>>42537267
I tend to agree with you. Christianity is just nihilism with one extra step.

That is only one of many halls for them to reincarnate within

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>>42537267
the idea of this life being an audition to see who deserves to spend the afterlife standing beside the Æsir while they fight all day and feast and fuck valkyries all night makes far more sense than whatever faggy bullshit the christcucks say.
Explains why the world is so awful as well, we're being tested not physically, but mentally as well.
>follow a cuck (abrahamic) religion?
fail
>take the vax willingly or (worse) bowed to pressure?
fail
>wasted your body by letting yourself get fat and weak?
fail
>pursued wealth and status your whole life instead of strength and wisdom?
fail
etc etc.

this is why I call myself a gnostic pagan, the worldviews oddly work.
>pantheon of warrior gods need warriors for their eternal epic war
>create isolated pocket realm and give retard god that no-one likes and his glowie faggot archons dominion over it to make it awful
>he fills it with hylics to obey him and makes everything shit
>Æsir send their new warriors there to let them live a century as a mortal to see how they handle it
>the ones who pass the "test" are retrieved by valkyries on death and join the others in Odin's Hall
>the ones who fail are discarded and sent to other disposal realms like niflheim of helheim, or reincarnated to take the test again
>the men's wives go to Freyja's fields to frollick with rabbits and look at flowers all day so married couples can stay together

>>42537267

>So our lives were a preparation to become the perfect warriors for Odin. Life has a purpose and this makes sense.

99.99% of this userbase, heck most people in general, would not be eligible to enter Valhalla, I mean first of you need to be a warrior, and 2nd off, you need to not just die a warrior, but die in battle.

>>42537549
It is possible that when we die, we awaken in light or in an endless forest and the true God congratulates us for not just latching onto popular religions but thinking our own path. Then he may engage us with philosophical quandaries we'd never even considered, encouraging us but not coddling us. Like a stern but caring father.
Then he ushers us onto the next stage of our development, wishing us well.
Earth was just a tutorial on how to be moral and brave.

>>42537566
This is true.
Two counters:
1. maybe Odin already has more or less his army. All that remains to do is await the Time of Blood and Iron

2. Jews were given the right to take over Western societies because the Gods knew that they'd destroy them with diversity. Diversity breeds conflict, which leads to a breakdown of our degenerate peaceful society into a ceaseless bloodbath of carnage and genocide.
God will draw upon the strongest and bravest of the dead in the coming war.

>>42537267
you know that is harder to go to heaven than go to vallhala the thing humans do most is war stadisticaly vallhala is more multiracial and multicultural and diverse than heaven

>>42537835
>t. nithing

I have pagan fatigue

>>42537549
Yahwe does not exist the demiurge is brahma and oding is abitch

>>42537549
Us wha you say was true the only right choice will be find a way to murder all the nurse gods and nuke ydrassil

>>42537549
In reality, being castrated metaphysically and physically, losing individuality, and going to war forever—that's the reality, and it's worse than your post.

>>42537267
The Norse afterlife was just the Underworld. Valhalla is a Christian reconstruction

>>42537896
There's no evidence that the Norse didn't believe in valhalla.
But even if this was true, that doesn't alter the fact; A Christian reconstruction of a Pagan religion makes more sense than the core doctrine of Christianity as pitched by Christians.
Valhalla actually gives life a purpose.

neither makes the least bit sense and youre supposed to just go along with random fairy tales and pretend theyre true to believe either one

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>>42540262
no, you're supposed to look into every ideology and essentially construct your own.
you need the intuition to know what's been put there to benefit the people pushing it, for example "only those who die with a sword in their hands get to valhalla" is just "die in battle over some bullshit land dispute for me, your king."

I genuinely believe that people like Robert E Howard and Frank Frazetta were modern prophets, receiving imagery from the other side of what a man should look like and be.
a man should serve no other man. you fight WITH your fellow men, never FOR one of them.
Crom, Conan's god, is a mountain god who breathes life into a child and gives him strength to do with what he will. he plays no other part in that man's life other than to observe and judge how he uses or wastes that strength.
I know from my heart that treating your body like a temple, and rejecting all globohomo bullshit is what my gods want. they want me strong of mind and body, and no malevolent god wants that.

>>42540318
idk why i need to look at someone else's ideology or construct my own. Sounds like some syncretism which is new age religion adjacent again. I have everything i should be embedded within me. A cow doesnt need to read a book to know what a cow is meant to be. Only humans are too dumb and brainwashed to just live as they should, so they engross themselves in books and ideologies of kings exploiting them. The conan life is mostly normal, yes. Either way no one is following that. "I slay" no one nowadays is even exposed to death for the most part. Even if they are, its in a heavily regulated situation. So whats the point of reading about his perfect life in a book if youre not living it anyway. The problem is not that i dont know what would be good...

!!! REMINDER !!!

99% OF ALL ONLINE PAGANS AND NORSE SIMPS ARE FAT AMERICANS WITH BASTARD BLOOD WHO HAVE NO ANCESTRAL CLAIM TO VIKINGS AT ALL.

>>42540638
The solution to your weak religion is to fix it, not to lie, cry, and throw a tantrum.
Christians have wholly given up trying to philosophically defend their religion because they recognize that they get absolutely destroyed each time they do.
This proves that Christians are actually atheists. Genuine believers would actually think that Christianity had greater philosophical coherence than anything else.

>>42540725
iam atheist an i hate christcuck and paganoids equality,

>>42540848
Very well. Yet the comparison remains.
Norse religion has the more coherent afterlife in comparison to Christianity.

>>42537267
You're actually both right and retarded (common). Traditional European religions were additive. Christianity is reductive, as in the purpose of life on Earth is to be pounded between the hammer and anvil until all the impurities are removed. Then your information returns to be a part of a greater perfect body. Circumcision instills the fixation on returning a body to perfection.

>>42537267
>to fight in an epic war for the universe
But there is no end so no outcome so no purpose. It's just as meaningless as the christcuck heaven.
>>42537549
>an audition to see who deserves
This still doesnt give life a purpose because where you stand ultimately serves no purpose.
The only reason to "deserve" to fight for eternity is if you already WANT to fight for eternity.
>>42537669
>a tutorial on how to be moral and brave
Okay but here the purpose of being moral and brave is to get to heaven.
So what is the purpose of being moral and brave in heaven?
Is there another heaven you are trying to get into?
>>42540318
>what my gods want
Who cares what they want other than those who serve them?
And you still present no purpose. What is the point of doing what they want?
>content
Irrelevant. One can be content with no purpose, and one can be content with failing a purpose.
Contentment has no influence or importance on whether there is any purpose.
>>42540895
>Norse religion has the more coherent afterlife
It still is destroyed by the OP complaint of lack of purpose.
Fighting for eternity is as useless as praying to someone for eternity. You just prefer that color of wrapping paper.

>>42540924
>genital mutilation returns the body to perfection
Doubt it.
Genital mutilation is barbaric. If the body was perfect in a mutilated state, we'd be born mutilated. Circumcision is stage 1 transgenderism. Mutilation without castration.

>>42540945
>Fighting for eternity is as useless as praying to someone for eternity.
Maybe in a cosmic sense. However, life can prepare you for fighting. Christians believe that you get mind wiped in heaven and lose your free will. So life is inherently pointless in the Christian world view.

>>42540945
>the purpose of being moral and brave is to get to heaven.
>what is the purpose of being moral and brave in heaven?
Nothing, therefore life is meaningless in the Christian world view.

>>42540949
>Maybe in a cosmic sense.
In the sense that matters for this topic, yes. they are both completely pointless.
> life can prepare you for fighting
Life can prepare you for loving others as well.
>Christians believe that you get mind wiped in heaven
None I have seen. Quite the opposite they say you gain all the knowledge and wisdom that makes the pain of life be washed away.
>So life is inherently pointless in the Christian world view.
As it is in the Norse view. MOST people just die and thats it. No point. Nothing lasting. VERY FEW people die in a way that they do a neverending event that never ever resolves. And an event that never resolves has no point.
>>42540952
Just as there is no point in fighting in valhalla.
Therefore life is meaningless in both.

>>42540946
I'm not sure why you're responding to something I didn't say. This kind of thing actually really pisses me off, I'm the person where playing telephone the message is always stored and transferred verbatim. I don't read shit and then paraphrase or say something that isn't there. So don't do that again, would you kindly.

Otherwise it's quite obvious. You tell someone the world is broken and in a fallen state, and it must be repaired, while instilling doublethink over their own body being made incomplete. "Cutting off what is below to focus on refinining what is above". I never said that they were actually refining or perfecting their lower mind, or even that this was the purpose. Are you a bot? Fuck it, I don't care.

>>42540956
>Life can prepare you for loving others as well
True and loving is irrelevant in the Christian worldview since all your relationships get erased in the afterlife to make room for Jesus worship. So it was all pointless.

Ask a Christian if it's possible to sin in heaven. He will say no. Lack of choice nullifies frere will.
Ask him if you have the ability to feel bad for your innocent son burning in agony for eternity in yahweh's Hell. They say no. Thus, you lack even emotional free will.

>there is no point in fighting in valhalla.
According to their religion, you fight to defeat a world ending apocalypse and restore life to the universe. That is more important than kissing Jesus' feet all day.

>>42540968
>loving is irrelevant in the Christian worldview since all your relationships get erased in the afterlife
Except the main vital one - with God, through which all other relations are perfected.
>Ask a Christian if it's possible to sin in heaven. He will say no. Lack of choice nullifies frere will.
Can you make peace in Valhalla? Or are you forced to fight?
> you fight to defeat a world ending apocalypse and restore life to the universe
And if you fail you just start again.
Win or lose, the battle repeats and has no point.
Really, the Christian idea has more merit. because the point of love is love, and you get love in their Heaven.
The point of a battle is to achieve something, and there is no thing to achieve in Valhalla.

This argument is leaning more toward the zombie worshipers. sorry.

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>>42537549
the issue was zealots tried to game the system, and fight each others just to get to Valhalla through the die in fight loophole, meaning life turned into constant warring clans, tribes, yarls, kings, high kings.. Great for genetic experiment of survival of the fittest, but flawed. Constant quarrel without brains applied tends to fuck with development and it turns hell to the common folk, innovators while society constantly fractured into smaller pieces. Also best innovators, trainers, smiths, traders, weapon experts, logisticans, tacticians want to get to Valhalla in top shape, so they die early, and communities lose their pillars, guides doing so.. hindering progress

All in the end making it easier to conquer, subjugate by a more unifying religion, that organize society into more prosperous form, that creates higher population density, higher interactions, higher innovation.
(it turned into a battle of a few elite soldiers remaining vs mass produced armored up, well enough equipped masses feudally aligned with a feudally tailored organized abrahamic religion)

christianity also had a loophole issue, that's closed by the suicide is a sin, so no rigged heaven route (you had to face failure, hence why many rebellions, quarrels where participants uphold the laws of God - or were conducted in that spirit not breaking it and their cause just -, ended with mostly the culptrits losing their heads and/or the winner pardoning the talents, cherry picking in doing so in the name of consciousness/intelligence - in a way to the victor the spoils, genes prepping for the next war)

>>42537267
Right. You want purpose. And that purpose needs to 'make sense'.
You need to rationalize your existence because that's the way you are constructed.
You act on an impulse and then rationalize afterwards why you acted that way. Because if you can rationalize your actions then you're totally in control and doing things YOU want to do, and are totally not a meatsack subject to the whims of the external/internal callings of existence.
I hope you're picking up what I'm putting down.
The good news is, while we're subject to the moment, we are allowed to tune ourselves inbetween those moments.
So while we may not be able to choose when certain mechanisms fire, we can alter how often they happen and what kind of impact they have when they do.
You're searching for a purpose because you're not a conscious actor, but rather a reactor to stimuli.
You're trying to square the circle with tales of triangles.

>>42537566
Yeah nobody in this thread is going to Valhalla.

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>>42541290
BOUND FOR VALHǪLLIR

>>42541281
searching for belief is the manifestation of intelligent life structuring the world all above and so below

countless times you can twist it, reorganize it, corrupt it, reinvent it, retrace it, but can't abandon the guiding principle. Rip it off and what's there left to live for other than falling into another pit of hubris.

Íviking times (less the blood feuds, constant raidings, intrigues, transversing the lands between warring clans being suicide due to the danger of being false flagged as an enemy spy/scout or a slave) stille hædte it's ups and downs

>>42541358
What a nice doe-eyed man.

>>42537267
Valhalla sucks. Folksvangr a best.

>>42540318
Based Cromposter

>>42537267
UFO’s are time machines and multiverse the Rory is real, u get in one, go back to the start, roll a dice, and u’ve got ur own dimension. Consciousness, looping back, unlimited eternal eternities, something like that.

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>>42537267
christcucks BTFO

>>42540983
>Except the main vital one - with God
You're not talking about Christianity.
According to Christians, you get mind wiped in heaven. Forced love from lobotomized zombies isn't love.
There is no point to life in the Christian world view.

>Can you make peace in Valhalla? Or are you forced to fight?
I don't know. My theory is that Odin is a more reasonable and respectful god than yahweh. He may personally speak to anyone having doubts and impart the seriousness of the apocalyptic situation. But this is merely conjecture.

>the point of love is love
If Yahweh cared about love, he wouldn't lobotomize his victims.
>there is no thing to achieve in Valhalla
There's defeating the forces of chaos.

>>42545809
Only hinduist cosmology is true your débats is bullshit and meaningless nordcuck and christcuck should be bann from thi site

>>42537566
Including you migga, even if you was some sort of warrior and died in battle, you still wont go because you are black and probably somewhat overwight

>>42545809
No one here has free will, and by definition, you are a slave to the laws of nature. If freedom existed, there would be no death or limitations, and no one would be subject to any laws. This world and reality only has NPCs, and NPCs who believe they are free because they know more than the average NPC. The future of humanity is to be genderless beings with a grey and reptilian appearance, physically dwarfish and purely collective like ants. We will be a hive mind. The Jews know this and are acceleratorists in this regard.

>>42545809
>According to Christians, you get mind wiped in heaven.
Never heard a Christian say this. They say the relatively shops are perfected.
If this is your whole critique, them you basing everything on a strawman.
>There is no point to life in the Christian world view.
Same as the norse, it's a proving ground.
And what it qualifies you for is completely pointless.
>I don't know
The answer is no. It is an eternal fight. Thus it is pointless.
>There's defeating the forces of chaos.
No.
There isn't.
There is no end. There is no defeating chaos.
And order arose from chaos, and will do so.again even if chaos consumes it.
So there is no point to the fight.
And thus no point to life.
Neither norse nor christian can give meaning to life because their afterlife has no point.
Because ALL notions will ultimately run against needing something greater to provide purpose.
So at the highest level there can be no purpose.

And I have no not found one cosmological model that understands and explicitly says all of existence and everything is eternally pointless.

>>42547128
What is the point of being reborn if you don't remember any lessons from your previous lives?

>>42547280
>Never heard a Christian say this.
That is not a strawman. Christians say over and over that there can be no sadness in heaven, that all sad thoughts are wiped out. All sin is wiped out. All desire, hate, lust, and ambition is eliminated. You're not allowed to even think that it's unfair that your beloved children are burning in agony in Hell because of the god you're now forced to grovel to. Christians never think deeply about things. But in the real world, if you saw your beloved children burning in agony, you would hate Jesus for doing that to them.
That is why Christians need to believe that you get mind wiped in heaven. Deep down, they know that they would hate Jesus.

>it's a proving ground.
Bro, I will not engage with you if you display short term memory loss. We went over this already.
Love is meaningless in heaven because Yahweh doesn't allow you to love him. he forces you to love him.
I'll tell you what love actually looks like: Love is hating Jesus for torturing your children. The love of a father for his sons would far outweigh any false love for some god you never met who is torturing them.

Now cut your bullshit, stop lying, and engage with the actual facts.

>>42537267
I dont fully know what it means but
Wolfhead
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>>42547367
>Christians say over and over that there can be no sadness in heaven, that all sad thoughts are wiped out. All sin is wiped out. All desire, hate, lust, and ambition is eliminated. You're not allowed to even think that it's unfair that your beloved children are burning in agony in Hell because of the god you're now forced to grovel to.
Again, CHRISTIAN IANS SAY this could mes from a full and complete wisdom. Christopher Ian's never say your mind is wiped.
That is a lie and a strawman.
>Love is meaningless in heaven because Yahweh doesn't allow you to love him. he forces you to love him.
The choice was made to go to Heaven BECAUSE you love God. That is the proving. Don't be a retard.