendants of their ancestors in the eastern Mediterranean
- Some fighting occurs. By this point, the Anatolians have a degenerate culture. Maybe the source of that human pharmacology I mentioned.
- Atlanteans are also trying to control their colonies, but Greece and Egypt break free. All documented by Plato by this point.

This could stretch thousands of years, too.

Ok one more.

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>>42487416
>I'm familiar with some of the "law of the sea" stuff.

>>42487374
Red-headed Jewish chicks are about as hot as hot gets without getting burned.

>>42487459
fun fact elahym breaks down into master of the sea
aka the sea that splits - and splits again +

>>42487319
>They then moved down into Sumeria and from there into Persia, Canaan, Egypt, and so on.
This is much later though I believe, right? Gobleki Tepe is around 9k BC, Sumer doesn't appear until 4k BC. Ubaid culture before Sumer doesn't seem all that special. Maybe a backwater of civilization in this time.

>don't think the Iranic or Persian peoples are the origin, I unironically believe the myths that it's an antedulivian remnant.
Agreed here. I think it's highly unlikely that the most advanced civilization, in terms of knowledge and technology, evolved in any of the steppe areas. I think empire might have first evolved there, so maybe some that arbitrage stuff did, but not the science, philosophy, etc.
One question is how it got to the steppe and who the steppe people were. I don't think the steppe people were Atlanteans (aka Phoenicians?) or Anatolians (whatever we should be calling these guys). There was definitely a special royal class in Scythia, and I assumed they were Phoenician but it might be fair to also guess they were Anatolian....

Btw, have you ever heard of Comana Chryse? I've not investigated to see if they had an underground city, but it's a very curious social structure that mirrors some of the mountain men stuff. The names are curious. They were ruled by a relative or general of Mithridates the Great.

>>42487441
>isnt the whole thing that Phoenicians weren't just traders but also pirates
Without a global police force, I would think that they are kind of the same thing.
Makes you wonder who were the traders behind the Roman empire, doesn't it.

>>42487476
Yahweh comes from Yam, and I used to take it literally that he was just a sea serpent, but I've since learned that serpents refer to properties of seas themselves. I suppose a desert could have the same thing (see: Dune worms). Serpents are long and connecting things. Winds and currents are given serpent qualities. Surely any path could do the same.

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>>42487495
its all sym sam ball ic
the spice is the flow of trade
variety is the spice of life
from one fish came legion
>behind the Roman empire
behind all empires that rise and fall
something benijesuit hidden hand

fun fact phoenicians are called the palm people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzj6b2YV2aA skip to 3:40
and when the egyptians where brought into the roman empire via forced marriage
a logo was made of the crocodile chained to a palm tree

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>>42487319
>archaelogists still wonder why the Anatolian cavern cities were designed to hold so many
You talking about Derinkuyu and the other places in Cappadocia? That shit is wild. They aren't just small bomb shelters, they were fully functioning cities complete with ventilation, stables, etc and could hold up to 20,000 people. Historians think they were built by the Phrygians but they don't know why.

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>>42487345
>Why would they hang onto the cap
Because the mystery cult kept it as they hopped around, along with other ancient symbols, and presumably a maxim to always stick it to Babylon for some reason. It's what the namefag means by saying Scythians switched to Persia to attack Babylon then moved on to the next empire. Supposedly the mystery religion(s) were practiced by all the nobility who commissioned the statues and art, they hopped around and updated or syncretized the myths each time but left breadcrumb trails of the same symbols and archetypes. There's a possibility that ancients (or at least the nobility/priesthoods) were well aware of the common origin and that's why we had conquerors (many surrounded by cult imagery) rising up every so often to conquer the known world. They could've been reclaiming de jure antediluvian lands which over time faded to myth and, translated by us now, look like attempts to start separate or different world empires.

>Therefore, the real source of "the mysteries" all the way in Greece are the Scythians coming down and blessing locals with various concoctions
Very aptly put. It seems they peddled something fun like that, yes.

https://youtu.be/dh2gU8aOTSI

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>>42487525
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomonari
The Solomonars are said to be tall, red-haired, wearing long white robes of peasants

The Solomonar or Șolomonar (German phonetization: Scholomonar; plural Solomonari) is a wizard believed in Romanian folklore to ride a dragon (zmeu[a] or a balaur) and control the weather, causing rain, thunder, or hailstorm.

They are recruited from common folk and taught their magic at the Solomonărie or Şolomanţă (German phonetization: Scholomance).[1]

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>>42487535
he who holds two trees

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>>42487319
>>42487452
>Gobleki Tepe
>>42487552

>>42487525
>a logo was made of the crocodile chained to a palm tree
You mean the Venetians are the Phoenicians? Shocking...

But since Rome also fought Carthage for a very long time, it's curious. I wonder what form the Phoenicians had in Rome. I do know that there were some so-called Jews behind the major latifunda. Jew just means Phoenician in this case. Maybe Rome didn't use "Phoenicia" as a term so much as Judean or Punic, which are like eastern vs western Phoenician (even though Punic is literally Phoenician, it's used to describe Carthaginians I believe).

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>>42487572
>I wonder what form the Phoenicians had in Rome
we was children of venus

its all circles within circles
ww1 was fought by cousins

>>42487324
Yes the ass-mad and the sham-balls of shinetarda relate directly to the skeetra root this is all spelled out in the cumma sutra

>>42487532
>Very aptly put. It seems they peddled something fun like that, yes.
What's interesting is comparing with the fact that Pythagoras was Phoenician and Plato went to Egypt. Understanding the Phoenician vs Scythian connection seems key.

>>42487590
Fun Fact
after Rome destroyed Carthage in 146 BC the site remained largely abandoned for generations Julius Caesar planned to refound Carthage as a Roman colony and after his death the project was carried out under Augustus

also interestingly enough many North African elites of Punic heritage ended up supporting different sides during the Roman civil wars

>>42487572
>You mean the Venetians are the Phoenicians?
>>42487430
>>42487426
In The Travels of Marco Polo, Polo remarks that the Khan essentially possesses the alchemical Philosopher's Stone because he was able to manufacture money on command. Rather than using gold or silver, Kublai Khan's treasury printed money out of the treated inner bark of mulberry trees, which all citizens were legally required to accept as valid currency

liguistically koan kahn and cohen (jewish priest elite) are the same word

>>42487632
>liguistically koan kahn and cohen (jewish priest elite) are the same word
Canaan <-> China
Canaan <-> Danann (Tuatha)

>>42487590
>we was children of venus
You mean pale bastards who stayed up all night to see the morningstar? :)
Or what is the significance of Venus here?

>>42487646
can/kan-e dan and stan all mean low land
aka the below the earth

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>>42487590
>we was children of Venus
The Scythians also kept eunuch or sodomite priests of Venus. This would become the motif of Attis the effeminate lover of Cybele, or the beautiful Adonis lover of Persephone, or the enchanting Orpheus lover of... young boys. The Kadmos / Thebes connection also connects to Dionysos (who was just Adonis before import to Greece) who was another effeminate male slaughtered and resurrected by the cult of the mother goddess. Recent threads connected Jesus to Eshu and Isis worship. Same motif as well, I think it all goes back to Mithras which is to say, to the acting High Priest of the Cult of Venus.

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>>42487646
chinas native name is Zhongguo ill do moe research into this later possibly
>>42487650
Venus is equated to the balls of heaven
being the earth and the moon
en na na reception the - of +

its basically saying you own reality as we know it as youre in with the ma of the matrix the trix of ma mine mind mem ect

>>42487666
According to Herodotus, the homosexuality eunuch priests first appeared after the Scythians raided into Phoenecia

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>>42487666
checked it predates mythras and has to do with the real religion/magik of our reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlVVmYYpSY
"dont see that now do you" "you know who" "its no use its no use ya" "keep that on a minimum/min-amun" "keep that on the juice/jews"

>>42487552
Two trees.
J and B.
;)

>>42487666
>The Scythians also kept eunuch or sodomite priests of Venus. This would become the motif of Attis the effeminate lover of Cybele, or the beautiful Adonis lover of Persephone, or the enchanting Orpheus lover of... young boys.
(Eunuch) "Galli" priests were the first at the Vatican, I believe.
What's the scope on their castration (which I believe is the precursor to circumcision, right?)? I'm aware of the story that they did it to be more like their goddess, but that's lame and gay. I'm also familiar with Sir James Frazer's idea of the sacrificial king. I could see castration being a sort of sacrifice without death. Some say it derives from the practice of castrating slaves, but that leaves me wanting.
The most reasonable answer to me is not an obsession with transgenderism, but that they worked for the church whose symbol was a goddess, but they became more trustworthy as priests if they were castrated (particularly if they were allowed around the king's wives and things of that nature). In other words, there were priest kings, but only the assistants were castrated.
Also, if the civilization was patriarchal, why was the feminine held in higher regard? Cognitively, the symbolism makes sense, especially paired with Soma. Just curious if you had another thought.

>>42487677
>matrix
Was already thinking about this in the context of Mithras.

Mithras
Mitra
Matra
Matrix

Mitra (god of covenant) doesn't mean the same thing as Matrix (mother), but I could see how phrases could be used that relate both.

>>42487709
ive been told job is the bone given to the devil dog ;)
to let israel pass through

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>>42487680
>homosexuality eunuch priests
They seem like flamekeepers. (Flaming flamekeepers)

>>42487753
i mean he is cutting into her letting her blood which is adam which translates to ox's blood the red clay
feed the snake and dog often associated with negel the god of death that are the twin brothers of the afterlife quetzalcoatl snake and xolot dog

this is also apep and anubis

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>>42487782
>>42487790
oh and its all a the trinity
he is/isnt the bull the snake and the dog

>>42487251
>Maori

When will those become civilized instead of acting like shit flinging monkeys, to the point Abos look like Buddhas in comparison? You have nothing, you are nothing, can only do those silly dances supposed to "scare" your "enemies" (they actually mean MORE GIBS MORE GIBS OR I'LL SHIT MYSELF NOOOOOW).

>>42487677
>“The name Tubal-Cain is the password of the Master Mason, symbolizing the transition from the crude implements of the savage to the polished tools of the craftsman.”
>—Albert Gallatin Mackey. A Lexicon of Freemasonry, 1845.

>>42487782
Why does Mithras kill the bull?
It sounds like the serpent and the dog lick the blood up, which is to say they consume the life force of the earth and moon. Maybe serpent and dog refer to the death realm which consumes living spirits (which fits with a dying and rising god theme), but maybe also it's different tribes, so it really means these two tribes consume the earth. Or even better... suck its blood (parasitic-like or in secret). That would mean Mithra is the god that the snake and the dog tribes pray to, to give them the power to blood-let the earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXezLv_5RaY&list=RDciCv3texS_k&index=10

>>42487811
What about Eve? God's blood mixes with... the mythical woman founder of a tribe?

>>42487147
You now realize The Smurfs are soft disclosure and that Papa Smurf was wearing the Phrygian Cap and, obviously, fucking the only woman around, that's why none of the rest could make a move on her.

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>>42487737
I suppose there are many answers, most of which you've listed. In my opinion it goes far deeper than that into astral possession, no book (at least no modern, public book) will ever tell us that gods are real and that there might be rituals which imbue one to a deity. We usually only ever get half truths and opinions based upon a materialist or atheistic view of archaelogy, but I'll give my own.

All spells are said to trace back to theurgy, it was the Sumerian priest-sorcerers who called upon their gods to perform magic etc. Invocation of a deity into the body was the name of the game. You say it yourself with divine kingship and we know females (allegedly) became possessed by Venus to lay with the kings. So it stands to reason that any chief position within any cult is the deity itself - like the high priestess of Ishtar becoming the goddess during those rites.

So that makes me wonder what happens when a man is possessed by Venus. At the very least we would get an effeminate man, I think the castration etc. is just different cultures swinging the pendulum too far in mimicry. Also like you postulate with the priesthood forming practices around (or beyond) their high priest's scope, if some of those ancients were told so-and-so outranked them and had an innate connection to a god, we can bet our ass they'd do anything to mimic and dilute the system, loopholes, until they can partake themselves.

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>>42487890
polished tools heh ;)
the dog and the snake are the mind moon and body earth
the blood is the life force of being from the crown keter of understanding the ox

the dog mirrors the man the sol body VY
the snake mirrors the ox the luna mind HH
of YHVH
to slay unity is to give room for variety the spice of life

to re unite the snake with the bull and ride it and the ok k9ight man is to become i am

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>>42487896
gods blood enters the mouths of the snake moon dog earth

>>42487924
Penis shrinks into nothingnees. A black hole opens in it, kind of like a metaphysical castration at a cosmic level. Rage - impotence - and ultimately, nothing.

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>>42487924
I think the stars are a map of earth. Been waiting for someone to engage with me on this.

>All spells are said to trace back to theurgy
I think magic works when the whole "as within, so without", "as above, so below", etc stuff becomes totally fused in the person.

>So that makes me wonder what happens when a man is possessed by Venus.
Maybe that is an oxymoron. Venus represents the fusion of Earth and Moon, so by my statement above, the appearance of Venus is proof that they are ready for magic. In that case, Venus would be the drug itself. Or maybe the practice, to go in a non-drug direction.

>>42488103
Moving points of light in the darkness? Sounds like Angels to me. Or Devas?

>>42488103
Also... SOMA comes from the moon, wut?

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>>42487495
So if the Beginning is the End
The Ram is The Water Bearer
but as we've discussed
The Water is The Serpent
So The Ram is also The Serpent Bearer
and The Taurus as it is The Serpents Head
so where does that leave the rest of the signs

>>42488137
Fish swim against themselves, and goats bang their heads. The rest you know when you know. When the scorpion takes the place of the goat, expect orgies... And re-births. Might be a while.

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>>42488125
thats so ma

>>42488152
Oh, yeah... Aquarius... Always forget about THAT dame.

>>42488154
Oh, hell yeah. Ma GU! MATA YI!

>>42488152
>>42488155
wasnt talking to you did you even look at the image do you know the point i was making
i should re organize
the ram is the taurus bearer

>>42488163
Me? You? What even is that? I was just shiposting. It's not personal.

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>>42488159
>Ma GU! MATA YI!
nice catch

>>42488183
"I"... EYE. Funny. I... i...

>>42488184
Wouldn't do to anger M just to be chasing dragons eh, lilith? I need a proper place to masturbate... Blue balls will just not do!

>>42487147
>In the Greek Orpheic, Eleusinian and Dionysian mysteries, the cycle of going through the underworld is explained through the myth of Persephone, abducted to the underworld. In the Pythagoras mystery school 10 is a holy number, the tree of life with 9 spheres is inverted in kabbalism into the tree of death with 10 sepiroth. The greeks call God the architecton, the master craftsman.
>In Rome, cults gather for the Mithraic mysteries, with meetings in crypts. The first jewish freemasons of Rome bring next to their building skills, their secret religions and rites that would be incorporated into the Roman Empire from the time of Julius and Augustus Caesar. They are called freemen or are given special tax free status under many of the Roman emperors, the reason why the Latin term phrygian which means freemen, later morph into freemasons. They are protected under Julius Caesar who had commission these Jewish operative freemasons to build Roman temples and establish synagogues. They are admitted into the colleges of constructors, and these first Roman-Jews instruct the Romans with their knowledge of the secret mystery religions of the East.
>The red mushroom cap of Amanita Muscaria or fly agaric became turbans, the red fez of shriners, Mandarin hat, barets, red cap of Hermes, Phrygian cap, cap of Mithras, liberty caps in the French Revolution, red cap of pope and cardinals (Medici, Sforza), Papa Smurf

>>42488189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ceNOLh734
2:40
all are witnessing this years man the big one eye

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>>42488197
id say it more so has to do with the fire of the mind the will vrill then mushrooms but aight

>>42488201
LOL

>>42488193
lol i was kicked out of a kaballah server for teaching people shakti kama cultivation via edging
i was called a gooner trying to give people blue balls

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>>42488103
Very interesting, I've read that much of the Venusian mythos is occluded by lunar rites posing as the veil; guarding Venus' inner gnosis with exoteric and polarizing translations. I think your point ties it back to the stories of Jesus, Horus, Mithras, etc. as stand-in representations of the initiate into the mysteries. If "ready for magic" maybe it all ritualizes them as material Earth (Orion, Orpheus, Tammuz), marrying the spiritual Moon (Artemis, Kore, Semiramis.)

We're also told the methods of many mystery cults included psychedelics paired with mock theater to simulate experiences which could rapidly teach initiates what normal men might require decades to learn unguided. If the rites of Mithras truly included humiliating, attacking, and even nearly killing potential initiates that they may prove they can 'fight against the darkness,' that pairs right in with the themes of castration, slaughter, and sacrifice which could have taken a literal meaning over time as cults strayed further from celestial orientation.

>>42488226
cant say LOL without קבּל

>>42488222
One word: Bearserker.

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>>42488237
lol; lol=39 lamed tet
the snake staff

>>42488237
Tut mir leid, ich spreche kein Jiddisch.

>>42488282
shin alef mem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InRMXiwFPxE

>>42488284
so is god saying laughter is truly life/death's medicine
would that make the cosmic joke be the prescription

>>42485567
Isn't it dubious whether the mithras liturgy even for sure is related to mithras

>>42488307
You have pretty eyes.

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Ah how refreshing, another antinomian cult for kiddie diddlers

>>42487187
The main problem with Mithraism is that it was a secret society with its own secret religion, to which apparently only soldiers of higher rank had full access. There had to be some sort of secrecy vow, as even though normal soldiers also had access to these places of cult (which were hidden in various caves, mainly near Rome), it's obvious that "higher knowledge" was reserved to the most senior members and they were also responsible for introducing new members - that couldn't just be anyone. Like them, they had to promise not to talk about any sort of dealings there.
That's why we're basically left only with remaining art, which clearly had a deep meaning to the adherents. Mithraism most likely went extinct for two reasons - the secrecy which didn't allow to write down how it really worked, leaving people to their imagination (like Freemasons), many of those caves were later converted into proto-Churches by Christians, especially after Christianity became the official religion of Roman Empire. Religious fervor lead to destruction of many, valuable information - not only about Mithraism.

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>>42488486
some things never die

>>42488414
eyes to יָם

>>42488510
Coffee, a motel room, and wild sex when my SS gets here? I mostly still get it up for a few minutes.

>>42488510
What's the significance of yam? Are you equating YAH with yam, a sea god?

>>42488605
Bot

>>42488837
Nah, he's just a local schizo. He's been posting his "conversations" or rather, monologues, screenshotting his own account. He really does use the same name. I feel bad for the guy, but there's nothing you can do until he gets to a point where he'll seek out help himself.

>>42488828
this is a good thread give it a read

>>42488436
No evidence for any of this btw.

>>42488837
888?

>>42488852
I thought you guys were here to help!! XD My case worker says I'm doing fine...

>>42488436
I love the contrast between someone taking the subject seriously, without inserting his personal theories, while Anon, as expected, goes on some meth-fueled rant which is only barely relevant to the Mithraic, symbolic art. Of course, he couldn't be himself if he didn't end on the "it's all about killing and eating children". Abusing stimulants leads to both aggressive behavior and aggressive thoughts, so to him, it's perfectly logical that any kind of religion or symbolism is about eating kids. I must say, I'm kinda worried about his mental state. Lay off the meth, it doesn't nothing in the long run except turning you into actual paranoid schizo, where you see agents everywhere, can hear them talk and see invisible (to everyone else) black helicopters or drones observing your every move - especially when you hit that pipe.

>>42488915
Plausible deniability is such a... sweet thing.

>>42488137
Are you suggesting that the entire sequence is a serpent? Well, I guess you'd have to call it more than a serpent, right? It would be a "dragon" that has serpent qualities, bull qualities, and more. Taurus would be the head, Aries the tail or maybe something that comes after the tail if that's possible.

If we treat it as an algebraic equation, each sign is adding a quality to the beast. The twins are a division of the bull. I honestly have no clue what cancer is supposed to symbolize. Leo is a sign of nobility (lion, the sphinx, the king of the jungle). There's probably a more gnostic angle to all of these. I can only relate it to the longer sequence that I've spent a little more time on, the Major Arcana.

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>>42488307
>>42487211
weird

>>42488152
Is there a geometric derivation of this? In the case of the Major Arcana, I noticed everything came in a cycle of threes, much like a hermetic sequence of thesis, antithesis, synthesis. Obviously if these were tied to the seasons at all, you'd have 4 major peaks (solstices and equinoxes) and then transition signs between them.

>>42489002
3 is the end of the singularity. 2 is the beginning. One is. Four is back to 3d reality - five.... Potentiality. Six? Six? Six? Sexy!

>>42488978
the thread gets into how it all means YHVH which is the 4elements amongst other things
יהוה is the split cow the dragon ect
its also man
י
ה
ו
ה
Read what the image says
the weapon of ones own dissection separation is the self
sin is seperation to mis the mark tav which is unity

>>42489022
Oroburus?

>>42487933
>>42488222
>>42487811

>>42488233
It's funny because what I'm describing is a map-territory confusion, which is one of the most fundamental types of cognitive errors. It's the type of thing that an ultimate red pill would be about: a weakness in the psyche that we can't see that shapes so much of what we do see.

However, there is tactical value in creating this confusion on purpose. It immerses you into the thing.

But furthermore, the more profound experience is immersing yourself just so that you can find your way back out. You might have an ordinary understanding of delusion, but until you accept the ultimate delusion and then recover your sanity, you'll be that much more prepared for any type of map-territory error in the future.

>>42489022
>Read what the image says
Looks like a body to me.

>>42489069
magic kek

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>>42488978
Cancer 69 pinches the baalls
Cancer is the cardinal sign of the Water trigon

>>42489256 56
>>42488978 78
kek
>>42487590 90

>>42487324
look at this dickhead

>>42488880
Χριστός ανέστη

Looks like all of the schizos and bots are attracted to my thread like flies on shit. Too bad, I wanted to have an actual interesting discussion on Mithras.

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>>42486540
finally an interesting thread, the phrigian cap is a rabbit hole on its own, proto masonry , cybele festival is basically pride, the cap is everywhere , we're currently living in their timeline.
All interested in this topic may also be interested in the nabateans.

>>42489370
my post are only slightly schitzo because theyre on the frontier of discovery
the fact that i keep getting mirrored by an actual schitzo posting nonsense is interesting to say the least

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>>42489436
>>42489457
math is magic
click the pic

>>42489378
Tell us more about ththe Nabateans.

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>>42489490
>>42487677
>>42487695
>>42487933
.

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>>42489436
phallic worship

>>42489546
>>42489522
>>42487941

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>>42489546
did you know the word kurios is greek for lord
and fascinate comes form the use of fascinum dick magic to cure the evil eye invidius ;)

>>42489546
they probably used that on their neophytes that they got from discord

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a phish 8 a golden rod

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>>42489546
the gnomes gno me

>>42489599
so is that supposed to be foreskin

>>42489616
its the blood of a virgin
as blood and seaman are the two
oils of life

one binds the other separates
even the white blood cells separate errors

>>42489635
822?

>>42489648
teeth of the mouth gulp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAwVeEPhESM

>>42489635
>>42489648
"As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease."
minus 32 teeth from fahrenheit
and boiling seperation heat become 180 the tri angle
freezing becomes 0 bind the circle

>>42489378
>proto masonry
I find it odd that people don't realize that "demiurge" = craftsman, "masonry" = the craft (not to mention, that "jesus the carpenter" = "jesus the craftsman". It's just yet another gnostic cult, but if there's anything unique about it, they practically call themselves "the gnostic cult". Symbolism is transparent and basic bitch level stuff.

>>42487319
I want to tie the above back into this. "The craft" is something that usually one particular god in a mythology teaches or brings to the masses. This is often described as debauchery (a profanation), but of course the humanist view is that it was a good thing. This is Prometheus, this is Jesus, this is Buddha, and in the case of Sumerian mythology, this is Enki.

The book of Enoch supposedly comes from Mt Ararat or thereabouts geographically (I always forget which mountain... I could honestly be several hundred miles off on this one). And isn't that also where we just said the people came from who migrated down into Sumer? That's where "Enki" comes from. Strip the name of its mystery, and that's the original teacher of the craft for that civilization.

>>42489635
מִרְיָם
the head yod in the waters of meme

>>42489764
>>42488201
the all smith

>>42489022
Why Hebrew? What's so important about that? Is it the sacredotal version of Phoenician?

>>42489798
>sacredotal
babylon is whats so important it was the height of education that became to strong for its own good?
and thats where hebrew as we know it was made from the paleo version

>>42489798
These people are schizophrenic. This thread has just about nothing to do with Kaballah or Judaism, but they insist on shitting this place up (maybe because they're shills).

oh and phoenician and hebrew are both canaanite kena'ani ani na ke languages

>>42489764
If symbolism is "basic-bitch" then what's not basic-bitch?

>>42489816
>>42489821
>>42487299

>>42489378
>nabateans
I heard one time that there was a foreign priesthood (one of the Egyptian goddesses... can't remember which, but it may have been connected to Egyptian royalty) that transplanted themselves there, and then of course they become the Edomites and then "the Jews" (actually just the Herods and I think a faction of the Pharisees, and that faction might be enough to leave a lasting impact which leads to later developments in Judaism).

I think the important deity of the Nabateans is a goddess, which I could crudely compare to the Cybele stuff mentioned earlier if I remembered what the Nabatean goddess was.

>>42489864
im not sure if this is relevant
but the owl ritual which shill alex jones crudely names moloch
which is really more accurately malakh
is actually a phoenician tail of isis landing in byblos
almost turning a boy into a god
but instead just blessing the royal family

this boy into a god via fire is also something related to the ophiotaurus the snake bull weve gone over in the thread
as to burn one is to deafet the gods

and in the bible i forget who but some one through a snake that bit him into the fire
the locals said this snake was the jsutice of the sea and that he must be a criminal
but when the snake died and he was fine they called him a god

Some of the artists
employed by the Roman Curia carried out this
idea in bronze, and there is still preserved in
the Vatican museum a statue illustrated and
described by Payne Knight thus : -" The celebrated bronze in the Vatican has the male
organs of generation placed upon the head of
a cock supported by the neck and shoulders
of a man. In this composition they represent
the generative power of the Eros, the Osiris ,
Mithras, or Bacchus. By the inscription on
the pedestal the attribute thus personified is
styled ' The Saviour of the World,' ' Soter
Kosmoi ' [ or Kosmou] , a title always venerable
under whatever image it be presented. "

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>>42489816
There are some good posters in here. Maybe some shills too. I'm embracing the whole thread anyway. Let the love shine through.

>>42489829
Maybe it's just basic to me because it's among the most exposed of any school.
That being said, I do think there is a weakness in schools that have put their stories into writing. It allows people to become obsessed with layers of meaning that are not important. This trivializes the story and makes it feel basic. Just with the limited amount that I've gathered about mithraism, their symbols and rituals seem far more compelling.
Masonry seems autistic, Mithraism seems inspired. And yes, I realize that groups which meet in secret and don't have a humanist outlook are one and the same in the end.

>>42489810
So Biblical Hebrew is like a Babylonian re-encoding of Paleo Hebrew?
What about Babylonian education was too strong for its own good? I'm guessing this is a consequence of being a metropolitan center for so long, not so much for geopolitical reasons. The "Babylonain Empire" existed multiple times, but I don't think that's why Babylon matters. It is THE urban center of the eastern Mesopotamian (other than Sumer which was slightly older but fell off faster for some reason).

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>>42489500
They were merchants, founded the city of Petra and left stone carved temples all around the arabian peninsula.
They also had their own port city in Naples which was then part of the roman empire and currently underwater.
As someone else said itt the gods arrived via the silk road, those merchants had deals with kindoms and possibly with other tribes to have granted free passage, once the gooda arived in the levant coasts they needed seafaring societies to ship them all around the Mediterranean coasts.
Ancient civs fought hard to settle and keep natural harbours, and that the age of thalassocracy.
Btw Israel have been bombing Nabatieh (in Lebanon) for months now.

>>42489938
>So Biblical Hebrew is like a Babylonian re-encoding of Paleo Hebrew?
a refurnishing like the new testament
>What about Babylonian education was too strong for its own good?
it was probably to large to control so it needed to be broken apart killing those that needed to be killed and rebranding those that could be repurposed under empire

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>>42489968
its a chess board being played with dialectics and i mage i nation
>>42487277

its not about who wins its about the story that comes form the game maneuvering the cattle

shiva is the seperation the kaos that gives room for variety generation the spice of life

>>42489907
>as to burn one is to deafet the gods
So the Phoenix is itself the same motif as Mithras. Dying and rising.

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It is easy to prove that the Sun is indeed the source of Life and Light, that the Phallus is indeed PANGENETOR

ΜΙΘΡΑΣ = 360 = the amount of degrees in THE CIRCLE, which is the astro-glyph of THE SUN
360 = ShIN, the TOOTH, the FIRE OF THE SUN

ΜΙΘΡΑΣ = ש = THE AEON

>>42490037
YHshinVH
the name of christ and oddly enough where jews go to study to become rabbis
is the fire that consumes the vav
aka the ego death of i am
how can you judge another when you have a dick in your eye

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>>42490055
360 is water the water is penetrated by fire 720 which makes earth
add em up you get 1080 cock and balls
>>42487695 pic related

its the spear/sword and shield
the staff/ hobos staff flower and lantern
the I the O the 1 the 0

also the degrees of the pyramids tent is 720 the base is 360 ;)
to square the circle is to put fire in water
ect

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love this pic which is very related

>>42490055
oh and shin is 300
60 is somek the smoke
making 360 the O smoke of the Triangle Pyre
Pyre Middle is Pyramid it also means pointed cap like the red cap

>>42490086
OTO
ball cock ball

>>42490137
Θώθ

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>>42490137
I a(i)m the great beast 666
>>42487941

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>>42490108
the smoke rises within the pyramid like the snake around Hermes in >>42490095

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>>42490183
indeed the 12 around 1

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>>42490167

>>42490205
nearly every large galaxy
including our own
hosts a supermassive black hole at its center

>>42490210
theres a dude forget his name who thinks the sun births planets like the star dst births suns and that the planets are molten(liquid) then solid which peoples then gas then plasma aether
and i think the black hole at the center makes the dust that makes the suns

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>>42490222
Interesting theory

>>42490229
radars ;) (-- use trigonometry the measurement of circular areas via triangles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGvblGCD7qM&t=2s

>>42490056
Where does the shin come from? YHVH takes shin and puts it in himself (or in a copy of himself), becoming the savior?

>>42490265
yhvh becomes us via the alef ox air vav firmament which creates shin seperation
we become yhvh via the sheen reflection of shin seperation burning the gap

interestingly enough why we invert via a mirror but dont move right when it moves left and vice versa is because light moves in a torus spiral fashion

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>>42490265

3+2+6 = 11, the One beyond Ten

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>>42490287
its funny with shin the vav looks like the burning cock of a sitting man like shiva with fire shakti in eternal embrace

>>42489965
What if the perpetual war in the Middle East is a cover to demolish old archeological sites that have not been publicly announced to exist?

Think about it, in the last 14 years, how much has been destroyed in Syria and Iraq.

>>42490303
its also a forever war that fuels judea while crumbling the islamic ottoman empire into stone age goat fuckers

>>42485669
>>42485648
You can check it here:
https://youtu.be/3wrfqx82XxQ?t=601

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>>42490283
>yhvh becomes us via the alef ox air vav firmament which creates shin seperation

>>42490330
sin is to the left the yod will sheen is the right mem sofit earth
the cube is the earth is the christ cross

Bump

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>>42490303
> demolish old archeological sites that have not been publicly announced to exist?
There could be that too, but it's quite in the open, what's already visible.
Isis served precisely the same purpouse.
>October 6, 2023

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>>42490303
>>42491844
There's other weird shit too. Archaeologists confirmed that Gobleki Tepe was deliberately buried thousands of years ago, they have no idea why. And Christians were destroying temples and statues long before Islam came into existence. In fact, the Catholic church is pretty damn good at warping and/or hiding history.

>>42485567
Good Thread OP it's nice seeing a decent /his/ /x/ collab

>>42491940
Deliberately buried never made sense to me.

>>42491844
Soros foundation to end work in Turkey amid 'baseless claims'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46347975

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>>42492148
>Deliberately buried never made sense to me.
Doesn't make sense to me either, but that's what they say. They claim it was deliberately buried as some way to symbolically shut down the site, like it's some bigass sand mandala or some shit.

>>42492201
the church use to do this shit all the time to ancient temples
they'd also put churches on top of the dirt as the final fuck you

starwars plays off this with the jedi temple being over an old sith temple
the jedi temple loooing oddly like a ziggurat

>>42492244
Church still does this. Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox....they all still do it. There is a consistent attempt to wipe out all existence of pagan religions (European, meso-american, Polynesian or eastern) from historical record.
The militant churches put up signs about "souls to harvest". They go in and convert the entire community with a combination of economic promise and physical/spiritual threats. They encourage the converts to destroy the pagan infrastructure (books, statues, temples, etc) on their behalf.
The stuff christians do on a daily to pagans puts even the most radically anti pagan of Muslims to shame in comparison.
They (the church) wants you to forget paganism exists, and instead think that Christianity and it's discontents (atheism, secularism, capitalism, etc) have always been the only options available.

Watch, within two years we will see Christians start claiming space demons are invading earth and declare a crusade against pagan heresy.

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>>42492365
anon its 2026 no one cares about le wiping out the hethen pagans
hell as the threads shown these pagans where influenced by the same people who
secretly run the church/world
just at an earlier date of con quest
the whole reclaiming of the savage mind ended a long time ago

to bring up now is just to force a pagan vs christian dialectic when theyre both slaves of the same empire

>>42492365
Part of me thinks it is worth trying to relcaim Christianity in its original fashion as a mystery religion. On the thread's topic, I really wonder how the original Christianity related to Mithraism. Jesus is basically Mithra.

>>42492378
i should add the reason why the church and certain agency's are
destroying these very old sites
is to get rid of all the evidence
that interconnects the hidden hand
that has been seeding and ruling these things
for a very long time
>>42487251
>>42487257
>>42487277
ect

>>42492378
You are wrong. I know you're wrong because I have connections. The church is absolutely, absolutely intent in becoming the singular world power.
The reason is that Christianity is fucking falling to pieces. The church is constantly tearing apart at the seams.
They are DESPERATE to enact a modern crusade and to try and convince people the actual end of the world is happening. There is a constant boiling frog in countries like America, on why pagans need to be eradicated.
You are either ignorant or deliberately lying. Because it is bad out there, and it all comes back to Christianity.
If they are successful in their project to conquer the middle east through their Israeli proxy, you will see horrors you cannot fucking fathom.
>>42492382
>Part of me thinks it is worth trying to relcaim Christianity in its original fashion as a mystery religion.
It's worth it, but at that point it isn't Christianity anymore. It's Jesus religion, yeah...but not Christianity.
That's an important difference.
If someone were to actually reconstruct the early Jesus movement, they'd have something a lot more vibrant and interesting.
>On the thread's topic, I really wonder how the original Christianity related to Mithraism. Jesus is basically Mithra.
Christianity is a cross between a couple different Mediterranean religions. The biggest thing they take from Mithraism is the solar symbolism and the usage of water & blood.
The other major influence is Orphism & Zoroastrianism. With some tidbits from the Indian religions present, the more egregious ones coming later after jesus's mystery religion was mangled.

>>42492432
If we wanna look at the early Jesus movement, they were Judean proto-gnostics, of the lost Qumran community(s).
The religious community in the area Jesus existed in had constructed gnostic religions, which were folk combinations of regional cults, mystery religions, platonism & magic. The general focus of all of them being a shared doctrine of emanationism.
The Jewish variants could differ from the pagan, but they shared the same ideas effectively on emanationism.

Jesus as a historical figure emerged into the qumran locality. He got exposure to Judaic-pagan syncretic religious movements. From the account of the bible, he took the Mandean Nassorean John the Baptist as initiator and teacher.

Jesus eventually defected from the mandeans and started his own religious community, which was aimed at re-establishing the Judean kingdom. He reinserted himself as a teacher to the Jewish community, with his religion being a Jewish line of gnosticism/emanationism. With this in mind, texts emphasizing his circumcision become apparent in their political use. By asserting Jesus was circumcized, this gave him legitimacy to his claim as one of the dual messiahs of the Jewish temple-monarchy.

Why is this important otherwise? Because if Jesus was mandean, he could not claim kingship. Mandeans are distantly related to Jews....but they hate circumcision and have a total ban on it.

The Mandeans hate Jesus for all of this btw. In their community he's a false prophet.
If you wanna learn more about his connections to mithraism, look at his connections to his apostatized religion too. His original planetary correspondence in the levant-mediterranean was not the sun.

It was mercury.

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>>42492365
Yeah it do be like that.

>>42492432
>>42492432
It seems like people worry far too much about the autistic details of these religions. Ultimately, the purpose of any "true" religion is development of ego (of self; Freud meant the real one, not the fake ones, when he said ego). The fake religions are all based on telling you there is no ego. My generous reading is that the "fake" ones are just being taken out of context, as their ideology is primarily based on denying the fake ones, but it seems like this weapon gets inevitably turned on the real one. Perfectionism breeds sheep.

It really is aesthetic and basic law. The law hasn't changed much in 2000 years. Economic law has changed a bit, so I think civilization-wide prescriptions need to change a bit for that, but in terms of the personal lessons, men and women are still who they are. The same dualities, dichotomies, and paradoxes still exist.

The natural law might be hard for someone to come up with all on their own, but it can be readily discovered and confirmed. That makes this knowledge open to all who seek. You just have to be a special kind of weirdo to seek it and also research religious history to understand how ancient and sacred this knowledge is.

The aesthetic is arguably the hard part, which might be why most people don't want to put in the work.

>emanationism
Isn't this fundamentally a syncretic and catholicizing idea? My understanding is that the historical Jesus may have traveled around a lot and brought in many traditions.

It would also make sense if this philosophy kind of fundamentally ends up on top in any ideological competition. It consumes its opponents without conflict. That makes it a good base for any sort of speculative masonry or guild.

>Jesus eventually defected from the mandeans and started his own religious community, which was aimed at re-establishing the Judean kingdom.
Why though?

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>>42485567
Why is that demon and his pet hurting that cow?

>>42492524
>Jesus as a historical figure emerged into the qumran locality.
Is this a documentation of "Izates' conversion to Judaism"?
Any comment on the importance of his bloodline or royal lineage, or was that all made up to legitimize his attempted kingdom?

>The Mandeans
Would the Torah be their document? And based on what was said earlier about Hebrew and Babylon, would this be Judeans reformed by Babylonian emanationism, or do you think emanationism is unique? I don't have that level of understanding of Babylonianism. I would think that the largest urban center would have everything, but it could have been as degenerate morally as Rome.

>Mandeans are distantly related to Jews
Howso?

>mercury
Elgabal?
Marduk?
Something tantric or in the body?

>In their community he's a false prophet.
Sounds like old skeptic attitudes, whether legitimate or overly stale.

>>42485567
https://www.youtube.com/live/ik8kzIuA99U

>>42492580
>It seems like people worry far too much about the autistic details of these religions. Ultimately, the purpose of any "true" religion is development of ego (of self; Freud meant the real one, not the fake ones, when he said ego). The fake religions are all based on telling you there is no ego. My generous reading is that the "fake" ones are just being taken out of context, as their ideology is primarily based on denying the fake ones, but it seems like this weapon gets inevitably turned on the real one. Perfectionism breeds sheep.
I agree with your idea on ego being developed, and disagree on your idea of false religions.
Honestly, I'd say the false religions are these hard core monotheist ones. They just aren't realistic.
Vis-a-vis ego though, you're right that it's taken out of context. Religions which deny an ego don't actually deny the existence of it in a provisional sense. They deny it only in an ultimate sense as something that exists separate from the bigger picture.
>Isn't this fundamentally a syncretic and catholicizing idea?
Yes! That's part of the point. Christianity created the concept of conversion and separate lines between one religion and another.
Emanationism is built off the logic of the pagan/animist world prior to its existence. It's part of why diverse religious groups could all live together and not believe ones contrasting mythology inherently made the other false.
It also gave a framework that allowed exclusive monolators/henotheists (IE; early jews, mandeans) the ability to integrate in a more diverse spiritual community.
>My understanding is that the historical Jesus may have traveled around a lot and brought in many traditions.
Jesus would've traveled a lot in the Roman territory of the Levant. He likely didn't go that far outside of the Mediterranean & Levant, but he wouldn't have needed to. They had tons of religious communities there.
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>>42492676
>Honestly, I'd say the false religions are these hard core monotheist ones. They just aren't realistic.
It seems like it puts religion on unstable ground, ironically. It's philosophy masquerading as religion. The problem is not that philosophy is bad, but that religion requires certainty, but certainty is toxic to philosophy.

I'm gathering that you're resisting putting Jesus into the camp of hardcore monotheism. The idea of forming a new state... natural for an enterprising, rebellious young man. The point is not that Jesus was perfect. He was human, but he was pretty good. There are lots of books about pretty good leaders that are worth reading and learning from.

>>42492676
>It would also make sense if this philosophy kind of fundamentally ends up on top in any ideological competition. It consumes its opponents without conflict. That makes it a good base for any sort of speculative masonry or guild.
Kinda yeah. Prior to Christianity though, they didn't really have conflict in the way we would consider it.
Emanationism built off ideas already present. It just made a framework that allowed these diverse groups to come together more easily.
It changes only once Christianity invents hardcore monotheism & separation of religions. This then leads into it being a dominant force, instead of a unifying one.

Breaking it down simply
Early emanationism: polytheist-animist-panentheist evolving into a theory of practice that unifies diverse groups. No ultimate difference on a truth level between a mithraist, orphist, Egyptian or Judean. Only difference ultimately is in terms of practice (and goal)

Post-christian emanationism: solidifies groups based on in/out statues. Black-white truth claims. Seeks to absorb and dominant other systems entirely.
>Why though?
Mandeans aren't Jews. Jesus wanted to claim himself as the rightful ruler of jerusalem and the one to restart it.

He's claiming he's the monarchical messiah of the dual-messiah theory of Judaism. If he isn't a full jew, he has no ultimate right to inheritance of the kingdom.
>locality.
Is this a documentation of "Izates' conversion to Judaism"?
Any comment on the importance of his bloodline or royal lineage, or was that all made up to legitimize his attempted kingdom?
It looks like it was made up to me. There's been a lot of confusion in Jesus blood line (primarily due to Christians conflating the kingdom & temple messiahs into one figure).
But Jesus himself is claiming blood & religious lineage to the historic kings of Israel.

I don't know if the mandeans have any continuation on this.
[2/?]

This has been the best thread on this board in the last while. I might make a new one to continue the discussion.

>>42492727
Jews absolutely reject his claim to the throne though, and specify that he was born of a Roman soldier & Mary. They go through a lot to try and discount any potential inheritance to the Jewish kingdom & religion. Alot of this seems to be, IMHO, a reaction against Paul.
>Would the Torah be their document?
No, they actually hate the torah. Hate the Bible to. Alot of hate for the Quran in the regard also. But they're less vocal on the last, as they're trying to make themselves a protected religion under Islamic law (which has changed the way it functions modernly)
They have three main books; Ginza(big book), Drazd Yahya (book of John), Qulasta (prayers).
>And based on what was said earlier about Hebrew and Babylon, would this be Judeans reformed by Babylonian emanationism, or do you think emanationism is unique? I don't have that level of understanding of Babylonianism. I would think that the largest urban center would have everything, but it could have been as degenerate morally as Rome.
Not sure what you mean exactly, but if you're asking if they had emanationism - of course! They were in the same region ultimately. It was everywhere.
Mandaeism under Islamic (and Christian) pressure has organized itself as a monotheist religion.
In origin, it's not. It's dualist. It's system functioned once similarly to zoroastrianism.

Good gods vs bad gods, with good gods being uthra and under the rule of the supreme. Bad gods generally being demons with a bunch of different titles.

Mandaeism also has a ban on iconography, partially because the stars are used as icons (along with talismans). Also because depicting the divine in human form is sacrilege, as this world we live in is hell according to their theology.
>Howso?
Descendents of the same Canaanite religious community that incorporated figures like Noah, adam & abraham into their lineage.
Notably, they hate abraham.
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>>42492888
Something tantric or in the body?
As in actual mercury. Like the planet.
Some of the gods under mercury are good, a lot are bad.

Planets & stars are used in mandaeism to refer to both the uthra (good gods/angels) & demons. But they primarily take on a negative role, especially modernly.

They're used similarly to how the stars/planets are used in traditions like kabbalah, to describe a set of spiritual correspondences. Where they differ is that they're used to describe the "trapping" of beings in this realm. They're taken as entrouge to the female mother demon, ruha.

Interestingly, we have some latent evidence there may have been a non dual mandaeism at one point. But it's hard to trace, as they've islamicized greatly.
>Sounds like old skeptic attitudes, whether legitimate or overly stale.
It's ethno-religious tension. They see Jesus as someone who abandoned and fractured their community (which he kind of did.)
I do see what you mean though
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>>42492365
>They (the church) wants you to forget paganism exists,
disagree, the chatolic church at least is plenty of syncretisms: sol invictus -> christmas and many other pagan popular rituals scattered around Europe, also the mitra (same root of the OP) is a type of cerimonial vest, it is true they repurposed old temples tho or built on top of it.
Most of what's left from classical roman and greek era now in italian museums were collected by popes.

>>42492382
This is precisely what led to schism in the II century: Christianity is a revealed and universal religion , no initiation , no secret doctrines , that's how persisted to this day.

>>42493565
>no initiation, no secret doctrines
false
>>42493547
its funny seeing super judgmental get off my lawn satan christians practice something the bible speaks against
Jeremiah 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyIyXJs3u38&t=236s

This guy gives a simp take on the cult whereas Twyman gives the EXPOSED take. May you find the truth somewhere in the middle.

>>42492727
>primarily due to Christians conflating the kingdom & temple messiahs into one figure
Do you think there were historical versions of both that influenced the gospels?

>>42492888
>Not sure what you mean exactly, but if you're asking if they had emanationism - of course! They were in the same region ultimately. It was everywhere.
I think I understand the general concept of emanationism... Starting with the whole, then divided, then divided again. Filtered too. This seems to be how they structure the tree of life. I was also thinking though that this is how fractions work, and I know Babylon and I think Sumer has a numerological derivation for its gods. There's a numbered sequence from 0 to 60. They might skip some of the later numbers, as I only remember really reading up to 6 or 7.

>>42492914
>Where they differ is that they're used to describe the "trapping" of beings in this realm. They're taken as entrouge to the female mother demon, ruha.
Isn't that basically the qliphoth?

>>42493565
>schism in the II century
You mean marcionism?

>>42486254
No, it's Indo-European. Aryan. The Phrygian cap, the bull slaying. The kings of Atlantis slayed bulls. Mithras is the Kosmokrator, the lord of the cosmos. His right to rule is signified by the slaying of the bull. It was introduced to Anatolia, Caucasus and Iran by the Aryan southern migrations who got absorbed by the natives. Mihr, Mithra, Mithras

>>42489816
Indeed. What should have been an interesting thread is ruined by a cackle of ignoramus schizo retards.

>>42493893
This thread has been extremely illuminating, you must be daft.

>>42494121
unto the unenlightened, gems come off as schizo

>>42494292
>>42494121
LOL nvm you get what you deserve. Carry on you ”enlightened” people.

>>42494526
Please do tell which enlightening contribution you have made upon Mithras or perhaps have yet to make. Please do tell. I'm all ears.

Don't we do Catholicism enough here already, guys?

>>42486254
>Funny because no one seems to know what to do with Anatolia until the Byzantine Empire. Are they west, are they east? Nay.
Anatolia was the synthesis point of the Bell Beaker and Pontic-Caspian Steppe Nomads. They dug lots of tunnels there (or their ancestors perhaps, but who knows at this point?). You'll find MC1R, an allele, is prevalent among those in question.
>Phoenicians
>kicked out
There were several floods in the area. The Phoenicians (see plural of Phoenix) are who we're talking about when we mention the "sea peoples", anon.
>stronger connection
It's funny you mention this because it's a pretty important point in history that we're not really allowed to address in good faith in public or else we draw a lot of ire from a particularly veiled group.
>they are implicitly saying that Phoenicians are a brother race, which totally contradicts the myth of the Semite race.
Right. "Semite" seems to be heavily muddied as an actual ethnic designation. There's way too much that doesn't add up like the inability to metabolize lactose. I don't know if you guys get into muh Danaan yet, but this is where it leads. If you guys didn't trigger the bots very early on, this probably will.
>Slaying the Bull
Just read Frazier imo.
>Tyrian Purple
Funny story here: there were other people known for their "Purple", anon. Did you know Jesus was adorned in this very purple? Do you think he could metabolize lactose? Seems like he could since all his dudes talk about bees all the time. But, you know, I'm not sure many people would get the inside joke here, so it's only really so fun when someone realizes it and I get to do the whole, "oh, do you not know?!" thing. One of you should do it. It'd be funny.

>>42486540
Eyyyyyyy you did it.
Jesus wore Scythian Purple because he was a fucking Saka, a Shakya, a Scythian.
Say does anyone know what "Shakyamuni" comes from? Want to hear a funny story?

>>42486997
The red heads were the Priest-King class. The "jews" were apart of our mutt slave groups. Their history is in actuality comprised of being salves after all. They weren't lying. The issue is they said "Egyptians" when they meant "White People" and then they said "Amalek" when they, again, meant "White People".
So now does Loxism make sense, everyone?

>>42487113
>outbreed any remaining Phoenicians and replace them
They just fucking went to "Britian" (Albion), anon. It's not that hard. The guys with painted skin who were tall and rode horses and shit, drank milk, had lots of slaves and impregnated most of the world were the Picts or the Pict-Sidhe (you know, "Pixie"). Faeries. Druids. Dragons.
Is it making sense yet, everyone?

>>42487211
>Macedonian
>Scythian
something something Jesus
something something Ptolemy
something something "Last Pharaoh"
>>42487452
You motherfucker. Did you just summon me?

>>42486540
This