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>>42554691
Previous thread(s):
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42462737/
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42438154/#42438154
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42480048/#42480048

I am fascinated by the similarities and links between Evangelical Pentecostalism, Voodoo, and those "light language" videos online.

Not exactly what you're talking about, probably, but this seemed like the thread.

Any one hear of the prophets. The ones from revelation 11. They go two by two per area? District?

What exactly is the difference between good and bad magic, anyway? Perhaps the question itself sounds un-Christian, but all I mean is if I pursue a supernatural ability just because I want it am I being Simon Magus? Is Sainthood and increasing closeness to God the only righteous way to earn abilities beyond what flesh provides?

>>42554741
Based.

>>42554741
It's part of it
In the end those are all "speaking in tongues" and spirit possesion, in vudou they have their lwo/lwa (don't remember) spirits who can posses someone during a ceremony, like how pentecostals want to be filled by the Holy Spirit
These traditions didn't exist in Medieval Christianity, they started with Enthusiasm present in some protestant groups, and through contact eith indigenous religions like the ones in Africa
>>42555413
Intent is part of it, like with practice, for example any magic dealing with demons is of course taboo
Replace the word magic with miracle, would it make sense to want to cause miracle because "you want to"? Miracles are a result of sanctify, saint produce miracles, not people who want to do them

>>42554741
You could probably list Franciscans and Carmelites too, although they are much more discreet (speaking Latin probably does that to you lol).
Voodoo/voudun/hoodoo probably wouldn't have developed if they had no contact with real, unadulterated, Catholicism... each day passes I gain more appreciation for Orthodox bros as they did not self-mutilate in order to win a pissing contest with Calvinists... also Orthodox priests always seem cheerful and they love watching movies (a vice I also have), meanwhile Catholi priests are like "hmm yeah I watched a movie... it was 1972... or 1973... can't recall what year"
Anyway I'm rambling, I guess I'm just happy that /ceg/ is online again.
May the Lord be with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJwCytcVHFU

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I had this dream that looked a lot like this picture over 16 years ago, I ain't going to lie it bothers me to this day

>>42556498
>>42557368
>>42557372

What are you trying to do here

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T8oEXPF9Uvs
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V1beyQ6BAK4
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/34ef_Xc0grQ

https://medium.com/@danharms_29771/review-the-enchiridion-paul-summers-young-edition-5fe8cd3ea57c
https://danharms.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/on-the-shelf-review-crossed-keys/

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https://thavmapub.com/2026/06/16/rethinking-words-magic-esoteric-occult-and-mystical/

>>42557031
NTA, but because of people answering my questions in these threads I started going to an Orthodox Church and it's been a great experience so far. So glad to see CEG is back. wew lad

Compel yourself in the name of Lord Jesus Christ to do everything perfectly. You will only most likely have to concern yourself with on judgement day not lying to God about what you have done before baptized or before compelling yourself.

Hi all, I want to get into Christian magic if that's a thing.
I admittedly haven't read the bible. So that's probably a good start. Any recommendations for translations? How many books should I read and what order? Or is it just the old and New Testament I need to worry about?
Thank you for your patience and input.

>>42559673
That's good to hear
>>42559771
The Bible is a collection of books, the Old Testament are all the books before Jesus, the New the ones after him
Either start at Genesis the first book, or start at the New Testament with the Gospel of Mark, the former is what most do then lose interest, usually after the story of Moses

I am sad that people don't read the Bible in Church, like they used to back in the time of manuscripts (and when not everybody knew how to read). That must have been cool. Just curl up in a corner and listen.

>>42554691
If YHVH was originally worshipped as a storm god, and if the caanite YHVH is equivalent to Jupiter/Zeus, and if Jupiter is Wisdom/the mind/expansion, and if YHVH is God comprehended through the human mind, and also if Enoch (a man) ascended to become metatron (the lesser YHVH), is metatron basically the caanite/storm/sky-father YHVH (that is the universal mind that comprehends God)?

Can we basically say metatron is Zeus?

>>42560626
I have no idea. The most respectful discussion about angels, demons, and saints I found in the Lord of Spirits podcast hosted by two Orthodox priests from the USA. You can ask them by email or voice mail or even call-in live...
They single-handedly made me "make peace" with Orthodoxy... and your questiom seems right up their alley.

I couldn't find a dedicated Christian or Eastern Orthodox thread on /lit/ or /his/, so I'll ask here.
What's the cheapest way to get a full set of the texts for the Eastern Orthodox divine office? Would it be to get the texts from the Melkites?

>>42554691
FUCK YOU FALSE CHRISTIAN DEMON.
BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.
DESIGNATED LOSER.

I am pretty sure that much of it is Platonized Homer, as in, the entire document is inspired by the Republic's discussion about censoring and rewriting poetry to produce an ideal society.

An interesting quick example is the Ransom of Hector. For context, Priam is a foreign king of Troy, and his firstborn son, Hector, has been killed by Achilles.
>Swift Achilles finished. Then, jumping up, he killed a white-fleeced sheep. His companions skinned it, then prepared the meat, slicing it skilfully and putting it on spits. They cooked it carefully, then pulled spits from the pieces. Taking bread, Automedon set it in fine baskets on the table.
A meal of SHEEP and BREAD
>Old man, you’re not expecting any harm, as you sleep like this among your enemies, since Achilles spared your life.
>Hermes spoke. At his words, the old man grew afraid. He woke up the herald. Hermes harnessed mules and horses, then guided them himself quickly through the camp, attracting no attention.
Despite the meal, QUICK ESCAPE DUE TO DANGER
>But when they reached the ford
across the swirling river Xanthus,
>She saw her father standing in his chariot, together with his herald, the town crier. In the mule cart she saw the corpse lying on the bier. With a scream, Cassandra cried out to all the city:
Escape means CROSSING A RIVER WITH DIVINE HELP. Afterwards, a female prophetess sings.

The main Platonic censorship motif here is from Republic III
>Neither will we believe or acknowledge Achilles himself to have been such a lover of money that he took Agamemnon's gifts, or that when he had received payment he restored the dead body of Hector, but that without payment he was unwilling to do so.

Moses does not return the body of the Foreign King's Dead Firstborn, nor does he dishonor it. It just isn't a factor. Yet, the transfer of gold from the party that suffered death to the party associated with the killing does happen, with the Hebrews taking Egyptian gold with them.

>>42560892
>It
The Pentateuch, rather. Bad edit on my part. I have mostly lost motivation to work on the project, given my inability to get meaningful academic or interested layperson attention, but this is a rabbit hole anyone interested can go down. For example, the entire Exodus narrative is a play on the Allegory of the Cave, complete with chained prisoners, fire associated with speaking and a difficult ascent upwards towards the light.

The Pentateuch as we know it was likely composed at the Library of Alexandria by a student well-educated in Plato and greek poetry, and its purpose was to manifest Israel as the Republic.

>>42560901
BETA FAGGOT.
OVERTHINKING DEMON.
DESIGNATED LOSER.
BURN IN HELL.

>>42560901
Interesting. I won't subscribe to it, but you reminded me of the changing of the names of rival heroes, kings, or tribes (in order to humiliate them), which is a sad fact. Without the Essenes and Jesus probably the Bible probably wouldn't have survived for long...

>>42560626
The God of the Bible wasn't originally a storm god, that's a hypothesis based on some lines in the Old Testament, there is no other evidence and the origin of YHWH is a mystery, Baal Hadad is the strom god of the Canaanites, whereas God tells Moses that before he revealed himself to Moses as YHWH, he revealed himself to those before him (Abraham, Issac, Jacob) as El Elyon, God most hight
Enoch isn't Metatron, that's a later Jewish tradition postdating Christianity and comes from 3 Enoch, Metatron as a concept is supposed to compete with and be a """Jewish Jesus"""

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I'm glad to see this thread back on the catalog. I look forward to seeing it here as the summer solstice and the Nativity of Saint John the Baptist approach.

Bump

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Is anyone here familiar with the IDMR?
https://idmr.net/

>>42564987
No. Interesting diagram but man kinda gets lost in it. Many such cases. I love thinking so I can reconize somebody who thinks so much (especially with limited data). Humility is not an obligation, it's a priviledge.

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sometimes when i'm done with a really intense prayer session i throw up and it feels really embarrassing.

>>42566728
Do you really want to throw up? The ratio human-to-jeet across all boards is probably less than 1:100

>>42555413
God is the source of all goodness, so white magic happens naturally when you align yourself to the will of God. When you do daily prayers, Psalms and virtuous works, you will see God working in your life and mini-miracles. Your spiritual awareness may increase so that you realize the presence of angels after your prayers that are working small daily blessings into your life.
Sometimes it is good for the soul to go through trials and sufferings, so its not going to look like ego-based winnings, but more like spreading love, peace and goodness into the lifes of those you interact with.

Black magic draws its power from infernal sources and work again the Divine Will.

The closer you draw to God with prayers and scripture studies, the more your material desires will be stripped away, and as you taste the sweetness of heaven, you will seek only heaven, thus destroying any desires for black magic. You will realize that God provides exactly what is good for you, and most often that is a life of simplicity.

Spiritual powers like clairvoyance will open naturally as you continue on your spiritual path - but God gives you only what is good rather than giving an ego satisfying blessing that would lead to spiritual retrogradation

Philokalia: It is easier to attain the things that are good for the soul, such as poverty and humility and celibacy, than the things that are bad for the soul such as wealth, honor and fornication

>>42567719
what are you talking about? i'm saying that I did, not that i wanted to.

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>>42560626
I dont agree with most of your correspondences.
Shabtai = Saturn, whereas Shabbat is Saturn's holy day.

Metratron is an angel which is different from a planetary deity. For example there many be billions of angels of Saturn forming many different communities, and Metratron would be the name of one community.

Zues which is Jupiter/Indra, does not have the same energies as Metratron, which has white light energy of the akasha or perhaps Keter.

>>42569392
Seems like you are one of them alright.

>>42569675
imagine being a gentile and being racist
you stupid or something?

>>42569344
>le poverty is le good
>le sexlessness is le good
If everyone was in poverty and sexless, humanity would *go extinct*, so no, those are not "good for the soul".

>>42570131
Have you read the Bible at all, or any of the writings of the saints?

Or maybe you're an easy believer protestant boomer addicted to greed and lust, who thinks that these are the epitome of life

>>42570131
1. Poverty doesn't actually mean lacking ownership over property, it means more strictly not being attached to your property. (Of course, there are examples of poverty being taken to the extreme, such as in St. Francis of Assisi)

2. Celibacy doesn't mean never having sex ever in your entire life, it means having the discipline to not fall in to lust for recreational sex outside marriage. (Again, there is examples of Chastity being taken to the extreme, such as in the example of Christ Himself)

Poverty and celibacy are good for the soul because they're necessary for the virtues which lead to our moral development, the esoteric purpose of human life. Virtues are what enable the true self, or higher nature, to command the lower nature, or animal self.

We do not bring anything from earthly life after death, only that which we have developed in the soul. Whether that be virtues, or vices.

It does occur that many individuals are unable to attain all these virtues in one lifetime, and it is a necessity that they undergo great vices, such as greed and lust so they may suffer the consequences of these attachments and garner that material which may one day be transformed into virtue, whether it be in the current lifetime or the next. Dr. Rudolf Steiner explains this well in his Anthroposophical system, as do many other authors.

God bless!