They exist, for whatever little use that is?


They dont really have wealth or use other than making us so, make of that what you want?
Also, no, the brain doesnt make up everything that we are.
We also have a "second-brain" in out stomach/guts that is crucial for our survival instinct :)

>>42570308
Yeah but our guts are just another fleshy non-soul part of our body.
What is the purpose of a soul? Is it our consciousness?

>>42570288
Spirit occupies the body. The brain is hardware. The product of the Spirit operating the body produces the mind. If you were transfer your Spirit to a different brain, your mind is different, your spirit is not. Think that a driver would perform differently in a racecar than a sedan.

>>42570338
It's the spark inside the battery.

It's always there, ready to be ignited.

>>42570343
>If you were transfer your Spirit to a different brain, your mind is different, your spirit is not.
What would change?

>>42570366
You're operating a different brain. Some but not all aspects of the personality. The body has a different chemical balance and neural networks. To refer to the car analogy. If you were in a race car originally, and transferred to a sedan, you'd still be a good driver and such but you aren't hitting those speeds. Phineas Gage after his accident had changes because his hardware was damaged.

>>42570850
Which aspects of your personality don't come from your brain?

>>42570288
How you explain terminal lucidity without goycattle npc google first results

>>42571010
My greadyness is a carmic shit I know. Directly in my previous life greadyness caused my death. You can discover your own cycles with a good Hypnotherapist btw

I have to wonder if our brains aren't just as automatic as our intestines or stomachs, I don't think consciousness is entirely in the brain

>>42571414
I mean I think a hard dose of illusionism is there, cause we may not even be truly “aware”

If we were, with a consciousness and free will I don’t think alot of mental issues would even be here

>>42570288
Souls are a metaphor

>>42573540
I could see that. Anything I can read about this? I love esoteric symbolism

File: 013600853259.jpg (34 KB, 399x501)

34 KB JPG

>>42570288
This is a hard pill to swallow, but Materialism/Physicalism is truth. As you rightly mention, personality and emotions are simply electrical and chemical reactions which can be altered and even removed by certain types of medication. You are a biological robot, no more and no less. There is no soul. The soul is simply a pointless concept dreamt up by priests and fairy tale men to cope with the fear of death. Consciousness is an emergent property, generating by mindless processes. Abiogenesis proves life is accidental and purely random. The scientific evidence is overwhelming.

>>42573541
Identity, moral character, qualia observer, luggage for the afterlife.. it encompasses a lot of things under a small umbrella

>>42571396
So you believe that greed doesn't arise from your brain but your soul?

>>42570288
The brain is just hardware the soul uses. I don't see how making it where it struggles with memory or can't fully interface is positive proof of consciousness being just a production of the brain. That's a big leap of logic.

And having a different personality isn't a "disorder," shitstein.

>>42573559
>Consciousness is an emergent property
This is an assumption.
>Abiogenesis proves
Also completely unproven and unverifiable lmao. Scientists still are unable to create life in lab conditions and Abiogenesis works under the assumption that life can arise from non-life. Ridiculous claim.

>>42573590
That's a fair point. The brain may just be the conduit for your soul and imbalances in it lead to the personality disorders we see (and being a psychopath or ADHD are disorders, buddy)
But this begs the question, why is it that changes in the brain change the personality of the soul? Why isn't it that the soul is dominant and can overcome chemical imbalances in the brain?
It seems very much like the brain is in the drivers seat.

>>42573665
Like sin, it’s relative to one’s capacity (as determined by god)

>>42573559
>>42573594
What if I were to say none of this is real and some twisted illusion of reality itself?

>>42570288
your example of is wierd , so children don't have as many memories , should that not imply they are less people? , not that they can't conjure up their childhoods , if what you are saying this true , you have to asume this people didn't have childhoods then?.


the rest of the argument after memory is just saying that you can determin everything about a person by a specific quemical , that you could make an anti religion quemical , but even from a materialistic perspective aren't you simplifying and just blatanly assuming you are correct as your main form of argument.

but that being said , under your understanding , without actually knowing how your brain works , why would I anser your question , I would need some level of woo woo , to trully trust you as an OP no?

what if you are lobotomised ,but only for understanding souls , and you are fine otherwise , you sound like it , why would I assume otherwise.

>>42573748
don't get me wrong , I had similar thoughts , and the brain as the "person organs" that make people "people" , is always a very wierd and alien idea.

basically only hardcore materialists can handle the implication at the cost of being retarded.

monks problably have an anser but I am not leveled up enough for that.

its more so that I can't tell if you are being good faith or bad faith , and if you are bad faith would their be a point to comunicate.

>>42573748
>>42573755
that being said , even on the understanding that the brain creats the person , while I don't agree with it.

even by most secular persons standar , the soul has to exist to have a person in of itself , even if its a slave to the brain.
the reason why materialists can handle this problem , is because they tecnically argue thier are not any people at all.

>>42573679
I asked why the brain appears to be in the driver's seat.
It seems that your behavior is determined by your brain, not anything else. That's why people who suffer brain trauma often experience complete shifts in personality. It's the brain that commands the body, not the soul.
Can the soul be damaged? Probably not. Therefore, brain damage is more important for your personality than your soul.

>>42573748
You're misreading and drawing some pretty wild conclusions from the OP. Try again.
> just blatanly assuming you are correct as your main form of argument.
I conclude that I am correct based on the logical reasoning I outlined. Yes.

>why would I anser your question
How could you if you cannot even bother to read it?

>what if you are lobotomised ,but only for understanding souls
Then I couldn't understand souls. Again, proving that the brain is in command of the mind, not the soul.

>>42573755
>I can't tell if you are being good faith or bad faith
I'm communicating in good faith. Meanwhile, you made wild assumptions and completely invented things I said in your first post.

>the soul has to exist to have a person in of itself , even if its a slave to the brain.
If it exists, that seems to be the case given what we observe about personality.

>they tecnically argue thier are not any people at all.
Yeah, I never said that either.
What I said is very clear: I'm not sure what purpose the soul has given that apparently all our personality comes from our brain (and to lesser extent, other organs)
What even is the soul? Consciousness? The witness in our heads? The experience of being alive?

>>42573770
>Can the soul be damaged?
My point was that only god would be able to answer because his judgement is all that matters

Let’s say someone got hit in the head and became evil. Is that change indicative of the soul changing? Not necessarily, since the soul is only fully legible to god.

You could also take god out of it and say the soul is atemporal I guess. The before-damage and after-damage state are simply data points

How many times do we have to go over this? Radio waves travel through space. You tune your radio to the right frequency the signal comes through. If the radio is damaged the signal will come through distorted; does that mean anything actually happened to the radio waves? No, of course not.

>>42573770
>You're misreading and drawing some pretty wild conclusions from the OP. Try again.
>> just blatanly assuming you are correct as your main form of argument.
>I conclude that I am correct based on the logical reasoning I outlined. Yes.
>But this is just one of many problems. We mostly understand what makes psychopaths, narcissists, and gooners. We can even treat certain personality disorders. Positive personality traits come from your brain, not your soul
>>why would I anser your question
How could you if you cannot even bother to read it?
I have read it, and I told you my opinion on it.

>>what if you are lobotomised ,but only for understanding souls
Then I couldn't understand souls. Again, proving that the brain is in command of the mind, not the soul.
yea, but thats the problem anon , I think to some degree someone needs to respect the premises they are putting directly in their argument , everything about the argument is based around the brain being the core of ideas and the core of a person , yet you never posted specs , you never posted your brain.
how I am supposed to engange with your ideas without knowing your brain, I bodernline don't know you , you are assuming some kind of vage trasendental reason , that people are able to "control" , when starting this argument , but by how much , I am unsure.

basically you can get proactevly cynical about any of my premises , but that cynicalness , at least in the context of this argument , won't really be mantained , you won't really see people as extencions of their brains , the same way you are implying in the OP , their is some vage assumption of soul.
or at least I assume , because you missed a big problem of logic with your premises , because you aren't asking for brain specs , nor considering them , thats my problem.

>>42573788
So you believe that souls are either good or evil and the actions of the user don't really matter?
If that's the case, then souls must be born either good or evil and the behaviors of people simply never matter because this is just the brain acting, not the soul.

For example, a kid is born with a good soul... but his brain has chemical imbalances that make him a psychopath his entire life. But he had a good soul so he was good. Conversely, a kid is born with an evil soul but his brain is well balanced and his brain gives him dopamine whenever he is generous, thus he lives a virtuous life but is still evil in his soul.

>>42573792
This is a fair point but what even is the soul if it isn't your personality?

>>42573813
>I have read it
>>children don't have as many memories , should that not imply they are less people?
I said IPAD children are less capable of developing memories and never even speculated on whether they're people or not.

>the argument is based around the brain being the core of ideas and the core of a person , yet you never posted specs
Yes. This is why I gave examples of how personality is determined by the brain.
What then is the nature of the soul?
I want to know because at present, I cannot see a place for it unless it's just shorthand for consciousness.

>>42570288
Because souls are fake and don’t exist. Another retarded lie made up by man.

>>42573815
It's not a what if; the soul indeed isn't your personality. Literally any esoteric tradition that classifies these things makes the distinction. Your personality is partially driven by bio-mechanical impulses, partially by deep-seated habits that transcend life times (in yoga they call them "samskaras") and some other stuff as well, but the soul itself is something distinct.

>>42570288
Brain is the connection to the soul
/thread

>>42573776
>>I can't tell if you are being good faith or bad faith
I'm communicating in good faith. Meanwhile, you made wild assumptions and completely invented things I said in your first post.
I am logically responding to the implications of your premise , not even because they are ilogical or evil in of itself , but because they are really difficult to actually comunicate with.
its like a sliper slope , based around accepting the premise as said , "people say that mistical training can shield your soul from change , but mistical masters when they get old and their brain is damaged become a copy of the same person" , you are problably going to call this example a strawman, but it is how you argue.
>>the soul has to exist to have a person in of itself , even if its a slave to the brain.
If it exists, that seems to be the case given what we observe about personality.
unclear about your point here , when I said "even if its a slave to the brain" , I am refering to a belive system were everything that makes a person a person other than awereness itself , to be part of the brain. that is what I refered even if it was a "slave to the brain".

>>they tecnically argue thier are not any people at all.
Yeah, I never said that either.
maybe that is why , I said THEY tecnically argue that are not any people at all , not you tecnically argue that they are not any people at all.
anon , I don't know your overall philosophy about reality , I was refering to a specific belive system.

>What I said is very clear: I'm not sure what purpose the soul has given that apparently all our personality comes from our brain (and to lesser extent, other organs)
What even is the soul? Consciousness? The witness in our heads? The experience of being alive?
well , at least most modern secular people need the soul , to at least hold the information and in a wierd sence hold the "person" , inside.
even if your personality is just a mechanistic deterministic brain process , the thing that process is changing would be you , it would be a question of personship , so a mixture of consciosness and the experience of being alive.

>>42570288
>Take memory. Basically every single part of our personality is built atop the foundation of memory. Yet when you get dementia, it all just goes away.
Our personalities go away when we lose our memories? My grandmother has dementia and has glaring memory problems but she still has the same personality she always had

>>42573815
Is a wolf evil for killing a sheep, or would god understand? The labels good and evil can only be assigned by an omniscient root power. To us, those are ONLY words rather than truths

I suppose another way of phrasing all of this is that the soul is dynamic meta data rather than dynamic raw data

>>42573821
>>I have read it
>>>children don't have as many memories , should that not imply they are less people?
>I said IPAD children are less capable of developing memories and never even speculated on whether they're people or not.
but they should not be people anon , at least not as people as us.
I am just taking note about your example , the dimentia example is interesting because it can seem like this very specific brain problem can completly destroy a person , if someone wanted to destroy your soul , most people subjectevly would agree dementia could do that , it feels like its destroying your soul.

then you present the idea that IPAD children have a malformed brain , that they aren't normal in the brain , why back away from the idea they are less people or that at least they would lack their childhood , you said directly that the memories make the person , then you argue for a group that lacks memories and you don't imply they lack personhood in some way?

you can use psycopad as shorthand for something that forces you to be in some way less virtuos , that forces your hand , which I argue in the future could be as easy as using your phone to change your brain , an app could fundamentally make you not care about eating children , and that is interesting, why does the brain have so much power , but you back away from the idea that IPAD children are subhuman , but they have to be anon , I can't agree with you and also not look down on IPAD children , all the comback mechanics are in some way paranormal , they are against the brain , thats what I mean that you somewhat get , to still understand and interact with things in terms of them having a soul , but you get to blatanly claim and assume that its something very easy to get rid of , in your arguments.
you didn't even go though the implications of IPAD kids , thats what I mean by it being difficult to get ground , you are kind of slipery anon.

>>42573841
in the defence of OP , he might just be simplifying the premice that our brains are computers , using the idea of memory.

so even stuff like personality could be considered memory, that just didn't get erased.

its difficult to tell though , and I am not particularly sure.

>>42573826
>partially by deep-seated habits that transcend life times
How do these previous lives affect the brain if the brain is fully independent of these previous lives?
If the soul isn't my personality, what is the soul?

>>42573836
I apologize, I am not trying to be difficult to communicate with. But I am genuinely interested in this and will not accept vagueness as an answer. I was contemplating the nature of existence and realized that I don't see a place for the soul.
I don't understand your example.

I don't have an overall philosophy other than personality traits. I'm trying to develop one.

>>42573859
>I apologize, I am not trying to be difficult to communicate with. But I am genuinely interested in this and will not accept vagueness as an answer. I was contemplating the nature of existence and realized that I don't see a place for the soul.
being honest , I am only giving you some shit , because you are one of the only people that are not being blatant in being bad faith around here.

give me a sec to sober up a litlte bit , I have some thoughts on the topic , as far as I know I never got any direct conclution though , other than any path leads to very wierd misteries.

>>42573838
>even if your personality is just a mechanistic deterministic brain process , the thing that process is changing would be you
Then is the soul just a shorthand for your body? Because the thing that is acting upon my brain impulses is my body, not an ephemeral spirit.

>>42573841
True but if she suffered a severe brain injury, her personality might change entirely.

>>42573845
Why create evil souls at all?

>>42573854
>why back away from the idea they are less people or that at least they would lack their childhood , you said directly that the memories make the person
I never meant that they're less than people. I am using a lack of myelination in early development as an example of how your brain commands your personality.
Where then does the soul come into play? If the soul isn't your personality, what is it? Subtract the brain from the soul and what is left? A shell? Just being aware but lacking anything deeper?

>you didn't even go though the implications of IPAD kids , thats what I mean by it being difficult to get ground
Fine.
I don't believe that they're less than people. I believe that their lack of memories of childhood will make them less emotionally stable, but still people.
The same is true of dementia people. Are they not human because they forget who they are? No. But it is clear that the soul doesn't command memory or personality. Therefore, imagine a soul after death. What happens to the memories, personalities, opinions, love, desires, and everything else that makes us human? Gone. Even awareness seems to exist solely in the brain.
What is left without our brains?

>>42573863
I respond bluntly because I find the idea that everything in my being is just my brain somewhat perturbing. But I have no other conclusion that makes sense. I don't see a place for the soul.

Being drunk is another example: Inebriation inhibits brain functioning, which alters or distorts your personality. Granted, you already established that personality =/= soul but this just begs the question: What is the soul?

People imagine themselves going to the afterlife or being ghosts as being themselves. But everything that makes us unique people is contained in our brain. Thus the soul without a brain is nothing.

>>42570288
If your radio breaks you can't hear the music. That doesn't mean it isn't playing.

>>42571010
Some aspects are innate and you felt them at all times in your life. Some others are learned patterns from this life.

>>42573770
The brain binds us to strictly linear perception of time and physicality. It also filters out a lot of things you weren't meant to see yet and many of the things you are. It's useful because it turns out everything there is, was and will be is happening at once in multiple ways and it's a clusterfuck beyond the comprehension of mortal beings. But the brain can be hacked. It can also be forced to loop and it might glitch or get damaged until the body dies.

The brain can for the most part be overridden if you learn how to hack it yourself. You can do that by showing the brain its limitations by experiencing something beyond what the brain can normally perceive and then forcing said brain to stop rationalizing like a stupid fucking moron. The rest of the body is an anchor as important as the brain, especially the heart and the guts.

I think their is a primary reason for your argumentation , and its based on the idea of a sliper chain of understanding , which assumes that everything that happens within a person is acounted only by the brain , instaid of seeing the brain as just something that could influence the soul directly , all interactions that dictate what a person is are interactions of a brain , or more so a person if not an agregate of everything that happened and is about them , for example , in understandings of the human soul and body were chachras are a thing , maybe a demigod could molest your root chrara , into having a similar personality change to brain damage , but nobody would say your root is your soul or your personality. but the same could not be said about the brain , since the brain is not ment to be reactive to the self , is ment to be constructive , this is not a question of power and agency over your soul .heir are 3 reasons for this , I think.


alright so first things first , a lot of people who are skeptical of souls in a very down to earth manner ,tend to somewhat repeat a specific arguemt , which is were the soul is "located" , the organ that houses it , some said the heart , others said a specific type of liber that didn't exist , but it eventually went to the brain.

their are primary 2 reasons why the brain went as the agregate of were the soul is located and eventually would become the creator of the soul , the "person organ".

1, is that thought medicine their was a very clear expectation any organ could fail and the person could either be safe or at least survive until the lack of program does a domino chain , so as to kill the brain , in a world were brain dead people were easy to bring back to life , we might have different conceptions on were the true personhood of a person lies , but if you look at the arts and a lot of cultural understanding ,their is an expectation that the brain would be the minimun to survive , for your life to carry on. in that way the brain is also what was formaly know as the "life force" , tecnically.
2.: the brain does seem to have very specific interactions with the world of ideas , that could fit back unto themselves.
specially considering the cultural and spiritual transformation we had , scientific definitions feed into themselves , and a lot of the infestructure that in theory we made to understand our soul were made specifically with the understanding that our made was involved or was it directly.

when we do a test of cognition , we are not standing from a neutral ground of our soul being an agregete , were are not assuming agency with anything uncientific , someone molesting your chacras to cheat in a cognitive test , at least if they don't do it in a way that would touch our brain , would not be a cheat for example.
we are ment to be made out also of specific quemical instrutions , because the fundamental reality of all things is ment to be quemical , what you are , to some degree is what you can hold inside.
the brain doesn't really have a concrete reason to exist , within our bodies , it seems to be something that both affects and reflects our thinking personal world , and generally what I said scientific definitions feed unto themselves , its easy then , even if some of the understanding of the brain incomplete , for one to assume that the chain of what the brain is doing , at certain scales. have allready been recorded and made absolutely sure , even if they happen in places we did not record , thosands of years ago.
maybe for example , in the case of mental health , all mental illneses are a result of a weak brain , affecting the soul. EXEPT bipolar or sosphiopaty , thats the fucked up gringos sucking your light penis or whatever , but within an snowballing understaning , that is almost imposible to get.
You can to some degree , debunk or destroy an understanding that alcohol or coffee. is some kind of magical drink , because you can isolate the quemical component to it , but in of itself a bottle of alchohol has 2 sides within itself

alchohol is both the poison and the spirits , but if one only syntesises the poison , and one only syntesies the spirits , the one that would feed into a resonable understanding of the brain would come foward.

>>42574039
their is also a talk about the understanding of how would you get a brain , like I guess one could argue if all is ideas , you getting brain damage would be an intelectual position changing your mind, but I don't think this is a point I can argue.
to end point one, I do think people do have a level of understanding and importance , within the agency a brain could have over you , just because the brain is powerfull , its more so that the more you look into the stuff the brain does , it feeds into itself , at a pasive level , that nothing else is necesary , even if you have holes and even if their are other posible explenations.

the second point is more active , its a question of agency , if we go foward from the understanding that the brain is oneself , and that we allready studied and understood , that any posible power would come from that brain , then it becomes difficult to conceptualise , any kind of difference within an understanding of the soul , point 1 is were people kind of get the idea of the all seeing eye of consisness of the soul of just being a thing that observes and nothing else , but this point 2 kind of traps that point one, the understanding of the soul as something that is somewhat sleeping , and as such for example doesn't float or change reality

, or in this case , doesn't know thing its should not know most of the time is common, but what point 2 is saying , is that. because it can (allegedly) acount for all agency in history , being a brain problem , if a soul existed , it either desinks or it never picked up the controller , a very main idea against point 1 , is this idea that the brain is both you and not you through the use of personas , and basically arguing we are kind of a finite (or infinite ) fractal in a wierd way.
but basically their is an understanding that your soul is actually a significant part of you , but its currently in some level of hidding , your soul still has agency away the close system you are as a animal , its still you and you are in a wierd sence connected , but the person you hold with our brain is still different , a lot of videogame analogies used for stuff like this.
this is were I would put antena anons and the concept of the higher self.
well the second point is very much a counter points to those ideas , its basically using simplification , trying to get any kind of influence of the formula , by saying it allready knew everything your brain would do , so it isn't hacked , and without hacking your brain, then your body won't move and even your opinions won't change , its trying then to go further to the idea , that everything that happens inside oneself is basically something produced by the mind , in the same way the heart produces blood.

but their are examples of people being able to gain agency , and gain information over stuff they could not get otherwise , because they are abusing having a soul , I hate paraphyscologists and like to make fun of them , but they make a strong point that our brains should have some level of wifi , look into their research for stuff like that (good luck finding any good research).
it works , under a very similar snowball understanding as 1 , but here its more so playing a very specific cat and mouse game with the normal and the paranormal , its kind of common , were well you make a perfect mechanistic chain of understanding everything , of being everything , so as to make it imposible to allow anything else as a explenation , so as to force other people to use your vocabulary , mind you is still on the paranormal people , for not being flashy enough , how many evil engeniers giving people brain damage to sustain their legacy , but 0 evil wizards molesting root chackras.

this goes into another question , you can talk about for hours about how something like brain damage might have a spiritual component , and how to some degree , traditional implementations of the world are giving all the space , man power and obidience that we allow , but I think this is kind of cope without admiting the last final 3rd point.

we aren't even using our souls that much , its a snowballing problem , how many of us , really tried to use our agency to do something purely spiritual for a soul , to touch a cube that isn't their , to fix an isue trully trough brute forcing it using a soul.

if you don't get any dynamics that trully run inbetween a very mechanical aprouch to life , you might not even be awere of what people really are arguing about , and think this is more so the true core for a lot of atheism type stuff.

e

>>42570288
We don’t have soul. One is all and all is one. We’re all part of the same eternal being. The uniqueness of each individual is indeed made up by the brain. The brain is there to limit and restrict us, nothing more.

There is nothing we don’t know and nothing to do. There is no past or future, no adventure or mystery. Not like we needed those, since they’re all just made up human needs. We need nothing, so the only way for us to experience anything new is through this eternally repeating random universe, that we are observing from every possible point of view at the same time.

ven on this understanding though , this is also the stop gap for most people and I think is the stop gap for you anon.
for all the non silly stuff you do with your soul , their is some stuff you assume you have to have , because it sacred.

I think people need to asume a little bit of a soul to understand the world and for their philosophies to make sence , they were not made that brain centric.
but that would be a hypocrecy , so people kind of just ignore logically souls aren't ment to be a thing , they move on with their day , and just kind of assume the soul is a certain friction the brain produces or something , how much would the word change without the idea of free will for example.

hell people changed so much from the idea of life after death not being a thing, and that isn't even a given if we are our brains.

I wish I had more to say , but its very late right now , I am going to sleep , but this is the type of stuff I was refering too , when I said no one really has an elegant solution , expet monks that don't show any resolve or results or materialists that are evil , satatnic and reddit.
also retarded , I hope I made my point across , because I stoped making points now zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................

File: static tv.gif (101 KB, 220x220)

101 KB GIF

>>42571010
Aspects of the personality come "trough" the brain. They don't necessarily come from it.

>>42570288
You are not your personality.
You are the eternal soul.

>>42570288
Nothing but delusions on this board.

There are no supernatural forces, souls, magick, life after death, tulpas, undead beings or giant conspiracies hiding things we cannot imagine right under the surface of what we can see. Reality is cold and driven purely by power, intelligence, determination and manipulation. There is no hidden meaning, no destiny, no reason to live. Reality is both a giant playground for us to explore and progress in, but also an arena for us to fight in for our false ideologies. If you fail at life, you will never find anything to hold on to. No aliens, no haunted houses, no spirits, no demons to fight. You're only fighting with your own delusions, and desperately trying not to hit the absolute bottom. Now try to prove me wrong, if there really is anyone still treating this paranormal shit seriously.

>>42570288
are your memories really worthy to engrave them in your soul forever?

That what mediation its for, to plant the seed of truly virtuous or remarkable memories.
What would you really like to keep?

>>42573587
not that I *believe*
I *know*
this is beyond faith

>>42573792
Im stealing this thank you anon

>>42570288
>Everything you think comes from the brain
Oh no no no. People have thoughts that are not their own all the time. Spirits speak to people through the brain and most people take it as their own, genuine thoughts. They couldn't be more wrong.

>>42570288
>We mostly understand what makes psychopaths, narcissists, and gooners
Lol. No. No, we don't. Much of this is spirits harassing the living.

>>42574495
tulpas are very much a thing anon , people can make them on demand and they have allready been scientifically studied even if the study was murky.
honestly being skeptical and "policing" what is the personal direct experience of someone , is something that doesn't sit well with me , it feels like its just one clear change out of madness.

if you can allready decidedly assume someone doesn't have a second person inside of them ,because of "skeptism" , whats stoping you from doing it to just having 1 person inside of them.

also anon , I am not entirely sure how I am ment to disprove a bunch of claims you pulled out your ass , you don't really give anything to disprove , it would be like trying to disprove the schitzos that say they are part of the galactic federation here.