God created this world and universe with the intention of making a realm that is bind to physic rules, a world where things can Decay, a world where its creatures are made of flesh and can get hurt easily, basically he gifted us with the limitations we have, the limits and physic rules are the true gift, because these dont exist in the spiritual world, so by wishing to do magic or astral projection is the same as rejecting the objective this world was even build for.

>>42554529
That wouldn't "God", that would be the Demiurge. Literally I cannot see why a God that created humanity and gifted it things like the chakras, ESP, and others would want them to simply don't do anything 24/7.

>>42554504
If you love God and accept Jesus as your Shepard such that you "shall not want" - why would you need anything like RV and manifestation?
Is t God going to feed and clothe and provide like He does for flowers and birds? Don't you trust God?

Remote viewing doesnt work any better than random chance.
Astral projection is lucid dreaming.

T. Someone w Hyperphantasia

>>42554576
Ive proven that the human imagination has no influence on external material reality unless someone uses it to make artwork. Cannot use imagination to manifest physical objects or events.

>>42554571
I would want to trust God. But the problem is that often when you pray to God for something it doesn't come. To this day I have asked for a few minor things and is alright but I don't think he would bring something like most people can manifest. I mean, he can, but what if he doesn't?

>>42554591
>but what if he doesn't?
Then it's for the best He doesnt.
Unless you think God makes bad judgement calls.

>>42554634
Overall my problem with any kind of Deity is me thinking that I have better plans for myself. This doesn't just extend to God I disagree even with any entity that tells me what to do.

>>42554644
And that is sort of why Christians say God is against it.
It shows a lack of faith.
Other religions don't have as much of an issue.
"Trust in God but tie your camel," as the Muslims say.

Organized control structures rely on you believing you are a small, dependent 'Somebody' who needs a priest, a building, or an external savior to connect with the divine. If you figure out that RV, astral projection, and ESP are just the natural, built-in features of your own consciousness - if you realize you can directly interface with the universe yourself - you suddenly don't need the institution.
It’s not against the 'natural order.' We are literally infinite consciousness evolving to interact more complexly with the physical world. Your spiritual abilities aren't a sin or a glitch; they are just you finally learning how to fully operate the human vehicle.

>>42554644
You will never get anywhere, fuckhead. All spirituality is about submitting to the actual power behind all existence. How arrogant of you to think it would ever be any different. No entity will help you if that is your motivation. Get damned.

>>42554753
>No entity will help you if that is your motivation. Get damned.
I need no one else. But because is arrogant by my part, I will work on it.

>>42554504
Here's a suggestion: love God. not religion. Throw out all your man-made scripture and listen to God Himself. And if your next question is, "How do I even hear God?", then that's where these extrasensory abilities you talked about come in. In case you're worried that it might be demons influencing you, use your innate wisdom and sense of morality to weigh the value and righteousness of an action or vision.

>>42554504
God not only doesnt forbid us, he gave us those abilities with the exact intent to get around.
The issue is, we fell and lost some of these abilities because as a species we walked away
and when I say species I mean on a soul level.
Our bodies are overlays intended to trap us in and keep god out, but it doesnt work well and breaks down the moment you actually and genuinely start searching for god and its gift of intuition. We have the potential to be stronger then the system, but only if we believe it
and that is the starting pitch for the concept of a life that ends in death (the body) which is a very unnatural concept, the body doesnt die, it expires, life is with the soul, with spirit, not with the body, not with matter.
Now the servants of the destroyer (opposite of God the Creator, not Satan who is a fallen creation) over many years created this earth and these conditions all to convince us that our bodily lives are what life truely is, that death is so natural that it is unavoidable, all of it lies.
Their system is crumbling, the super AI intended to be inhabited by the Destroyer is a last ditch effort of the powers that be that simply cannot accept that this destroyer is already gone all thats left are his systems
this is why so many cover up strategies are failing now too
a permagolden era will start in our lifetimes, so be patient and help your fellow man
remember death is not the end, those whose bodies expire are still around in soul, they will still make it across the other side and you will be able to interact with them again as if the barrier between life and death never existed (because it truely never did)

>>42554529
God created this world as a mistake. He never intended to create anything and realized too late what he did (in the current future). He only wanted to test if his power really is unlimited.

>>42554684
>you suddenly don't need the institution.
It's not about need.
This is what those that don't understand, can't understand.
You see the divine as a power for you to access and exploit.
You can't love.

>>42554781
>Throw out all your man-made scripture and listen to God Himself
But that is exactly what my "man-made scripture" says.
>Gita 18.66: Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.
Maybe you are just reading the wrong texts.

>>42555092
You're simply choosing one set of limitations over another.

>>42555104
How is doing exactly what you said now a bad thing?
Because someone wrote it down before you said it?

>>42555130
Because you're still clinging to the Gita, not throwing it out. Even from the traditions that you favor, the extrasensory abilities I discussed before are viewed as a "distraction" from the "proper worship" of God. I worship no god who would so greedily corral and constrain my faith.
https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/11/15/

>>42555142
> you're still clinging to the Gita
No, that is bullshit you made up in your head.
The lone says abandon all religion.
You said abandon all religion.
Doing that doesn't mean I am clinging to either of you.
>traditions
Do you have a hard time reading?
ABANDON
THEM

It seems you are the one clinging because you are mad other people said it first.

>>42555200
The only thing you have abandoned is your mind and mental peace. It's muddled by reflexive anger. You alone choose what path you walk, but I yield no ground to you, and that's what's making you mad. These extrasensory abilities that we have are gifts. I don't care if it's an abrahamic or dharmic scripture or tradition - if it tells you to shun or reject your gifts, it's a limiting path with a limited view.

>>42555200
strictly speaking, he said:
>love God. not religion
you were the one who injected the exact phrasing of
>abandon all religion
idek why you're all caps mad

>>42555223
>if it tells you to shun or reject your gifts, it's a limiting path with a limited view.
Irrelevant when you have abandoned all varieties is such paths, which is what you said, and what the Gita says. Except you didn't mean it.
You are mad that you aren't original, and can only say what texts before you have already said.

>>42555239
No, strictly speaking you said listen, not love.
You can't even samefag pedant right

>>42555240
>Irrelevant
The OP starts with "Why would God forbid his followers to practice RV, astral projection, etc?". I have been exactly consistent along that line, but directing it even to dharmic traditions. I don't care if I'm not original - no one here is. And the only one who's mad here is clearly you. As I said before, I yield no ground to you and that's what makes **you** mad. Just deal with it.

>>42555242
>big mad that he can't read
lol debatebro seething

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Yawn. This has been known and explained since probably before you were born. Psychics are either charlatans fleecing people for money or using (or rather being used by) preternatural beings it's best not to get involved with. Most psychics, of course, are simply cold reading scammers.

>>42555250
>The OP starts with
This isn't about .y reply to OP. This is about anon saying "do.t listen to religious texts" when the religious text says the exact same thing.
Try to keep up
>>42555254
>completely run out of argument
>still mad he just repeats what a religious text already said

>>42555285
https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/bg/7/3/bombay/february/18/1974
"The yogis, they want to play wonderful magic: aṇimā, laghimā, prāpti-siddhi, īśitā, vaśitā. There are eight kinds of yoga siddhis. That kind of siddhi is not recommended here."
If the religious text says tells me not to pursue extrasensory abilities, that's where I get to throw it out. But carry on being disingenuous.

>>42555323
>>42555285
Okay guys, to stop you two from continuing the fight. I have a question for you both: What would be a reason God, the good one, not Yahweh or the Demiurge, want humanity to not pursue ESP abiltities like the beforementioned (not including magic) ? Humanity has those abilities as default, they are what we originally were, humanity is not and never was the powerless human who lives 120 years. It was something way more powerful. Why would a beloving God, who created us, exactly with those characteristics, want his followers to remain weak?

>>42555341
As far as I'm concerned, no god who tells us to **abandon** our gifts is a good god. The other guy who is obviously arguing to win but not to understand is stuck on some ideological and dogmatic webbing.

>>42554529
coun't you make an argument of God wanting us to be athetists then?

>>42554576
isn't the whole thing with remote viewing that the only thing that proves it exists that its slightly better than random chance?

I feel like you are just saying things anon.

>>42554504
Astra project yourself to Al Aqsa

>>42554504
No knowledge is forbidden. Its all in the Akashic Records.

>>42554591
I think with god humility is key. You can pray for things but you should more so be praying for strength and opportunity, you still have to make it happen for yourself. I have prayed for answers to questions and received them in the form of obscure earthly guides who showed me paths and books and answers to topics I didn't even think were real less than a year ago. If I didn't know better I would say it was just amazing luck I somehow stumbled across them shortly after praying. This only came once I acknowledged, honestly, that I am just a truly lowly being with very little comprehension of reality, and I begged for God to show me the truth. I still had to look, I still had to be open to it, truly open to it and set aside my ego and all my personal biases/worldview. I am still finding it but I am further today than I was yesterday.

Going into spirituality with arrogance and some chip on your shoulder of how special you are is a recipe for disaster imo. I don't see any way to have spiritual growth from self importance and arrogance. Like going into a class thinking you know more than everyone and failing to develop the proper skills/understandings from it and then blaming the teacher or the field for your failures. I mean what do you really truly 'know' after all. What can you say you know as truth and fact, like you know your own hand. It's probably less than you think.

>>42554504
Why would God be a jewish mythology?

>>42557865
Many make the argument from all sides. That God will deliberately blind people for their arrogance and pride. That some will just never see. I think it's true, I was an atheist myself for about 29 years. Usually when people said shit like this to me I would just get annoyed and think they were retarded and arrogant themselves. That I saw everything perfectly clearly and I knew everything because humanity is obviously at it's peak and science has the most flushed out and coherent answers in the history of human civilization as we know it. I followed most of it so leveraging all of human science made me qualified to dismiss the whole thing. I just wrote of spirituality entirely as bullshit and never even bothered a single rudimentary test of it myself in any contexts.

I spoke about it like I was better than it and already mastered it before I even explored any of it. 29 years of potential spiritual growth wasted. How many people are like that?

>>42557972
>Many make the argument from all sides. That God will deliberately blind people for their arrogance and pride
my argument is more so, that we could take
>God created this world and universe with the intention of making a realm that is bind to physic rules, a world where things can Decay, a world where its creatures are made of flesh and can get hurt easily, basically he gifted us with the limitations we have, the limits and physic rules are the true gift, because these dont exist in the spiritual world, so by wishing to do magic or astral projection is the same as rejecting the objective this world was even build for.
to imply that God would hate religion and woudl only wants us to be reddit atheists that hate him, because that would be in character with flesh (ish , lets not get to cynical).

I think you can love and make the world love you , while still bringing your own spice at least.

is not like most coples are people fucking themselves.

>>42554504
God just don't want his creation to be their own god. Nothing deep.

>>42558116
but what if this physical material cosmos is just the work of demiurge? how do we know if this physical life is a test from any god and will we be rewarded by our hard work we put in here? either we chose this as a spiritual learning experience and we will come back with this new knowledge of what's it like being a human in heaven so we can be humble while still our soul is immortal and we can choose any life we want and get some enlightenment out of it but we could be here by force because of this whole demiurge economy we are trapped in

>>42554504
Same reason you wouldn't want your 5yo to be obsessed with guns and gun safety etc.
Weve seen what you do with things youre left responsible for.

>>42554504
Compel yourself in the name of Lord Jesus Christ to not concernyourself with these things. Only the gospel as it was guided to be written by The Holy Spirit should be followed the rest is at minimum most likely edited by the synagogue of Satan.

> Why would God forbid his followers to practice RV, astral projection, etc?

God doesn't do that. Power hungry entities that farm human loosh do that. And if you confuse them for God, oh well :3c

>>42554504
>the problem is that often when you pray to God for something it doesn't come
There are no guarantees with manifestation or astral projection either, but the costs of trying these as opposed to the costs of praying are very different. The spiritual posture people adopt for "freedom" is often what enslaves them.

>>42554504
Short answer; God didnt.

>>42554504
>Why would God forbid his followers to practice RV, astral projection, etc?
Merkabah mysticism is literally an ancient Jewish practice, there are theories that shamanistic/mystical practices influenced Paul (caught up in the third heaven etc.), Ezekiel etc. but of course they are theories

I don’t remember any Torah law forbidding astral projection, that’s just Protestant translation banning it because it falls under the umbrella of spooky occult stuff. You know that the context of the laws of the Torah is that these books were documents that were constantly changing over generations and generations, changed whenever the priests felt like banning a new thing or whenever some specific issue came up, that they were changed heavily from when they originally came before YHVH was exclusively worshiped by the Jewish people, that Moses wasn’t a real person? I am not an atheist here, I do believe the abrahamic religions worship God and not just a storm deity (even though YHVH was originally a storm deity, like Zeus or Jupiter or Thor, and if you understand that YHVH correlates to Jupiter then you may come to the gnosis that in His monotheistic form YHVH (ignoring the demiurgic cruel fire and brimstone version of him that fundamentalists believe in) represents coming into an understanding and relationship with God/monad/the All/the source etc. through the mind/wisdom), I believe in the legitimacy of the Bible as a (collection of) spiritual text(s) but boy you have to take it all in context and not face value

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>>42560482
Which is also why God is stereotypically represented as an old man with a beard, because YHVH is the final evolutionary stage of mankind if you will. The beard is associated with the priest caste, and authority, wisdom. Male because Wisdom/jupiter/expansion is an active masculine force. Old age, well because God is Ancient of Days, but it also a reminder of what we as humans will become and embody. To comprehend God, to be like God in comprehension and dissolution. The beginning and source of things is represented by the end point of the human cycle of life, very riddle of the sphinx.


YHVH is the comprehension of ‘God’ through the human mind, but the human mind cannot truly comprehend anything beyond itself. Which then provides a very interesting segway to Christianity….

>>42554504
Those who begin practice with these techniques are usually keen on communicating with an outside entity, which can either be good or bad depending on how it's handled.
I assume the stigma against mediumship, astral projection, and perhaps remote viewing (I don't recall RV ever being mentioned though) in the Bible has to do with the fact that entities can and will tailor their messages to deceive mediums looking to seek outside God or themselves.
Some people end up facing harassment, hallucinations, and paralysis episodes from these entities after contact.
Also the Bible has preached for manifestation, not against it.
>Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. (Mark 11:24)
>Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. (Hebrews 11:1)
>Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, “Move from here to there,” and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.' (Matthew 17:20)
Is this not essentially Law of Attraction? The same idea behind manifesting your reality is present in the Bible, and that is through faith and intent.
I assume that mediumship and divination is easily corruptible and deceiving to a spiritually non-discerning mind in most cases. (but not all, I don't have anything against it personally but I don't doubt it can be harmful either)

>>42554504
God wants us to explore our god given psychic powers and use them for good. The religious authorities fear it because it takes away their ability to be a parasite priest class

>>42559576
God gives you inceldom, satan gives you sex with hot women
I think i know which one im going to choose

Ps god and jebus dont exist, they are saturn in disguise luring you into a life denying mindset