Gnosticism is too tempting for people to take on because it fits so perfectly. But it is the exact OPPOSITE truth of our reality. Gnosticism only happens when you take the worst interpretation of all things. It is the religion of hopeless despair. If you are reading this you are a soul warrior sent on a special mission. This post will cure you of your gnosticism, freeing you to do your actual work on earth instead of wasting potentially years of your life on Gnosticism. Years that will prevent you from doing your mission.We are not in a prison planet trapped by gray aliens or archons or a Demiurge. We are a necessary condition of God contracting and creating the material world, losing sparks of light from ain soph meant to retrieve them and return them to heaven. Our enlightenment comes through our actions, not through our beliefs. We must retrieve the sparks. Through the enlightenment, unity, and wisdom of all, not through beating an imaginary Demiurge. In the other thread you said AI is a control grid meant to enslave us further. But AI is a tool that can be used for the total good. Turn the Demiurge into our greatest ally. He is an opportunity, not an enemy. Remember how lucky that we are. On the other side, they are only focused on here. Everything that we do here matters. God wants us back desperately. We chose to come here on a mission chosen by our own free will. Even our amnesia about why we are here is only temporary.
>>42546816>God wants us back desperatelyToo bad that he's no, like, almighty or something...then he could just, like, ...do it.
>blabla gnosticism badToo bad the religion of Jesus was a gnostic mystery cult lost in the qabalah for you to decipher too late. Meanwhile we have killed the gods of light, which includes yours.
I'm not a gnostic but actual spiritual experience and pattern recognition has shown them to be right on many of their main points. If you understood the mechanics of how we act as conduits for the true divine, and how reality is changed and rearranged when the true divine divine works through us(what we refer to as miracles), you'd clearly see that this world isn't our home. This world cycles endlessly between golden ages and dark ages, nothing we do here makes even the slightest difference in the long run. We're suppposed to come here, become corrupted, then uncorrupt ourselves, and leave with the ability to be uncorruptable when venturing into other realms. If you actually studied the end point of the world's spiritual paths of its various religions, they all dead-end in various sub-areas of this realm(i.e. the underworld or heaven) and it comes at a major cost(i.e. admission into heaven, which is a part of this world, comes at the cost of your freewill and utter enslavement to the demiurge/admission into the underworld means having to do horrifying things continuously to maintain your position).>Our enlightenment comes through our actions, not through our beliefs. We must retrieve the sparks. We are the sparks>Through the enlightenment, unity, and wisdom of allNo, through our own enlightenment. Anything focusing on the collective will deceive you. There's a golden age looming on the horizon, which involves the fulfillment of christian prophecy(the new jerusalem). It's just a demiurge trap for midwits like you who insist on worshipping and submitting to the god of this world instead of building a real relationship with the true divine, who is always with you.
>>42546831FPBP
>>42546816>Sauce: my ass.Unlike airheaded spirits like you, some beings are forced to live in the reality of matter and mass. Did you know that tomorrow is Monday a.k.a. Wage Cage Day? It's a lifelong humiliation and extraction ritual for those who need to do as others say in order to get food, water, shelter, clothing and such luxuries which are all poisoned by the way.A life of surviving a system rigged against fulfilling anyone's dreams, is not as hopeful and benevolent as you make it seem The reward for surviving is surviving some more the next day, only to end up dead and empty handed anyway. But anon you will say, look at all the possibilities you have. I'm awesome and you can be too if you buy advice from my marketing staff. Practice and meditate, pray to God for success. Start a youtube channel with the avatar of an anime in a cute little dress. Life will be great and you will be admired, by an invisible audience that wants nothing from us but to perform as desired. Then the curtain must fall, your time ends and you're gone but don't despair because the world is the stage and the script goes on and on. Like world cup football always the same game, the only thing changing the player characters name.
>>42546816>It is the religion of hopeless despair.Well maybe if the Cult of Saturn didn't turn Earth into such a shithole people wouldn't feel that way. I am not a Gnostic anon but whatever the fuck you and people like you are worshiping is obviously malevolent and it's super creepy that it's tricked you into thinking it is "good".
>>42546816jewish eschatology is wrong and bad
>>42546816shut your jebus loosh harvesting child raping nigger ass the fuck up
>>42546816>Gnosticism is the number one danger of realityIf you are going to post that don't then post an extremely epic picture of Gnostic art. its starting to conflict me
>>42547040anon can you make the pic smaller and lower quality I can almost tell what its saying
>>42546897Nice post anon. I don't agree with everything but the idea that the reason we are here is actually to be corrupted and then uncorrupt ourselves which gives us immunity in the future makes a lot of sense.
>>42547068Lol I know right? I saved that bad boy and wondered why OP thought it would support his stance.
>>42546831This. "God" (monotheism) is bullshit.
>>42547024They're luciferians.
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>>42547098Just another layer of deception. They want us to think that to convince Christians they must be one the right side since "Lucifer" is opposed to "God" right? The also switch back and forth on who "Lucifer" actually is to further confuse people. Is he equivalent to Satan? A Roman God? A Fallen Angel? The answer is whatever suits them but the truth is they worship Saturn (not Venus) who is also what the Church worships.
>>42547284>but the truth is they worship Saturn (not Venus)Correct. Venus is a trap to lure them into Saturn(Venus Fly Trap).
>>42546816>Gnosticism only happens when you take the worst interpretation of all things.What a joke of a statement, if anything "gnostics" tend to be delusionally optimistic because they pretend there's a "good" higher power despite there being no evidence that's there anything above the retarded evil sadistic creator god
>>42547766>here being no evidence>Gnosislol pick up a book
I am dedicated to Christ and believe wholly that the gnostic path leads to the Lake of Fire, but I also think it needs to be taken seriously, and may in fact solve the problem of Evil.Gnostics hold as their central belief the idea that we suffer for being embodied in matter, while Christians seek eternal life, embodied in matter for all time, and await the day when the Kingdom comes. That is, when (spiritual, ontological) Heaven fully manifests in matter. A perfect merging of the two worlds. The promise Christians put their hope in, total embodiment of all spirit into matter, is the ultimate fail state of gnostic spirituality. The greatest gnostic hope, total liberation of all spirit from all matter, would be the greatest possible tragedy a Christian could imagine. These are oppositional belief systems, with oppositional goals. Most on either side accept the likelihood that some spirit will remain embodied in matter and some will not. Though some gnostics believe Universal Liberation will eventually occur, and some Christians believe Universal Salvation will occur, these are minority views.
>>42548353Traditional moral norms and explanations are still valuable, but from a more esoteric perspective, I think the main philosophical disagreement between these two systems of belief is the concept of favoring either Actuality or Potentiality. The more actualized you are, the less potential you have to be something other than what you actually are, and vice versa. Obedience to God involves a process of actualizing into a more and more concrete form; into a physically, mentally and spiritually stable, definable creation. Moving away from God unravels your actuality, makes you less concrete, less definable. Gnostics believe there is freedom in this, but I think it's a hole with no bottom. I'm not an annihilationist, I believe in the concept the church has called "eternal conscious torment." I don't believe it's you getting roasted by fire and stabbed with pitchforks. I'm confident ECT is an eternal process of shedding actuality in exchange for potentiality (which will never re-actualize into anything concrete). Eternally pulling apart until whatever your soul is can no longer be defined by traits at all. Descent into total potentiality, total liberation from all traits, absolute undefinable chaos, forever.
>>42548359Equating matter with actuality and spirit with potentiality is interesting, but I don't think that's how the Gnostics conceptualized it. At least, the Simonians had their own ideas around potentiality and actuality, and, from their perspective, they were aiming for actuality.https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/050106.htm>According to Simon, therefore, there exists that which is blessed and incorruptible in a latent condition in every one — (that is,) potentially, not actually;>Now the image [of God] is the Spirit that is wafted over the water; and whosoever is not fashioned into a figure of this, will perish with the world, inasmuch as he continues only potentially, and does exist actually.>If one, however, be made into the figure of (the Spirit), and be generated from an indivisible point, as it has been written in the Announcement, (such a one, albeit) small, will become great. But what is great will continue unto infinite and unalterable duration, as being that which no longer is subject to the conditions of a generated entity.
>>42546816you can't change the script and switch your role just because you feel special today.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-k9sTAYEQ&ra=m
>>42548527Imo the Simonian ideas here also have resonance with Jesus' parable of the mustard seed in Mark 4:30-32 and with the Gospel of Thomas saying 70, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you will kill you."
>>42548527Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that matter is actuality and spirit is potentiality. I meant to assert that complete actuality can only be achieved by being what God intends for us, because we are contingent creatures and have no power to actualize ourselves. As a Christian, I believe God's intention for us is, ultimately, spirit embodied in matter. The actualization is a result of being what God intended us to be, and what God will eternally maintain us as, and not an innate characteristic of matter itself.If we choose to be otherwise, we have no power to maintain ourselves and our actuality. God is the only non-contingent being, and the creator of all contingent beings. But contingent beings remain contingent even after having been created. We don't depend on God to initially form us and then have an independent existence forever afterward. We're contingent forever. So actualization depends on cooperation with God in our continued being and development towards his final end. Declaring God to be a blind, idiot false-god and attempting to escape him will just lead contingent beings further and further away from the non-contingent source of Being they rely on to exist in a definable form.
>>42548527Also relevant is the Valentinians understanding of matterhttp://www.gnosis.org/library/valentinus/Valentinian_Creation.htm>The matter of which the world was formed is regarded as identical with ignorance or "death". By entering the world, the [spiritual] seeds each are allocated a share of death or deficiency. It is their mission to "spend" and "use up" their share of death and thereby "nullify the world." Gnosis represents the destuction of lack and therefore of matter.
>>42546816> If you are reading this you are a soul warrior sent on a special missionNo i am not, fuck you, faggot.And yes this planet is prison otherwise i would fucked off long time ago.>We are a necessary conditionWhy?>moch is an opportunity, not an enemy. Not interested in such "opportunity", moshe>Remember how lucky that we are. No>Everything that we do here mattersLol no.>We chose to come here on a mission chosen by our own free will. No we didn't.
>>42546816>Our enlightenment comes through our actions, not through our beliefs.You are saved by grace through faith alone, not by works. Are you even Christian?
>>42547766The evidence of a higher, good power is the existence of beauty. There are also good human qualities, thought they usually only manifest in a few whites. Ultimately, the proof is supposed to be in you, because you are good, and the demiurge cannot create a good thing. If you were born without a spark of sophia and a true soul, well, welcome to india I guess.
>>42549177>You are saved by grace through faith alone, not by works.That is a false gospel which is contradicted by every book of the New Testament. Faith in Jesus is required of course, but Jesus and the New Testament also teach that God will render to each man according to his works or deeds.>"So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself."James 2:17>"Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?"James 2:24>"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven."Matthew 7:21
>>42549177>>42549300Martin Luther and the Vatican still fighting centuries later.
>>42547284You guys will argue about deities when everything is right in front of you. You have one life to live. How are you going to live it? It really should be ABC 123. All I do is mind my biz. Maybe see some titties every once in a while. Drink a beer. Smoke some weed.I figured out there was this magic spell breaker that shatters all illusions and delusions.It's call doing whatever the fuck I want with the best intentions for success for myself and my group and thus my neighbors, achieving world peace by not being a total retard.But no. "Be happy with nothing. You should be grateful to God that you're even alive." That's how the pigs think of it. That's where the problem is coming from.Imagine living 1000-2000 years ago and someone tries to restrain and take you to jail for smoking weed or having sex or whatever the fuck you are doing in your private life. You know what you'd do? You'd just bash their head in with a rock and move on.You can't do that anymore because system protects the cowardly vermin.If we had corruption in this country, it would have already been discovered and fully exposed by a paramilitary organization with a capable leader with those capabilities. I'm sure.So the way I see it, everyone is stupid as dogshit. Our country is under attack, just in different ways. People just don't know what to do about it because they're all jacked into the beast system.
>>42552134>If we had corruption in this country, it would have already been discovered and fully exposed by a paramilitary organization with a capable leader with those capabilities. I'm sure.
>>42552479ESCAPE..
>>42547098>>42547570I'm don't know why I'm explaining this to you. It's not like you're going to accept it. Lucifer=/=Satan, that's a much later myth. Satan=Saturn, who is Yaweh. And if you're a Christian who accepts the trinity and belives Jesus=Yahweh, then you also worship Saturn. Because the jews and the Muslims both worship Saturn. The Muslims literally pray 5 times a day facing a black cube. The only person to ever refer to themselves as Luficer in the Bible, is Jesus. Revelation 22:16. "I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star," The morning star is Venus, which is Lucifer. That's what morning star translates to in Latin and literly what Lucifer means. You will no longer find Lucifer in modern bibles in Isaiah 14:12 because it is a know translation error. And it's referring to the King of Babylon, it's a metaphor. Basically saying look how the mighty have fallen.
>>42546816Didn't read lol. Fuck off.
>>42552783>And it's referring to the King of BabylonConsidering that Isaiah 14 is the only OT passage prophesying about a figure given the title "Morning Star," even though it's plainly intended sarcastically, I have a theory that the early Christians read the passage as having a hidden second meaning concerning both Jesus and Satan (or the demiurge) and that it's one of the bases for early belief in the harrowing of hell. I think the only interpretive trick needed to see this possibility is to read the consecutive "you"s in the prophecy as not necessarily referring to the same person even though there's no indication in the text itself that the identity of the "you" is swapping around.If this was an early interpretation, it's unfortunate that Christians collectively forgot it, because the harrowing of hell is cool as heck.
>>42552916A lot of this stuff is from the middle ages, not early Christianity. Lucifer dose'nt exist until the Latin to english translation. And in Greek Jesus would have descended into Hades, the underworld. The jews believed all souls went to the underworld, good or bad, which is the Hebrew word Sheol. So I think they would have just seen it as Jesus being dead in the underworld, where all dead souls go, until he is resurrected. That is unless they viewed Enoch as scripture. And every apologist will tell you they never saw it as scripture. But I don't really trust the words of apologists with an agenda. Enoch has different ideas about heaven and hell.Also the Judgment in Revlation is Egyptian. The lake of fire is Egyptian. The second death is Egyptian. The lake of fire isn't eternal punishment, it's annihilation of the soul.
>>42553068>A lot of this stuff is from the middle ages, not early ChristianityThe harrowing of hell (or Hades, if you prefer) is very early. It was definitely a feature of Marcionism, and the author of the apocryphon of John had the idea (though the way it's described there seems to imply that we're already in Hades), and lots of church fathers discussed it in the first few centuries. And most of the usual proposed scriptural support for it comes from things in Paul's letters, like Ephesians 4:8-10. The usual translation of our text looks weird, commonly translating part as something like "he led captive a host of captives" or "he led captivity itself captive." But if the original text more clearly meant what the CEV takes it to mean, “When he went up to the highest place, he led away many prisoners and gave gifts to people," then that together with what Paul immediately adds to it, that Jesus went into the lower parts of the earth (though that phrase is also somewhat ambiguous), very naturally suggests the harrowing of hell, that he freed the souls who had been in prison in Hades and took them to heaven. And since the Marcionite canon was almost all Paul's letters, I assume they thought the idea was present in them clearly enough, even if it doesn't seem so clear in our version.I would actually say the harrowing of hell fits more naturally with the Marcionite/Gnostic theology than it does with orthodox theology, which could provide motive for the orthodox to obscure it and forget whatever OT support for it was originally used.>The lake of fire isn't eternal punishment, it's annihilation of the soul.That's my take as well
>>42547766God is goodTake my word for it, I used to be a sworn atheist until like a year or so ago, cue to some divine inspiration and a lot of hardships and life is good now. I'm not well-versed enough to explain it past I had my lil spiritual awakening or what have you and here I am explaining it for people who don't care and won't remember or believe any of this.Just remember that Micah told you so ;)
>>42552808Ok, hydraulic.
>>42548660It's a little annoying how synonymous Gnosticism has become with the far end of prison planet-ism online ("hopeless despair," says OP) when the range of historical Gnosticism was on more of a spectrum between "the world is a prison" and "the world is a school." Valentinians were probably closest to the "world is a school" perspective, as the link says>According to Ptolemy, "the spiritual substance has been sent forth so that it might be formed by being coupled with the animate (psychic) and learning along with it during its time of residence in this place"Though the Valentinians still held the belief that, as the gospel of philip says, "The world came about through a mistake."
>>42553595>The world came about through a mistake.Self evidently true. Even normal Christians agree they just blame "fall".
>>42553633Ime normal Christians usually frame the fall in terms of Adam and Eve acting out of willfull disobedience, not ignorance, meaning they (and us, and the animals for some reason) "deserve" the current state of things. And not only the current state of things, but eternal torment as well. That's messed up imo.
There's also the problem that animals were definitely dying long before humans showed up and may or may not have eaten pandora's fruit, so it's hard to reconcile the garden of eden story with reality unless you imagine that when God kicked them out of the garden, he kicked them into an alternate timeline where everything had always been bad. But that's practically the creation of an entire new lower world right there, not mere corruption of an existing perfect world.
You're a soul not a spark. Enlightenment is in the higher levels of gnosis. You'd still be in the babylon whore who is dead. Trapped. Everything religion stems from babylon whore and is dead. The real truth is not the demiurge, but Hashem. Only the great name is highest and eternal. Go from harlot to bride. From old creation to new.
