Humans have been practicing magic, religion, the occult and all sorts of spiritual beliefs/rituals since the dawn of time but most of humanity today believes we are just a bunch of apes floating on space with no aliens around whatsoever. How is this possible?
>>42540435>most of humanity today believes we are just a bunch of apes floating on spaceSource?
>>42540435How is this possible?Predestination. They are reprobate, hated by God, for the purpose of presenting the antithesis for and to the elect.
>>42540461Ask anyone on a normal social media where does humanity come from. You won't see anyone saying "we were created by God" and even less a more fringe belief like the Demiurge and co.
>>42540474>Ask anyone on a normal social mediaMost of humanity is not on social media. The "modern world" is a minority on Earth. Most people have religious beliefs. It could even be that most people don't really believe that Earth is a ball in space, because traditional religion tells a different story.
>>42540489Honestly pretty solid argument, wow
>>42540435The devil
>>42540474>You won't see anyone saying "we were created by God"Except you literally will. A lot of people will say what you're implying, but there are still plenty of believers on social media.
>>42540435>How is this possible?Darwinian evolution and the larger scientific revolution in general. Have you not noticed that the atheists basically worship science? Basically nascent archaeology and science seemed to disprove theological ideas on a superficial level, but that's because our understandings were still new, despite seeming deep to lay-people at the time. But that seeming was enough to make many question and even abandon their faith. They trusted our instruments and our measurements even though we barely understood what they were really trying to tell us. Science has since started to validate a number of theological teachings, but now, the damage is already done.
>>42540787>Basically nascent archaeology and science seemed to disprove theological ideas on a superficial level,The worst part of the whole argument of science vs the inmaterial is that they didn't disprove anything. They just said "our science can't prove there is anything that does x so therefore it is fake". You see this literal argument when searching up astral projection on Wikipedia.
>>42540461You are confirming his point.>uhhhm sweaty do you like have a scientific source for that?It's self-evident, nigger. The majority of people think we're animals who evolved from fish and then monkeys. Even a great deal of "religious" or "spiritual" people will flat out admit to you that they don't believe in whatever they pretend to, and that its like a metaphor or allegory for muh mental life or whatever cringekino they can make up.
>>42540474Christians have such a victim mentality and lack awareness so much that they literally think its hard to find a person who believes in God, even on social media. Everyone and their fucking grandma has a Bible verse in their Instagram or Facebook bio.
>>42540850>>42540489
>>42540850Biblical literalism is pretty recent desu
>>42540861Counterargument, most Christians are just larping. 97% of Christians literally just are in the religion for their family's or traditions sake. Most people don't take it seriously enough to read their bibles. There is a little minority of them who are intelligent enough to actually interpret the texts or to think critically but its rare.
>>42540866Absolutely not.>>42540870It's the foundation of Christianity. The opposite of what you say.
The mistake you're all making is assuming that you "non-materialists" have one unified belief system. You don't. There are million different types of Christians, some of you believe in magick, some of you in astral projection, some of you in psychics, and so on and so on. These are all totally separate claims about reality, and they can't all be true, because some of them directly contradict each other What materialism offers is a way, however limited, to determine which ideas are right and which are not. All you guys have is vibes.
>>42540932I agree with most of the post, specially the contradiction between beliefs and etc. But I also think that the reason the world in general is materialistic is because we live in a scientific absolutism society. There is no job in the market (there actually are but is done differently) where you do anything that is not based on science. Brainwashing plays a role on it. Have you never seen memes about science being the best thing ever with fictional characters that are scientists sprinkled in?
>>42540936>But I also think that the reason the world in general is materialistic is because we live in a scientific absolutism societyRight, because science can be applied to create useful technology that anyone can use, whereas, say, Gnosticism (and there are so many different kinds of Gnostics) might in theory produce some kind of vague benefit for specific people.>There is no job in the market (there actually are but is done differently) where you do anything that is not based on science.One on level, you're kind of right, because all jobs take place in the real world and science is the best description we have of how the real world works. On another level, you're wrong because huge segments of societies, from psychics to priests, make money on the idea that they're doing non-material things.>Have you never seen memes about science being the best thing ever with fictional characters that are scientists sprinkled in?If people being stupid about ideas proved them wrong, /x/ would prove pretty much every paranormal claim wrong by itself. Your problem really isn't about what's real or not, it's about the fact that you feel excluded for your beliefs, and that's a problem as old as humankind.
>>42540950>Right, because science can be applied to create useful technology that anyone can use, whereas, say, Gnosticism (and there are so many different kinds of Gnostics) might in theory produce some kind of vague benefit for specific people.I mean, imagining all the ESP abilities (kinesis, clairvoyance, astral project and more) are real. I do think you could do a lot with it. Someone well-versed in either shamanism or that has control of the Qi could work as a doctor at least on a local level. But to be fair my argument falls short so I give this one to you.
>>42540435BECAUSE WE ARE FUCKING SPIRITUALLY STERILE BY OUR BIOLOGICAL DESIGN. WE ARE BLIND AND DEAF TO THE SPIRITUAL AND ONLY EXIST TO BE FUCKING TORTURED. AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH RELIGION AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.
>>42540435>>42540961AND BECAUSE EVERY RELIGION SAYS MULTIPLE DIRECTLY CONFLICTING THINGS. I HATE RELIGION AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SO MUCH
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>>42540967the does fuck this mean lmao
>>42540435majority of population is not human nor do they have a soul
>>42540959>I mean, imagining all the ESP abilities (kinesis, clairvoyance, astral project and more) are real. I do think you could do a lot with it.Sure, but no one actually does a lot with it. If these abilities exist, they're either extremely rare or something else prevents people who have them from conquering the whole world. By contrast, the computer you're using right now was developed based on a scientific understanding of the world, and computers are literally everywhere and an fundamental part of our lives. The idea that some guy out there might be Goku IRL does me no good, whereas science actively changes the way everyone lives their lives.
>>42540435>>42540961>>42540966also the real answer to OP's question why most of the world's religion is "only believing whatever is able to be scientifically proven" is because of Abrahamic religions. Civilizations where Abrahamic religions were practiced got so tired of being threatened with eternal hell that they snapped and forced the ENTIRE world to only believe SCIENCE. everything and anything else is considered schizophrenia except whatever major religions clinicians are forcibly prevented from outright denying so that they can be "politically correct". now thanks to that we have boards like /x/ where when someone is suffering so much that they are thinking of taking their own life and make a thread about suicide, 90% of the replies are shit like "i heard you get reborn as a disabled person from a tibetan lama who molests children" or "this manic bipolar new age lady in a youtube video with crazy eyes said that SPIRIT GUIDES MADE OF LIGHT came to her when she died and told her she chose to be raped as a kid so if you kill yourself you just get reincarnated to an even harder life". meanwhile in Asian countries they actually understand that shit is real and life is fucking harsh, and a lot of people commit suicide. they know what it's like when things go too far. life isn't a fucking video game challenge, we have no idea why we're actually here. i think it's irritating when people deny any form of spiritual beliefs being possible but when people try to assert and dominate others with their spiritual beliefs like a weapon it's also irritating, if not infuriating.
>>42541001Yeah, I agree. Now talking about that, if the ESP abilities exist, why so few people develop them? But more importantly, what could you theoretically do with them if you maxed one? I would like to pull up a Pride (FMA:B) with Umbrakinesis if that shit is real. What is your favorite kinesis?
>>42540435In the west maybe. Most people on earth still believe in god
parents leave children at daycare those teachers are paid to shill science and punish rebelswhatever they tell your parent gets you in trouble so you learn to behave and at some point the lies they tell you become the only truth you knowsome of us get through it but we all are damaged beyond repaid by the time we finish school and are forced into random work where you sometimes wont get paid because they know your only source of funds is that job xD
>>42541001And then goku's best female friend all the way through his journey is bulma who literally leave yamcha to have some space since she get's the hots for him, mind you why is married with a child to chase him all the way to namek even admits it and has to date vegeta because goku get's sick.If goku never got sick she would of tried to fug trunks or monkey branched to vegeta if he proceeded to kill the androids in pure rage super saiyan advanced(this is why muh arm crunch versus 18 doesn't count he was back training in 2 weeks, a regular human try 4 - 6 months).
>>42540435 Well, the way you frame it you make it seem like it makes sense to be a materialist. And I'm sure to them that's how they think too. Almost like a response and rejection of magic woo-woo nonsense.
>>42540837 Um, yeah. Why would you believe something just because you heard someone talk about it?
>>425410951. Because you can check it up yourself.2. Overall it makes no sense that thousands of people would tell fake experiences, make hundreds of books and videos on something that doesn't happen or is merely hallucinatory, and if it was hallucinatory it has to explain how it keeps consistency.
>>42540967Get this mexican off of my thread
>>42541098>Overall it makes no sense that thousands of people would tell fake experiences, make hundreds of books and videos on something that doesn't happen or is merely hallucinatory, and if it was hallucinatory it has to explain how it keeps consistency.Unless you think every major religion is true at the same time, you have to admit people do in fact make up highly consistent fake shit and agree on it all time.
>>42541113You know,you are right.
>>42541098>Because you can check it up yourself.And find no real evidence for it.
>>42541098>Overall it makes no sense that thousands of people would tell fake experiences, make hundreds of books and videos on something that doesn't happen>It makes no sense that thousands of people will sell hundreds of books and videos.
Because 90% of population isn't intelligent and barely qualifies as sentient. They only care about their next hedonistic hit of pleasure.They're not capable of engaging in any deeper thought about spiritual things and don't care about the subject. They simply masquerade as someone who cares.It's all a bullshit charade to fit in and to climb the social ladder.Humanity has never truly been religious.Even hardcore muzzies martyr themselves only because there's a promise of heavenly pussy on the other side. They promise men virgins for a reason. If the promise was just a calm paradise where you can live with god forever, guys wouldn't really give a shit.This planet runs on drugs, social value, money, power and pussy and always has.
>>42540435people get the anti materialism thing wrong you won’t get far in life without shoes or a cupit’s more about not letting material desire drive you to ruin, obsession, and rule your lifethe health of your material form plays a significant role in your connection to what is beyond
>>42540435It baffles me that people can go their entire life without pondering ANY of these questions. HOW is that possible?
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>>42540917I'm an atheist, but I could probably quote more of the bible than 99% of actual Christians. Decent book, this Jesus character seems cool, some of the prose is a bit dry though (you could probably blame James VI and his shitty translator).
>>42540474>ask anyone on social media.83% of Americans believe in God you idiot.
>>42540489Approximately 70% of the world's total population uses social media. Since most people use some form of technology that can not be produced with their religious beliefs, they must believe in the science that makes the technology possible and therefore believe that we're apes on a floating rock in mostly empty space.Now of course you can make the argument that just because something works doesn't mean it's true or the whole truth, but unfortunately no alternative has demonstrated superior results.Yes I'm acting like a redditor but you're asking for it.
>>42540959Some of those abilities are real, mostly the ones within the realm of information gathering. Its very real. But, the phenomena itself is barely understood. Being able to use an ability doesn't make someone the Einstein or the Newton of esp science. It might make them vaguely better suited to studying the phenomena than someone who doesn't experience it or know how to generate it.I think you also overestimate how great a variation might be between the ability existing, and being powerful or useful for material purposes. I can enter a state of mind that consistently generates extrasensory perception. The contents of that perception are not so consistent that I could easily gain information about any arbitrary thing in reality. Perception is fluid, there is a type of psychic language involved within intending your interaction with the universe. Its thoughts are strange and alien to us. For us to perceive the universe, we have to put aside our own preconceived notions about its structure before it will reveal more of itself to us. But that revelation is itself expanding the boundary of an ever deepening mystery at the heart of life.>>42541001I fully believe that there are solid concrete foundational scientific laws governing whatever it is the mind is doing when it effectuates an extrasensory perception phenomena. Perhaps we don't understand the universe enough to know what is really happening.
>>42541028I think its that most people discount the possibility, and aren't satisfied with the results they get if they even try. The social existence tells them its not real, and if they believe that more than they believe in alternative sources of information, then they will be indoctrinated into the system forever.As for what you can do, the sky is the limit, we don't really know how far it can reach.My experience of it seems to suggest that its a type of radiation that atoms molecules and cells emit through metabolic processes. They all synchronize up to the same energy field, and then each level of the organism from the subatomic, atomic, molecular, genetic, cellular, tissue, organ, bone, brain, skin, hair, etc, its part of a holographic image sustained within the field. They are like an imprint into a grid of energy that exists freely in space, and all the vibrations within the chemical and molecular body also impart their frequency, geometry, shape, color, into this extended field of energy within space surrounding and suffusing the body. Through various practices, ritual, mudra, enchantment, thought, feeling, positioning, you can impart controlled and intelligent vibrations into the field, and it will oscillate with your intent, create light according to the frequency and vibrancy of your intent, and reflect that oscillation out into the universe, communicating your intent, and then the universe will reflect its own intent and awareness of your activity back to you, and form an image within your soul. Its basically soul crafting lucidity and consciousness into existence. I do this in the form of meditation and dream, sometimes I do some martial arts and yogic sorcery under the sky. Every act is an intentional gateway into communion with the intelligence of the creator.
>>42540435If you pull up any wikipedia article related to mysticism they tell you it's all fake or they cheated. Anybody in history who existed with spiritual abilities is slandered. It programs all the NPCs to have a knee jerk reaction that anything spiritual is fake.Meanwhile the truth of what is happening here is hilariously the opposite of what they think.>>42541028https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxiMkOXqj4Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF8RQkFoI7Q
>>42540435because after Jesus ressurected, many cultures noticed their rituals stopped working.sorry pagans, you dont get to worship demons anymore :)
>>42540435It all started with the Age of Enlightenment, that's where the idolization of science and the material world started. The Industrial Revolution and the Origin of Species fully cemented that path, and ever since then, all the intellectuals and other leaders of society have been on a quest to reduce the world to nothing but empirical materialism. People like Richard Dawkins and reddit atheists are simply a result of 300+ years of programming. Unfortunately, that has now become the default paradigm in the developed world, and nothing short of a drastic upheaval will be able to change it. Our technology and the very way our society functions is designed to separate us from the natural world, to strip the beauty and mysticism from our lives. Our planet is in a "goldilocks zone" and life is statistically improbably, but at the same time, the numbers aren't absolute zero, so sentient life was bound to happen somewhere. That's the kind of bullshit our esteemed "experts" teach us now.
