>>42551311
For me, it's a result of having come to an understanding of existence. Once you know where you are, you want to leave.

>>42551311


It’s a lack of fulfillment.

You know you are not intended to live the way you are living, and you know this deeply. Further, much of digital modernity presents the best curated variant of itself. That creates a scenario where your comparative life is much worse than that of everyone else.

Keep your expectations realistic, try to be the best you can be every day.

Comparison is the theft of joy.

Ask yourself how you can be fulfilled, be realistic and do a hard analysis of your current position.

>>42551311
Get Niacin (nicotinic acid, the form of niacin that gives flush, not niacinamide or nicotinamide).It keeps the voices away.

>>42551311
This voice is mine and i am simply infinitely tired of god inaction

>what is it
Schizophrenia
>how do we get it to stop
Take meds

>>42551311
Its your subconscious, there is a part of you which wants to die.
>>42551381
kys

>>42551311
It’s demons / negative entities. You need a priest. It will work. Keep getting prayers.

>>42551311
I've had this for many years. Basically my form of sighing or cursing is not "oh damn" or invocation of some deity like it is for most people apparently, but various variations "i want to fucking die"/"when will i die already". It mostly happens whenever I'm haunted by negative thoughts or memories, though I've largely learned to deal with those over the years (it used to be worse).
Per psychobabble it's a result of anxiety, neurosis and self-hatred, which all cause a sort of existential tiredness and a form of depression basically. The therapist's go-to advice in this case is to "love thyself", but it's easier said than done, unfortunately.
Or you can interpret it as a natural response to this world of someone who is "not of it". This existence fucking sucks, yes.

>>42551311
I get violated and abused by retarded trannies all day every day in the most evil and disgusting ways imaginable and they're constantly threatening to make the abuse worse so death starts to feel like a practical option both to stop the current abuse and prevent future abuse but unfortunately when I die I just get force-reincarnated/forced to repeat my life and continue getting abused for another lifetime so killing myself isn't a solution

>>42551436
damn, you're literally me fr

>>42551311
I jerk off every time it starts to babble.

>>42551311
comply

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>>42551571
>found the edgy 14 year old.
If I havent done it at this point then some subhuman 4chan dweller who masturbates to tranny porn telling me to “comply” isnt going to cut it nigger.

>>42551311
>Has any other seeker/creative/gifted/autist anons had this for most of their life?
I do now but am unsure if I did in the past. When I was young I blocked out the voices because they were evil and mean. When I was a teenager I was depressed and killing myself came to mind often, but no voices. I only regained my ability to consciously hear these voices after learning/practicing mediumship. When I started hearing them again they were screaming at me to kill myself. I can only assume there were entities subconsciously telling me to kill myself as I was thinking those things, but didn't have the ability to hear from the other side. Our world is sick on a spiritual level. That's why these entities do this.

My advice to you would be that you need to put in a very large effort to be positive. You want to change your resting vibration state to be more positive. If you do this not only will you not hear the voices as vivid, but you can block them out or ignore them more easily. This will take effort on your part. So start dancing, start singing do whatever it is that makes you feel more positive. Meditation for mental quiet is also helpful. Try to start at 10 minutes a day and go to 20. This exercises your brain to better ignore communication from the other side. And lastly medication can help (mine make me not care about the voices) but that will take effort and it's a long long process to find meds for schizophrenia that truly help.

>>42551311
>chymical imbalances
LMFAO. Most mental illnesses are caused by the spirit world. Especially something like schizophrenia.

>>42551381
>>how do we get it to stop
>Take meds
Lmao. You know nothing and it shows. I take schizo meds and it doesn't get rid of the voices. It's because it's from spirits, not a chemical imbalance. Sugar pills often outperforms psych meds.

>>42551793
>asks some subhuman 4chan dwellers who masturbate to tranny porn how to get it to stop
>receives his due answer
>seethes
comply and you won't hear from it again, take it or leave it.

>>42551982
>tranny cope and projection
>due answer
That was one answer out of many and you are probably a nigger.

>>42551848
I dont actually hear them but I have over time learned to better recognize it as a manifestation of manipulation tactics of forces outside of my mind and not just my own thoughts. When I was a kid the them of suicide wasnt there but I remember them flashing my mind with the words “fuck god” and I intuitively knew it was something demonic. Its hard to be positive when your body is suffering but I agree its up to us to find ways to overcome the gaslighting and manipulation of these predatory inorganic loosh farmers.

>>42551311
>It’s a lack of fulfillment.
This. Or more precisely, you lack purpose.
Find a purpose.
It sounds like gay high school guidance counselor advice, but it works.
Jordan Peterson was right about one thing, clean your room bucko. Do anything as long as you start doing something.
Make to-do/goal lists and fulfill them every day/week/month even if it's just "Clean Room/take out the trash." Keep a daily journal and fill it out every night, even if you only write down "This is gay." every night. Physically write stuff down, it becomes a magical act.
The whole point is to organize your mind. Organization in your mind is organization in your life.

>>42552111
Checked, i am 100% pure bred afriKKKan

And my answer is the only correct one

>>42552459
Shouldnt you be muhdikin somewhere then or resisting arrest/selling drugs/smoking crack?

>>42551311
Negative entities that think it's funny, or those who get something out of your suffering. What they would get, I can't reasonably say--but one thing I can is that they enjoy it. Through personal experience I've found that they are sadists, they find our suffering amusing the way we find TV amusing. If you got stuck in a hole and climbed out with bloodied fingertips, their sides would split as they convince someone to kick you back in. They find humor in irony at your expense. I don't think they believe in much else beyond finding our slow and painful demise funny, in watching humans struggle with the promise of hope only to take it away, and offer it once more, in a cycle ad infinitum.

I truly hate this world.

>>42552960
I have found something similar. I don't wanna go into details but I had an experience that confirms your post here to the letter. I think I had a demon controlling me or rather I submitted to a demon and it basically was escalating and going to coerce me into killing myself inadvertently. I think it did think it was funny. I never experienced anything like it before in my life and as soon as I realized what was going on I started panicking and realized I needed to stop what I was doing and stop fucking around with this shit. This was a one time occurrence after like 15 years though I can't relate to OPs daily or regular stuff but they do find amusement in pushing you until you cannot take it anymore, or tricking you into doing things that are self destructive and will eventually lead you to your demise.

I think it's because they're damned and they want us to be damned along with them. Scariest thing ever was realizing what I was doing would lead to me being found dead by my family

>>42551311
>what is it
I dunno
>how do we get it to stop
cast "no u"

>>42553013
You need to understand how to differentiate yourself from these "intrusive thoughts", observe them from a place of detachment until you can recognize them as a foreign thought-form, and then use your imagination to torment them back. Remember that they have to make themselves vulnerable, they are in your space which you control, and their only weapon against you is to convince you that it isn't yours. When you remember that it is, they pants-shit and leave.

I know you said it was 15 years ago, but this is an important skill to learn if you ever need to combat a demon.
This goes for OP too.

>>42551311
>Intrusive thoughts
Disregard without giving them further attention. They will pass.

>Magnum loaded IT's
Redirect attention back to your senses or thing you should be focusing on.

Consider calling the pros of needed.

>>42553093
I should also add, they WILL try to convince you that it isn't working. Until death they will show you false visions of them being completely unharmed, laughing, mocking you, etc. It's all a farce.
It most certainly does work. You need to intuitively know what their death looks like, and find your mind reaching that goal. If this sounds confusing, it is, because it doesn't follow the logic they insist we do, it implies something that seems impossible, knowledge we don't know yet.
But they wear logic like a coat and take it off when convenient, I don't see a reason we shouldn't do the same. You can be a fucking powerhouse when you apply yourselves, and I hope you do. Godspeed.

>>42553093
My problem was I enjoyed the 'intrusiveness' and honestly think it was more along the line of possession than anything. Was totally inadvertent. I essentially stumbled into this from childhood and was unknowingly invoking a demon. It sort of went away when I was about 18 or 19. And then trying drugs for the first time at age 25 brought it back, like drugs sort of opened up my mind in a way I was no longer capable of doing on my own and it replicated where my mental state was when I was younger and experiencing this and that opened the doorway for this thing to return.

Triple problem was I was an atheist for this entire experience so I didn't even think 'demon' was an option on the table, just that it was some normal thing to be doing but now with more knowledge and looking back I cannot glean it as anything but some demon latching onto me and influencing me. I really don't want to contend with it at all, it scares the ever loving fuck out of me that this is even a thing that can exist in reality at all. I can almost piece it together little by little looking back, like what I was seeing/hearing and how I was behaving. Creepy fucking shit, it's all fun and games until it's not

>>42551311
They're demons, it's not schizo shit.
Every culture in human history believed in demons right up until liberalism, aka satanic feminist pride slop started invading all the western institutions in the 70s/80s and convinced people that they're just monkeys and that they should just do exactly everything the Bible warned people not to do.

If you're getting suicidal thoughts, you are in very deep and need to humble yourself, submit to God, ask for forgiveness, sanctify yourself and use the name of Jesus Christ to get rid of them.

If you aren't filled with the Holy Spirit, you're likely filled with demons you unknowingly invited in who tempt you to sin or torment you by manipulating your emotions or injecting thoughts into your head that you mistakenly believe are your own.

If you sin enough, Satan claims you as his child and God gives you over to him and you become a reprobate mind who embraces all forms of degeneracy and hedonism.

If the demons are telling you to kill yourself, it's because God hasn't given you over to him yet because there's still hope for you.

Don't believe liberal propaganda, investigate and read the Bible yourself. KJV only.

Look up spiritual warfare.

>>42553235
I know a lot about spiritual warfare and have been fighting demons for many years the way the op is worded is rhetorical. I do absolutely believe in God as in the Creator and went to a evangelical methodist private school from middle thru most of HS which taught the KJV. Personally I am not a Christian though. My main problem with it is that to me the bible has clearly been tampered with and the creator been “infused” with elements of Canaanite deities like Baal and El. Calling for blood sacrifice and enslaving people is more something a demonic reptilian “alien” entity posing as a god would do imho.

>>42553330
Is wiping out evil cultures controlled by Satan a bad thing?

>>42553390
I understand that is the supposed reason for it and that according to the generally accepted version that they were descended from Nephilim giants and other types of genetically modified monstrosities which I also believe is a real thing. I think “Satan” is kind of a patchwork entity created by jews/canaanites/phoenicians/neanderthals/hybrids or whatever and has more in common with Yaweh/El/Baal as provincial deities (“jealous god”) types than a true creator being. And since the whole origin story of the bible centers around the jews/hebrew israelites who the same book later calls the “Synagogue of Satan”. There is just too many red flags for me personally to commit myself to that specific faith. Im not trying to insult your faith this is just the conclusion I have come to after many years of pondering this stuff and im by no means an expert.

And since (…) and that christ is supposed to be the culmination of that line of David, which is the same line that is supposedly produced the Synagogue of Satan. (And yes, I am familiar with many of the arguments like differentiating modern “judaism” from true israelites of that they only became evil because they refused to accept jesus as son of god etc). All this to me is just further proof that the bible is not a perfect 100% divinely inspired word of the creator down to the last comma, is what I meant to type, my last comment came out a little jumbled due to editing while distracted. Id be lying if I said I wasnt influenced to a big degree but christianity for better or worse. I agree with a lot of what you said in your original comment however about how demons operate and stuff.

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>>42553507
Just to clarify somethings.. The Jews didn't become evil because they rejected Jesus, they killed Jesus because they were already evil.

Jesus told them that if they were the sons of Abraham, they would do the works of the Father and then called them sons of Satan. Later on he said there are Jews who are not actually Jews but instead are the Synagogues of Satan.

The line of David did not produce the Synagogues of Satan, you have to remember that there's 12 tribes and each tribe has many bloodlines, David is from the Tribe of Judah. The Pharisees and Sadducees were from the tribes of Benjamin and Levite.

What do you make of the KJV being full of hundreds of numerology patterns imbedded in it while no other translation has anything like it? Surely if God preserved his word like he said he would, he would also authenticate it. Picrel is just 1 of many examples.

>>42551311
It's demons for sure. I had that problem until I started being grateful for what I had. Your thoughts reflect your mindset, not the other way around.

There's no control. Just controlling yourself.

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>>42551342
More on niacin (vitamin B3 in the form of nicotinic acid).

>>42553390
>Is wiping out evil cultures controlled by Satan a bad thing?
No. It's heroic and holy. Plus, after "wiping out" the satan culture people, you get their land and wealth, right jew?

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>>42553235
>They're demons, it's not schizo shit.
Same thing. Watch Jerry Marzinsky.
https://www.youtu.be/watch?v=5TaFN_1JdDI

It's not an either/or approach. You can do prayers and you can take niacin.

>>42551311
Just do it.

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The Bible would've been better if the verses were replaced with lyrics from Linking Park songs

>>42551311

My theory is that whatever is sending these voices to you is being harmed by you. Whether your spiritual energy is hurting them, or your higher self is their natural enemy, the existence of people like you is causing harm to something.

However, it cannot attack you directly. It might be because you are being protected by something, or for some other reason, and that is why it is trying to make you hurt yourself and break down.

This is my theory.

Your brain is trying to problem solve for the intolerability of your existence. You need rest but you can't rest because life requirements. So your brain keeps suggesting death.
Personally I would suggest anything but that.

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>>42554569
Intredasting…
>>42554726
You first.

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>>42551311
You can push them out of the way with mantra repetitions. The more gently and neutrally, the more effective in the short term. And the more peacefully--without intent to any's harm--the more resounding the effect. It's not a perfect solution but it worked pretty well for me. You can use music tracks in this way, too. This technique is known as "erasure".
I would recommend sticking to stuff that takes less than 15 minutes to read, so e.g. the Diamond Sutra is out, unless you can find verified proof of it being a mantra worth spending a lot of time on.
(E.g. 101 repetitions of the Diamond Sutra take about 95 hours, while you can fit a 108 Black Tara in 1 hour.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPiBZ4WjUQE

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Oh, and you have to do it with warmth and friendliness if you want to enjoy it.

>>42555637
This is really good advice, OP, you should try it. It helped me too when they harassed me. Push it away gently. Practice daily, try to integrate it in your day to day.

>>42556064
I forgot to mention mantras should be in your native language. It helps it work

>>42556064
Why wouldnt I intend harm to entities that want me to destroy myself and ruin my life? Sounds abrahamic well poisoning nonsense. See op pic for how i feel about buddism.

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>>42556156
You're not supposed to take my word for it...
Feel free to substitute your own definition of "serenely" or "peacefully" there!

>>42556699
Ok, but I am not a buddhist nor do I give a shit what he had to say.

>>42551311
It's probably some dipshit spirit entities trying to fuck with you if you know those thoughts are spontaneous and non-sensical to your current standing in life, but it could stem from anything, from guilt or just constantly feeling guilty from lack of whatever you have in life, just need to tell them or yourself that you lack nothing in against that regard, and rebuke such things when you know you're taking steps to a better path or trying to do your best to reach such steps, never give up, WAGMI, let those responsible for sending such signals to your thoughts, brain and emotions suffer from their own inflicting words, your will is different than your thoughts, remember that, always

>>42556739
That's totally fine.

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The "foreign installation" is a concept from the shamanic teachings of don Juan Matus, as chronicled by author Carlos Castaneda in his final book, The Active Side of Infinity. Don Juan described it as a psychic parasite or "predator" that implanted a false mind into humanity to feed on our energy.The Mechanics of the PredatorAccording to don Juan, humanity is unknowingly controlled by an energetic parasite, often referred to as "the flyers" or "the companion for life".The Implantation: This non-organic entity installed its own "mind" into humans long ago. It is the source of our constant internal dialogue, self-doubt, anxieties, and systems of belief.Energy Harvesting: The parasite uses this false mind to create inane problems and existential panic, generating flares of human awareness that serve as food for the predator.Total Control: By giving us its mind, the flyer dictates our social structures, our definitions of good and evil, and our daily preoccupations to keep us docile and predictable.How to Defeat the Foreign InstallationDon Juan taught that the only defense against the flyer's mind is relentless discipline. The goal is to starve the predator so that your original, true awareness can return to its natural state.Inner Silence: The most effective method is to consciously silence your internal dialogue. By denying the predator its constant stream of thoughts, you place a heavy burden on its mind.Impeccability: Sorcerers practice living with impeccable intent and calmly facing unforeseen challenges. This alters your energetic frequency, making your "glowing coat of awareness" unpalatable or invisible to the flyers.

https://www.metro.org.br/en/editor/the-discipline-against-the-foreign-installation/

https://www2.hawaii.edu/~jjudd/energy/partI/universe/inorganicb.htm

>>42558233
Rejoice brother. For you will see them again in the coming years. Can't say how few or how many, but you will be reunited again. Amen.

do it then

>>42551311
>living in modern society, away from nature and sunlight, having to deal with normalfags everywhere, the grind, the concrete, sillicon, noxious culture and money
>evil entities everywhere, what good spirit would pair with this shitty fucking frequency? Zero, of course
There you go. This is no place for humans to exist. We must go inna woods or redirect death pulse towards the ones who need to die. Suicidal people are not the ones who need to die. On the very contrary.

>>42559054
Nah would rather keep boning your mom.

>>42556156
>Why wouldnt I intend harm to entities that want me to destroy myself and ruin my life?
Well you can't harm them. You can drive them crazy, but they may still stay.

You use mantras to essentially override what the spirits are saying. Hard to hear them when you are reciting a mantra. If you can find/write a mantra that can help your emotions be more positive it's even better - these entities more easily communicate if you have the same/similar vibration/emotional state.

This has nothing to do with being "nice" to them. It's about doing things to combat them. Mantras can overshadow the communication while changing your vibration state makes them more easily ignored and makes it difficult to communicate.

>>42556739
Well then you are a fool. It's good advice and not Abrahemic. Let me know if you find a way to harm the entities giving you voices. I don't think such a thing is possible.

>>42556156
>Mantras are abrahemic
Mantras are from ancient India.

>>42560565
>Abrahamic
I think he's thinking of Mantises

>>42560524
> its about doing things to combat them
> . The more gently and neutrally, the more effective in the short term. And the more peacefully--without intent to any's harm--the more resounding the effect.
Combat is generally not neutral, gentle and peaceful.
See: >>42558133
I dont see why you couldnt harm them just because they are non physical. Either way you can make yourself unpalatable to them or less of a food source hence starving them of your energy which could qualify as harming them or at least possibly get them to leave you alone.
If you can find picrel its worth reading.

>>42551311
I had a recent problem of me just randomly thinking without actually thinking bad phrases , that I didn't mean , in regards to cristianity.

like I am just walking about and I just (mentally ) hear " I give all my soul to satan right now I can't back at that).

it kind of went away on its own , because I found it so gay , I was constanly shit talking it.

along side other reasons.

>>42551311
its actually the opposite for me
for most of my life when i was contemplating killing someone or myself something else would talk me out of it
i actually learned that females are attracted to violent individuals because their entire purpose is to transmute the raw anger into sex drive
obviously once i got the gist of it i could do it myself but it was important to get constant confirmations of this

>>42551311
Do you actually listen to the voice? Like do you seriously consider what its saying? Pay no mind to such violent ideations

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>>42560777
Forgot pic

I'm an expert in this field. The spirits have been telling me to become christian and kill myself over and over again every day since 2019 when i was college. the pressure and trauma caused me to drop out.

The spirits NEVER stop, and medication will only help if you're a normie. If the spirits want to latch onto you, they will, no matter how many meds you take.

It all depends on if you're worth the trouble of doing so. Chances are you aren't, but I was. My message of parallel universes in videogames reached the spirits and they deemed me an "important person". so meds don't help with the voices at all.

You just have to learn to become strong and ignore them, and find the good voices, and latch onto those ones.

Ask me anything. I'm battle-hardened.

>>42551311

They are BORN from habit. They exist. We need to eat to EXIST. Just like us they must eat. Difference between us mortals and the immaterial they cannot die. But their power may be weakened. Once they have been given birth chances are they won't go away. But their power and influence may be weakened and like a lot of anons have been saying curating and filtering your mind and spirit and body helps. Take care of yourself. Slow and steady dont let it snowball. Even in the field of psychology talk therapy is usually more effective then medication. When you cant handle it yourself seek help. I'm sure that there are a lot of people that can manage themselves though everyone is different. Be honest with yourself. Good luck and I wish the best in all afflicted

>>42561139
>It all depends on if you're worth the trouble of doing so. Chances are you aren't, but I was.
Honestly this statement sounds a bit narcissistic. Its not a contest but Ive been dealing with manifestations of this phenomenon for at least 17 years. It started are the time i started making “orgonite” to combat microwaves from cell towers and wifi (although i had seen ufos and other strange things before this) and started getting harassed by military black helicopter and other aircraft flying extremely low directly over my house at all times of day and night. .They also like to try to ruin loving relationships by exacerbating emotional imbalances like anger, anxiety and mind controlling your family to gaslight you etc.

>>42562263
Yup thats what i was getting at with >>42558133 , >>42560777

I'm not gifted or anything of the sort but that voice went away after I died, experienced a vast nothingness void of existence itself and came back. I've never felt suicidal since then, either, despite decade of repeat attempts prior. Whatever that voice was, it died that day and I came back without it

>>42551311
checked
OP, a voice in your head telling you to kill yourself is not natural.
The only reason people kill themselves is because they are in pain AND don't know how to make that pain stop.
Once you think you've tried everything, then it's either
>continue living the rest of your life in pain
>or
>kill yourself so the pain stops
>t. was suicidal once. For this exact reason.
pain stopped. was no longer suicidal.
never once had a voice in my head telling me to kill myself
suicide was just the logical suction to make the pain stop
How did the pain stop?
I grew as a person, I dod some asta resort things which were uncomfortable, but got me closure.
Yes my pain was emotional. Super retarded desu.
But I got closure
and the pain immediately stopped
and I was no longer suicidal
and think it was super dumb to be suicidal, without first maxing my credit cards and quitting my job and finding out if there is something in life worth living for before I really kill myself.
I hadn't even considered flying to Hawaii for six months or something and just surfing a season and just doing whatever I want. Maybe making new friends. Maybe enjoying myself. Oh maybe a girlfriend. Who knows. But I didn't even think to try it.
Anyway
>Voices telling you to kill yourself are the CIA or schizo Jew demons.

>>42560777
>dont see why you couldnt harm them just because they are non physical.
How can you harm them? Be detailed. I am under the impression they cannot be harmed. The post you referenced said "starve them out" which is exactly what I am suggesting when I say change your vibration state so they have trouble communicating with you.

>>42563902
>be detailed.
What makes you think i owe you an answer much less a detailed one you retarded faggot?
>inb4 its because you dont have an answer
Ive been studying the topic of entities for 20 years. Maybe if you want to actual have a real discussion you cant start by explaining why you think demons are immortal or cant be harmed by us. Something more than “i have an impression”.

>>42551311
I don't think that's you actually.
Mel Gibson was on JRE and there's a clip where he talks about thoughts and he says "The first thought you have in any situation, that's not you, the second thought reacting to the first, that's you."
The problem with "thoughts" is that many think that it comes from them, that it's some deep desire or some sub conscious shit, I can't prove it but I think that they're demons or something, more importantly is that you can also find other beings that aren't so negative.
I used to be super depressed and suicidal but through the power of music I've changed that and now the voices I hear are kind of a mix, there's still some depressing voices but many voices are positive or they offer a different perspective that opposes the depression.

IMO you hsould try to cultivate positive spirits, I think that they view our lives as either stories or games and for the most part it's the malicious ones that will screw with us for no reason other than malice, the good ones you typically need to reach out to and ask them to intervene on your behalf.

I would again encourage people to read the inorganic beings link i posted above. I used gpt to get some further elaboration on this and other relevances to this thread without having to search though a bunch of different books. If you ignore the AIs melodramatic speech patterns its a pretty good summary:

>>42566583
>In Carlos Castaneda’s shamanic cosmology, "the gap" typically refers to an energetic space in a human's luminous body (the cocoon) located at the height of the navel. According to his teacher, don Juan Matus, this gap opens as one develops personal power and will, and it serves as a pathway for heightened awareness. [1, 2, 3]
Castaneda detailed various aspects of "the gap" across his books, most notably in A Separate Reality and The Fire from Within. Key concepts regarding the gap include: [1, 2]

* The Navel Gap: Described as a gap in the energy cocoon, similar to the soft spot on the head of an infant, which allows sorcerers to perceive and interact with other energy streams in the universe. [1, 2, 3]
* Twilight and Time: In broader Castaneda terminology, a "gap" also refers to liminal states of time—such as twilight—which are viewed as "gaps between worlds" where rational boundaries and everyday reality dissolve. [4]
* Stopping the World: To access the gaps in reality, Castaneda’s teachings emphasize the practice of "stopping the internal dialogue" to break the habitual perception of the ordinary world. [5]

Would you like to explore specific quotes regarding the gap from his books, or are you looking to dive into the broader practices of sorcery and intent in the don Juan teachings? Let me know how to best guide your reading! [1, 2]

[1] [https://www.goodreads.com](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1430297-a-separate-reality)
[2] [https://terebess.hu](https://terebess.hu/english/fire5.html)
[3] [https://quotefancy.com](https://quotefancy.com/quote/1981607/Carlos-Castaneda-Our-will-operates-in-spite-of-our-indulgence-For-example-your-will-is)
[4] [https://www.instagram.com](https://www.instagram.com/p/CPTNO9mBWUg/)
[5] [https://en.wikisource.org](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:To_read_Carlos_Castaneda/13)

>>42566593
>In Carlos Castaneda’s books, particularly [A Separate Reality] and [The Fire from within] the "gap" is described by don Juan Matus as a vulnerable spot in the human energy cocoon that expands through the development of personal will and represents a shift in perception. It is portrayed as a fragile, physical, and energetic opening that separates ordinary reality from the unknown, allowing for the perception of other worlds.

>>42566619
>The gap is vulnerable because it represents a structural weak point in a human’s energetic defense system. In Carlos Castaneda’s The Fire from Within, don Juan Matus describes humans as luminous cocoons of energy. The gap, located near the navel, is a literal break or opening in the fibrous crust of this protective shield. [1]
Susceptibility to Cosmic Forces: Without the rigid shielding that protects the rest of the cocoon, the gap is exposed directly to the harsh, crushing energy currents of the universe. [2]
* The "Rolling Force": Don Juan warns of a cosmic energy stream known as the "rolling force" or the "tumbling force". If a warrior's gap is open and they lack the sobriety or personal power to navigate it, this force can crack the cocoon entirely, leading to madness or instantaneous energetic death.
*Because the gap acts as a trapdoor to the unknown (the nagual), an unprotected gap allows external, inorganic energies to seep in, disrupting the warrior's focus and emotional balance.
The gap is directly tied to lifespan and aging, serving as the energetic clock of human existence. In the shamanic perspective, human lifespan is determined by how well the luminous cocoon traps and preserves its vital energy. [5]
As an ordinary person ages, the gap naturally widens and weakens. It acts like a slow leak in a tire, allowing the person's life force to dissipate continuously into the universe. Don Juan famously lists "old age" as the final enemy of a man of knowledge. In energy terms, old age is the period where the gap becomes so wide and fragile that the warrior no longer has the strength to seal it or resist the pressure of the universe.

>>42551311
Realize that the thoughts are not you. How can the thoughts be you if "you" can see them from a 3rd person perspective? Thoughts are just thoughtforms floating in the mind.

Practices such as meditation helps you to "strenghten" your awareness.

>>42566630
>In Carlos Castaneda’s shamanic system, the gap is the fundamental structural difference that separates organic humans from inorganic beings, dictating their radically different lifespans and vulnerabilities.In The Fire from Within, don Juan Matus explicitly contrasts the physical nature of these gaps to explain why inorganic beings operate on an entirely different timeline than humans.
1. Shape and Vulnerability: Bowl vs. ThreadEvery sentient being possesses a luminous energy cocoon that features a gap. However, the geometric layout of this gap varies wildly between species:
The Human Gap: Man’s gap is described as a bowl-like depression the size of a fist. Because it is a wide, deep indentation, it is fragile, highly exposed, and constantly susceptible to the crushing forces of the universe.
The Inorganic Gap: The gap of an inorganic being is shaped like a long, thin thread or a hair of luminosity. Because their gap is so narrow and structurally minimal, it does not leak energy the way a human bowl-depression does.

>>42566641
>2. Immortality and the Trap of LongevityBecause the inorganic gap is merely a thin hair of luminosity, inorganic beings are infinitely more durable and longer-lived than humans.The Appeal of Long Life: Don Juan explains that because inorganic beings do not suffer the same rapid drainage of vital energy through their gap, they can live for thousands of years.The Mistake of the Ancient Seers: The "old seers" (the ancient sorcerers of Castaneda's lineage) became mesmerized by this longevity. They used their dreaming practices to interact with inorganic beings and frequently chose to cross over, pinning their energy bodies to the inorganic realm. They traded their human freedom for the near-immortality offered by the thin, durable structure of the inorganic gap, effectively becoming prisoners of that realm.3. Energy Exchange and "Allies"When a human sorcerer interacts with an inorganic being (often referred to as an "ally"), the human gap acts as the primary energetic vulnerability that the inorganic being exploits.Inorganic beings covet the high-intensity, volatile energy of organic beings because organic life is fast, warm, and highly conscious.If a sorcerer's gap is open and they lack ultimate impeccability, the inorganic being can attach itself to this energetic weakness, feeding off the sorcerer's emotional states or projecting illusions directly into their perception through this opening.

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https://archive.org/details/timothy-green-beckley-round-trip-to-hell-in-a-flying-saucer_-ufo-parasites-alien
Another good book on inorganic loosh farmers.

>>42551433
>If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first
i always thought this went very hard
world is a fuck

If you guys hear voices do you also feel like you're being zapped or there's a rusty metal wire running through your bodies? Not mocking, genuinely curious about this one.

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>>42568686
Yeah, sometimes. It's pretty gross, I'll be glad to put this shite behind me.

Oh, and I want to remark on the very annoying more-subtle kind of voice that tries to suggest destructive, angry forms of speech. It is very annoying!

>>42551381
>Telling /x/ to take meds
Lmao bold move

>>42551311
Reminding yourself that there’s always an exit is a comforting coping strategy, so you can become addicted to it like anything else.

Prune that branch of your mind with a therapy, meditation, mantra recitation, negative conditioning, or whatever else. Agree with yourself that it is counterproductive and unnecessary given your capacity to explore the rest of the tree with the fullness of your life.

>>42568686
I dont actually hear voices the thread is about the more nebulous idea of an “inner voice” that isnt really your own. I suspect the difference between that and full blown scizophrenia is simply a matter of degree. According to castenadas
DJ schizophrenia is caused by a crack in your energy body or “luminous cocoon”

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>>42570560
Words were meant for taking to other people. If something is talking to you, it's not you. Even if it says it is.

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>>42551311
It's probably not spirits and suicidal ideation, especially momentary quips, are rarely rooted in a genuine desire to commit suicide. Prolonged suicidal ideation can raise the risk of actual suicide attempts if the root causes are not addressed, however. Usually it's a stress response that just means you want to escape the current situation, the current emotional state, or both. If you want to reduce these thoughts, it can be helpful to turn it around. When you catch yourself thinking that you want to commit suicide, try telling yourself the opposite ("I want to live") and perhaps state a good thing about yourself OR a thing you are grateful for. It's fucking cheesy and you won't remember to do it every time, but this can actually work. It will also help to and track the when, where, and what of when you feel these thoughts, it can help you determine what specifically causes you distress. Figuring out the cause and dealing with it (or reframing your perspective on it if reasonable/safe to do so) can also help deal with the thoughts, but also generally improve your life. If it's severe enough, I recommend therapy. Cognitive-behavioral therapy is effective and treats many psychological issues without needing pharmaceuticals.

>>42551311
It's from the same source as every other negative thought suggested to your nous.
The more you interact with them, the more intense they become, leading to thoughts of annihilation of others, everything or the self.

>>42552138
Remember. The beatings will continue until moral improves. Being positive has helped me nearly the most. That and purification baths.

>>42565476
>What makes you think i owe you an answer much less a detailed one you retarded faggot?
So what you are saying is that you have no idea how to harm them. That's good. A feud with a demon sounds not fun.

>why you think demons are immortal
It's because they are in a place without spacetime. They communicate with this world by tapping into our spacetime. They do this by finding a human with a certain "vibe" or by changing someone's vibe (usually negative). As a result of not being in our space/time physically they appear immortal, can sometimes see the future, and can travel distances quickly.

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The Voice of Knowledge by Don Miguel more or less talks about this phenomena. Suggests that the voice isn't really foreign or alien it's more like a tulpa built up by everything you've learned about the world. Also teaches you how to master it and have it more aligned with your actual self.

>>42571348

It does become convoluted however when you factor modern day MK Ultra technologies/efforts.

thanks to an anon in this thread, i'm checking this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfvtxb3Y1AQ

>>42551311
At this point, I'm convinced it's teenagers making these dumb threads, because nobody in their right mind would read this and say this guy doesn't mean psychiatric therapy right the fuck NOW.

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>>42553582
>you have to remember that there's 12 tribes and each tribe has many bloodlines
Jesus was not his real name and he was the the false prophet. Satan is among the "sons of God" in job and here you are telling me to worship a
>son of God
and not God, you worship a demon and muslims are stupid enough to believe its "evil djinn". As long as they believe that lie, i feel protected.

Christianity has always been a joke, i wish we could kill the creator. That is just STUPID though. Its a dumb idea to even suggest such a thing is possible.

Abraham was literal schizo, cardinal dolan said so. These religious fucks want to ACT like experts but are unsure of where these "demons" come from. ITS NOT HELL. They are from heaven and hide that. Why do you think christianity puts such an emphasize on
>Not going back
they do not want you to know what their true forms look like. And in the chaldean text this anzu IS THE FATHER of "Angels". No such thing as good or evil angels. They all answer to the same guy.

God does not put burdens on people. MEN DO THAT. Men like Jesus who have envy and jealously in them. That is where evil stems from. He cursed a tree too instead of healing it. Karmas a bitch