>I'm going to say "magic" but add a "k" at the end of the word so people don't think it's fake
The name "Wicca" is pretty annoying. It's just the Old English word for witch, which could be written with those dots over the C's that tell you it's pronounced "witcha." It's like inventing a new pastry and naming it Croissant, except pronounced differently to obscure that it's merely a word you already know.
>>42509992I think he think he spelled it like the old English "Magick" to distinguish it from the bastardizations of Magic that existed even during his time. But then "Magick" itself was partly used as a part of that bastardization.
>>42510781>bastardizationsHe couldn't even perform magic from grimoires as they were meant to be performed, instead introducing his own lazy innovations. When a half-ass clown gets celebrated as some kind of iconoclast, that's when you know "occulture" is retarded.
>>42509992Mag-ick because ‘ick’ it’s gross
stoic virtue ethics + hellenistic astrology is the real saucefuck this hippy dippy new age shit
>>42511105>hellenistic astrologyWhat about it?
>former intelligence agent comes up with a new way to keep dumdums occupiedseems legit i dunno
>>42510849He actually restructured it as a purely gestalt act.Very few such cases.
>>42510189Quick! How do you say croissant? I’ll be able to diagnose you by your pronunciation.
>>42509992yes that is how mars-ruled mercury operates.
why is he the most famous magician?is because al the gay shit?
>>42511481it's because he is a prolific writer
>>42510189>The name "Wicca" is pretty annoying. It's just the Old English word for witch, which could be written with those dots over the C's that tell you it's pronounced "witcha.">It's like inventing a new pastry and naming it Croissant, except pronounced differently to obscure that it's merely a word you already know.you won't believe how "nigger" came to be
>>42509992I believe he was dysfunctionallay literate like “Jeffery Epstine”
>>42511118traditional methods were grim and brutal, and they didn't psychologize everything. They looked at objective events in your life as the source of everything. The only part of your chart that actually indicates your psychology is your rising sign, that's it. Everything else indicates a person, a place, an event, some kind of thing happening to you at some point. That meant it could be falsified because your prognostications either are or are not correct.Turns out only about a third of the time they were correct. That's not too good. But you have to look at the real purpose of astrology back then. It was basically to help people to accept their "lot" in life (hence the lot of fortune, the lot of spirit, the lot of eros, etc). It was part of the stoic philosophy of fatalism and accepting that everything is predetermined so there's no use stressing out about it.The way they do astrology today, like, treating it as a weather forecast and trying to time things according to transits or whatever the fuck is not how it was done in ye olde days. Back then, first of all, nobody could read or write and most people were slaves, they had no hygeine, no sanitation, no medicine, no science, no refrigeration, etc. Okay? Life was AWFUL. You didn't live long, even if you were lucky you didn't really live that long. Maybe 50 or 60 if you were SUPER LUCKY. More likely you would die in your late 20s or 30s.So the first thing these guys did was look at how long you had to live lol. They examined your "hyleg" and "alcocoden" to determine your length of life (roughly) and then if you had a hyleg and an alcocoden, and the planet ruling your rising sign was "well placed" (has "dignity") then they would actually give enough of a fuck to read your entire chart for you, because it was worth their time.Now it's like, people would rather go to a therapist and take drugs and shit to cope I guess. Whatever works for people I suppose. I fuck with traditional astrology though.
>>42511247>I completed the Abramelin ritual in my mind's eye>Source: trust me bro
>>42509992lol, you're not the first one to mock the 'k' thingI really don't get why you people react to it so hardyou just need to consider the history of itit began as a way of distinguishing real magic from the slight-of-hand kind which was so prevalent at the time, and which in many ways still is to this daywriting about magic with a 'k' is just a way to let everyone know you're talking about the real thing, rather than some chris angel or david copperfield bullshitteryto let them know you're not "larping"
>>42514596Wanting to let everyone know that you're a REAL MUHFUGGIN MAGUS is exactly what's so cringe about it.To know, to will, to dare, and to keep silent.
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>>42514645It's not "cringe." You're just a jaded faggot from the chan-sphere where nothing is real, so you've come to believe that everyone else in the world must be fake and gay, too, or just trying to look "edgy.' That's a "you" problem though.In REALITY it's often necessary to make distinctions, usually painstaking distinctions, so the other adults understand what we mean. Adding 'k' to the the word may look "cringe" but the exigencies of the language make it impossible to avoid any association with fake magic unless we do this. Mocking it just shows what an immature little shit you are.
>>42514882No, in the real world, it's trivial to distinguish stage magic from the science of the Magi using context, as they are fundamentally different. Golden Dawn, Thelema, and Wicca fags do not have a monopoly on magic nor on its terminology. Scholarly articles on the subject do not bother to employ the "k". There is no need for serious practicing magicians to identify themselves to the outside world nor in most cases to one another. But Thelema and Wicca in particular are religions not magical systems, and this connotes a social identity. In any case it is 100% worthy of all the mockery and derision one can muster. That is your just reward for telling the world what you are.
>>42509992>add a K to distinguish it from stage magic>suddenly have to say it out loud>still have to explain itContext clues could have saved us all a lot of trouble.
>>42515139Right? The term "occult magic" is readily available. It distinguishes itself from stage magic whether written or spoken.
what a stupid fucking argument to have in the first placewho fucking cares
>>42515139how about the context of a book cover, you myopic faggot? ain't making any sales in the book store with a book titled "magic" and shelved next to shit about houdini
>>42515278>muh popularizationI don't think there's much danger of confusion regardless.
>>42511346Not him, but curious lolCross-aunt
>>42515297those "cringe" magick with a K people are the only reason you knobs ever got access to the goetia and stuff to beg spirits to get you laidyou have popularization to thank for that
>>42509992He fooled everyone with dramatic wit, a loose sphincter to own the Jesus freaks, and a command of demonic enchantment. Here is your god reddit.
>>42509992Was he a charlatan? Think about it. People say Jin Jones was a charlatan, but those dudes had some kind of power. People may say it is psychology, the understanding of the human mind or nature, but is not that where the magic lies? To know what words to use in order to trigger very specific emotions or even bypass all the logic all together making the parents kill their own children and make them to believe that doing that is a good thing that will get them to be in Heaven when it is all over? Come on. Those guys had power. Understanding how to use language to create very specific outcomes is a magical act. You may say he is not the real deal, but what I'm trying to say is that you have the wrong concept of what magic really is? Magic is subtle.
>>42510849Impractical and retarded. Have you ever been sodomized by a raging bull? If you were being sodomized by a raging bull would you stop to ceremoniously call on evil spirits? Or would you rather use a fast method?
>>42515732https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/642011.htm>Instead of joining his chela in the relative safety of the circle, he entered the Triangle of Art. >"There was an animal in the wilderness," he writes, "but it was not I."I rather think Crowley enjoyed being buggered. Why would he want it to be "fast"?
>>42514429How could that nigger not even spell his name? Its basic memorization. Can reptoids not get their learn on?
>>425159481:51 in he says “it’s bad to teach children how to write” because it “narrows their way of thinking”.https://youtu.be/oIEYmflX090
>>42515732Look at Crowley's whole life from daddy's rich boy to an addict in poverty. Did he seem like he ever stopped being sodomized by a raging bull, whether literally or metaphysically? Instead of it being a fast method, as you put it, it took him a whole lifetime to sodomize himself. Also this >>42515939. It's not like he found better alternatives to grimoire magic. He flirted with the idea of it like a petty dabbler and took obscene liberties with its protocols. And he wasn't above calling on *le evil spirits* either. Stepping into the triangle with the unstated implication being that he was acting as a medium for Choronzon is an example of the liberties he took with magical operations. It wasn't *fast*. It wasn't *better*. It was just stupid.
>>42514555tell me you don't know what gestalt means without..
>>42515638Jonestown was a massacre not a group suicide. British SAS units were nearby, for some reason, and most deaths there were due to gunshot wounds. Anyhow, it's also important to understand the numerology behind Crowley, K=11. >Captcha has me picking circles out of isosceles triangles. I'm onto you, Pythagoreans!
>>42516141Not to nitpick, but I rather think Crowley thought of it in terms of pop psycholog. It was the trendy science of the day after all. Four years prior to that episode in Algeria, he wrote that "the spirits of the Goetia are portions of the human brain." Although he then writes much later in his life that "there are beings of intelligence and power of a far higher quality than anything we can conceive of as human. And that the one and only chance for mankind to advance as a whole is for individuals to make contact with such beings."
>>42516210>Not to nitpick, but I rather think Crowley thought of it in terms of pop psychologyi know this as i have read all of the people involved with the golden dawn and the occult revival of the late 9th - early 20th century; they specifically saw psychology as a mainstream outcropping of occultism. and in fact there were many overlays between the two, not the least of which was Jung arguing with Freud about parts of his psychological outlook being derived from jewish mysticism (kabalah).it wouldn't be hard to make the case the psychology developed out of occult philosophy, and that psychology is actually less comprehensive.
>>42516280I don't mind Freud or Jung, the way I don't mind Crowley. But if I'm working a grimoire, I avoid thinking of the spirits I'm conjuring as "autonomous unconscious complexes" or "psychological manifestations of das unheimliche". On the other hand, if I'm just working on myself and mediating with or subduing my own "demons", then I'm more than happy to think of them as my own mental projections. I just think it's prudent to delineate where my mind begins and where it ends. Otherwise, we'd all have to contend with a universe where all our big heads somehow subsume each other in a choir of solipsists with Lon Milo DuQuette strumming his guitar.https://www.reverbnation.com/lonmiloduquette
>>42509992I love him for that, now i have a tool to identify retards with just one word, when someone uses the K i can accurately sketch their base paradigm and it never fails.
>>42509992That's because, among many other things, Crowley was a troll extraordinaire by the standards of his age.
>>42511346quah-sant
>>42515433And what a sordid mess all that is. Thanks for nothing.
>>42514429>>42515948Obviously writing it out phonetically to differentiate between “stine” and “steen” You seriously can’t be this retarded, right anons? Teachers with odd sounding names often spell their names out phonetically for their students
>>42511346croo ass ant
>>42511346Coru-scant
>>42516978He was also notorious for misspelling his first name as “Jeffery” rather than “Jeffrey”. And his name wasn’t pronounced “stine”. He pronounces it “steen”, in his deposition.https://youtu.be/A4PyspYGQfQ?t=64&siAs I mentioned here >>42516127Epstein nerfed his writing skills to buff his intuition.
>>42509992Crowley was really good with sublimination. He also had a pattern to his thoughts that were uniquely his. The problem with Crowley is not even Crowley. It's the people that read enough of his works to mistake his pattern for some sort of sage esoteric wisdom. I'm not saying he didn't know some things that he knew he couldn't just type out. It's just that his pattern is not necessarily the divine pattern.
>>42515278>how about the context of a book coverMy point is how that's the only valid use. Which means it's fucking pointless.>>42515433>only reason>implying "magick" has anything to do with Goetia or Solomonic magic>implying we also have anything to do with Goetia or Solomonic magic
>>42518126>He also had a pattern to his thoughts that were uniquely hisOf course, his Mercury and Jupiter are under Mars' influence after all.
>>42511346Kwass-on
define magkc
>>42516348>"autonomous unconscious complexes" or "psychological manifestations of das unheimliche"you're cart and horsing. the words don't matter, they're just pointers. no amount of language will convey understanding. understanding is achieved the moment all the pointers "click". that's a gestalt principle believe it or not.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q77hYgk0C8w
>>42509992me and crowley are the only real luciferians as in the real definition of being one he and i are the only ones left
>>42509992it rhymes with dicksex magic nigger
>>42509992kek got him
>>42523418I don't care about what you think you're arguing. I'm describing how I compartmentalize spirits. I'm confident you don't understand me better than I do. Go "correct" someone else.
>Cheth (8, 418), k, being the number of the Great Work, is a formula used by occultists, as well as alchemists, to denote the consummation of the marriage of individual and cosmic consciousness. The key to this magick is to be found in Cheth’s astrological attribution —Cancer, the House of the Moon. In The Book of the Law, the moon is typified anthropomorphically as Babalon, the Scarlet Woman.rookie schizos for shame
>>42523418>everything's just gestalt and egregores, manthis is the crutch of post-modern rationalists who still wanna dabble in spooky woo but don't want to alienate their friends entirelythere's nothing wrong with approaching magic on its own terms without injecting extraneous ideas to "explain why it works". also: theosophical society? fucking gross.
>>42524236the theosophical society produced some of the greatest thinkers of the 19th century and essentially defined the twentieth. annie besant was theorizing quantum physics long before wheeler. your an uneducated clown. now go talk more about lucis trust as if that's not just a big cover.>>42524186i'm not arguing with you. i don't care if you're wrong. it's for the crowd.
>>42524340>i don't care if you're wrongLmao. You care enough to keep "correcting" me. Here's the thing about the "crowd". When they're wrong, it's right to disagree with them. I'm tired of this heavily psychologized view of magic. It's reductive and relegates magic to mind tricks and brain hacks.
>>42524340>muh gestalt>muh quantum psychics>muh [insert desperate attempt for scientific validation]you're not educated. you're miseducated and loudly proud of it.>lucis trust? apparently this is alice bailey related and i had to google it.the fuck do i care about blavatsky, besant or bailey? all three charlatan have you even practiced any magic? you seem more like an opinionated bookworm.
>>42524565how old are you?
>>42521863change in conformity with will
Apparently I own his entire "theology", if you can call it that, what do you do with that? Aside from using it to turn people to Jesus Christ.
