>>42568360
Modern "israel" aren't even the same people, they're imposters.

Revelation 3:9
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
Revelation 2:9
“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

>>42568395
A huge number of modern day issues arise from people not understanding this btw

>>42568395
If Jesus Christ had never come i wish God had made me King i would have been just and pure with humanity but Jesus Christ is the only King we should follow now my warning to you Israel accept Jesus into your hearts or God curse will remain with you

>>42568401
Heaps of people know it but get kickbacks from supporting the cult.
Plus they get to moral grandstand and shut down others by holding up the pretense.

>>42568360
>a Kingdom established by God to be a holy and pure nation
So God intended it to be holy and pure...
>but they became corrupt
Then God is fallible.
An omniscient god would not make mistakes like this. His pure nation would remain pure forever

>>42568455
That's my entire issue with Abrahamic religions. An omniscient God would, prior to creating the universe, know every choice of everyone who would ever live. Beyond invalidating free will, it makes no sense to judge people under that framework.
Either God isn't omniscient, chooses to not peek at our futures, or is literally insane.
It's like if I were write a book and get mad at the characters for their actions in the story, expecting a different outcome as I read my own words.

>>42568523
God gives Humans the freedom to make decisions he wants Humans to follow him according to their free will he wants all of Humanity to be pure like Anime Girls witn no Sin we are Superior to Angels in God eyes

>>42568360
Fairy tales

The Joos are a cancerous scourge upon the earth And humanity will not know peace l until they are 6million% eradicated from this world.
TKD is the only solution.

>>42568541
>God gives Humans the freedom to make decisions
Anon, we've been over this so many times and have thought about this so much longer and in greater depth than you.
If God is omniscient, all future decisions are known ones and there is no chance for humans to make any unexpected decisions. For God, the universe plays out exactly as he knew it would at the beginning of time. And given that he is the creator, he is the one who designed it to play out like this.

But this is way beyond your care or understanding.
So I'll focus on something far more simple: If God is omniscient, he wouldn't have failed to make the jews into a pure and holy race. he would have just succeeded.
Since he didn't, he's not omniscient since an omniscient being literally cannot fail or make mistakes or experience even a single unforeseen event.

>>42568568
Fairy Tales is Dinosaurs and Aliens Freemasonry fears God

>>42568678
But this isn't true. Run a simulation of your choosing that involves free choice and I can guarantee the outcome is different to what you believed it would be. Despite you being the creator, all of your calculations, and allegedly knowing the outcome before you ever ran it.

>>42568738
Okay. Let's do this then

Answer the question so we can learn about what omniscient means

You are omniscient. You created a man. You speak to them man.
You can choose your words.
You know that if you say "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” you guarantee that he does.
You have 99,999,999,999,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 different choices of words you could say that lead to him NOT eating the magical tree fruit.
But you choose the first option knowing with perfect knowledge that it leads to him eating the fruit.

Okay? With me so far?
if X then Y
Get it?
Is there ANYTHING you don't understand so far?

If X then Y
If you say X, Adam will do Y (eat the fruit)
This is a known fact to you.
Are you still with me?
Known = WILL HAPPEN
Fact = WILL HAPPEN
Will happen = no other potential fates may occur since you're omniscient and thus know that all other options will NOT be chosen

Okay? Still following, buddy?

Okay, so if you do X, Y >>>>>>WILL HAPPEN<<<<<
What happens when you do X, anon? Can you tell me?

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>>42568738
>>42568752

>>42568523
Eh, but that is just because God exists outside of linear time so he can see everything simultaneously

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>>42568455
>ineffable
>unknowable
>intangible
>omnipotent

Yeah well he’s not real because he doesn’t make sense from the perspective of my semantics based arguments

Hehe check mate theists

>>42568678
Your argument hinges on the erroneous belief that God cares more about the temporary fleeting creation than man’s soul.

All creation juts light and sound. Frequency vibrating to give the illusion of solid matter and tangible existence. All of Israel, Jerusalem, Rome all the kingdoms all the nations all are mere frequency and ash and dust. The only true value lies in man’s soul which gains even more value for itself through experiencing all these things.

This is where Gods priorities are. The soul navigating the light-frequency world in order to choose for itself and understand itself.

God doesn’t give a fuck about specific nations and their politics or land or whatever it’s all just a tool.

Even the biblical Israel in a state of its full glory as it was meant to be is a but a mere pittance compared to the human soul inside of even the lowest man.

>>42568821
>frogposting
>no arguements
For real, learn to read
Also no, i don't remember consenting for this dhit life

>>42568978
There was an argument. It was that you thinking you could disprove God through semantic trickery is retarded.

>learn to read
Take your own advice

>>42568839
>the erroneous belief that God cares more about the temporary fleeting creation than man’s soul.
No. My argument is stating the fact that if you know something will happen, it will happen.
You seem to have failed to read what i wrote

>This is where Gods priorities are.
Hey how do you know so much about God's mind? Where'd you get this knowledge? Show us how you logically came to this conclusion. I really despise people so arrogant that they just project their egos onto God. Unless it's written down, anything you say about God's mind is just your self absorbed head cannon.

>God cares about people, not nations
Firstly,
>>The Kingdom of Israel was once a Kingdom established by God to be a holy and pure nation
Deal with the subject matter.
Secondly, nations and kingdoms are made of people.

>>42568360
Please fuck off and die, bot.

>>42569025
God knows only possibilities as the creation he made is a series of offerings of choices which lead to different potentials and possibilities. He knows all potentials and possibilities but not what we would choose. He knows all potential endings and routes for us but not the one we would pick.

>nations are made of people
Nations are made of bodies which weaken tire grow old sick and die and are reborn. As the nations themselves also grow old, sick and die and are reborn. Neither are of any real consequence.

>show us how you logically
Because the earth and its contents its bodies, its animals, its nations , politics, philosophy are all fleeting and temporary. All just tools for the use of man’s soul to express itself and experience itself.

It is only logical that only that which is eternal and real, the soul, is inherently superior to that which is only temporary and illusion made up of vibrating light.

All your beloved philosophies, countries, rules, dogma, likes, dislikes, art, ideologies, bodies are all just dust and ash and will return to dust and ash. Why would God care about that which is dust and ash and doomed for dissolution?

The priorities reside in that which is eternal and the true creation.

>>42569089
>He knows all potentials and possibilities but not what we would choose.
This means that God lacks knowledge of decisions and thus isn't omniscient.
In otherwords, God does X but doesn't know what the outcome will be. He lacks future knowledge.
This makes Revelations a heretical book since it is based on predeterminism.

>Nations are made of bodies
Bodies are people and people are souls.
nations = people
An omniscient god wouldn't choose the wrong nation to favor...
But you admitted that your god lacks omniscience. Thus, you accept that your god is fallible and can make mistakes.

>>42569106
I ,as a grown man, hold at all times the ability to beat up 5th graders.
But I don’t,I could, but I don’t for their sake.
Just because I don’t beat up 5th graders doesn’t mean I can’t.
Sometime I hold back my power for their sake. I could beat up the kids and prove my power but why? What good would that do? Understand better now?


>people are souls
No. People are meat bags that operate from conditioned behaviors and beliefs. The soul watches. The body and the belief, behavior of the people are temporary and of little real consequence.

>you admitted your God lacks omniscience

He lacks nothing because the very concept of having or lacking originated from him. He does not truly lack just as I dont lack the ability to beat up 5th graders. Only a compassionate self restraint for the good of the child.

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>>42568360
God is the wave; electromagnetic and vibrational. Good, bad, joker, saint, etc. He is the archetypes of Diogenes and Christ at the same time. It's not that "nothing matters" it's that everything matters. God is all 12 of the zodiac, father, son, holy spirit, all light on the spectrum. Fuck the demiurge.

>>42568455
Free will bro

>>42569891
Already went over this. >>42568752 >>42568757

>>42569190
>the ability to beat up 5th graders.
>But I don’t,
yes or no, will you beat up a 5th grader today?
No. You will not.
An omniscient being KNOWS that you will not. Therefore, you lack the true ability to choose to do so. You will never choose to, you can never choose to because if you could choose to beat up a kid, that would prove that the omniscient being is fallible and thus, not omniscient.
So long as we suppose that the omniscient being is omniscient, your free will is an illusion.

I have a very hard time sympathizing with your inability to grasp this concept because it is very obvious.

>He lacks nothing
You literally just established that he can make mistakes and lacks knowledge of outcomes.

>>42568455
Doesn't mean the real God isn't, just the christian god. There is a true God. One that doesn't allow for dissent. Well, they built this hell to make you submit. One day you will meet them, and you will know they never made a single mistake.

>>42568799
So can God see who will sin, who will repent, who will accept Him, and who won't? He's like a 3D being looking at stick figures. So why does God get angry over things that He always knew about? It doesn't make sense.

Going back to my book analogy, yes, you can know the plot and feel bad about what you know will happen, but it's a completely different matter to act like there was ever a chance that things would turn out differently. And yet read Revelation and the multitude of ways that God destroys His creation before He allows eternal peace. It's not even that he scours everything from the world. He has the stars falling, the mountains crumble, floods, burning rain, plagues, legions of demons and their mortal soldiers killing indiscriminately, more meteorites, more earthquakes. Like, seriously. Why torture the world like that? That's the stuff I used to do when I played Sim City 2000.

>"Hurhurhur time for a tornado! I'm gonna flood em now! ALIENS lol"

And I add the demon armies to the list because at this point, He's clearly taking direct action with all the other calamities. Yet He allows these beasts to rise and allows New Babylon to form and allows the armies of the antichrist to put a third of humanity to the sword. Not like He stops at humanity either. He decides to wipe out all sea and plantlife too. The hell is wrong with Him?

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>>42570042
You're pretty much the definition of this image. Hopefully you understand, but you probably never will.

>>42571159
>Doesn't mean the real God isn't, just the christian god.
There are 1000 reasons why this is not true. The Christian god is hundreds of contradictions that cancel each other out. This is just one of them. You cannot have an omniscient deity who also makes mistakes or creates a world he doesn't fully approve of.

>they built this hell to make you submit
I love how you need to absolve Yahweh of guilt for making Hell by using left wing "they/them" language for God. Who built Hell? Yahweh did.
If your religion is so shitty that you need to threaten people with torture if they don't join it, that's a sign that your philosophy is terrible.

>>42571182
The reason why you're upset is because you see that what I'm saying is logically consistent in a way that your religion will never be. I think on a way higher plain than you do and it makes you angry.

This is why you and thousands of other Christians can never argue against me, you only insult. Insults are sub 100 IQ responses from people who were BTFO'd before you even posted

I’m convinced that the fedora meme was a psyop to keep intelligent nerds on the Abrahamic plantation

>>42573703
The fedora meme is the equivalent of a 3 year old making fart noises. No one changes his mind after hearing a fart from an idiot.

>>42573756
idk man, young people usually have weak faith anyway so the fedora meme might have been just enough to push them over the threshold for conforming to social pressures

>>42573771
Yeah but that only works on very impressionable teens.
Overall, there is an upward trend away from Christianity every year because people see how Christians just lack answers for life's questions. Hence the farting noises instead of arguments.

>>42573796
There are more christians now than ever before in history, conveniently right when Israel’s eschatological show starts popping off

>>42573811
Not in countries that matter. Most Christians are African or Mexican. White people are less and less religious every year.

>>42573756
You can spout prepackaged rhetoric the atheists have been using for the last 3000 years well enough. But are you actually intelligent? Can you create a new argument? The fedora meme is a meme because the fedoras based their entire personality on discovering a few ready-made prepackaged arguments and going around using them on everyone who will listen as a means to attempt to intellectually dominate your opppnoent bexuae you think nobody has found a counter to the “God is omniscient/free will is illusion” one you employed here. That’s not new you didn’t discover anything new that’s been around for thousands of years .

Actually disbelieve in God or simply sided with whomewevr you believe will give you the tools to dominate your opponent intellectually? Following an ideology that asks you help others doesn’t really give you the chance for that huh?

For the record God does not need to be anything to be God. He does not need to fit a specific criteria. He can be a paradox and a contradiction. Bexuae you’ve yet to understand what God means. Only a form and shape you have given and defined yourself so you can argue against (yourself lol)

>>42573576
God is undefinable because he is the source of the concept of definition itself.

Your argument relies too heavily on attacking the common religious notions of God which for the sake of the common man was given form and shape and “definition” as to aid his understanding. You took this to mean that these were Gods definite attributes and characteristics. The common man needs certain guideposts certain relatability for understanding. All respected scholars only say of God that he is indefinable and unknowable. And that is correct.

You don’t argue against God. You only argue against a character created for the common man’s convenience. You’re not clever by saying God is fallible because he won’t stop evil. You just betray your own ignorance by showing us you don’t truly understand what evil is. Or what “evil” is fo its reason for existence. And no it’s notfor soul lessons or whatever.

Thinking you disproved the source of all being with pathetic and simple linguistic trickery is pure hubris. God gave you all that.

He gave you your intellect. He gave you your desire to question. There is only you and you only have your power of choice. Everything else is God including your thoughts and feelings. All gifts from the lord to allow you the opportunity to experience and make choices and see what you can do.

Even now Godnworks through you instilling in you a desire to break down the religious one’s beliefs because you, in a weird sense of brotherhood, desire that they let go of what you believe to be outdated and harmful mindsets so that the humanity may reach higher higher potentials as a whole.

>>42573973
Virtually all arguments put to Christians causes Christianity to unravel. Christians have no arguments, so you need to resort to making fart noises and running away.

>ready-made prepackaged arguments
That describes Christianity and the Bible.
Omniscience means that there is no free will. You have had 2000 years to respond to this and cannot.
All you do is get upset and start making fart noises to shut down the debate.

If you held genuine belief that God would protect you or that meeting god was good, you wouldn't be afraid of death. You'd want to die.
You cannot respond to this. You tried for 2000 years but cannot come up with one reasonable explanation for your fear of doing what you say you want to do.

>bexuae you think nobody has found a counter to the “God is omniscient/free will is illusion” one you employed here.
Yeah. No one has any counter to this because omniscience = known actions which nullifies free will.
>That’s not new
Yeah, it's been 2000 years and you have no response.

\>He does not need to fit a specific criteria
Translation
>I am intellectually dishonest so, like all con artists, I need to keep things as vague as possible or else I get BTFO'd
Yes. I know. That's why you get BTFO'd
Only a con artist needs to keep his philosophy intentionally vague. Every time you step out of the shadows, you get destroyed.

>He can be a paradox and a contradiction
Contradiction = not real.

>you’ve yet to understand what God means.
Translation
>I am an arrogant prick who thinks I know everything about the universe because... uh... because said so,
That is arrogance.
Only an arrogant person makes claims about the nature of God without proof.

>>42574013
>God is undefinable because if I define God, people call me out on my contradictions and I get BTFO'd

>the source of the concept of definition itself.
Meaningless wordsalad.
You cannot define your demon because defining it got you BTFO'd many times in the past and you flee from arguing on fair terms.

>You don’t argue against God
Correct.
I argue against you. The arrogant pricks who projected yourselves onto God and tell God who he is and what he thinks.

>>42574268
You are not clever with your frozen dinner pre made arguments by much superior minds to yourself. You’re nothing more than an intellectual cocksleeve.

You project and assume your own fear of death onto me. Fear of death is the same as fear of anything. Illusion. Empty words in my head and a vibrating sensation of feeling in my body nothing more. There is no need for fear.

Where was your mind in all this exchange? Why are you fixated on projecting your need to dismantle Christian thought unto me. The Christian God you dislike so much is a character to teach the common man the ways of realitys workings though archetypal symbolism. The God used in the Old Testament an anthropomorphic stand in for the workings of the system of realty that the one God created. The bible simply a manual for navigating reality to the benefit of the reader useing symbolism.

I brought you knowledge of things as they are so you may see better but you cant let go of your obsession with taking down the low hanging fruit of the part of religious thought specially currated for the underdeveloped mind of the common man.

The fact that your mind is also stuck in the muck arguing over shadows with the common rube tells all I need about you and should be all you needed to know about yourself.

TLDR
You’re dumb lol. you don’t care about truth or knowledge and only care bout “beating” your enemies intellectually while simultaneously degrading yourself.

>>42574274

I told you you cannot disprove the “source of being” with semantic trickery. Your argument relies on the assumption that both of us have the same definition of God where you believe he must be infallible or omnipotent or any other words you deem you must be true for that entity to be God. Conceit. Delusion. Arrogance.

Those words are meaningless in reality and are only given meaning though human perception. God is the source of the concept of omnipotence. God is the source of the concept of his needing to be omnipotent to be God.

God is the source of your desire to dismantle Christian thought and God is the source of the smug sense of satisfaction you feel when you employ your(?) frozen dinner arguments.

My “definition” of God is he is simply point zero. The center of the circle where all things originate from. The source of all concepts and ideas. The source of both good and evil. The architect of reality potentials. Himself without character or attribute but all characteristics and attributes are within him.

In reality there is no such things as being fallible or infallible. Perfect or imperfect. Inherently meaningless.

God simply is and does what he pleases.

>arrogant speaking for God

Me speaking kind words and spreading understanding of his works for God is of better standing than you insulting him.

Though the “him” your insulting is a character made for less intelligent laypeople to obtain certain subconscious understandings and graspings of reality thought literary and archtypal symbolism.

You use on frozen dinner arguments on a literary device meant for common people. What a clown you are.

>Hurrr god don’t stop evil so he fallible and not god duirrr

Gods the source of the words in your mind when you say that. God is the source of the feeling you get when it’s said. God is the source of the imagined projected enemy in your mind when you think that.

All for you to understand yourself better.

>>42574268
NTA but the guy who are arguing with doesn't seem to be Christian? Or at least doesn't fit traditional Nicene Christianity which spawned orthodox, protestant and catholic branches. His position seems reasonable: the universe itself is God which doesn't care about dogma, doctrines, philosophy, definitions, concepts, material phenomena or identity, it is everything and it is nothing. This doesn't seem to be the mainstream Christian perspective; this is more of a Gnostic or Advaita Vedanta so Idk why you are calling him Christian.

>>42574381
So I will ask you a question to clarify your position. Is your position that the Christian god is merely an aspect, a perspective to describe something that is totality and that all religions and philosophies are merely shadows of the true Ein Soph/Brahman/Monad?