nearly everything in christianity is wildly debated across opposing factions, to the point of getting kinda desperate while trying to study it and figuring out which is the right one.at the moment, I am siding with the guy in pic related, who claims among other things that>we don't have souls, we are souls>heaven is not a destination of the dead in the bible, when we die it's just lights out and you rot until the second coming>trinity is bullshit>focus of the new testament is the coming of the kingdom of God, not Jesus
Sound similar to JW's beliefs.
>>42518524they do get a lot of things right, I was nearly considering joining them a few weeks ago, but then greg stafford lashed out at me in the comment section and I was like fuck this shit, I deserve better than this unhinged cock sucker and found a new guru mister sir anthony
>>42518512Listen, the most convincing information regarding the afterlife, to me has been the Sumerian death tablet.>Why?Much of the information of the Sumerian death tablet, actually lines up with real world data, reported from NDE (Near Death Experiences) reported in modern day, by people who die for stretches of time, and then are brought back by modern medicine or otherwise.Much of what they claim to experience, was directly spoken about in the Sumerian death tablet, from thousands of years ago.How is some shit that ancient Sumerians wrote down in a clay tablet, lining up with what is being independently reported by people who were clinically dead, in the modern era? Hmm?There is one other reported copy of the Sumerian death tablet.Guess where that one is said to be located?Buried underneath Gobekli Tepe.Guess what scientists inexplicably decided to rebury and cover with sand again, recently?Gobekli Tepe.Check into it. New content regarding the information on this tablet is being discussed openly now.https://youtu.be/I5qcCK-Y5MAThe BEN IRC is currently in discussion on the Sumerian death tablet and it's contents.Blue Eisenhower November
>>42518539>Listen, the most convincing information regarding the afterlife, to me has been the Sumerian death tablet.aint nobody reading all the bullshit you typed after this
>>42518512>heaven is not a destination of the dead in the bible, when we die it's just lights out and you rot until the second comingNeither. Planes are like radio waves, they're overlapped onto each other, and once you lose your physical body, your consciousness shifts away your focus from the physical plane, perceiving the others.
>>42518512Well in Catholic theology the saints in heaven aren't in their final destination and they don't have the total fulfillment of desire because they long for their glorious resurrection.
>>42518512HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHALOSER
>>42518512The reason "nearly everything in Christianity is wildly debated across opposing factions" is that Protestantism eliminated the visible authority Christ established, leaving every individual to reconstruct the faith from scratch. That's not Christianity's fault. That's what happens when you remove the Magisterium.The Catholic position on each of your points:>Soul: we don't have souls, we are soulsThis is actually close to the Catholic view. The soul is the form of the body (Aquinas, following Aristotle). You are an ensouled body, not a ghost in a machine. But the soul survives death in an intermediate state awaiting resurrection. This is not "lights out." This is union with God (heaven), purification (purgatory), or self-exclusion (hell) until the general resurrection.>Trinity is bullshitThe Trinity was defined at Nicaea (325) and Constantinople (381) because it's what the Apostles taught. The baptismal formula from Matthew 28:19 is Trinitarian. The Church didn't invent the Trinity. She defined it against those who denied it.>Focus is the coming of the kingdomCorrect. The kingdom is the Church. Christ established a visible, hierarchical community with Peter at its head. The kingdom is not a future event only. It's present in the Eucharist.You're trying to sort through competing claims alone. That's the error. Christ left a Church with teaching authority to resolve these disputes. Find what that Church actually teaches.
The trinity is bullshit but in a subtler wayFather - the transcendental godhead that exists above material reality and creates itSon - The perfect manifestation of divinity on earth up to the limits of particulated existence. IE christ is not just Goodness, Christ is Good.Holy Spirit - The divine connection between then father and the material plane, perfected in the divine love between the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is God on earth, not as a particle but as a wave. It exists in and exudes from all things corresponding to their virtue from the Father and reflectively back from existence towards His divine love.The Son is made, not begotten, and belongs wholly within the father. "I and the Father are One" refers to Jesus's perfect correspondence of the Holy Spirit with the Father, and that connection transcends into the material divinity that we can observe. They cannot exist as the same divinity seperated, because individuation of the True Good only exists through both Christ and the Holy spirit while both are contingent on the Father. Arianism was correct.
>>42519935>The kingdom is the Church.Blasphemy! Outrageous
OP here, had a dream last night>first day of university, I am majoring in evangelical theology (this is not real, crazy dream)>people are speaking Hebrew and Greek fluently>feeling really outgunned here>7/10 (legit)white whore rubbing my cock underneath the table, complimenting me on my watch and how it's the perfect watch (I don't have a watch but I read watch threads a lot on /fa/)>everything is perfect, making plans to leave me wife in split second>then realize that in all probability she is a trinitarian who believes the soul floats off to heaven the moment we die, same goes for everyone else in this classroom including professor>fuck this shit and bolted right out of there
>>42518539Is there any information on this tablet anywhere I can read about that is not this one dude's Youtube channel? Because I'm making some pretty damned sincere efforts toward finding it, and coming up completely short. And the Youtuber is not referencing anything that would permit a viewer to corroborate even the existence of this tablet, let alone look up its alleged 2018 publication or read it themselves.If he actually provides useable information like this at any point in the video, could you just timestamp that shit for me or something so I know I'm not just earning a fell-for-it aware by essentially watching a guy tell a campfire story for half an hour? I don't need to watch this faggot's take on it in the first place if it exists, I'll just go read it myself.
I guess you could just accept the trinity on faith, that it doesn’t make sense just means you are a mortal being unable to understand the divine. Of course, that a loving God would torture his creation for eternity must also be accepted on faith and that’s a much harder challenge for me. I’m happy to be judged in my confused state, I’m just swayed by chemicals after all.
>>42520595legends say OP's subconscious is still looking for a unitarian whore who speaks fluent hebrew to replace his wife
>>42520742How do these people even exsist like wtf causes this kinda brain rot
>>42518549Why?
>>42520758Religion is poison. Simple as.
>>42521284/thread
>>42520742OP here, my wife is catholic, which leaves much to be desired, but I am not pushing the issue since I haven't figured out what is the true denomination yet
>>42518512>we are soulsContradicts >you rot until the second comingWe being our souls leaves the body to rot. The afterlife, to my mind, is realm of electricity, currents of plasma>the coming of the kingdom of God, not JesusThe Christian prefers Christ of course because he solves the problem of evil, sort of. The Gnostics saw what these stories were leading to and wrote it out how they saw it. But I don't buy the Christian myth anymore, though the explanation they have with the Demiurge is better than what the mainstream have going.
>>42522841>the problem of evilThis is something that libtards made up. There is no such thing as "the problem of evil". There is only the problem of human entitlement to the absence of bad things which they deserve coming their way.
>>42522872Not at all. It's an old theological/philosophical question. This is "the best possible world" to you? All the random awful things that happen to the innocent and all the wealth and good health to the evilest people means what about god? Christians say, "wull, it's the devil's playground. God's comin' back later... This is test of faith"That's your answer to the question? Previously, cultures would say their god is a rascally shit, Zeus, Yhwh, the Demiurge, on and on. Now we have Jesus who is a loving sweet guy. But obviously not all powerful or is hiding his power level. On the downlow yo. There is OBVIOUSLY a problem with evil. Your answer is just one of the more stupid. You go gurl.
>>42522872no such thing as "bad things" exists. its made up. problem of evil is a simple logical consequence of the conception of god posited by the mainstream. it is true that going against nature will lead to results which people call "bad", but its really just nature unfolding. "deserve" also implies that a kid who is born with a third chromosome is somehow to blame for that. or that i am to blame for china launching a nuke at my doorstep. or for the legal system being corrupt. or that my food spoils after a few days. or that a tech company stopped support for my device. there is no such thing as "deserving" something. we just live according to nature and thats it. its religion which introduces the concepts of good/evil/bad/deserving/punishment to begin with. and religion has to answer for the logical inconsistencies with whatever mental gymnastics it can come up with in 2000 years. of course a religion which does not call things "evil" and "good" has no such problem. humans naturally do not feel entitled to the absence of bad things.
>>42522935Post Modernist drivel
>>42518512Excerpt from "Le potenza dell'anima" by Elemire Zolla, translated with Google:The Trinity in ManAnother way to contemplate the interior is to focus on the triplicity (neshamàh, rúach, néfesh): intellect, spirit, soul; or, if you prefer: soul, spirit, sensibility. "Sensitive life, spirit, soul are images of what exists in the higher world, because they are one and a unique connection. Sensual life has no light within itself, and therefore is so closely bound to a body, which it provides pleasure and nourishment in all it needs... It is the spirit that subjugates the sensitive life, governs it, and illuminates it in all it needs, and the sensitive life is the throne of the spirit. The soul governs the spirit and dominates it and causes the light of life to shine upon it. And the spirit depends on the soul and is illuminated by the light that radiates from it" (Zohar II, 142).One can therefore relive, making it true within man, the trinity of God proclaimed, the Zohar informs us (II, 43b), every time one pronounces the famous prayer "Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is One," in which one mentally touches the Father (first mention of the Lord) as intellectual transcendence, the Son or omnipresent immanence (your God), and the Daughter or "Way" or means of grace (the second mention of the Lord). Spirit (ruach) is feminine."How can three be One?" asks the Zohar and responds by inviting us to meditate on the mystery of the voice (or Word) and its unity composed of three elements: fire or heat of the breath, air or breath, water or vapor.
>>42522967show me something "good" without invoking your made up beliefs.
>>42522827have you checked out the christadelphians?
>>42522921>the innocentI have a bridge to sell you
>>42522979Life is growth, growth that evolve. Evil is anything that regresses it. Good is anything that accelerates it. Where is heading? Idk. Using your energy for anything that isn't benefitting you, to help anything else grow and evolve, is good.
>>42525120Where is this growth? You cant even define it. If you meant physical growth like puberty it would at least be something tangible. If i slaughter a CIA agent and eat him, that will help me grow but it wont help him. "Good" as an idea has already fallen apart when you look at predation. What follows is endless mental gymnastics trying to plug the logical holes. Only to justify a made up belief that was planted in everyone's heads via brainwashing. I won't count on you showing me something good.
>>42518512I think that Christianity started going downhill the moment Paul took the PR over around year 55-60.
>>42525719Yeah. Hasnt recovered since
