Okay, so what are we supposed to? There are thousands of religions out there and you're telling me that only one of them is correct? And that if I choose the wrong one that I'll end up in eternal torture? It feels like playing minesweeper, doesn't it? How am I supposed to know whether it's Islam or Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism or et cetera, et cetera. The list goes on. Furthermore, let's say that I chose Christianity. Well how do I know whether to be Catholic or Protestant or Evangelical or Jehovah or Orthodox, what do I do?! Can I not just be a decent human being by being kind to others, not doing any harm, living in harmony with nature, praying to God, hoping for forgiveness, being grateful, giving away money to charity, staying away from evil? Isn't that enough, guys? I mean this whole thing is just.. a mess..
Who can speak to limits on God's mercy in the matter of salvation of souls. There is only one sure path to repentance and grace though, may the Lord grant you wisdom in seeking the truth.
>>42570204>How am I supposed to know whether it's Islam or Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism or et cetera, et ceteraAsk yourself what happens when you leave the religion. In Islam, they'll murder you. In Buddhism, they'll kick you out and tell you that you'll suffer forever. Hindu? Step out of your caste, and it's over. In Christianity, God actively pursues you, forgives you, and keeps trying to win you back to his side.>Let's say that I chose Christianity. Well, how do I know whether to be Catholic or Protestant or Evangelical or Jehovah or Orthodox, what do I do?! Another bonus of Christianity is that it doesn't really matter which church you go to - you don't earn or purchase your salvation, and the expectation was always for you to come short.That doesn't matter. God came down as a man and offered you salvation freely; all you need to do is accept it.>Can I not just be a decent human being [...]? Isn't that enough, guys?Praying to God means a relationship with him; that's what he wants. But, for those who do not even do that much, you'd ask yourself - would you let a stranger into your home for all eternity? I can't imagine so, especially if they rejected you their whole life.Hell is what is asked for; it's not a punishment.Are you infallible? Can you accept that maybe the person who created everything, knows everything, sees the future perfectly, and can be everywhere at once, might know right from wrong better than you do? It's an obvious yes. We're small, greedy, and we get distracted easily. There is no shame in admitting you have a problem.>praying to God, hoping for forgiveness, being gratefulAsk for forgiveness. Ask for mercy. They will be given, but not always right away or in the way you expect. Asking is the only requirement. Sounds like you're already on the right track, anon. And it sounds like you already know the answer.Have faith. Our Father loves you. He's waiting for you.
>>42570298Christianity isn't an exception. There are huge consequences for leaving in this life and supposedly the next.T. Ex-Christian
>>42570298>ChristianityNothing of that happens
>>42570224>The whole OP is extremely wrong and asserts a lot of mistakesSuch as?>Actually research religions before making this opLet me guess. You think the "One True Religion"tm is self evidently true which means OPs uncertainty is simply a result of not reading the OTR's sacred texts hard enough?
>>42570305Point to where God says to kill people for having doubts or leaving the faith. Go ahead.If you have issues with people, or if they have issues with you, that's fine. That's normal. They're fallible. Don't confuse the actions of the sick with the actions of the Doctor.>There are huge consequences for leaving in this life and supposedly the next.You tell Him "I don't want your salvation, shove it!" What else would you expect to happen when he gives you what you've asked for?Get over yourself.
>>42570204People are just going to say the one they like or makes sense to them is the correct one, even if the one they like contains things that make no sense. Religions usually demand their followers reject all other religions, so you're never going to get a real answer from a religious person. And an atheist is just going to say they're all wrong, which could also be wrong.
>>42570336The choices are narrowed if you're not stubbornly retarded or brown anyway.
>>42570298I don't know if the Christian God seeming nicer than the others to you proves it's real and the others are fake. I don't think there's any rule that says if there is a god he must be nice. He could be a jerk, or just not care, or have any other kind of personality
>>42570330>Point to where God says to kill people for having doubts or leaving the faith. Go ahead."But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”-Luke 19:27Read it and weep bitch. Also nice moving of the goalposts to "killed for leaving the faith", when social consequences were mentioned for Buddhism and Hinduism.
>>42570388>Christian God seeming nicer than the othersChecked but he literally isn't nicer than others
>>42570204you don't need to worry because they're all fake and gay. problem solved. ez
>>42570666Checked....
>>42570204The first three of the picture are objectively the most mental illness-inducing ones. Evaluate the others to your heart's content.
>>42570330Point is that you'll burn in Hell for leaving.>In Buddhism, they'll kick you out and tell you that you'll suffer forever.Literally no difference at all.
>>42570204>Can I not just be a decent human being by being kind to others, not doing any harm, living in harmony with nature, praying to God, hoping for forgiveness, being grateful, giving away money to charity, staying away from evilThat makes you a better human than the majority of religious leaders so you should stop worrying.
>>42570204>only one of them is correct?Ironically, none of them seem correct
>>42571060Yea he can't play the "hell isn't a punishment, it's a choice" card and then yell at Buddhists for telling people they won't escape Samsara if they don't become enlightened. By his logic people are choosing not to be enlightened, it isn't a punishment to keep people in line. It also isn't eternal as in a future incarnation someone may become enlightened, unlike Christianity.I think they are both bullshit but anon needs to recognize his hypocrisy.
read any/ all of them , but as soon as you come across any non-omniscient behavior in the script.. throw it out the window. sadly they are all full of it , flawed gods conjured by flawed human being
>>42570204>Can I not just be a decent human being Your entire concept of what that even means is shaped by religion even if you aren't consciously aware of it's influence. atheist saints like dawkins got traumatized by this reality when they started interacting more with other cultures.
>>42570589That verse is cherry picked from a parable.It’s a story about Christ’s returning judgment. The king (a nobleman who returns and gains royal power) who commands the death is allegory for damnation of those who reject Christ on His return. Not a command literally telling people to go out and kill people who leave Christianity.
>>42571556Because religions wrote about being a decent person doesn't mean they invented being a decent person. Humans have been around far longer than religion. I'm pretty sure cavemen would have understood being a jerk to everyone would have been counter-productive in their societies and being nice kept people happy
>>42572526the misguided theory you're advocating collapsed so completely under multiculturalism that it's most vocal advocates started calling themselves "culturally christian".
>>42572481Kek, if it's an allegory for the last judgement why doesn't the King himself kill those who don't submit? No the King asks his subjects (I.E Christians) to kill those who don't submit. Granted modern Christians don't interpret it that way, which is of course a good thing but it's pure cope, Jesus himself called for his followers to kill unbelievers.
>>42572726Only in the face of an even more evil Abrahamic religion (Islam) did Atheists start saying that.
>>42570204First, religion isn't democracy, more believer doesn't mean more truth. Second, there are no we. Your path shouldn't be motivated by fear of eternal torture or what others do. You need to sit down and think about what you want. Not your community, unless you want to community. No what ifs about you are wrong. Not even truth, if that is not what you want. And not even goal, if what you want is path.
>>42570298>In Buddhism, they'll kick you out and tell you that you'll suffer forever. Hindu? Step out of your caste, and it's over.Quote your sources please.
>>42571051>t. doesn't actually know anything about the other religions and probably thinks Buddhism boils down to 'dude just be like chill'
>>42570204If any modern government recognizes a belief system as a valid religion then it probably is just a lot of lies and used to control the cattle efficiently.
>>42570204It doesn’t matter which flavor of Christianity you choose. Just pick one.
>>42570204>There are thousands of religions out there
>>42573991There are>Noo, only 3 religions exist! Lmao
>>42572726So before religion nobody had any morals and everyone just went around stealing and raping and killing whoever they wanted even in their own communities and somehow they still prospered? That's absurd.
>>42570204Hell isn't real you're just obliterated after death if you don't worship God and it's basically your choice whether you want to be with him for all eternity or separate from him for all eternity
most religions don't have a hell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Christian_religious_predictionsReligious leaders are the most reliably incorrect about the future.All abrahamists who claim to be prophets who use scripture to try to predict future are deluded.Religion is a byproduct of deception, hypocrisy, mental illness, and cowardice.Evil priests sexually abuse children and use threats of afterlife torture to acquire $$$To hell with religion.Every year, an evil schizophrenic christgolem cult will false prophecy the end of the world, be proven to be liars, and then move the date again, and again, and again. Do not tithe. Do not go to church. Do not obey religious authorities. Do not assist religious authorities.Christian churches falsify their healing miracles using deceptive practices. They will accuse you of greed while demanding $$$ from you and lying to your face.Never leave a child alone w a priest.Hyperconservative religious people are proven to have brain damage.
>>42574527Dead people whove been dead for thousands of years will never return to rule the earth. In a thousand years, there will be no religion, it will be regarded as a mass psychosis.
>>42574527Yeah people are just retarded shitting monkeys. I agree !
>>42574539All religious authorities are swindlers.
>>42570204Reject all of them.If Eternal Hell were real, then that wouldn't change the prescription. Such evil must be rejected.
the religious debates have become so focused on 'gotchas' that the question of 'Ok, but what is moral?' gets swept under the rug.Even if Christianity or Karmic religions were true, they would be something to rebel against and resist. They would not be something to embrace.They treat Conscious Viewpoints as less than shit.The Only Moral way for a conscious viewpoint to exist, is as a sovereign and free God.
Religions are man made systems to understand the ultimate metaphysical reality; and while part of that is how each individual type of race or even human interacts with that they are highly distorted as the people who run these religions themselves do not follow them but use them as mechanisms for control. They cannot supersede the causal reality or place a buffer on the souls ultimate direction.
>>42574455>before religionThere is no time before religion. Religiousity is a fundamentally human act
>>42575042Early humans certainly didn't have any organised religion or moral framework laid out for them. That stuff emerged a few thousand years ago.
>>42575168>cult objects/monuments all the way back to gobleki tepe>no religionI'm actually impressed by how historically illiterate you are
>>42574843>moralWhy would God care what you do? Serious question.
>>42575286Because I understand: whoah there, sugar, don't kill billions. And shit like that, but other inane shit I certainly find laughable. And don't get me started on the whole TV show format of religions.
"There are thousands of religions out there"It's so irritating when people say this.
>>42573534I asserted nothing at all about the others, other than the fact that they induce less mental illness overall, you retarded abrahamic mongrel.
>>42575660Because it's true?
>>42575286I'm God.
>>42575791Yea because you don't actually know anything about religions if you think Abrahamics outrank Hinduism/Buddhism in the mental illness category. You would only have this opinion if you think Indian religions are about being chill and nice or some shit.
if bro doesn't understand all the religions are the same - it's a long road.
>>42570204Flip a coin, then flip it again, then ignore the results and do as you will anyway
>>42575816Im godder than you
>>42574051>There are thousands of religionsAre this thousands of religions in the room with us right now?>only 3 religions exist LmaoThere are 5 official world religions, in case you mean that.
Only gnosticism makes sense
Every religion points at the same thing, some more closer to it than others. They're all "true" but not the final truth in themselves. Different sects have different interpretations to accomodate all sort of individuals on their lines expansion, and then you have how different religions themselves are different interpretations of "God" or the absolute. The final and higher truth has to be that which underlies all of it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophyA suggestion would be to persue whatever is closest to your ideal of reality and go from there; you can always change your mind later on. Religions were the philosophies of the past conveyed trought metaphors to elevate the individual and bring the gap to experience the divine, but it was all subverted by the institutions later on which made society to distance themselves from the greater truth. Mysticism and Philosophy are one.
>>425786768000 just in India. >No, indians are hinduHinduism isn't one single mokolithic religion, there's thousands of versions, each one unique. I was on both a saivite and vaishnava cult. No doctrine was alike.
>>42578676>OfficialLmao
>>42570204Religion is a mental disorder.
>>42575252humans are 200,000+ years old. Gobleki tepe is ~10,000 years old.
>>42578676>5 official world religionsFind the guy who gets to label an religion as "official," and you found the real religion
>>42578676I think you mean major religions, not official religions. The major religions would probably love if all the smaller ones went away, but nobody can prove anything in religion and people believe anything so they remain, and now we have thousands of them
Read picrel. It is either the most plausible explanation of the spiritual realm, or the most pointless hoax in literary history since the Voynich manuscript.
>>42579473All in all, Urantia is fun and worth the read anyway. Is like a New Ager Neoplatonist text.
>>42570204The ones with the most overlap are correct, which is animism. All religions descend from it.
>>42579347And is covered in evidence of already long established religion. Now come back here with those goal posts mr "a few thousand years ago."
>>42570204I had a Chinese friend who told me that in their traditional Chinese (Not Buddhist, Buddhism is from india) beliefs, they believe that humans live in a lower realm and the gods live in a higher realm, and our realm is "insulated" from theirs, so they cant directly interact with our realm unless they basically send down an "avatar", but that avatar wouldn't be able to have the same level of power as they would in their form as a god, so the avatar would be just like a regular person. She also told me that they believe that humans have creative freedom while we are in the lower realm. So maybe that's why we don't know everything about reality. She also said that a human can ascend to the higher realms but when you do it's a one-way ticket and you can't go back down.
>>42578691Gnosticism is the same flavor as Christianity. 'there's something to fight. something went wrong. ya gotta stop it!'I'm a Solipsist. This is my dream, I chose to come here and I'll go back home. I play in worlds like this since I'm God and I can make any world I desire.
>>42580062well, not the 'ya gotta stop it part'. Christianity doesn't have that. Even Gnosticism has the 'trust in Gourd' thing. When I talk to Gnostics it is like I'm talking to Christians who just have the Problem of Evil pushed back a layer.That's my experience with Gnostics.
>>42570666Hmmm... Nice trips? I guess?
>>42570204Its the eastern religions, you're welcome anon.
>>42570204No European pre abrahamic faiths in that picture strange.
>>42570204Greek and Jewish mythology is real.The Greek gods are the celestial rulers of the Astral plane while Jewish demons like Yahweh are rulers of the material plane
>>42580062Kudos. I feel the same. I love Solipsism so much. There's nothing, only Me and the eternal dream of God.
>>42580341what do you mean, its the fourth one...
Rituals all differentBut religions that teach golden rule is goodI am not sure about afterlife, it is not for humans to know, I hope it is a good place and all can eventually find rest there. If eventual goal is nirvana, I hope to go to an afterlife realm where it is conducive to practice that, because is very hard to do that and also have earth life. Be kind to each other, is most important of all teachings.
>>42579709No religions go back 200,000+ years. Religion didn't invent being a decent person. My original point hasn't changed. Even animals show signs of morality, they work together and share things and protect each other. They're not discussing philosophy of morality obviously, but acting like a psycho and killing everyone is bad for your own survival doesn't require the wisdom of a god to figure out
