>last night, get a premonition of the devil>know that if he will come into my bed tonight to visit me>if I sleep there, he will be able to possess me>evening turns late and feel an ominous presence in the room>drink some of my holy water and sleep on the floor>say the rosary with St. Michael's prayer and read the words of Jesus when he performs exorcisms>when I lay down, a miasma falls on me and I have an unnatural sort of sleep>have a feeling like a very vivid dream, in hindsight it was probably more accurately an illusion>I am in my room, but awake and aware. my room has been transfigured>my bed has been turned into a throne and satan sits upon it>behind the throne is my window and a black moon is shining through. i realize the entire glass pane has been stained black.>his skin is black like frostbite and he wears a simple dark cloak>I am on the floor and much smaller than him, sitting cross legged. he begins to speakcont.
>he tells me that I made oathes to him when I became a sorcerer. he says that the angels will not help me because I have made myself into their enemy by seeking their power. he tells me that our craving to become equals with our master is the same>i tell him that my only oaths were made in my name, not his, and they were under the condition of death>he says that the condition of death is implied to be spiritual death, and as the lord of the dead he has ownership over me>I tell the devil that even the dead may find life once more if they repent and believe in the Gospel>he says that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and I committed that in the process of my sorcery>I say that I had no understanding of the Holy Spirit until after I was awakened, so I could not commit a crime against something I had never encountered>he flashed visions of all the horrible things I've done back at me, and asked me if I really believed I was forgiven>I say that if I cannot find forgiveness I will only seek redemption>he reaches into my spiritual body with his finger and begins to pull my intestines outside, they are pitch black>he laughs at me and says "Surely you know this fortune? I arranged your vision tonight to show you this. Give up your meaningless faith and serve me dutifully. A good slave is rewarded while a bad slave is beaten.>He disappearsI hate satan so much bros its unreal. He totally wasnt planning to bring me there he was just mad because I did one thing right in our encounter and trusted my message from God. I can't refute a lot of the things he said, so I don't really know what to do. I wish I hadnt given myself such a strong connection to Satan through my black magic, even if I didn't serve him. At this point, I think I have to achieve full angelification to actually have enough power to protect my soul. Anyways, everybody thinks I'm crazy so I have to deal with this alone for the most part, but do you have any advice?
sounds like satan is buttmad because none of his deals ever hold up in cosmic court
>>42551179the only thing that matters is if you trust the word of god. satan is just messing with you. even he can't make god into a liar.
>>42551179>>42551178I don't know if this story is true, but I will answe anyway.You shouldn't give into what Satan says. No matter what happens. God is very clear that anyone seeking redemption can find it. Blasphemy against the Holy is not a specific act but a continuous one. If you are seeking God, is because you still can feel it. People who rejected the Holy Spirit do not seek God anymore.
>>42551182i mean yeah he just shows up sometimes and tries to make me give up my soul in a contract which i'm obviously not going to do. I have long term madness as a side effect of my black magic which is bad enough already, but I think he believes that in my weakened state I'm going to become vulnerable some day and give in to him. I am at the stage of power now where any evils I commit are more and more unforgivable, so if I made the same mistakes I have before then I'll truly be damned in the manner of the demons.>>42551183The only thing I can have that Satan can't is faith. He is my superior in all things but faith, so that's my only weapon against him. It's the 5th or 6th time I've met him directly, so at this point I am at least aware of what's going on while it's happening. He is the accuser, I am the defendent, and there is only one Law>>42551198>Blasphemy against the Holy is not a specific act but a continuous one. If you are seeking God, is because you still can feel it. People who rejected the Holy Spirit do not seek God anymore.Thank you. That's a comforting thing to hear. It causes an immense ammount of anxiety either way as you can imagine. I renounced God in search of my own power, only to realize how powerless I was and seek redemption. Since then I've been relying on my magic to avoid demonic possession and not using it for any other purposes while trying to live a Saintly life. Hopefully it isn't too late.
>>42551224>Since then I've been relying on my magic to avoid demonic possession and not using it for any other purposes while trying to live a Saintly life. Hopefully it isn't too late.I am curious, what kind of magic do you practice? I know is black magic, but what are the speciifcs? How did you end up like this?
>>42551224>He is the accuseryephes gonna stand there and REEEEALLY fuck with you about your faith. "ohhh, you believe god will forgive even that? THAT? that thing you did KNOWING it was wrong, KNOWING it was unforgiveable and punishable by death?" (coz he'll just make shit up too because he's NOT concerned about the truth, only proving your faith FALSE and he'll lie if he has to to get you to renounce it). just be stupidly, childishly faithful. it'll infuriate him, and he will say and do some WICKED scary shit, but just continue on childishly trusting in the lord. even if he puts you in a place of wicked torment, or complete darkness, whatever. it's all a lie to make you scared and doubt and renounce your faith. IT IS A LIE. HE LIES to make you renounce your faith. god bless.
he'll lie about anything. the word of god is the sword of truth. take it up and use it against him.
>>42551178>>42551179He's right. You're a dirty sorcerer that owes his master plenty. Even your solution of "angelification" sounds sketchy.
>>42551235your magics are useless in comparison with childlike faith
>>42551275You are right.
>>42551179Pray to Jesus. Go to church. Give up magic. Seems pretty clear.
https://youtu.be/xQvRUOVzdR4
>>42551235I only really practice divination and exorcism magic now, and just that to counter the demons. I am extremely spiritually powerful now, and it's very easy to see how useless attaining magic is for personal gains. Even though it isn't with magic, just my spiritual power distorts reality around me to an extreme degree. Strangers fall in love with me, wild animals sit beside me, i have supernatural luck etc. That said, I was a different person in the past. I had chronic dissociative states and would drift into the spirit world by accident. One day when I was there I met a relatively friendly demon, who taught me many secrets. He didn't ask me for any payment in return for the knowledge, but told me that I was destined to become a demon so it didn't matter anyways. I learned about sacrificial magic and astrology for the purpose of projecting my mind into different eternal realms (basically giving me directions to heaven or hell and the other places). Being a dumbass, I immediately used that knowledge to try to break into heaven and the Angels ran me out and have hated me ever since. Whenever I communicate with Angels they just scream at me now. I spent most of my time in Hell after that. The gate is open, and demons would torture me from time to time but didn't actually care that I was a living mortal inside my body. I talked to a lot of demons trying to get as much knowledge as possible, believing the demon I had met that I was already damned. I learned to do powerful sorceries in this time, and some of them permanently altered my physical existence. It was extremely painful physically, mentally, and spiritually, but it was effective. The main side effect was madness and chronic hallucinations (which, might I add, only started at this point). That is mostly to say I had connections with hell for some time.1/2
>>42551305I’ve seen Jesus. Go to church. Read the Bible. Go to a priest. Get blessed. Tell them you’ve seen the devil. Wear a cross.
>>42551305However, I went on a pilgrimmage through Britain and I saw a Satanic charm that had been placed at Glastonbury Abbey. I destroyed it, knowing this was not what the monks would have wanted, and asked their spirits for protection. Since then, I've been having visions of God instead of demons and have been desperately trying to get my shit together. I think they are helping me from even in my abysmal state and trying to uplift me from the horrible situation I put myself in. Even though I'm not practicing magic anymore, I feel and see and hear God everywhere and am frantic to become somebody "Saintly" to make up for the prideful actions I have taken. I ask God to tell me things to protect my soul and he gives me answers which is the only form of divination i use. Even though I'm trying to achieve humility, I do not exist on the human plane of existence anymore. Partially because my existence was altered by magic, but also because I've been disconnected from my physical body for too long and fall into mystical states during the day. I can read people's minds and people fall in love with me and praise me even though I don't want them to. It feels improper to try to exist on the level of the rest of humanity I guess, because the amount of power I have isn't proportional to that existence. I feel like to redeem the evils I have done I need to commit far more good than I can with regular human facilities, so I've been trying to pray and meditate to become a better being that can enforce more of God's will.
>>42551305I understand. Personally I never had interest in magic that involucrates demons or other spirits. Generally when I practice anything spiritual, is inner, like for example manifestation and meditation.Is there anything wrong with those things, in your opinion? Or what brought you here is exclusively messing with like black magic? There is no reason why you can't just stop doing it. You can always hop out of any magical art. But as other anons have said you really need to go to Jesus for help.
>>42551179What an honor for you to meet Satan. I wish to see him myself one day.
>>42551330>I can read people's minds and people fall in love with me and praise me even though I don't want them to. It feels improper to try to exist on the level of the rest of humanity I guess, because the amount of power I have isn't proportional to that existence. I feel like to redeem the evils I have done I need to commit far more good than I can with regular human facilities, so I've been trying to pray and meditate to become a better being that can enforce more of God's will.I understand. For now, you should focus on your relationship with God.I wonder, do you still consider yourself "human" ?
>>42551283I have given up magic I just can't escape these visions and stuff anymore or their effects>>42551316I carry a rosary and I say it when it needs to be said due to the omens or because someone needs help. I go to church but I can't take communion because I'm not worthy to, but I do read the bible constantly. What is Jesus like? That is a great honor.>>42551331>Is there anything wrong with those things, in your opinion? Or what brought you here is exclusively messing with like black magic?Black Magic isn't just necromancy, I'd say manifestation is pretty dangerous because it's obfuscating the role of God in your life. You're better off praying. Meditation is good insofar as it's a form of prayer. Magic as a term is just too broad. Really people are just talking about false means of attaining spiritual power. It would be hypocritical of me to denounce anything when I practiced it all. That said, it is forbidden for wise reasons. There probably doesn't exist "that guy" who can just handle the truth.>There is no reason why you can't just stop doing it. You can always hop out of any magical art. But as other anons have said you really need to go to Jesus for help.I did stop but that doesnt just get rid of my connection to Hell. All I can hope for really is the mercy of God and I've been trying to become a good vessel to accept it.>>42551339You probably will in Hell.>>42551340>I understand. For now, you should focus on your relationship with God.This is the plan>I wonder, do you still consider yourself "human" ?Human is my being but I think I'm actively changing into something else. I believe that Saints are just people who achieved angelification before death, and that is my goal as well. I read writings of the Saints and connect with them on the level they were written at, even if their lifestyle is still aspirational. Mundane reality has a thin membrane and once it is pierced things happen to you that don't go away. It's hard to say you're you.
>>42551375I was going to tell you to take communion, but the spirits advised me not to say this
>>42551375He’s attractive. He didn’t say anything. At the time I was in the hospital. I couldn’t speak because of all the medication and demons. I’m getting better now. He looks like pictures of him.
Do you want to be friends on discord?
>>42551375I forgot to message you, do you want to be friends on discord?
>>42551396thanks for trying to advocate for my salvation.>>42551405Even if you couldn't hear Jesus you can know his words from the bible. Being able to imagine his appearance in these stories physically is pretty awesome. I'm very happy for you. I hope your faith sprouts far and wide.>>42551414sure, if that's acceptable to you as well. would it be possible for you to post your username through a temporary image link? i'm very nervous about having my username attached to these posts.
>>42551434username is justcallmetom, add me when you can
>>42551440sent a request
I always wonder why the devil targets random nobodies, doesn't he have better shit to do? what if its just some random spirit larping
>>42551461It didn’t work. Let me try something. Here. I’ll send you a link to my discord through email or something. Here’s my email. latestworkemail@gmail.com , when you get a chance just send me an email, idk why it won’t let me send a discord link through 4chan
It scares me how little people know about Islam these days.
>>42551491you will know them by their fruits
>>42551497Are you a muslim?
>>42551481i sent you an email too. check your spam folder
>>42551179What're you doing?Beat his ass.
>>42551508no
>>42551513last time i fought a demon he kicked my ass and tortured me for two hours.
>>42551515I see, may God be with you.
>>42551525God didn't make you a pussy, you did. If you need a sword then get one.
>>42551529Hopefully so. I'd rather not have God against me. Thank you.
>>42551511It was in my spam folder. I sent you a request on discord, check your discord when you can, thanks
>>42551533i think drawing upon my magic for more power would be against the will of God, and probably pointless anyways.
>>42551546The joke is you already have everything you need courtesy of God, dumbass. If you can't see it then ask him to help you see.
>>42551546Have you tried talking to Jesus through meditation? Could be a good idea.
>>42551546A moldy cup needs vinegar and a good scrubbing, neither is pleasant
>>42551558I havent been able to talk to Jesus, only the Holy Spirit. It is what warned me about Satan last night, but It doesn't communicate to me with words. Often if there is a voice it just leaves me impressions that I know are divine and therefore am supposed to follow.>>42551550Jesus didn't beat up Satan when he appeared to him, he just rejected him and Satan went away. I do not suppose to be capable of more than Jesus.>>42551567I don't understand what you mean.
>>42551587What he's trying to say is that you have a lot to work on in regards to your spirituality.
>>42551623 i said so earlier. even compared to a normal person i'm in a much worse position, since i'm one misstep away from damnation. i am just grateful that I was given the wisdom to change, and ashamed that I've needed to rely on divine mercy to even have a chance at salvation. I don't deserve to ask God for any more, but I'm still very very afraid of Hell.
>>42551639Believe it or not, people can only go to heaven through God's mercy. So don't be ashamed of relying on God, everyone relies on God for everything.
>>42551954if you bathe in a crystal clear river and see all of the filth washing off of you, you begin to feel guilty for entering the water. even if it loses nothing of itself, it lays bare your own wretchedness in the eyes of God. It would be more easy to be hated by God than pitied, or so the Devil would say.
>>42551965Satan is a liar who mixes truth with falsehood. Adam came to this world because he believed what Satan said.
>>42552025I'm doing my best to work with faith for the purposes of becoming pleasing to God. Those emotions are how I feel on some level still, even if they are dark emotions. It is what I meant by "redemption". Even if I am still unworthy to God, I just hope to accept my punihsments because I know they are just. That was the only way out of sorcery for me at first, to ask God for punishment for my sins. My spirit still bears distortions in that capacity where I cannot believe myself capable of mercy. The guidance and good fortune God has given me only humbled me more deeply, and I think it was done for the purpose of instruction. I was foolish and saw sacrifice as a noble thing, sacrificing the good for another good. Now I can begin to see that the Good emanates itself upon itself, and trying to bend or distory the light of God is foolish and impossible. It only casts a shadow. That sin of sorcery is still in my heart which is why I still exist in mortal sin and need to repent more deeply. Because a lot of the sacrificial sorcery I used to do intentionally bound my emotions in exchange for other rewards, a lot of these things have to be done intuitively because my mind is basically lost. Some things are just traumatic, and unknowing false truths tears you into pieces and leaves you more humiliated than ever, regardless of what your power is compared to those around you. I don;t know how to stop exerting my influence over reality anymore, because physical things are so ephemeral to my senses anyways and they bend too easily. I just want to please God but I feel like my responsibilities have increased relative to my power, even if I am still a fool.
>>42551179Become as much like Jesus when he was on earth as possible. This is what deification/apotheosis is. You have not hardened your heart to him. Know that you are unworthy of forgiveness yet are forgiven anyways. Stop with the sorcery. Go to church. Repentance is a mistranslation, seek metanoia. A truly fundamental shift in your consciousness and the way you think.
>>42552073If it helps, I'm going through a similar trial in my life with Satan acting like he owns me because I used a horoscope once. That said, my faith as a Muslim is all I have. Do you know the story of the angels Harut and Marut? They came to humanity with black magic as a trial. Alas, most people ignored their words and took the black magic. This is why you are suffering.
>>42552101>Become as much like Jesus when he was on earth as possible. This is what deification/apotheosis is. You have not hardened your heart to him. Know that you are unworthy of forgiveness yet are forgiven anyways. Stop with the sorcery. Go to church. Repentance is a mistranslation, seek metanoia. A truly fundamental shift in your consciousness and the way you think.That's what I've already decided to do. I don't do sorcery anymore, supernatural stuff just occurs on its own. It's not easy to be a good person, and people around me constantly call me one. It humiliates me on a deep level to be misappraised so severely, and just makes the distance between myself and others more sad. It's like I'm standing in a canyon and reaching out for the sun, and those around me are telling me how tall I am. The gate is so, so narrow and I want to do everything I can to help and protect them, to make them understand the severity of things and bring them to God the easy way. I regret my own mistakes so deeply, and want to help shine the light of God on others that have not been made to understand. The cross is heavier and heavier the lighter I try to become.
>>42552103The bible says suffer not the witch to liveWhy is this so? I would say it is because the knowledge that is gained is too harmful, and can spread easily like a spiritual disease. Just as lepers are pronounced unclean.>And if leprosy breaks out all over the skin, and the leprosy covers all the skin of the one who has the sore, from his head to his foot, wherever the priest looks, then the priest shall consider; and indeed if the leprosy has covered all his body, he shall pronounce him clean who has the sore. It has all turned white. He is clean. But when raw flesh appears on him, he shall be unclean. And the priest shall examine the raw flesh and pronounce him to be unclean; for the raw flesh is unclean. It is leprosy. Or if the raw flesh changes and turns white again, he shall come to the priest. And the priest shall examine him; and indeed if the sore has turned white, then the priest shall pronounce him clean who has the sore. He is clean.Uncleanliness, once no longer infectious, can become clean once more. I think it is the same with sorcerous diseases. If we can keep ourselves from reopening the scabs, we can become clean once again despite our lingering disfigurements.
>>42552158The Qur'an makes mention of this affliction with Moses in verse 20:22Just a cool fyi.
>>42552297i findamentally cannot get along with islamic thought because it misplaces the presence of God
>>42552342Misplaces? You mean in regards to Jesus or what exactly.
>>42552396yes, but also on a philosophical level. the hatred of divine symbology betrays a primitive understanding of the transcendant nature of God. There is no Jesus, obviously, but there is also no Holy Spirit. It's just Judaism all over again with all the same problems.
>>42552525And yet the Jews dismissed Muhammad despite coming to them with clear proof of prophethood.
>>42552535i have nothing positive to say about Muslims or Muhammad
>>42552573Well say whatever you wish. Life is a finite thing. And mankind is ever ungrateful to their God.
>>42552396Islam is really just a hivemind and its obvious to on-lookers. There's a particular style of aggressive yet subtle preaching that all muslims without fail do that is almost demonic. I say almost, because for the truly debauched, there is value to be found in the life-hating legal philosophy that is Islam, but that is its fundamental flaw; it is little more than a legal philosophy. The way you all preach is basically an LLM. ShariahGPT. Ill give it to Guenon types though theyre more like Claude
>>42552592Some people need that sort of guiding force in their life. You may not like it, but the world as it is wouldn't exist without Islam.
>>42552638>the world as it is wouldn't exist without Islam.You take credit for this world?
>>42553237No, Allah takes responsibility for everything that happens in this world and the next.
>>42553316without the armies of the antichrist there would already be the kingdom of heaven on earth
>>42553334Indeed
>>42551179That's not Satan, that's YOU. You made oaths in your own name, that's the hint, but make no mistake: this is a piece of yourself communicating vital information: that you're obsessing over your own guilt, most likely. That you sit in your head too much about the choices you made. By the way, blasphemy of the holy spirit would mean you don't ever even attempt to return to God, so that's a pretty solid way to figure out this isn't Satan, the entity: he's working WITHIN your limited awareness, not freely beyond it. He also doesn't say you're wrong about the oaths, and that implies he is you, or a part of you, since Satan wouldn't use lies you obviously remember being wrong to lead you astray.The true God is a god of pain. Wisdom is the gift to those who willingly take on sacrifice- of the personal, emotional, or physical type, it doesn't really matter, but when we give up what is important to us, despite the discomfort it brings us, and dive headfirst into it with faith in divine protection: we will learn, painfully, more than anyone else. You got a good look at your own shadow just for choosing to sleep on the floor. He seems strong, because you ignore him. Treat him like a friend, not an enemy. God commands all things within his creation, not just the angels, but the demons too. Only man walks freely. If you're really on this path, you have the tools to handle what's been given to you.
>>42551178>when I lay down, a miasma falls on me and I have an unnatural sort of sleepYou should probably clean your room. If it's flatulence related, crack a window so you're not huffing jenkem all night.then this stuff will probably stop.
>>42553709> that's a pretty solid way to figure out this isn't Satan, the entity: he's working WITHIN your limited awareness, not freely beyond it. He also doesn't say you're wrong about the oaths, and that implies he is you, or a part of you, since Satan wouldn't use lies you obviously remember being wrong to lead you astray.That might very well be Satan's plan in order to integrate himself into his mind without me noticing. I'm not going to fall for it if that's the case. He's a lot smarter than I am. I've seen and been involved in convoluted demonic plans in the past and they always get what they want in the end unless you involve God. They see fatalism to its end except when God intervenes to protect humans. Since God told me to not sleep in the bed, there was something about this iteration of events that was necessary for my salvation. I just don't know what it was. >The true God is a god of pain. Wisdom is the gift to those who willingly take on sacrifice- My entire practice as a black magic user was the infliction of suffering upon myself to gain things. I get tortured by demons with physical pain a lot and it made me more powerful but I went insane. I can't even feel pain or anything anymore. God wants me to create and do good and not to destroy and do evil. >‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
>>42553732lol
>>42551375>Black Magic isn't just necromancy, I'd say manifestation is pretty dangerous because it's obfuscating the role of God in your life.If you know about this stuff, can you explain what exactly is manifestation? What is considered magic in your opinion? I practice a lot of that stuff (not magic) and I want to know if God approves.
It was Satan anon. Turn to god and Christ
>>42554177I would define manifestation as using internal spiritual power to attempt to alter outcomes in reality towards your visualizations.>What is considered magic in your opinion?I would say magic is any ritual practice that attempts to produce supernatural knowledge, outcomes, or abilities. >>42554985I know. I have already. I just need to not sin again.
>>42555318Like some anon said above, can I add you on Discord? I just hope you don't mind. But don't try to do a weird ritual on me.
>>42555325Feel free to post your tag, maybe on a throwaway email or image. I don't do sorcery anymore I just want to live a good human life and go to heaven. I do exorcisms and a little bit of divination but both are in God's name for the purpose of avoiding demons and evil. If that is abominable to you I understand, but I certainly won't do anything harmful. I never specialized in curses and stuff like that anyways at my worst, mostly just Necromancy.
>>42555364throwawaylmao125Discord tag
