Life eats other life, and everything dies and has an end. It is the cycle that leads to intelligence through complexity. But there is karmic balance and overconsumption leads to species extinction. Life must live in a sort of "hell" or "struggle" to experience hardship in order to grow and achieve balance.Selective pressures have no intent, but the cosmic laws behind them are, because they lead to struggle through selective pressures. The intent itself is that desire for struggle, that the universe appears to seek out (evidence: you exist, and so do other "you"s, such as "me")Life selectively evolves to find struggle desirable. The constant upkeep of maintaining a biomass (a large part of your microbiome not even consisting of human DNA or "you") is inherently a struggle, so evolution selects for finding it enjoyable, creating "desire." Pleasure and pain are synonymous, and both not real. They are just the evolved selected for responses of "avoid this" and "seek out this." But because everything is designed to end, seeking out desire inherently leads to pain, while pain, on the inverse, is also finite. Pleasure inevitably leads to pain and suffering, but suffering also ends, as a balance. They are both temporary states of being, leading to the inevitability of eventual complete stillness.There is a sort of cosmic law of actions leading to rebound effects and opposite reactions; it is what led to the creation of life, and it is what defines the struggle for life to continue.Life must "move" and "grow" through a universe that is created to decay and die. All life shares an origin; all biomass on earth is in this struggle together. The earth's one organism, growing for greater complexity. It's intelligent down to the grass blades, and the more "you" take, the more the cycle of growth and struggle learns to respond to take from "you." If you create suffering, suffering rebounds to you. The more you create hell, the more you experience hell.Don't eat meat.
But it tastes good
Note that you can ethically eat meat and cheese and milk and shit, but not by modern conditions. You are not an alpha gigachad hunter gatherer in pre-expulsion from eden earth. Modern "farming" is basically as close as you can get to creating hell on earth. It is the personification of human greed and overconsumption: we produce enough onions to feed 100 billion souls, creating these conditions for them, instead of literally eating the food that grows on trees.All because, individually, humans want more and more and more. 75-90% of the human race has not unlocked the ability to feel compassion for other beings (aka intelligence) and are basically on the level of the animals they eat.Its actually fine, because all suffering is temporary and our overconsumption will literally force humans to go vegan eventually or collapse the biosphere (life itself will survive, but will have to make a new update)The more fear and torture you put into meat the more that shit literally gives you cancer and disease, too. Balance.
>>42501758if I was meant to be vegan I wouldn't have devoured my mother's tithttps://www.brighteon.com/0423765f-af68-4fc8-9b29-3ae8a450fdfe
>>42501783You took from your mother so you could grow. The cycle. You caused her tit to swell with disease and pus, and the skin to crack and blister, and the healing she had to do aged her body in turn. You carry on her legacy and hopes and dreams now as a burden, so there was a cosmic balance.
>>42501758>>42501767>>42501782>>42501783>>42501799Animals are not evolved to be eaten. They are evolved to avoid being eaten as much as possible. Plants are literally incentivized to be eaten by you due to the selective pressures of life; we are evolved in symbiosis to the point that we literally gestate and shit out their seeds to create new plants.Eating a variety of plants repairs the continuous damage you sustain through day-to-day wear and tear the best, as plants are literally evolved and selected for biocompatibility with you on a general level. All animals get their proteins from plants. Not a single protein is produced by the animals that run around that you eat.Eating meat as a cosmic and physical cost. You and the animals you eat are one and the same, so in the grand scheme of things, it is insignificant, but you pay for it through your body breaking down and the earth itself seeking cosmic rebound into your life, with divine intent.
>>42501813To conclude my schizo interpretation of the world and life, I would like to offer an even more schizo statement.I think hunter gatherer society was eden earth, and the production of agriculture shortened our lifespans from nigh infinite to our current shitty levels, because we are malnourished hairless halfbreeds from eating diseased animals and mutated crops for 13,000 years. I have evidence to prove this and will be posting this.You can eat meat ethically. You have to kill it stress free and use it fully to not suffer rebound. It is a cosmic law, and modern methods are intentionally designed to maximize the hit to your karma (the people in charge know how karma works)
>>42501758Karmic balance and karma will always exist, but it's up to you to accept or reject the "debt" you owe.Ultimately, karmic debt is unbeatable. There is no point in participating in it when the only way it can be resolved is if this dimension ceased to exist.The meaning of this life and all other forms of existence is inherently arbitrary and is what you make of it. Fixed modality in the cosmic scale is materialist belief, when the truth is that such concepts are an illusion. It can dissolve in an instant.
>>42501782What an absolutely nightmarish image. poor baby. i pray for this baby and also even the people that killed him. thanks for sharing this image even though i dont like to look at it
>>42501758I've been a vegan since 2020. Also, Yes is a great band. You seem like my kind of guy.
>>42501834The "fruit" in the story of Eden is very ambiguously untold, but very common in Islamic tradition and especially early Jewish interpretation to be "wheat." The babylonian Talmud is annotated with the joke "a child does not know how to say Father and Mother until he tastes grain," and the original word for "fruit" used is not the same way we use the word fruit in English. The word used can mean any edible plant, largely, and is used to refer to wheat elsewhere. The apple idea was a medieval invention.Agriculture arose in the fertile crescent, in pre-history. Jewish people were likely the first to practice agriculture, forced to due to retreating ice caps and increasing desertification. It was less a choice, and more a survival strategy.Agriculture is actually shit for the modern human in all ways from hours worked, to physical health and more. For someone who says it all better than I can, see the below article.http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/thoc/Readings/Diamond_WorstMistake.pdfBasically early agriculture (and even to this day with machines and slave labor) is knuckle and ligament breaking work that literally destroys the body and produces shitty, low nutrient calories.The reason agriculture won however is because evolution and selection pressures do not select for "best" or "healthiest." They select for whatever reproduces the most.100 malnourished farmers beat 10 hearty and strong hunter gatherers. We took a hit to all aspects of our life, in exchange for population growth.
Sometimes I feel like I'm gonna go insane from knowing the kind of hell that takes place in factory farm. Not financing it is all I can do.
>>42501876Eating an animal of and from the earth, painlessly and without suffering, again, does not karmically ruin you. They eat of the earth and from it, living more naturally than you, or I, or factory farmed animals. But you must respect life on earth and treat it with dignity. Modern farming does not do this. It shovels onions into the mouths of cows while raping them and separating their children, throwing the male chickens into meat grinders while the sisters are bred for egg production, becoming monstrous genetic abominations.We are demons on this planet constructing hell btw. The struggle for life is which direction we will choose to take the earth.Agriculture sustains 100 billion land animals for slaughter *annually*. Do you think we have enough plant protein to sustain the planet? Do you think it might help our planet to switch? I sure do.Or we can up those numbers and grow grow grow and eventually torture 500 billion souls and clear-cut *every* forest to grow onions, all to support your greasy KFC shit that gives you cancer and by the time its reached your stomach, has had its proteins stripped and decayed and degraded.Pre-agriculture humans had to gather 4 hours a day, and occasionally hunt an animal maybe once a month if starving. You work 8 hours and die of cancer at 60.
>>42501876>>42501895OK so with my schizo vegan nonsense and opinion piece journal article proving how agriculture and farming malnourished our bodies and made everything objectively worse, i would like to propose something insane.Pre-agricultural humans were not immortal. They made mistakes, sustained damage and also killed each other. But, as my article shows, they were healthier than you, and literally ate like gigachads with more protein than the average American.Imagine: pre-clearcut earth, before agriculture cucks ruined the planet; a vast, overgrown paradise of vegetation. You can eat vegetation.Early humans roamed the land of milk and honey freely, picking food literally off the ground, designed through constant evolutionary pressures to maintain perfect balance, and experiencing a biblical garden of eden paradise on earth. Unnaturally long lives, healthier living, half our time working; happy.But then some shmuck notices seeds grow from the ground into trees and that animals are born and die, and goes "i can do this better" and begins the first attempt at a farm.As my article shows, knuckle dragging work. Ruins your body. Tortuous. What if early humans remembered this struggle, and in half attempted oral memory passed on tales of a better way of living, which eventually got distorted into nonsense?The problem with agriculture is once you start it, you cant go back. Your population balloons, because you have surplus calories, but of low nutritional value. All those mouths will literally strip the earth (as we humans have done through spreading agriculture globally), so you must continue it forever, or have your tribe go extinct. Because you win in a sheer numbers game against hunter gatherers, you also have a faustian bargain advantage of worse health and backbreaking labor, but yhe ability to win every dispute.Of course with agriculture comes negotiating water rights, paying daily, and before you know it, our society nonsense paved over eden.
>>42501931To conclude my schizopost,I would like to finish that I believe immortality is possible through healthy living, but that the world itself makes the odds of this theoretical perfect lifestyle impossible, even in a pre-history garden eden earth. Most people die. But immortal people walk among us, free of cosmic debt because they know suffering leads to karmic action, and thus walk enlightened on earth. Very, very rare. Few people in all of "history." And pre-history.If you want to know how this is possible,watch this movie, which explains it better than I can.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT2VIIuLOqcBut yeah, basically the forbidden fruit is "wheat," humans took up agriculture and ruined the perfect paradise god made, quickly realized their mistake and tried to warn their children and peers, but pre-writing earth distorted the message into something religious.
>>42501882It is but our crude reflection of the exponentially more and worse torture of the hell realms. You can do more than not financing it; by strengthening your mind ,through instructions in picrel, into a solid rock mountain that cannot be moved by the winds of knowledge or ignorance, you become a stable point of existence and present moment awareness which love flows easily and a beacon for those to flock to for positivity
Pictured; the many genetic varieties of tomatoes found in "heritage" seeds which your dumb ass was propagandized to find gross and offputting to the point of avoiding "ugly" vegetables in supermarkets.Some modern vegetables can give sheep diabetes. Thats how much humans have fucked with life through breeding.
>>42501963All suffering is temporary. The planet is growing and its not too late to course correct.
>>42501974Its never too late to be happy. That being said, best to start soon as possible anyway
>>42501882>>42501963See op post>Pleasure and pain are synonymous, and both not real. They are just the evolved selected for responses of "avoid this" and "seek out this." But because everything is designed to end, seeking out desire inherently leads to pain, while pain, on the inverse, is also finite. Pleasure inevitably leads to pain and suffering, but suffering also ends, as a balance. They are both temporary states of being, leading to the inevitability of eventual complete stillness.
>>42501813>plants are literally evolved and selected for biocompatibility with youPlants are toxic, poisonous and bitter as hell. Some plants can be eaten in season. But only the ones that grow natively where you live. We selectively bred some for quantity and harmlessness. As a result, their nutritional value dropped MASSIVELY. We also import various toxic or cultivated plants all over the world. If they were nutritional and harmless, they would just go bad immediately. But since they can barely even be called food anymore, a lot of them dont even spoil. Even disgusting fungi, which basically eat anything, think to themselves "this shit isnt even food". If it was food, it would spoil before it lands on your supermarket shelf.>>42501834>You have to kill it stress freeThe best way to eat meat while it is still warm and flesh while the animal is still alive. The problem arises when you eat a sick animal as a result of a stressful life in the factory. Then i agree the meat is no longer food and has no nutritional value. If you eat that shit raw, you will die. Thats why you have to cook it to make it tenable. But that also makes it lose all of its nutritional value. >>42501782 is very good>What an absolutely nightmarish imageThere are farse worse things in the factory farms>>42501876Very correct>>42501896I think the solution is to completely reject the societal norms of eating man-made garbage and only eat from real farms as a practical solution. Long term, get rid of the farms and cultivated crops entirely and just let the forests naturally sustain life.>>42501955Not immortality, but you might be able to consistently live past 120 or so years. Even so, accidents happen and your body is not designed to last forever.I broadly agree with most of what has been said.
>>42501986Yea
>>42501986Not immortal - my mistake let me clarify -, just really old humans. If they fell apart and their insides came out they weren't impervious, right? They just had better healing and were really old.>>42501955See the movie linked here for more info. Will post again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT2VIIuLOqc
>>42501967I forgot to mention factory farms are loosh farms, btw.>>42501967Tomatoes are part of the solaneaceae family (along with eggplant and potato) which are notoriously poisonous. However there is something to be said about selecting the wrong plants. I saw a documentary once where the third world slaves who grow and select the plants say that thwy throw out those with the best nutritional value because the first world nations wont buy them because they look uglier. It is also why supermarkets spray them with toxins to make them look shiny. Obviously also why processes foods are stuffed with aspartame (artificial sweeteners)... To trick the senses.
>>42501758Life eats other life (or the remains of it) and it's neither good nor bad - it's the fact of the very existence of all life. Going Vegan is nothing more than a fashion statement. It serves a singular purpose - "look at me, I'm morally superior to you due to my (incomplete) diet and also according to my personal, subjective, value system". It's all about showing off and exclaiming how good, empathetic and "conscious" person you are. You know someone's Vegan by one of two things - in majority of cases, it will be the first thing they're going to tell you. No different from religious zealots going "Have you heard of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ?". Second method is simply by looking - thin, sickly looking, their minds appear to be wandering at all times (concentration issues).Meanwhile, vegan diet is completely inhumane. They require constant, everyday supplementation with vitamins (especially B12 which is NOT present in non-animal products, various lazy papers have come out claiming to have found it in some plant or fungus only to recant their paper due to glaring issues in their methodology, plus mistaking compounds known as "B12-like structurally" for the actual vitamin), macro- and microelements, essential amino acids while having in excess amino acids like methionine, which in constant, high doses increase the risk for heart disease, sclerosis, etc. There's nothing wrong with killing animals to eat their meat, the moment people started to eat meat and hunt, their brain size and development of the neocortex increased nearly exponentially. That's also why predators tend to have higher intelligence than their prey. Makes sense that vegans are either idiots (so, mainly women) or people who suffered some mental disturbance/damage. I can only agree that factory farming practices, which already went a long way in improving the livelihood of the animals, need further adjustments, but let's not kid ourselves - all improvements will lead to higher prices.
>>42502003Im digging what youre putting down.I agree, its too nefarious to not have some conspiratorial intent. Those people running the show are trapped in their own objectively worse hell, though, and entering their world is a free karmic uptick if youre skilled and intelligent.Ethical consumption really is the intelligence test, and the great filter of life expanding into the stars. Theres an inverse future of evil where farming is maximized as opposed to all life living in hierarchy.Its the difference between looking at the world and thinking "i am god" vs "I am a part of God". They get the power they want in creating these horrible systems, but at a cost they maybe don't necessarily realize.Regardless, not really worth thinking about who runs the show. Chop wood and carry water after enlightenment, etc.Zoom out enough, its just the planet experimenting with itself. This too will pass, and it's just life eating life. Same as always, but magnified on a scale to where we can put ourselves in the context and go "hey wait a mminute, farming beings is wrong when I'm the being being farmed!"Its just most people don't have the clarity to make that connection to life, animals, the earth in general. Self centered, "I" perspective, which creates its own suffering since we are all one and the same. You are just punching yourself.
>>42501758Fuck you vegan fags and the stupid fuckin animals, you retarded whore. You know what you did.
>>42502028Hey retard nutritional yeast *and* oat milk have b12.
>>42502028>I NEED B12 SO IM GONNA DRINK COW PISS CUM PUSS EXCRETIONSThere is a world of difference between healthy meat eating and whatever brainwashing they use to convince supermarket shoppers that their processed garbage is healthy, lol.you could've just like, eaten a salmon once in awhile or learned to hunt instead of creating a literal torture nexus for being and existing.Its okay though, the elites are preparing our turn for a torture nexus through ai. You'll know what its like to be farmed eventually.I don't think its healthy to eat animals that never got to experience love. Farm animals don't even get to experience parenthood, childhood, or familial bonds.
>>42501758yes
>>42501767you have to be 18 to post here, if your over 18 and havent noticed taste varies as a function of the bodies needs you must go back. your taste means your cells are falling apart rampantly fast and you require more inputs to maintain them.
>>42501994>14k years oldits probably hard capped around 150-200 or so max. but even if it is capped at 1000, aging is still a real phenomenon and modern slaves experience rapid aging. every animal experiences aging with very rare non-human exceptions. however, accidents are the more common way to die.>>42502028mostly based except that>farming practices went a long way in improving the livelihood of the animalsis like saying that loosh farming went a long way in improving the livelihood of the humans. there is no reason why vaccines, computers and vacations would be considered "improvements". the only improvement would be to live naturally where those artificial "improvements" serve no purpose to begin with
>>42502028>I can only agree that factory farming practices, which already went a long way in improving the livelihood of the animals, need further adjustments, but let's not kid ourselves - all improvements will lead to higher pricesMask came off right at the end there
>>42501758Imagine the absolute knowledge of ancient hunter gatherers that has been lost to time. Those fucking gigachads knew the environment so well that they grazed for 4 hours a day to eat, if even that. If they were lucky, they found an animal. If not? Oh well, they'd graze and fast and burn their waste cancer accumulation for protein. Thats all they did. Hunt and gather nomadically, partying and fucking and sleeping the other 18-22 hours if you made it past the early stage of high risk infant mortality. Literal heaven on earth. Then some dumbfuck said "hey go break your knuckles monofarming grain, and give me 10% to distribute around and keep some for doing the work; and because I came up with the idea, I'm king."What would happen if you dropped a modern human into a bountiful environment? They would starve to death. But early humans? They were literally nomadic and followed where the food went.
>>42502080Do you think some immortal people lived throughout hhistory? Prophets and legends?
>>42502113no. but what i personally believe is irrelevant
>wheat and specifically gluten gives you more brain growthIts all connected. Literally the forbidden fruit.
>>42501986I'm not going to bother with your, obviously schizo-adjacent, monologue, but you're obviously a very young person, around 18, less or more, if you think living to 120 would be a good thing. Have you ever seen a person who's 90 yo? Or 100? Or those rare cases, mostly in Japan, where a very few people were confirmed to live to 120? Have you seen how they look? It's like their body is falling apart while they're still, sort of, living. 99% of them, increasing with age, cannot walk. Most cannot even eat by themselves, because their muscles undergo atrophy every day, a normal effect of aging. Most of them are also functionally (or completely) blind and deaf. Imagine being basically an old man when you're 70 yo, with many health issues already, regardless of how healthy you lived - aging itself will keep destroying your body. Now, imagine living 50 more years as a person that gets eaten alive by aging like a cancer (not even thinking about all the various diseases which arise due to aging). I remember once, when I was a little kid, I asked my grandma:>"Granny, why do you pray that you get called by God (synonym for death in our language) every day as you go to sleep? I don't wanna lose you!">"My dear child, once you'll be as old as I am (she was 80 at that point), you'll be asking God for a serene death every day as well. Enjoy your youthfulness while it lasts." I understand if you want to live to 120 (or more) as someone eternally young, at their physical and brain capabilities peak. But living naturally to 120, doesn't mean you age slower/less. It means you simply got "lucky" (in a statistics sense). One look at the numbers of known people over 100 yo tells you all what you need to know.
>>42502129Immortal people just got lucky too, eexcept mostly through their diet. They walk among us and keep it hidden
>>42502129yes we have all seen the president of the united states. but presumebly, living naturally will also let you live normally at 120 years old. i agree that there is a certain age where you should just euthanize yourself. living to a very high and old age is the punishment for not having lived furiously enough in your young age and not having gotten yourself killed earlier. so there is nothing inherently wrong with toxin-maxxing
>>42502129As if all that isn't related to diet
Peak thread, holy hell
>>42501986>Plants are toxic, poisonous and bitter as hell. Some plants can be eaten in season. But only the ones that grow natively where you live. We selectively bred some for quantity and harmlessness. As a result, their nutritional value dropped MASSIVELY.Nutritional extraction and also what foods are compatible with you are less a matter of where you are or what youre eating, but instead the variety of food (and particularly vegetation) that you're eating, and the gut flora microbiome tbat forms around this habit. You can literally change a carnivore into a herbivore if they have a long enough intestine and the right gut bacteria. Humans have one of the longest intestines on record. You can fucking ferment anything into nutrients in your gut, if your gut flora isnt selectively bred on fucking mcdonalds and French fries.Modern hymans had no dental issues from eating rough plant roots in pre history. Dental care is a modern issue from eating our softer garden plants, less plants overall, and more meat. Google it.You could literally evolve humans into herbivores too. We are gifted with fucking awareness of evolution, and we choose this????? Do you ssee where mass farming leads evenrually? Eventually, those on top will be farming us.We need to course correct the planet and end animal suffering as number 1 priority.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA5lujNlkn8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMIlw7rCSc&list=PLF974F206DAE2142Bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxkzXDa1Ol8&list=PLg-TXdMfrtMeQZ2geL8XQ1lXI2QS95JtHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHKBfnoJeo
The redpill is realizing youre not even on top of the food chain and the animal farm is a metaphor for the human farm you don't see, lol, you are the sheep
>>42502283we have already been getting farmed by those on top for some 8k years. and we are also farming those beneath us. eating what grows naturally in your environment and in season is simply natural. humans try to subvert the natural order because they think themselves above nature. you dont need a variety of food. you only need all the nutrients. the most nutrient dense foods are organs. you can live off only that. humans don't have the longest intestines. we fall in the omnivore category which is between carnivores and herbivores. i agree the gut microbiome plays the most important role and that you get that by eating the right food. mcdonalds and french fries are not food. dental problems are just a symptom of being sick and stressed, just as all the other problems. we also didn't have diabetes problems in pre-history.>You could literally evolve humans into herbivores toowe should not. even so, i'd like to see an omnivore evolve into a herbivore within my lifetime>end animal sufferingwe are also animals and we karmically deserve our suffering. ending animal suffering would also be effectively accomplished by killing off the apex predators which would lead to overpopulation of the herbivores followed by their mass die-off. so the system is kept in natural balance by the predator-prey relationship. tinkering with it is not needed and only makes things worse.ending animal suffering and turning humans into docile herbivores are high and lofty goals which ultimately only subvert nature. our ambitions to bend reality to our will is what got us into this precarious situation in the first place.
>>42502368Did you know even those beneath you wage world wars? Animals are literally a reflection of us everywhere you look. Never forget we are just an animal that learned to stand up and use hands, and we think that makes us better.Birds pass information intergenerationally. African Greys can ask questions. Our best friends are apex predators that overconsume into extinction if left alone. Insects nurse broken limbs meaning theyre responding to pain. Sentience, intelligence, and even rarely self-awareness, are everywhere in the animalnkingdom if you look. We killed all rhe fun and cool species though, and what's left is degrading into a hell on earth for everyone involved in the samsaric cycle of life and death.Sure, you can alt tab through meditation, but why not make a heaven on earth now and free beings from suffering, and guide them to a better life alongside us too? We are the closest animals to God, after all. We should be more godly, if we think so highly of ourselves.Otherwise, honestly? The planet is gonna cook us off like it's sweating out a fever or infection, and then begin to heal once humans are extinct.
>>42502431i did know that, yes. i also know that some ants farm some little leaf lice for their milk. cows wuz aurochs n pigs wuz boars n shieet. meditation is gay. heaven on earth is culling modern grain-fed humanoid slaves. "god" is a made up concept to self-aggrandize ourselves. you should orient yourself according to nature, not ideas that some dudes came up with. the closest thing to nature are wild animals which were lucky enough to not be affected by humans. maybe some weird subterranean molds or deep-sea creatures in the middle of the ocean somewhere. and i dont want them to "wean life towards something better for everyone". they are already leading by example and that is all i can expect of them.
>>42501799>You carry on her legacy and hopes and dreams now as a burden, so there was a cosmic balance.This applies to meat as well, and all life you eat. Your real karma is if the sacrifice other life made for *you* to live was worth it. If you waste the life you are given doing nonsense or bad stuff, then you disrespected the life that fueled you. You didn't deserve it and weren't better.Smarter cultures honor the animals they eat in elaborate rituals
People don't realize, veganism isn't a lifestyle; it is a protest against industry calling upon the planet to end loosh harvesting, lol
We should all retreat into cities, eat the legumes, and let nature be to nature's kingdom. We are above and beyond it and should know better. Animals ohviously cause their own suffering, but let them rise above it on their own while we experiment further and become like gods.The entire human popularion needs to live in cities, away from nature.
The concept of pronouns and nouns is an artificial linguistic construct humans invented. Language is divine, and the more it too evolves linguistically through the natural selection of language (English is failing harddd), the more humans rise above nature. It is the key to self awareness because language creates self description.The "self" is ideally a construct that will linguistically die off over time, universally.
You should an hero because being a vegan is performative moralfaggotry.I WILL eat the meat.
>>42503349You should offer yourself up to the liggers and diggers without a fight, sure you would put a dent in their cravings.
i am a christian, i cannot be defiled by food for jesus christ has purified it for me. this includes any foods that have been deemed spiritually unclean. i eat whatever i deem to be good for me and thank the lord for it.
I was vegetarian for two months earlier this year.
>>42503545So human flesh is fine? What about crap and pee?>>42503568Not the same as vegan.
>>42503612generally speaking eating things that are not meant to be food is against god's divine order, but even in that case it is the intention that defiles you (the thing that comes out of your heart) not the food itself.
>>42502490>cows wuz aurochs n pigs wuz boars n shieetkek
>>42501813>>42501986Youre both retarded. Plants arent toxic and animals can be eaten by us. There is no "were supposed to eat x because of y" or " x evolved to be eaten or not be eaten". Its just all fucking food. This whole thread is just kids that were never disciplined at the dinner table for playing with their food, and now its culminated into some schizophrenic ideology.
>>42501758That's a lot of words just to say that you value animal life over plant life. Unless you're a fruitarian then you are not surviving without killing and eating other organism. All you're saying here is that you think the lives of a herd of cattle are more valuable than the lives of a field of corn.
>>42504458>i don't like the suggestion that life is complex and i should put more thought into my actions rather than just doing whatever i want>so anyone who tells me to examine my choices is just some schizoking of the normalfags right here
trueconsuming others to sustain yourself is archonichumans are clever enough to figure out a way around this and they should
>>42504458>Plants arent toxicgo chew on some tree bark nigga. graze on some grass. shlob up some poison ivy. eat some potato roots. shove some chamomile flowers down your gullet. hmm yummy yummy vines. onions are so tasty it makes me fucking cry. love me some bitter almonds packed with savory cyanide. gotta love the constipation from eating my chia and flax seeds with some good old broccoli. u know that feel when youre just chilling with your bros and walk past a tree and think to urself damn bro i gotta grab me some of those fucking leaves just as a snack? ye bro me neither. its not food if it tastes like garbage or you have to heavily process it to make it not kill you.
>>42504470People will probably never stop repeating this, but I'm pretty sure it's been established that a vegan diet requires killing at least slightly fewer plants as well because you're consuming the plant nutrients and calories directly rather than filtering them through animals.
>>42504484There's nothing to figure out; people just refuse to take the option in front of them. There are certain foods that are created with the specific intent that they be consumed. These are fruits, milk, and honey. There is no inherent harm involved in the production or consumption of any of these foods.Seed bearing fruits are literally grown by a plant with the intent that animals will eat them as a method of seed dispersal. These are the ultimate karmically neutral foods.Milk is similar, though whether or not it's healthy is debatable (to anyone getting triggered by this, your incel identity politics regarding milk are indescribably cringe) and pretty much all modern dairy farming is grossly unethical and involves extreme and unnecessary cruelty toward dairy cows. But these things are not inherent to milk production and it is theoretically possible to get milk from livestock without harming them even if this is almost never the case in the modern world.Honey is in the same position, where it can theoretically be collected without harming bees even if this is rarely the case in the real world. But even if some bees are killed in the process, consuming honey is probably a net good since it directly supports a vulnerable and vital pollinating insect. In theory nothing needs to be harmed in order to obtain it.Eggs could be added to this tier as well, as an unfertilized egg is not yet a living thing and producing it causes no harm to a bird, though of course we have here again the reality of modern farming and the conditions egg laying birds are subjected to in 99% of cases. But again, in theory, you should be able to gather and eat eggs without harming any living thing.Taken together, especially if you include eggs, these foods are more than sufficient to sustain human life and in fact contain every nutrient you need. If you are eating anything else then you're doing it out of pure selfish desire to enjoy the pleasure of eating.
>>42504522Sure, but then you're trading the biodiversity of pastures for endless acres of monocrop farming. Not only does plowing a field involve the death of countless small animals, reptiles, insects, etc then we also have the ancillary deaths caused by things like poisoning rodents to protect grain stores and the loss of opportunity for all the organisms that could have lived in that pasture had it not been converted into a sterile field of a single plant, soaked daily in pesticides and herbicides.My point is that with the exception of the foods I discuss here >>42504528 then there are no morally pure foods. If you would rather kill a plant than an animal then that's your decision but a plant based diet is not some magical harmless cheat code. You're just killing plants rather than animals.
My orthodox friend told me that lifting is a waste of time and it only serves the body and not the soul and that is meaningless and that you should only go for a roon once in a while and just focus on Christ.he brought me closer to God ngl but his dyel mentality is cancerous sometimes because he is a religious zealot, over the last year tho he became batshit insane. Quit his job, went vegan cause of lent (believes meat is dangerous). He basically turned 100% vegan because he believes dairy products are vaxxed etc. He also told me that if holy fathers didn't lift and didn't eat meat, neither should you.Unironically i'm considering ghosting him
>>42504541Look at the image. The land currently used for pasture straight up wouldn't be used if everyone went vegan. It would return to a natural state or could be used for something else. Meanwhile the cropland (in the worst case scenario your "endless acres of monocrop farming") would also be slightly reduced and could return to a natural state or be repurposed for something else.
>>42502154It's not. Unless your main food source are poisonous plants. Genetics have the absolute most to say in terms how long you will live. Bad, dirty air, shitty diet that is completely unnatural to humans, whatever drugs you use - all of them impact the length of your life. Yet, it doesn't matter. You'll die one day, no matter how many books by grifters you read and how much meat you won't eat. You'll die. It's certain like nothing else in human life. People are usually afraid of painful death, that's why they wish to pass peacefully in their beds. The point of your life, once you reach your last years, is to be able to say - I did everything I could. Whatever mistakes I did, I fixed or apologized for them. I have nothing to feel ashamed about. That's how you go out peacefully and remembered by people.Nobody, except your little Discord group, cares if you eat meat or not. I don't, that's for sure. I've never met someone not obviously disturbed who was a vegan (that's the first thing they talk about, as they believe this gives them moral superiority - and also they deserve some kind of a reward). Masses of people around you suffer, both physically and mentally - for many years. Much longer than any of those dumb cows do (if they suffer at all, because you cannot use our concept of suffering on such simple animals). You care more about animals you'll never see than fellow men that tread among you every day. For me, that's an ultimate sign of you being a stuck-up, evil person who only cares about clout, how others see her/him and use skin-deep "spirituality" as a cover for your true desires.
>>42504541>>42504560Sorry but since there are no morally pure foods i will keep doing the worse and more harmful option than the still harmful but orders of magnitude less so version because for reasons. sorry
>>42504664What's interesting to me is how you mix in truths such as many vegans using it as a clout chasing, dishonest mask for status, and that genetics have precedence over environment, and that most people haven't come to grips with the reality of their inevitable death, with the most callous, psychopathic, glowing nonsense like questioning the suffering potential of cows because they are le simple and le dumb, or that someone choosing not to eat animals somehow means they care more about animals than humans. I've heard it said that mixing in lies with truths is actually more dangerous and effective in spreading lies than pure lies. I believe this is your intention
>>42504680(I'm the 2nd anon replied to) My dilemma around the topic of veganism is that it seems hard to sell the idea of just being closer to vegan as both healthier and significantly virtuous in itself. A thousand people being almost vegan could easily be better for animal welfare than a hundred people being vegan. And in that case there's much less risk of someone trying full veganism, fucking it up, and becoming a permanent witness to the horrors of veganism (in fact the horrors of eating nothing but orange juice and whole wheat pasta for three months). But "everyone should be closer to being vegan" just isn't as impressive of a battlecry as "everyone should be vegan," and without the hard line it seems unlikely to have much effect.
>>42504778Indeed. the truth of the matter is that "no morally pure foods" retard is completely retarded but right that there aren't any morally pure foods. its easy to lose the plot in such an archonic nightmarish situation. but as soon as you ground yourself and remember the whole point is to reduce the suffering of the animals, then you remember anything that you do that isn't with the intention of reducing suffering and inspiring peace and happiness is useless and the answers and path forward immediately becomes clear because it was always right there and it was you who was blind to it with the blinders of anger
>>42501758>all biomass on earth is in this struggle together>It's intelligent down to the grass blades>so eat vegan instead of meat even though the end result is the samethis is why you amount to nothing and forever will be just a mindless cattle
>>42504557lifting is indeed a waste of time. it causes hypertrophy (tumor-like growth, rapid aging) and is exceedingly stressful and unpleasant. it does more harm than good. prior to ~1960 it was well known that going to the gym is unhealthy. running as a short and quick spurt if you feel like it every now and then is ok but prolonged jogging is hellish and will give u some kinda heart attack. yeshua is gay needless to say. he is not wrong that dairy products are vaxxed and dangerous. however the same applies to literally every food, including his vegan food. expect him to starve to death in the next 2 years.
>>42501758I am already ending the cycle by not reproducing. I didn't consent to this current arrangement, and I have not affirmed the world by creating more people, so my hands are clean. I am not going to go out of my way to make myself unhealthy because some new age faggot told me that I'm accumulating "bad karma". Again, if it was REALLY up to me and I truly had free will, I wouldn't create the need for me to eat other living things. But I am a victim of forces that are beyond my comprehension, so I am blameless.
>>42504560>The land currently used for pasture straight up wouldn't be used if everyone went veganlol @this. it would probably be used for even worse horrors beyond my comprehension. Foolish
>>42504879>If I didn't kill that guy, someone else probably would've slowly tortured him to death, so really his family should be thanking me for saving him from such a horrible hypothetical fate.
>>42504885lool. but its not hypothetical tho. humans are already loosh maxxing every square inch of the planet they can find. its just that the pasteurs are one piece of that puzzle being held in balance. when you remove that brick, the void gets filled with some other random horror
>>42501758Matter emits a wavelength of life energy, the body though its consumption of this matter acts as a conduit for this energy which relays to the psyche.This is then projected outwardly into experience defining the experience we live in.You are what you eat could not be further from the truth.Awareness of this wisdom though knowing and assimilation, opens new doors of perception to what was an otherwise unknown invisible blind spot.Once you awaken the coiled serpent, you become psychically aware and sensitive to the karmic weight of what you are consuming.As a life long grill meister, booze enjoyer, and gluttonous sweet tooth.Never in a million years would I have thought of the day id give it all up, and join the ranks of the cult of teetotaler salad munchers.But here I am unable to reconcile the psychic torment, images of suffering, animals crying out, and weight of what I have experienced though awareness.It may just be me ringing Pavlovs bell on myself, in order to bring about a healthy lifestyle change I have been crying out for decades and the unconcious riding with it.But there's no denying the energy felt when in higher states of consciousness. The satvic vegan diet whilst throwing the baby out with bathwater in its absolutism, is not what I want but what I need to keep the energy in check.
>>42501758>000)>640 KB>You Should Be a Vegan Because Suffering is CyclicalThe Vega system is like, what, 20 light years away? Or more? Travel there during my lifetime is beyond out current & expected tech level, so I can't move there and become a Vegan.Odd, though: I re-read the body of your post and it seems more of a discussion about being a vegetarian rather than of space travel.
>>42504908I have new age fatigue
>>42504897A humanity where most everyone became vegan or nearly vegan out of moral concern would no longer be the same humanity imo, so you shouldn't expect them to act the same.
>>42504868>I am a victimyou are a nigger
>>42504560>The land currently used for pasture straight up wouldn't be used if everyone went vegan. It would return to a natural state or could be used for something else.Yeah, it would be converted in a parking lot or apartment complex. You can fuck right off with that; there's literally nothing laudable about making food production more efficient. All you're doing is paving the way for the human population to continue to increase which means that what small bit of nature still exist will be encroached on even more.Grazing livestock provides an economic incentive for undeveloped grassland to exist, without which it absolutely would not.>>42504680>since there are no morally pure foodssee>>42504528
>>42505106>All you're doing is paving the way for the human population to continue to increaseRumor had it not long ago that we were approaching a birthrate crisis
I suspect that once humans acquired control over their reproductive capacity, the ever-increasing population trend was "doomed" to fall on its own without needing catastrophic destruction as a prerequisite. Maybe we could still be set back on course if the people worried about a lowering birth rate for fear of its effect on the precious economy have their way though.
>>42505166I fucking wish but no, even if it were true then best case scenario for such a "crisis" is a slightly temporary dip in population growth rather than the endless exponential explosion of the post-Industrial Revolution age. That's the sort of hyperbole when even birthrates are subject to being filtered through capitalism: anything less than infinite growth is a world ending crisis, like the world's going to collapse if the global yearly birthrate dropped from it's current ~130 million to "only" 100 million. Oh no, only 100,000,000 new people being added to the world every year? It's all over!Birthrates may be experiencing a slight decline in some first world nations but population growth in the rest of the world is more than compensating. Immigration from third world nations with huge birthrates means that the literal only nation on the planet to have experienced an overall population decline in the past quarter century is Japan, and even then the decline has been very slight.
>>42503525Imagine being a namefag. lmao
>>42505414why would he need to imagine it when he's literally doing itfucking retard
>>42505106>>>42504680(You)>>since there are no morally pure foods>see>>>42504528except uh oh retard, 99% actually means 99% and unless you live in amish country, completely reroute your entire life to raise your own cows, beehives, and fruit trees, or pay 1000X the price for nontorture versions, then 99% of the "morally neutral in theory" foods youll get at the goycery store is made by raping cows, torturing bees, and paying nicaraguans 10 cents a day to pick GMO strawberries. and, in such a case, veganism has a good arguament to be the least immoral/karmically heavy action. though i will say i agree that fruit,honey,milk in that order is the least kammic weight, and that this debate is neceassry and vegan evangelism can get extremely retarded and unproductive, and also that at a certain point the karmic laws are far more complex than it may be hoped or assumed. cheers
>>42501758no
>>42501758No, fuck off faggot.
>>42501758So, what you are saying is that plants have no no awareness? no conscience? Or is it that the karma cycle does not apply to them?>Don't eat meat.Believe me, I will, right after the elites stop themselves too instead of merely offering their human cattle insects and meat allergies. >>42504522>I'm pretty sure it's been established that Oh, this thread is just wef propaganda bullshit.
>>42506001>I'll stop raping only when someone else stops
>>42505696>>42505968>butthurt hylics/archons in skinsuitsyour world order will crumble and there is nothing you can do about. the age of enlightenment marches on
>>42502028>B12B12 is produced by bacteria and archaea you fucking retard. Humans produce their b12 commercially through bacteria vat farming. Any food with a b12 additive was literally made using bacteria, you lying bumbling retard. Animals do produce their own, yes, but when you eat anything that has b12 on its label? It was probably an additive from bacteria vat farming.
>>42505436Who are you quoting?
>>42507697The anon calling me a namefhag.
>>42507687Actually i have a doctorate in biology and can tell you that b12 is actually produced only in the muscle tissue of mammals and can only be absorbed by humans through eating animals and not through b12-producing bacteria . sorry to tell you
>>42508489>i have a doctorate in BSThere, fixed it :)
>>42508489>b12 is actually produced only in the muscle tissue of mammalsdid you buy your doctorate in kalkutta?
>>42508508You are afraid of the truth that b12 is only able to be sourced by humans through animals that naturally synthesize it in their muscle tissue and is NOT naturally produced by bacteria and archaea that live in soil through a complex series of biochemical reactions that assemble the vitamin’s cobalt-containing structure and are actually passed on to animal products because animals eat directly from the soil and it accumulates in their flesh leading to higher concentrations and the illusion that animal products are the only source of b12. Its NOT the second one and is in fact the first one and you are afraid of this truth because it means you will have to admit something
What if i don't care
>>42508534Based brutal honesty
>>42508532if you're vegan and have been munching on soil as your b12 source, i strongly urge you to eat a steak instead. b12 is critically important for brain function, brother. your deficiency is shining through
>>42508566I agree. soil doesn't have any b12 in it, only animal flesh does. you're absolutely right, brother. its wild to think that the 4 billion humans who don't eat meat are actually deficient in b12 and only the couple hundred million or so people who eat meat daily are normal, healthy, and dare i say morally and ethically correct people. thanks for this post brother. seig heil.
>>42505166 birthrate crisis? maybe for eu whites yes, don't worry tho billions of third worlders with very little to no compassion for animals are compensating for that
>>42501767>>42501782I have stopped eating beef, pork and lamb in any form from supermarkets.I might eat it if I knew that it had a good life and a clean death, but I view that as my responsibility and none of these supermarkets can assure that.Anons, you do not need to go full vegan. You can reduce the overall quantity of suffering.Remember that empathy for the innocent is an Aryan trait.
>>42508921>Remember that empathy for the innocent is an Aryan trait.based and true. buddha was aryan. the highest honor in life is being kind
>>42508880From what I can find, the decline in fertility rate is happening almost everywhere, including in the third-world countries which currently have highest fertility. I imagine the latter places are slowly being hit by the same things that caused decline everywhere else (birth control, lower infant mortality, etc.)https://population.un.org/dataportal/data/indicators/19/locations/4,8,12,16,20,24,660,28,32,51,533,36,40,31,44,48,50,52,112,56,84,204,60,64,68,535,70,72,76,92,96,100,854,108,132,116,120,124,136,140,148,152,156,344,446,158,170,174,178,184,188,384,191,192,531,196,203,408,180,208,262,212,214,218,818,222,226,232,233,748,231,238,234,242,246,250,254,258,266,270,268,276,288,292,300,304,308,312,316,320,831,324,624,328,332,340,348,352,356,360,364,368,372,833,376,380,388,392,832,400,398,404,296,412,414,417,418,428,422,426,430,434,438,440,442,450,454,458,462,466,470,584,474,478,480,175,484,583,492,496,499,500,504,508,104,516,520,524,528,540,554,558,562,566,570,807,580,578,512,586,585,591,598,600,604,608,616,620,630,634,410,498,638,642,643,646,652,654,659,662,663,666,670,882,674,678,682,686,688,690,694,702,534,703,705,90,706,710,728,724,144,275,729,740,752,756,760,762,764,626,768,772,776,780,788,792,795,796,798,800,804,784,826,834,840,850,858,860,548,862,704,876,732,887,894,716/start/2019/end/2026/bar/barvertical?df=ecb874e3-2428-401c-b790-600dce193111It is unfortunate that the way it's playing out means that the people who are furthest behind in various ways are set to take over the world in terms of population, and it's also unfortunate that this is paired with countries wanting to solve the economic difficulties that come with low fertility with immigration. My preference would be to shut the doors, figure out how to deal with low fertility on our side, and leave the still-high fertility groups to figure out how to deal with that on their side.
>>42508617>>42508566>>42508532Show a single paper demonstrating animals produce b12, and i can show you 10 articles on how you're wrong and retarded in response.Vat farming is literally the only economically viable way to create b12. Your own reasons listed are exactly why they use bacteria and archaea vats to make b12 supplements over harvesting animals, you retard, because no animal produces enough as a byproduct for your schizo idea to work.>90% of b12 is bacteria made and artificially produced. You dont even know what you're talking about, lol.
>>42509561You are wrong
Bump
>>42504951There's nothing wrong with hunting animals for food. Its the natural order of things. Without predation, we get overpopulation and death from starvation and sickness. Humans in their hubris already terrorized nature enough. Why do we need to keep pushing our luck? Just let things play out as they are and nature will recover and heal after humanity has wiped itself off the map. Stop coming up with ever more elaborate ways to farm loosh.
