i became a psychic master and possess all sorts of valuable knoweldge for mystics. I have tried multiple times to take on students but none of them are serious about their studies or have the potential to progress beyond just the clairvoyant normie level. I'm realizing that my desire to teach others is also me seeking an affirmation of my wisdom. It made me reread the book of Ecclesiastes and the spiritual meaning of that text takes on a new life from this perspective.We want to hone our virtue to a fine point, but none of this knowledge can be truly transmitted to the next generation except through experience. They must go out into the world that God created and find the true wisdom, because all is made and unmade. Even wisdom is vanity. It cannot survive us, and we can barely preserve it. The ever pouring waters of divine wisdom fall upon our cups of ice, and we call what we have held onto ours.I finally understand the wisdom of the hermit's humility, and the deep sadness of Solomon. In conclusion on the matter-Remember him—before the silver cord is severed, and the golden bowl is broken;before the pitcher is shattered at the spring, and the wheel broken at the well,and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. “Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher. “Everything is meaningless!”
What even is point of this thread?
>>42487727Just because a thread wasn't made for you doesnt mean it doesn't have a purpose.
>>42487756Nigger I was asking you what you believe the point of this thread is. What I think is irrelevant.As someone who is preaching wisdom you don’t seem that wise
>>42487771>Nigger I was asking you what you believe the point of this thread is.It's self-evident to me. i just wish to share in ecstasis with others. Joy is supposed to be shared.
>>42487718>i became a psychic masterYou could be a superhero.
>>42487799i mean in a small way yeah. i have the ability to read people's intentions and sway them with my words to such an extent that i can meaningfully save their lives. I'm also supernaturally lucky and can do exorcisms and stuff and can see paranormal entities. i'm not making the avengers or anything but I have developed my gifts into a modest craft through years of practice. My goal is to achieve sainthood when i die.
>>42487718>all that for some Nietsczhe congrats or sorry that happened
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>>42487888>checked oh snap...
>>42487718hey anon i found your post to be intriguing and would like to know more about this knowledge as somebody who is interested in mysticism. where can i learn more?
>>42487914This is what I can think give as a guideline.Well the nice thing is that the more you learn the more it connects to everything else. My favorite works are Medieval Christian mystics. If you do decide to study them, please don't be afraid of reading books written by women because many of the best works come from them. Often, I found that by looking at their great moral characters it pushes you to elevate yourself. Alongside these things, dedicate your entire heart to prayer and be sure to pray daily. You can tell that you're praying right because you feel a trembling in your heart from the prescence of god. It takes a lot of time to develop, but I personally found saying the rosary for the intention of other people's souls helps quite a lot. Never allow yourself to hold evil in your heart. Negative emotions blow against our hearts and chill us like the wind, but as long as we let them pass they will not corrupt us. A vessel for the pure divine love should not accumilate toxins. Hold no resentments in your heart, and learn to forgive whenever possible. When you cannot overlook something, put your greatest effort into ensuring that its product is the elevation of virtue. Do not judge others harshly, because you are a wretch in the eyes of god. Do not let them condemn you to despair either, for God wishes for nothing more than your redemption.Spend time speaking with the plants and animals and learn of their virtues that humanity has forgotten. Live a life of service and humility. Speak with the lonely and the angry and the sad and truly try to understand their hearts. Do not allow yourself to see this as an act of suffering for the sake of others, for you are already giving yourself salvation. Compared to salvation, pride is merely dust.
>>42487718>>42487996Good stuff. Don't let yourself believe that your abilities are you or that they are for your own benefit. The soul is just a vessel for the grace of God.
>>42488023Save now, I pray, O Lord;O Lord, I pray, send now prosperity.Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!We have blessed you from the house of the Lord.God is the Lord,And He has given us light;Bind the sacrifice with cords to the horns of the altar.You are my God, and I will praise You;You are my God, I will exalt You.Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good!For His mercy endures forever.
Any idea why I prayed for one full year for God to relieve me from this spirit who is harassing/torturing me AND nothing happened. BUT I do a cleansing bath from a book about witchcraft/spiritual work and find immediate relief (Called on Adonai and Elohim)? That doesn't make sense to me and was a big part in me denouncing my religion. With your wisdom can you tell me why prayers don't work (including saying the rosary for others). But I call on God with a jewish nickname for god to bless some water and that works. Any ideas? I was fairly religious.
>>42487718Any books you recommend
>>42488111God won't answer a prayer if it wouldn't be for your spiritual benefit. As for the cleansing ritual, can you explain it in detail? Were you Catholic?
>>42488141I was Catholic. I renounced my faith. The ritual bath was simple. It was asked god bless the salt and water then instruct it to clean and the removal of all spells and spirits. It was ask this be "for the service of divinity". That worked tremendously but when i pray it doesn't work. The spirit would mock me praying.If you also know how I can get rid of this evil spirit who harasses me I would like to hear it.
>>42488165I should add that the bath removed all the spiritual ick, made me feel great and allowed me to mentally block out the spirit. Prays, including the rosary, did nothing. I was Catholic and even went to church for many years.
>>42488111I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My beloved is knocking:“Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one.My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.”I have taken off my robe— must I put it on again?I have washed my feet— must I soil them again?My beloved thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him.I arose to open for my beloved, and my hands dripped with myrrh,my fingers with flowing myrrh, on the handles of the bolt.I opened for my beloved, but my beloved had left; he was gone. My heart sank at his departure.[a]I looked for him but did not find him. I called him but he did not answer.The watchmen found me as they made their rounds in the city.They beat me, they bruised me; they took away my cloak, those watchmen of the walls!Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you— if you find my beloved,what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love.God refuses to give a true name for us to use. This is why God only declares that I am what I am. The divine names are not truly names, but rather titles given to that which has too many faces to see at once. You might have learned effective prayer towards one aspect of God faster than the other aspects. For example, God is like a father to us, and God is like a king to us, but we are not princes of God. These things can be understood together, but it requires dilligent prayer and meditation to reconcile. The goal of the mystic is to learn to find God in all things. Finding God in something is already a great achievement, but to end your journey there is idolatry. The wicked will tell you "God is in all things so God is in wickedness", but in wickedness is death and in death there is nothing. You need to find the contact points with God that you have been blessed with and use those to develop your weaker connections further down the road.
>>42488165Are you still being harrassed even after the ritual bath then? What is the nature of the harrassment?Do you normally wear any kind of jewelry or fragrance? What materials are they?For Catholics, every instance of demonic oppression happens with God's permission, and it is allowed to happen for the sanctification of the person being oppressed. It isn't usually a permanent condition, although notoriously in St. Paul's case it was (2 Corinthians 12).The purpose of any kind of ceremony is to focus your attention, which increases the efficacy of your prayer. It's not the case that a ritual bath is one kind of thing and ordinary prayer another. They are supposed to support one another. This is a fundamental principle of the folk medicine which forms a large part of the basis of modern witchcraft.If the spirit assailing you does not find holy things repulsive, then it's not a devil, and you should be looking for a natural remedy. Neither renouncing your faith nor becoming more fervent in it will necessarily help. A Catholic exorcist is a specialist who would know about expelling spirits that come from hell but not other kinds of spirits, and there are many other kinds.
>>42488122https://www.pathsoflove.com/bernard/on-loving-god.htmlThis is a start and one of my favorite works. The Order of the Virtues is also one of my favorite short ones.The Catena Aurea is probably my favorite biblical commentary. It's a good way to get into interpreting the bible because it shows different conceptualizations side by side without being heretical or prideful. I also like a lot of non-Christian works like the Zhuangzi and Platainus as well as more modern thinkers like Rousseau and Spinoza. The nonlinear way of thinking helps to open your mind to transcendental readings and experience.
>>42488227>You need to find the contact points with God that you have been blessed with and use those to develop your weaker connectionsI don't understand in this context. Use the bath to strengthen my Christianity? No. I have abandoned the church for mainly the reason I described. I don't see myself going back as the few gifts I was given was torn away from me by wicked spirits. I left the love of my life due to a trick by an evil spirit. The Christian spirits and saints ignored me for years and let me fester in the pain from the wicked. I won't go back after this spiritual fermentation except if the love of my life is back with me and that doesn't seem to be a possibility.If you know how to get rid of this spirit who harasses me please tell me. Maybe I will become a Christian again if it works.
>>42488232And there was war in Heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in Heaven.And the great dragon was cast out — that serpent of old called the Devil and Satan, who deceiveth the whole world. He was cast out onto the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.And I heard a loud voice saying in Heaven, “Now have come salvation and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ; for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
>>42488246>Are you still being harrassed even after the ritual bath then?Yes>What is the nature of the harrassment?I can hear him with my third eye. He is usually screaming all sorts of insults at me, he tries to trick me to cause bad things to happen to me and those around me.>Do you normally wear any kind of jewelry or fragrance?None. I am a minimalist.>For Catholics, every instance of demonic oppression happens with God's permissionI have been suffering very tremendously for 2 decades. Not just this spirit, I have had many from before. If this torture was condoned by god then I want absolutely nothing to do with god. Thanks for telling me I made the correct decision leaving the church.>then it's not a devilIt's not the devil. It's a spirit trying to become an "agent of evil" he admires the evil and wants to be a "bad guy", he wants to be a demon. But he is not one. He caused me a lot of trouble including physical pain.
>>42488281I'm sorry for failing to express myself. Please give me another chance to elaborate.I suppose I don't understand how baptizing yourself and calling upon God for mercy makes you less Christian. I think you might just be suffering from confusion when attributing the source of your healing. The world is described as the separation of waters, just like the immersion of a body in a bath. The purification of baptism is one of the sacraments and one of the levels of divine revelation. Misattributing the power of God to the name is why blasphemy was considered to be such a serious crime for a long time. Consider the process nonverbally if you can. The water takes on your filth and washes it away. The blood of christ ran with water throughout. Water gives life. The oldest passages in the bible are about God coming down with the water. You have learned to understand God in one way. But God is not just in water. Perhaps you are inclined to senses and could benefit from meditations on the classical elements. God dwells in the Earth, is carried on the wind, and lives in fire too. Try to connect with God on one of these aspects next, and you might understand more.
>>42488342>I think you might just be suffering from confusionNo. If a god condones me suffering greatly for 20 years I will not worship him or follow him. It was too much. I called on god using a nickname other religions use. Also in the ritual bath was calling on god the mother, the earth mother. So my relief could be through that route. The ritual was designed so anyone can use it, no matter what their religion is. So to me that means I can (and should) leave the Christian faith because god wanted me to suffer so much I became damaged. My heart is poisoned I got so much abuse from the other spirits.>You have learned to understand God in one wayYes. And not only am I disgusted I don't want anything to do with the Christian god unless he reunites me with my love so that my soul can heal. Simple as.>Perhaps you are inclined to senses and could benefit from meditations on the classical elementsI just started doing this a couple weeks ago and it helps a lot. I was a fool trusting god over these methods.
>>42488321Ok. Just a couple further questions. Do you practice any kind of serious meditation? When you used to pray the rosary, for instance, would you take care to visualize the mysteries as vividly as possible? (This is not commonly taught nowadays but it is in fact an essential part of the traditional rosary, just fyi)Have you suffered any significant childhood trauma? Have you experienced missing time or strange gaps in your memory?
>>42488399It's difficult meditating when a spirit is screaming at you. I do 10-20 minutes daily. I didn't dwell on the mysteries. No trauma. Memory gaps, but those are explained due to brain damage I got in 2020.
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>>42488390I knew a man who was paralyzed in his whole body for 20 agonizing years until he passed and he never stopped praising God and smiling to life. He never complained, not even once, and I was there for it, he never denied me a smile.Just saying that, anon. The man couldn't do anything by himself, anything. 20 years.Think about it.
>>42488390>My heart is poisonedYou can identify the problem. Please let go of the misery and bitterness. God loves you. That poison in your heart will hurt you no matter what your mind claims to know. There isn't a way to escape God. Judge not lest ye be judged. God's judgement is much more terrifying than the judgement you can inflict upon God. Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults; whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse. Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you. Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still; teach the righteous and they will add to their learning. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. For through wisdom your days will be many, and years will be added to your life. If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you; if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.
>>42488424>God loves youYou just said god gave me this poison on purpose. Why would I love a god who gave me so much spiritual abuse.
>>42488417I have two recommendations. The first is mindfulness meditation, because the spirit is looking for your attention, and he will stick around as long as he can get it. You need a form of meditation that you can practice whenever you are awake or dreaming, and mindfulness weakens the bond of attention between you and the spirit.The second recommendation is to get checked out for a dissociative disorder, especially because you have had brain damage and even though these attacks seem to have begun before the brain damage happened.
>>42488458Lol you think me wanting to turn my back on a god who wanted me to be abused for two decades is because of a dissociative disorder. Wow. You are thick headed, even for a Christian.
>>42488475No I think the spiritual attacks you're suffering are comorbid with dissociation. You obviously want to turn your back on God because he didn't answer your prayers. That's what you said, and furthermore, if that's what you want to do, it's none of my business.
>>42488444God wouldn't poison you. A lake has waters that are pure and clean, because it accepts the streams that flow into it. A pond becomes stagnant and fetid because those waters are no longer coming in. Our hearts are the same way. Without the constant love and grace of God, suffering and death become out existence. This is not caused by God, but by the closing of our hearts. Let the water of life flow through you, down from the heavens and out across the earth. Pollution of the soul comes from holding onto our blessings too tightly, and refusing to let them go. 32 Don't forget all the hard times you went through when you first received the light. 33 Sometimes you were abused and mistreated in public, and at other times you shared in the sufferings of others. 34 You were kind to people in jail. And you gladly let your possessions be taken away, because you knew you had something better, something that would last forever.Keep on being brave! It will bring you great rewards. Learn to be patient, so you will please God and be given what he has promised. As the Scriptures say,“God is coming soon! It won't be very long. The people God acceptswill live because of their faith.[b]But he isn't pleasedwith anyone who turns back.”We are not like those people who turn back and get destroyed. We will keep on having faith until we are saved.
>I became a psychic masterHello Mr, I would like to order one psychic reading please.
>>42488493>it's none of my business.Just trying to reach out one more time >God wouldn't poison you.The spirits did. And according to this thread God condoned it.>suffering and death become our existenceIt was suffering for 20 years. If god is cool with that, I don't want to follow him.>two more weeks Lol
>>42488530You're extremely determined to pursue some goal, and you fiercely pursue truth to the verge of audacity. It strikes me that whatever you hold in your heart isn't the sort of thing that gets lightened by confiding in another. If so I'm curious to know, why did you ask the question?
>>42488542>It was suffering for 20 years. If god is cool with that, I don't want to follow him.Just because something happens doesn't mean that it's the will of God. Things that happen specifically because God personally ordains them are miracles.
>>42488542>Just trying to reach out one more time>The spirits did. And according to this thread God condoned it.I am Not That Anon. I assume the person trying to convert you is OP trying to "read people's intentions and sway them with my words to such an extent that i can meaningfully save their lives" and you know, typically online that translates to "convince you that what I believe is true."You mentioned that you changed your religious convictions because of what you're going through and that's the only reason why I address it at all. It's true that God permits spirits to do these sorts of things to people in Catholicism, in fact he permits every evil thing that ever happens, so if you can't go along with that, then don't. Focus on what's practically feasible for you right now.
>>42488591According to the religion I was in, Catholism, it is the will of god.>>42488621I'm not becoming a Christian again. Sorry. God must have miscalculated my limit.
>>42488636>I'm not becoming a Christian again. Sorry. God must have miscalculated my limit.For the third time, I do not care; although since it's the third time now, I think that maybe you really want me to. I repeat: AFAICT you're not suffering from diabolical oppression and going back to church won't help to get rid of it. I think that mindfulness meditation and therapy have a chance to help so I hope you try them. Good luck.
>>42488653Silent meditation works better imo.
>>42488714Better for what though?
>>42488719Dealing with abuse from spirits. If you change your vibration state away from them and meditate for silence it's surprisingly effective. Mindfulness would dwell on the situation too long, giving it attention and legitimacy.
>>42488745That's mostly fair, although the point of vipassana is precisely to refrain from dwelling on anything too long
>>42488574I kneel to the psychic master, I am those things. I will not confide with plebeians.I asked because I wanted to know if you were legit. I felt your energy reach for my heart and I knew you were legit when I felt that. When you read people you can reach for other places that are not just the heart btw. I'm more of a head kind of guy.I'm a psychic >>42439938
>>42487718https://youtu.be/cQReakm-Umohttps://youtu.be/Dye5BmmEdcohttps://youtu.be/677kTin0ojI
>>42488636>According to the religion I was in, Catholism, it is the will of godI would recommend reading St. Augustine for this stuff. He's very compelling.>>42488768>When you read people you can reach for other places that are not just the heart btw. I'm more of a head kind of guy. I'm a psychicAttuning my senses to intellect is very unhealthy for me, because the fallen angels possess an intellect superior to my own. What they know led their hearts to damnation, but what I know lies within the vault of God. Their words do not assail love, and their spite breaks against love like waves against stone. I don't trust myself to operate in realms outside of the protection of God. It's cool that you're a spiritual healer though, that's a very noble use of your gifts. For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
>>42487718Reject dualistic systems OP, most of them are a trap who trivialize the complexity of the actual world
>>42487718>I became a psychic masterNo you haven't.>And possess all sorts of valuable knowledgeNo you don't.>I have tried multiple times to take on students No you haven't>I'm realizing that my desire to teach others is also me seeking an affirmation of my wisdom.Finally some honesty. You want someone to validate you.>Even wisdom is vanity No it's not.Wisdom is never vanity and cannot be vanity because wisdom is never ours. Wisdom can exist without us, it is not something to possess, only observe and then embody. When someone begins to feel wise, that's vanity. That isn't wisdom, because if they actually discerned wisdom they'd already know there is nothing to feel vain about. You are not wise OP. Neither am I. You are sincere in your pursuit of wisdom and I respect that. All you need to do is admit you are not wise and you will be closer to wisdom. Those who are wise know they are not wise. People who profess themselves to be wise become fools. Man will have many times when he is wise, and many times he will be a fool. That's life.
>>42488900>reject>dualismDualism gives rise to monoism.Is it not said:I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.One gives way to everything, this is creation. Everything gives way to One, this is redemption. In two there is One. This is divine union. In two there is everything, because there is One. To put it another way,"When two or more are gathered in my name, I am with you"
>>42489008If you think that the Book of Ecclesiastes is fundamentally false then obviously my thoughts about it won't interest you. You're rejecting the axioms which isn't inherently a bad thing but it's outside of the realm of discourse. Nothing belongs to us. Everything is a gift from God. Just because God gave you life doesn't mean that you aren't alive. All virtue is just the embodiment of God's grace.
>>42489008>noooo you have to be shit like me!!!!t. npc hylic with no powers
>>42488848>I would recommend reading St. AugustineNo. I want to be very far away from a Catholic system of anything given that they are cool with abuse from the spirit world. I can't believe I wasted decades of life on this shit. I've converted people to this. I feel so bad doing that.
>>42489172Satan tempted Jesus too. We all have our cross to bear. In battling against the enemy, I don't understand how you came to see your protector in this way. Demons can enact moral evils against us in the same way people can. Being the victim of a crime wouldn't make God ignoble. It's just a part of life in a world that isn't at one with God.
>>42487996>My favorite works are Medieval Christian mysticshey!!! me too :D although i havent read as many of them as i like yet- :(. ive read 3/4 of St Augustine's confessions. I'm planning to read plotinus enneads before moving onto psuedo Dionysus, meister eckhart, st bernard of clairveux, etc. and although not medieval i love st teresa of avila! any female medieval mystics you reccomend? thank you so much for all this advice. it is beautifully written and i will save it for when i need it
>>42489420Nta but do you really not understand? Was it someone else who recommended Saint Augustine? In the City of God he explains that according to Varro, the Romans sacrificed to their gods in exchange for worldly benefits, but the sacrifice of the cross was superior because the benefit that it granted was eternal salvation.A worldly person is precisely one who sees more value in the tangible but impermanent things of the world than in a blessed eternity, and to that one the Christian God is precisely a tormentor, wherefore according to the gospels, if he dies in his sin, then in consequence he is tormented forever.Know that the demons are at one with God, albeit against their will. Every demonic attack happens with God's permission, including the temptation to pretend to judge the will of God by the standard of one's own.
>>42489420I don't think you understand. According to Catholism it was the will of God. I cannot worship a god who did that to me.
>>42489071I never said the Book of Ecclesiastes was false. I am telling you that your perspective of wisdom is in error. Ecclesiastes talks of Earthly wisdom, which is not wisdom, a false wisdom. Any 'wisdom' that is not orientated towards God is fool's gold, that is what Solomon speaks of. >All virtue is just the embodiment of God's grace.Absolutely true, I agree with you.I suppose what I really want to tell you is stop being so hard on yourself and stop expecting too much out of yourself. You are only a human. >>42489104>Hylic buzzword Ger a personality
>>42489649Nta but God didn't do anything to you. Whatever folly you did, you did that yourself. Temptation or not, you had a choice to answer temptation or ignore it. You chose to answer it, that's on you. It's on me and everyone, we all fall short and give in to temptation. God doesn't inflict temptation, but he allows you to choose it if that is your choice. Just as a father allows a wayward son to go out into the world and do drugs and risk his life, the father does not approve yet the father will not chain his own son to a basement to prevent his free will, that would not be the loving thing to do. Because it deprived the son of freedom and also deprives the son the chance to learn from mistakes.God allows it only out of faith in (you), faith that you will do the right thing in the end. That is why it is righteous to return that faith to God and trust in Him. Because God trusts you.
>>42489702>temptation>free will is important This has absolutely nothing to do with temptation or freewill. It's like you are a sign from the universe that I have made the right decision.
>another episode of a narcissistic christcuck being a narcissistic christcuckpsychic master my ass
>>42489728You haven't changed then. You go from expecting signs and intercessions from God to reaching out for signs from the Universe to influence your decision making. Free will is important and your problem is you were given the gift of free will but refused it, neglected to use it. That's why you have that mindset where you think God inflicted woe upon you and I am going to predict whenever things don't go your way, you'll blame the Universe same as you blame God.
>>42489763Have some respect for psychic sensei or I will fuck your astral bussy.
>>42489876go ahead, try it faggotop is a mentally ill abrahamic cuck btw
>>42487718>the world that God created lol. lmao even. The universe was not created, it has always existed. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Maybe if you spent less time reading religious nutjobs and more time learning about actual science, you wouldn’t be such a cringe dumbass
>>42489771>Expecting signs Nope. If I get help from a ritual bath and no help from 2 years of prayer it shows to me praying doesn't work.>I rejected free will No. I am using it completely. Any sign I mentioned was confirmation.>you think God inflicted woe upon youAccording to the Catholic tradition God is in control of demons and spiritual suffering. As in if it happened god wants it. I am rejecting a God that condoned and endorsed a bit too much suffering on my part from evil spirits.
>>42489902Ok you're going to feel some weird sensations in your anus. I'm also going to drop a fat shit in the middle of your mind.It will feel pleasurable if you're gay.
>>42489658>I suppose what I really want to tell you is stop being so hard on yourself and stop expecting too much out of yourself. You are only a human. It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting,for death is the destiny of everyone; the living should take this to heart. Frustration is better than laughter, because a sad face is good for the heart. The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure. It is better to heed the rebuke of a wise person than to listen to the song of fools. Like the crackling of thorns under the pot, so is the laughter of fools. This too is meaningless. Extortion turns a wise person into a fool, and a bribe corrupts the heart. The end of a matter is better than its beginning, and patience is better than pride. Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of fools. Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?” For it is not wise to ask such questions. Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing and benefits those who see the sun. Wisdom is a shelter as money is a shelter,but the advantage of knowledge is this: Wisdom preserves those who have it.I think that i must disagree with you here. Wisdom is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I believe that wisdom is a gift that we use to pursue the divine truth, not the complete oneness with divine truth in itself. In fact, wisdom could even contribute to evil. The fallen angels possessed great wisdom which is what made their crimes truly unforgivable. Sin is accompanied by discernment and intellect, which is why we see animals as incapable of it. I think it's a convenient, but imprecise reduction, to say that wisdom and goodness are the same thing. After all, Solomon was supremely wise but still fell into folly.
>>42489925an Abrahamic idiot talking about wisdom would be hilarious if it wasn’t so cringe . You wouldn’t know the first thing about wisdom.
>>42489924well? i'm not feeling anythingalso don't project your faggotry onto me
>>42489580Hildegard of Bingen is the greatest of them, but I highly recommend checking out The Mirror of Simple Souls and the fragments of Revelations of Divine Love. I'm really happy you're into this topic too. I really think the entire realm deserves a reneissance after it was so thoroughly buried by the Reformation.I haven't read plotinus enneads before, thank you for pointing me in this direction. I really hope you enjoy Confessions, I feel like it's dripping with wisdom. No matter how much you wring out from it more pours still.>>42489622>if he dies in his sin, then in consequence he is tormented forever.Sin is torment, of course you are tormented forever if you die in it. There is no suffering God inflicts upon those outside his light. It would be like blaming the sun for not shining inside a cave. Bernard of Clairvaux talks about living in sin in a really compelling way. It isn't doctrinal that those who are judged are forbidden by God from being redeemed. The interpretation I prefer is that they are incapable of choosing God which is why they were not permitted purgation.
>>42489906I hope you can find God anon. He is the source of goodness and will bring you joy. I'll pray for your intention tonight.
>>42489958I placed my seed inside you. Your mind also has my seed in it now. Go ahead and feel the pleasure sensation, that's me. I will leave it there if you want.
>>42490020nice homo fantasy, fagstill feel nothing btwbut sure do larp more, it's almost amusing
>>42490014I hope you can find a science textbook so you stop being such an insufferable moron
>>42490043Maybe you liked my seed too much. How about some schizo energy this time? I can transfer infinite amounts to you from other schizos on the board.
>>42490074yes sure go ahead fagafter all i'm bored and do enjoy occasionally poking sticks in self-important shitstains like you who think they are capable of anything whatsoever
>>42490064I understand science. Science is just one of the many things God has given us. To not understand it would be to ignore one of God's gifts. Science alone is not the path to discover love, happiness, or virtue though. That is just another false idol.
>>42490103I always wanted to test this out on someone so that's good. Don't worry if you lie about your reaction I can still see your real reaction in your head.
>>42490128ok do read my mind then, lmaodivine my age, where i live and what i do while you're at italso i assume you're that "acanon" fag larping as some sort of healer in another thread? well guess what you replied to me there once. now tell me what it was, mr pretend-psychic
>>42489994Any suffering that God inflicts is fitting and just, whereas fallen men are only wretched sinners. All Catholics believe this. But even more than that, Calvary shows that not every evil suffered is a punishment for one's own sins, and that suffering in general is a holy gift and something with redemptive value. But this is very difficult for worldly people to accept. That is why they mocked Jesus as he suffered on the cross and also why there is no use in debating the point with an apostate who comes to you ostensibly for help.Not only is it not doctrinal that reprobates are forbidden by God from being redeemed, it's doctrinal that they are redeemed. Redemption is held distinct from salvation, it means that the price for one's sins has been paid, and Catholics believe that this is universal. Thus the grace to be saved is available to all, although not all will cooperate with it. In the sense that the refusal to cooperate with grace is a free choice, it can be said that the sufferings of hell are self-inflicted. Whether the damned cannot or will not repent is a distinction without a difference for a soul outside of time.If there were no desire for validation, then this thread would not exist in the first place. The anon who rec'd Plotinus has taste, but it is even better to start with the Areopagite or, for a medieval expression of that spirituality, the Cloud of Unknowing, the Privy Book of Counselling, the Epistle on Prayer, and the same anonymous author's English translation of Dionysius' Mystic Theology. Start with the last. It begins with an important admonition: do not discuss these matters with normies, not even Catholic normies. There are many good reasons for this: they are too sophisticated to understand the agnosia correctly; discourse is just another creature placed between you and your God; it inculcates pride and dissimulation; etc.Plotinus is downstream of Dionysius imo. Modern scholarship disagrees though.
>>42490166I'm not a Catholic I'm an Arianist.
>>42490159Do you really want me to say your humiliation ritual job in front of everybody? I think they are going to laugh.
>>42490236yes please do, i'm waiting to laugh at you (more) as well
>>42490226Same anon recommending Augustine again? You retarded, son?
>>42490257I also recommended Spinoza, I don't exactly have the same outlook on acquiring insight as an orthodox
>>42490273Yeah transcendent intuition is a thing, but then there's also just plain lack of rigor.
>>42490236
Funnily enough, i feel myself reaching a somewhat alike state.Specially on meditations and knowledge of mystics.Yet my path is following much more of a intuition through paths and testing myself than reading anything or guiding anywone.My projects work, my objectives work, my worrys dissapear and yet i dont really pray for god or such.I tend do either meditate on my intentions and get intoxicated with my objectives.From there i won't stop till i reach it, and so far its been a streak of Ws
>>42490316Nothing ever happens....
>>42490286well im reading your recommendation now, I like proclus so im excited to read it
Jewish book of fairy tales, ridiculous rituals, and psuedohistory>dragons>giant flying snakes that destroy villages*eyeroll*>ooga booga le evil spirits infesting the airChristian superstitions about demons come from an ancient pre-science people who couldnt figure out how storms and tornados work.A deluded priest claimed once that hurricanes were because of "voodoo" and not the water cycle.
>>42490370You will also note the prophecies of religious people always fail. Literally all religious prophecies fail. Also, the bible was altered by scribes, passages were added to create the illusion of reliability.Some of it has been falsified. Some of it has some historical accuracy. Its not infallible and it never ever predicts the future. World will never end. Rapture never happened.
>>42490392>no u gotta uhh, eat this dead jews flesh and blood to go to "heaven">also ignore the evil deeds the church leaders do>oh yeah confess your sins to them>no store up wealth, unless it is the church, thats okAt least they do charity I guess.
>>42490344im disappoint. hoped he'd at least try pulling some barnum effect strawman. oh well
>>42490334I'm really happy to hear of your success anon
>>42490316Oh I kind of lost interest when the conversation diverted away from giving you all the schizo energy. I don't care about reading people who are motivated to deny everything and I'm not a stage magician for plebs.
>>42490471>i-i won't read you if you aren't gonna play along with what i sayso you can't do shit beyond posting screenshots of fellow play-pretendersas expected
>>42490494I can reduce the symptoms in kids with birth defects. You're a joke to me.>>42477838
>>42490113you absolutely do not understand science if you think the earth was created by a god. you’re an ignorant moron
>>42490392you’re wasting your breath on this guy. OP is a colossal dumbass, it was obvious as soon as he started talking about his imaginary skydaddy
>>42490608science does nothing to disprove God
>>42490597>haha i can read your mind any time>go on read it>ummm not interested, and i'm already famous elsewhere anywayKek. Btw your thread is full of make-believe larpers like yourself and the occasional desperate/impressionable anon who ends up employing self-suggestion after the random shit you tell them. I baited you there a few times and your "readings" were laughably wrong (and always different, lol).I initially intended to leave you be, but since you insist on being such a self-important little faggot I guess I'll have to change my mind about it.
>>42490734It absolutely disproves the god you believe in
>>42490803I disagree. In fact, I think the fact that time moves forward proves it. The coexistence of entropy and time suggests divine emanation.
>>42490773I'm capable of mind control. You have no power here.
>>42490850If God is unwilling to do something, then it is evil. Please do not jeopardize your soul with witchcraft.
>>42490863Don't worry I know it's bad karmically but if someone wants it then it should be fine.
>>42490872No, please stop that. You know that it isn't fine, otherwise you wouldn't be making excuses. Please just pray with me instead right now and stop being stupid and apologize to God for the evil stuff you just said.
>>42490879I don't subscribe to only one religion. I consider everything holistically. I'm more aligned with left hand path and buddhism/shinto.
>>42490913Tsukimono possession is an evil in Shinto too. If you appreciate shinto you should already know that there are good spirits and bad spirits, buddhism too. you dont want to indulge 邪魔
>>42490927I pretty much only respect karma because I have seen what it does from life to life. The Indians are manifesting it massively.I only like shinto because I'm a shinto spirit. I'm not really good or bad.
>>42490955I feel like you're trying to hide from things that you know are true with your words.
>>42490984I'm not a servile cuck if that's what you're looking for. You won't reach the heights of magic if you restrain yourself.
>>42491005Why would I be so desperate to claw at the spiritual and drag it down to the material and further into death? That is the essence of damnation.
>>42491020>damnationChristianity boogieman. Use your abilities to read past lives and you will see reincarnation is there.Gaining more abilities is ascending and related to enlightenment.
>>42491036The stronger you get, the greater your capacity to break things. It doesn't mean that you should do it. it is a necessary attribute of power that it can only over-power things which are lesser than themselves. Better is compassion which uplifts those around you to a higher level. Just like somebody at the gym needs a strong spotter to get to a higher level, power exists to protect and elevate things which are less mature in their process of becoming. What you call being a "servile cuck" is participating in the uplifting which is greater than my own being is currently capable of. That's the difference between a vassal and a bandit.
>>42491069I have the power because that's my energy I belong here, like how birds belong in the sky. You can't tell a bird how it should fly, it's the expert on flying.You should consider more what the difference is between a free man and a slave.If you want to uplift people that's fine then that's your role. You are uplifting people inside a maya illusion within a multiverse and most of them are unconscious npcs. So your actions don't mean as much as you think. You would have a more accurate perception if you made more effort to see through illusion.I prefer something like buddhahood over empathy slop.
>>42491120>If you want to uplift people that's fine then that's your role.It is. When I said I was a "master" it was mostly to imply a degree of specialization. Helping others is what I have made my life into, and the path that I've chosen. I have total faith in God to guide me on the righteous path. I'm sorry that you can't share in the happiness of it.
>>42491125I do dabble in Christianity too. I use it to heal because it has the best healing energy. I shan't be submitting to anything though.
>>42491136If you understand buddhism you know that karma is good or bad or neutral. You have to pick a path. What you call a refusal of the highest "magic" is just a different path with different potentialities. That healing power you might have seen is just the tip of the iceberg of what is possible. You cannot have faith in God and not have faith in God at the same time. If you can see, but won't believe, I worry deeply for your soul.
>>42491147I'm too ascended to pick a path. I see everything. Maybe if you're a cow you can pick only one path.Christianity is simply an energy vibration on a spectrum, same as the other religions. It's like only picking purple on a rainbow.I already did pick a path in the past anyway. I was a tibetan monk in a past life.Don't worry about me. I'm ascending. You're allowed to think for yourself and be your own person you know.
>>42491171I don't think that what you're saying is true.
>>42491181If it wasn't true you would be able to refute it.
>>42491183One person cannot be everything. You're trying to claim to be greater than even God, and that's extreme blasphemy. I don't want to indulge it more.
>>42491189You have a fear of thinking for yourself. Many such cases.
>>42490392>>42490400>>42490612samefag.
>>42490817Neither entropy nor the forward progression of time-which is debatable, most physicists are eternalists and believe that the progression of time is an illusion-suggest creation. All of the wealth of scientific knowledge implies an eternal universe that always existed, and entropy does not imply a creation, the vast majority of scientists would disagree with you. Just like a creationist to take a surface level understanding of scientific concepts and baselessly assert their unsubstantiated drivel as fact when the majority of experts do not agree
>>42490850So you say and yet you can't mind control me.
>>42491666Youre appealing to authority without making an argument. More than half of scientists are religious, and those that arent still believe in psuedo religious frameworks like the many worlds interpretation. Im a math person and its very common to be theistic in that field.
>>42487718>Meditations on this or thatjust so long as one does not delude himself into thinking that contemplation is in any way a spiritual practice, or that contemplation will imbue spiritual progressjust aint happenin
>>42492290Contemplating knowledge is just like any other art. Profound things take a long time to digest, and without contemplation you don't develop understanding. Understanding profound things is an ecstatic process that is a reward unto itself in my opinion."Spiritual progress" isn't like grinding an xp bar
>>42487718I think I have the oposite problem , only through the others could I really make progress and stuff becoming to personal is a bad sign.
>>42494390Youre in a good spot then imo with your humility. It's perfectly ok to still be a nephyte. All things are demanded from in accordance to their ability. An openess to education will invariably result in growth. All teachers were students at some point. People like you are extremely valuable in the current state of the world.
>>42494484I don't think insofar that me relying on others is bad, because its kind of the fundation of my entire system (I can go more in dept if you would want).is just for some reason, when something becomes second nature , I feel a sort within that thing, their is a feeling of impotence and foolishness that happens after becomes to confertable that , I need to deal with. although currently I have been doing positive progress in dealing with that at least , I am unsure if I would call myself a nepheyte , but I am unsure what else could I call myself being honest , since I currently am , at a lack of vocabulary.
>>42494698I didnt mean to insult you by calling you a neophyte, I'm sorry if it wasn't spoken the way I intended. I'd love to hear more about what you're feeling so I might better understand.
>>42494698in part it feels like my current understanding either mixes into those other understandings , or the other understandings try to kill my current understanding
>>42494813no insult given, I was more so giving you the point with >I am unsure if I would call myself a nepheyte , but I am unsure what else could I call myself being honest , since I currently am , at a lack of vocabulary.that, but kind of implying that I feel bad about it , in a subjective preferences way. it doesn't fit, yet it fits.
>>42492275nothing in their fields is evidence for god. Yes, there are religious people in physics, but they know that their field does not prove their religion, and if it did, they would be trying to prove that, but they’re not. Stop being a dishonest hack and admit that there’s nothing in science or mathematics that proves god.
>>42494823I really do think admitting something like that to yourself is admirable. Please don't be too hard on yourself, you are on the pilgrim's road too. Nobody has the right to insult or diminish you.>>42495156>Stop being a dishonest hack and admit that there’s nothing in science or mathematics that proves god.What we consider proof are probably different. Just the existence of beauty is proof of God to me. If you want to constrain the existence of god with the coarse bindings of rationality, I can't do that for you. But science gives us transcendental glimpses into divinity in much the same way as other great works of dedication.
