Just as the title says. I wish Christianity had its own board since this place has a lot of faiths & scoffers.Reason why I made this thread is I’ve watched a couple NDE videos from the Christian perspective on YouTube & it’s pretty frightening how Selena the singer & Michael Jackson are allegedly in Hell over small personal flaws they hadn’t had the chance to repent of despite being vocal about being believers. You could have fame & give to those less fortunate & believe in what Christ did for you & still end up in Hell because of a semantic. How do you rationalize this belief?
>>42566460When 1/3(33.3%) of angels left heaven 2/3rd(66.6%) remained...its all jewish bullshit
>>42566460It's terrible what the Church did to Christianity in terms of hell. It causes a lot of absolutely unnecessary suffering in many people due to the literal, superstitious belief in "hell" or "eternal suffering". Also when you see a Christian as a non Christian it's easy to think that "well, since I don't share the same dogma as him/her, him/her thinks I'll be suffering for eternity in a lake of fire, very nice".YES there is hell and it's right here when you create suffering.NO the nonsense about an eternal lake of fire is just nonsense.NDE experiences are not that reliable. They are like dreams, you can't take dreams literally.
>>42566460I don't believe in a permanent Hell for most people living today. Those who reject God in the end will go there or possibly be annihilated, the Psalms actually imply the latter about unrepentant souls at the end. Plato lists a variety of sins he believed would lead to permanent stays in Hades unless their victim forgives them. Scripture has a longer list, many of which are wholly or primarily sins against God, but God says he forgives your sins when you repent of them and become a believer. The deuterocanon also has prayers for the dead, which implies Purgatory or a similar doctrine.
>>42566535Very interesting perspective, thanks for sharing.
>>42566535How do you even reject God? God is all there is. Or do you mean the concept of God? That's just a concept, not God itself.
>>42566460>small personal flawsBoth signed their soul over to Lucifer with their blood. Likely participated in sacrificial rituals, pedophilia and potential cannibalism as it is with these freemason Kabbalist types.Regardless if they’ve done some good in their life, the Bible says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23). No one is good enough on their own accord to go to heaven.Romans 3:10-12As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.The punishment for our sin is hell. Don’t agree? Well God says his ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are not our thoughts (Isaiah 55:6). God is perfect and just. We are the flawed ones, see above.The good news is that God loved us enough to shed his blood and die on the cross for us, as the lamb for the whole world. He was buried and rose again the third day, defeating death so we may live forever with him. That is the gospel found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.Going to heaven is by God’s grace through our faith (Ephesians 2:8). Not by your works as it is with every worldly religion, including counterfeit “Christianity”. Have faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for remission of sins. Call on the Lord Jesus and be born again, with the Holy Spirit in you and a renewed mind. It’s the only way to heaven.
>>42566460no idea here you got this from but watch or read more NDEs to get a sense of what is really going on, whoever saw jackson in hell saw his version of jackson and for whatever reason he needed to see that probably to course correct his own life. the real soul of jackson is somewhere perhaps being another life right now or some other time.>>42566600word salad that resonates with retards with a guilt complex. christianity has done irreversible damage to spiritual discourse
>>42566553You're welcome.>>42566556I'm a theist, not a pantheist, and I do believe in God and his laws. Jesus cautions against Pharisaism but repeatedly reaffirmed the moral law of the Old Testament.
>>42566600Baseless accusations are a form of bearing false witness.
>>42566673God is all there is or maybe I should say all there is God, think about it as God as a computer program where everything runs inside, or an OS.God creates all these forms (gods, humans, animals, planets etc.) to be able for Itself to to experience Itself.The Moral Laws are deeper than just dogmatic things to follow, they are things in themselves.
>>42566687I would say God is within all, which is a traditional Christian belief, but you can also reject the moral laws God's laid out. Which are also in the hearts of nearly everyone, bar possibly totally debased people. This includes, if you don't have a full preterist approach to biblical prophecy (which makes no sense to me considering it's describing apocalyptic events and a new earth at the end), rejecting God himself in the end which scripture says many will do. In the final generation it actually says most.
>>42566703This should say everyone to varying degrees, I don't believe we have equal access to them. That would clash with the saved-unsaved distinction (the heart of the New Testament) and the obvious fact that some people have more moral awareness than others.
>>42566678If you don’t know that Selena and Michael Jackson worshipped Lucifer, you are not even close to being on a plane of base reality.
>>42566703>>42566711I will reveal you the Occult Secret behind the Pentagram, the top most "point" which is Spirit is Shin; so the four elements (basically the manifest world) is Tetragrammaton:Yod (י) – FireFirst Heh (ה) – WaterVav (ו) – AirFinal Heh (ה) – Earth>YHVHBut when you add Shin to it becomes Pentagrammaton:>YHShVHOr Yeheshuah or Jesus.
>>42566729Should add that I was referring to the picture >>42566687 here
>>42566460I don't think feeric tales are real
>>42566460>How do you rationalize this belief?I not believe a random testimony, but even if I did it would be a fool's errand to attempt rationalizing it.
>>42566460Those NDEs are fake. Bad people has been spreading fake NDEs to make $$$ on youtube.
>>42566460MJ faked his death. Next!
>>42567153Exactly this. Christians operate on a level of fear, otherwise OP wouldn't be binging videos of celebrities in Hell
>>42566460>I wish Christianity had its own boardNothing stops you guys to run a Christianity general and keep the topic there (but we all know that you like to be annoying everywhere else, in threads about gnosticism, buddhism, new-age, aliens etc, and wouldn't stay in your general).
When I was younger I had an NDE, then later in life I had seizures, and the two were very similar from a first-person perspective. It was as if all of my memories were experienced in a singular instant alongside a gravity-like pulling of my attention. I was in a space that looked and felt like volumetric television static, painfully pulsating in intensity as if that were the only gradient along which I had free will. When it ended, there were waves of echos that faded gradually.This deeply impacted my beliefs about the afterlife. To summarize: death seems to be asymptotic, infinitely approached but never reached. This complements the presumptive atemporality of heaven.
>>42566600>Both signed their soul over to Lucifer with their bloodYeah, I'm sure Michael Jackson sold his soul to the devil at 10 years old or whenever he became famous. God you people are fucking insufferable and need to be put down like rabid dogs
if you still think Lucifer is le bad guy, you are not even close to being on a plane of base reality.
>>42568928meant for >>42566720
