>>42540332
What is gotos?

>>42540392
The overall creator of everything. Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. But not all good, since Gotos is the source of good and evil and everything in between.

Yahweh is not omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent, but is all loving, the embodiment of good, and more powerful than Satan.

OP Here. Essentially what will influence you and your life is the Spirit. The vast majority of humans are born without a spirit, think one in millions has a natural born soul since the death of Yaldaboath. There are four paths to gain an afterlife, you can be born with a spirit, borrow the Spirit of Yahweh, or forge your own spirit like Siddhartha Gautama did. The fourth is gain a sort of 'dark spirit' but I won't tell you how to do that on here.

>>42540648
The benefits to forging your own soul is the choice of what you want to do. Having your own spirit allows you to freely choose to reincarnate, spend your time in the Pure Lands to reach Nirvana, or keep your own personal Telestial Kingdom.

Using the Holy Spirit of Yahweh is easier than forging your own and more consistent than being born with a soul. But you are stuck playing by his rules. Purgation is the purification of your soul as you enter the Terrestrial Kingdom, and only the best may glimpse the Celestial Kingdom or become a Saint.

>>42540673
Yahweh cannot properly intercede on Earth since it is originally the realm of Yaldaboath, the one time he did was through Jesus Christ, in which he gave his spirit to humanity to ascend. This is why he must use his Angels, who can act on his behalf and use their power to guide humanity. Saints are originally humans who then gain the power of Angels and can guide humanity after their death. A little different from Catholic Saints since it's not intercession but more like management, they have independent power that is granted from Yahweh.

>>42540690
Now just for the sake of the chart I have used other terms and names to refer to the concepts I believe, my current objective is to continue meditation and learning more. Some things matter very little to humans but are represented on the chart like the difference between Pure Demons and the Fallen Angels cast out of the Celestial Kingdom by Yahweh for their assassination of Yaldaboath and rebellion against the nature of Yahweh. Or how Satan took the Fallen Angels from the Outer Darkness and added the space to his domain.

>>42540648
What exactly is a "spirit" to you?

>>42540795
So the "spirit" is essentially the extension of yourself able to communicate and exist with these higher order beings. I think in Kabbalah this is called neshama. This is why it's important to have a spirit since without one your soul will just be recycled through Samsara or with enough negative karma into Gehenna.

>>42540877
Okay, so what distinguishes the spirit from the soul, then? For the record, neshama seems to basically mean either/both.

>>42540899
Kabbalah has a split between "animal soul" and "human soul" with most humans having only and animal soul while most Jews and some lucky goys gets a human soul. The "human soul" of Jesus Christ is what Christians use to enter into Yahweh's kingdom, and so I have used the term spirit here to distinguish it further from the soul we all have and to relate it closer to the Holy Spirit. Your soul is essentially you, your consciousness, memories, feelings. What makes you an individual is contained within your soul, which must combine with a spirit to escape the rebirth cycle and enter a state of purity in Heaven or achieve Nirvana.

>>42540915
Okay, so they're basically the same thing, but a spirit is something other than one's original soul, like someone else's soul, or something one makes on their own in addition to their soul? But if the soul is your consciousness and memories and general informational self, then either we're literally ALL born without one (not even one in millions exceptions would exist), since all babies are born tabula rasa, or we are literally ALL born with one, because otherwise you would be a literal vegetable that can't remember how to walk, speak, or wipe their own ass.

Further, it sounds like you're putting forth that even if you do have a soul, you have to combine or connect your soul with another one, or again, add things to it to "forge your own soul," in order to escape reincarnation cycling. I'll be very honest with you, and say that sounds extremely demonic.

It's very much worth noting, that Christian doctrine says literally nothing about what you're talking about in regards to how Christ's redemption is used to save humanity. Christians DO NOT use the human soul of Jesus (most would argue that his soul IS the Holy Spirit, and that he never had, and does not have, a human soul) to achieve salvation. Rather, they simply accept his offered payment on their behalf. At that point, God gives them the Holy Spirit, which in this context would be something like a piece of his memory/consciousness, and serves to help further guide them in becoming more Christ-like in thought and action. There's some scriptural backing for this because the Pentacost seems to be God directly uploading language data into human brains (which we also see at the scattering at the Tower of Babel).

>>42540940
That's my current issue with using the terms and having people try and relate it back to bastardized religions used to contain and control. Humans are born with a soul, it facilitates your capacity to grow and learn and remember. It contains who you are and your consciousness. The spirit is secondary, the vast majority are born without it because of the death of Yaldaboath, you must have a spirit to have an afterlife that is not Gehenna. Your baptism and communion through a church is giving your soul the holy spirit, which is how you then go to Heaven. Creating your own spirit like the Buddha is the original path laid out before the death of Yaldaboath and the teaching was mostly lost after the flood. It's much higher risk since you run the chance of you not forming a spirit before death and having to go through Samsara again. The offered payment you talk about is the borrowing of the Holy Spirit to then be able to enter heaven, the Holy Spirit essentially intervenes in Samsara, pulls your soul out, and begins the purification process.

The demonic stuff you are worried about I won't discuss here but it is extremely advanced to even begin and can take decades to master without falling into a trap and being forced into Gehenna.

>>42540963
And that will always be your issue with using these terms, because they have already existing definitions. Like, you're saying Yaldabaoth died, and that's why people are now born without spirits, but how is an entity like Yaldabaoth even able to be killed? Why can't YHWH make spirits, or GOTOS? Why do you distinguish between Yaldabaoth and YHWH when the ancient gnostics (whom writings about Yaldabaoth come from) largely viewed them as the same (they were not big fans of old testament God). Also, your definition of GOTOS is ultimately what Abrahamism (not just Christianity) believe YHWH is, although they also believe that just because the infinite all-knowing must have always known evil, and be the ultimate source of evil, does not mean that they themselves ARE evil, or even neutral. A parent can have a child that does evils they do not do, and yet, they have created evil. That kind of thing.

Based on how you describe the relationship between soul and spirit, is it fair to say the spirit contains the soul like the body does, like a different kind of body that the soul can seat in? An energy body or something like that? Why is this necessary to enter somewhere other than Gehenna? Why can't it just be created on the fly?

Also, the idea that you can achieve Buddhahood to save yourself from Gehenna is another form of salvation through works. Again, Christians DO NOT believe this is a viable path. Only through accepting Christ's sacrifice, resurrection, and payment for your sins are you forgiven and bought out of Gehenna/Hell.

Also:
>The offered payment you talk about is the borrowing of the Holy Spirit to then be able to enter heaven
No. The offered payment I spoke about literally IS NOT borrowing the Holy Spirit like a skeleton key to get in the door. The offered payment is Christ's crucifixion, his death for our sins. ONLY through accepting his sacrificial payment and repenting our sins are we saved.

>>42540963
It's also worth noting you're combining Eastern and Western traditions. Religions that on some levels are diametrically opposed to one another. Abrahamism has no Samsara. There is no Earthly reincarnation, there are no endless cycles of death and rebirth. This life, this Earth, this universe, all of it is a one-shot. After this, never again.

>>42541080
That's where the error is made I believe. Trying to combine three different entities into one. Gotos, Yahweh, and Yaldaboath are all represented by YHWH in classical Christianity. The reason I am using these terms now is so we can have these discussions a littler easier. If I just began making up new terms and words people would not stop and read further. The separation of Gotos from Yahweh is because Yahweh does not have the power to end all evil and suffering on Earth, but can provide an exit from suffering through Christ. Christians do not need to believe in faith through works since their belief and acceptance of the sacraments gives them an exit anyways.

You are looking at this from a Christian lens too much I believe, the first step in knowing is learning what controls you.

Onto your second paragraph, I will have to learn more to properly answer your question here. I do not believe it is as you have described, a sort of container, possibly after death is your soul contained in the spirit to prevent Samsara but I do not know at this time, a question to be answered in another thread.

For the death of Yaldaboath, compared to us we would consider this entity a god, creator of the world and "infinitely" powerful. But some infinities are bigger than others. Gotos, then Yahweh, then Satan, then Yaldaboath. Yaldaboath dies at the hands of Lucifer. Lucifer's rebellion against Yahweh starts with his belief in supplanting Yahweh and taking control as the creator. He tries this by taking 1/3rd of the angels and convincing them to go to war with Yaldaboath, who's own creations, the Nephilim and Humans, were weaker than Angels. The Nephilim side with the Angels and help slay Yaldaboath. The Fallen Angels then turn towards Heaven and try to slay Yahweh, but he is much stronger than Lucifer and banishes them to the Outer Darkness.

>>42541150
Yahweh, in an attempt to stabilize the Earth, decides to cause the flood, killing the Nephilim, and saving the best human (Noah), his family, and the animals. From there on it is either Yahweh trying his best to help people on Earth but being limited in what he can do or a demon pretending to be Yaldaboath and manipulating people.

>>42541092
There is some truth in many religions. But the most truthful are Christians and Buddhists. This is why I borrow their terms and introduce cosmology through their concepts. On your point about not falling into Gehenna, that is a classical Christian Hell. Fire and brimstone, you get the picture, best to avoid. If you have too much negative karma your soul will eventually be too weighted down and will fall into Gehenna. Likewise being very generous and living frugally and being good without forming a spirit will eventually lead you to a Pure Land where you can form a spirit in peace and achieve Nirvana.

How do the Hyperborean Spirits fit into this chart?

>>42541175
>But the most truthful are Christians and Buddhists.
Another stupid fool tries to shove an eternal self into Buddhism and just makes a shitty version of Vedanta.

>>42541150
Sorry, fell asleep.

So, it's impossible not to look at this through a Christian lens, at least in part, when you're using the name of the Christian/Abrahamic God and making direct claims about them.

For or instance, you make some claims about YHWH that run directly counter to Abrahamic teaching, such as:
1. You say YHWH is not all powerful.
2. You say YHWH does not have the power to end all suffering and evil.
3. You say YHWH is not the creator of Earth and humanity.

You're also intentionally taking names from Christianity/Gnosticism/Buddhism that refer to very specific people/entities/concepts and putting them on your own concepts and characters that it seems you're just kind of making up? I'm not trying to be rude, but some of the mythos you're describing I've never heard of anywhere else, and if "it just came to you in a vision" how do you know that's not from a lying spirit or even your personal subconscious repackaging your own suspicions for you?

Like this story about Lucifer/Satan starting a war against Yaldabaoth with the angels and nephilim. In Abrahamic canon, the nephilim didn't even exist until well after Lucifer/Satan/the Devil had already rebelled, been defeated, and banished, because they are the hybrid offspring of fallen angels (the sons of God or watchers) and human women.

You also seem to know that Satan IS Lucifer, but many Christians would say Yaldabaoth, in their description as an ignorant and arrogant false god, is them as well, as the Devil is, while evil, "the god of this world" because of humanity's choices in Eden. The fundamental mistakes the Gnostics make are believing the primordial identity thief when they slanderously claim they are YHWH, or failing to understand why YHWH would use harsh punishments or allows suffering.

>>42542728
Nah Vedanta is some jeet shit.

>>42542964
It’s not rude I just believe most people have been given a watered down version of cosmology to make them controllable and not ask questions. This is why I would say a valid sacrament is still found at the church and their system can be used to get into heaven. But for those looking deeper the option is there.

On your point of the nephilim, I think this is why they were mostly just cut from the bible as we see it today. There would have been too many changes to stop people from looking at it surface level and going forward.

The taking concepts and characters thing isn’t meant to be rude it’s meant to show how Christianity and Buddhism almost got it but messed up the cosmology. Again, I believe these are two paths to attaining salvation and escaping Samsara, both equally valid and attainable.

Satan and Lucifer are separate. Satan is the overall being, with the realm of Gehenna and the third most power, Lucifer is the leader of the Fallen Angels that now side with Satan. This is why True Demons and Fallen Angels are separate.

>>42543265
so is buddhism

>>42543384
Actually the specifics from Buddhism represented in the chart are distinctly Chinese/Japanese/Korean.

>>42543384
>>42543711
If anything Buddhism is Chink shit.

>>42543711
Nagarjuna was from Kerala

>>42545526
While the followers of the teachings are in China, Korea, and Japan, who have taken the original teachings and further expanded on them.

By this logic tea and chess are also jeet shit.

>>42545567
>By this logic tea and chess are also jeet shit.
Well, they are. Do you think tea is British because hollywood said funny tea drinking brits?
All world religions stem from Caucasian races, because Caucasians are the jovial race. This includes buddhism, coming from Northern India, which is predominantely Caucasoid.
Also I must correct myself here: Nagarjuna was not from Kerala but from Maharashtra. Southern India also never created a world religion and is just under the influence of the caucasoid north.

>>42540409
>Yahweh

>>42545646
I think there's a distinction between modern British tea and Indian tea, same with modern western influenced chess & chess theory compared to the original game from India. The stronger influences come from not India, so I wouldn't think of it as jeet shit.

If Buddhism stems from a Caucasoid, is it still jeet shit then?