If Magick is real then why do magicians sell books instead of just summoning money?The CIA gateway papers explain altering the universal hologram and say you can be displaced from reality with drastic consequences, however if that's the case then the world would be a GTA lobby no?
Getting material gains for pulling shite out of their arses is the essence of magic to those guys
>>42570642Harder to fake with paper currency that has all kinds of identifiers than in the past with lumps of metal. Even nowadays gold bars have identifiers on them. I guess if you go the raw jewel route maybe.
God enforces justice on financial matters or "money karma". If you meditate on this concept for a while, you will realize that most money magic burns itself out unless, especially when the person trying to do it is an unemployed young guy. The other option is doubling down with the dark side of things and having something significant to offer them, which has terrible spiritual consequences and cannot bring satisfaction. So you have people like Jason Miller convincing people they are master money magicians, when really he is just another grifter selling a false dream that works for the guy selling you the dream, but doesnt work for you. He also positioned himself to be useful to the spirits he is working with rather than full-on begging.
>>42570668So it would seem.>>42570677Was it always fake? Can the "federal" reserve printing it out of thin air and debt be considered magick?>>42570790>It's all up to God lmaoHow convenient!>SpiritsMay i see them? Or is there another convenient excuse for their invisibility?
>>42570821>Your ownThe soul is not "ours", we are not our bodies.The body is made of CELLS (like a prison cell) and there's also the ribCAGE.If you mean the HGA that's just you in 4th dimensional spacetime, watching the frames/moments of your life like a movie.
There is not a single "magi" today who truly understands the Science with capital S. What they practice is a degenerate, distorted, and worldly form of it. Kali Yuga. >>42570848Your body IS you; think of it as the tip of a mast touching the ground. You descend from the higher realms, becoming increasingly limited and defined, until you arrive here. It is a continuous manifestation; there is no real separation, only a gradation.
>>42570642If you look into LOA you will also notice that people have an easier time manifesting things directly instead of the money to buy it (like say manifesting a couple of tickets to a concert is easier than manifesting the money to purchase them). Why? Because money is a Magick system in and of itself, owned and controlled by TPTB. It literally has their Sigil's on it. So unless you are in their special club you will suffer. That's how they maintain power is by metaphysically controlling the entire worlds abundance. Poor people never rise to the top because they are quite literally cursed by the system. It is also why crypto made a few actual nobody's wealthy in a way nothing else ever did. It was outside of the Beast System (it has been patched though).
>>42570883>Your body IS youIt is a machine used by (you), you are a ghost in the machine/shell.>You descend from the higher realms, becoming increasingly limited and defined, until you arrive here.There is only one being here, there are no "higher" realms, just densities.>>42570906Time is money, and Crypto was never "patched", it was always controlled by them to, the few who got "rich" are just puppets.LOA is to inconsistent, sometimes it manifests and other times it doesn't, it seems to work better the more intensely you feel, like if you strongly fear something bad will happen something bad indeed happens after a while.
>>42570642>If Magick is real then why do magicians sell books instead of just summoning money?Probably the same reasons why artists don't create money from raw materials.
>>42570970>Artistshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1qACd0wHd0
Because magick is not real theyre all frauds selling useless trinketsSame goes for people selling religious books
>>42571086You will note the religious cultist is in $$$/attention competition w the spiritual/magickal idiot The superstitious idiot religious cultist will claim the useless trinkets the magician is selling are "cursed" while their cult books are "blessed".
>>42571090Both groups are swindlers and the atheist skeptic is correct.Some of the witchy holistic people at least sell some herbs and supplements which are reasonably effacious but do not use psychedelic drugsBut crystals and all that shit have no magic powers, neither do crosses or magic bread crackers
>>42571100Shit like reiki, laying on hands, faith healing, etc, is all placebo bullshitNobody goes to a reiki healer with broken legs or a fever of 100. Also, the monroe tapes/hemisynch is junk too. Do not advise. Just gives you useless visions.
>>42570642There is quite a bit of money magic. At the same time, high magic is above money and deals with supernal powers and realities that transcend things as petty as money. Money is a human endeavor that doesn’t mean anything to spiritual beings who dwell in non material realmsThink bigger.
>>42570642I’ve wondered this about economists.
>>42570642See also, alchemy
>>42570809>Can the "federal" reserve printing it out of thin air and debt be considered magick?Absolutely. Babylonian money magic-Money from nothing. Fiat (four letter words are often magical) literally means “because I say so”Which is quite close to abracadabra -as I speak, I create.
>>42571086This.>>42571129>picrel>supernal powers and realities that transcend things as petty as money.>non material realmsCan you prove the existence of these?>>42571135>AlchemyLead into Gold, Matter into Light.
>>42570642I mean, there's music teachers who never got rich and famous as musicians. Also, there's plenty of books and video courses that say you CAN learn how to sweep pick, but it's not like every kid who ever bought a guitar became a Joe Satriani or a Steve Vai. I'm not saying I believe magic is real or the altering the universe is real. I'm just critiquing your logic a little.
>>42571200>It's not about us proving.Beliefs are Dogmas, Emperical Proof is something else.>It's about you ascending.Where to? Escape? Where to?>You're too low down there you dumb bitch.Profanities are for the profane.>npcLabels, labels, labels, you are so based and le redpilled.
>>42571238>There's music teachers who never got rich and famous as musicians.Magicians say the universe is Music so this would be a skill issue according to them.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis>>42571256>You are unenlightened pedestrian trash.>enlighten>lightAre you aware that the light can blind you if you chase it?>You will never ascend.You haven't answered my question larp man, where to? Where will you even go?
>>42570906The "money karma" theory does a good job explaining this as well. Asking for 1000$ is the karma of asking for many days of labor. Hence there can be a lot of pushback, especially for someone with a history of greed karmas. But asking to find a good deal or to have financial intelligence is just asking for information, which can be freely given in many cases.
Because when you see through the veil you realize material wealth is merely means to an end. You see the pathways of money and stop thinking "I want more, I want a mansion and a Lambo" and instead start thinking "I want to do the Great Work, dissolve into the Godhead, Ascend, I want to understand the worlds beyond and I want to help others do the same along the way."If you keep thinking about money you failed the ego trap. Worst part is that you have to overcome it over and over.For this reason, most magi don't seek to become "rich." Occultist Long Milo DuQuette famously said "writing occult books isn't a get rich quick scheme, it's not even a get rich slow scheme."Instead, a magus seeks to instead free himself from money. To find means to make just enough to eat well, enjoy life, and focus the brunt of their efforts into The Work. This can take many forms, like having a job they find comfortable or are passionate about, or maybe they make money with something directly tied to the occult (selling books, readings, etc.).All the gold in the world can't buy gnosis. But it can buy you time to seek gnosis.
>>42571291>KarmaAnother convenient excuse.The word just means Action.>>42571300>material wealth is merely means to an end.Then why don't magicians pull some more means to their ends from "beyond the veil" instead of selling books?>dissolve into the GodheadYou mean go to the soul slop ball like some moth to a flame or fish to an anglerfish?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClUEYRQ2FdQ>Lon Milo DuQuette famously said "writing occult books isn't a get rich quick scheme, it's not even a get rich slow scheme."Yet he keeps selling them... Interesting.>Instead, a magus seeks to instead free himself from money. The occultist priest class of the "elite" seem to think otherwise.>All the gold in the world can't buy gnosis, But it can buy you time to seek gnosis.It can actually, when you have everything and satiate every material desire you might realize how boring it all is and become "enightened" to the frivolous nature of it all, like when you complete a game to 100% and it becomes boring.>>42571319>I have no argumentsK then. Keep larping and seething :D
>>42571356Holy Projection! You talk like one to.
>>42571342>The word just means Action.Nope.There are many different religious and philosophical systems. The original hindu meaning was not a water-down atheistic one. >Then why don't magicians pull some more means to their ends from "beyond the veil" instead of selling books?Because God controls the money karma of everyone.When you act like a parasite it works a few times, but then you get cut off and isolated and it stops working for most people, unless their have unique circumstances and karmas. >The occultist priest class of the "elite" seem to think otherwise.You know that the Jews have many teachings about how God uses legalistic financial laws to distribute financial blessings. Ah but that sounds almost like karma so it probably isnt real right.>satiate every material desire you might realize how boring it all is This is only the first step of the spiritual path, which is renunciation of material pleasures, to seek heavenly things instead.>anon taking financial advice from Aleister CrowleyAnon if you wonder why your life isnt going anywhere. That man started with a lot, and lost it all.
>>42571366>>42571342You post like nungali from daobums, just more unhinged in the anonymous space
>>42571371>Nope.It's literally a Sanskrit word.>Because God controls the money karma of everyone.How convenient! It's all le "God"!>You know that the Jews have many teachings about how God uses legalistic financial laws to distribute financial blessings.Their God is Saturn, The God of Time.And time is Money a.k.a Compound Interest, not Karma or "God".>to seek heavenly things instead.>heavenlyHeaven is inside you, Jacob's ladder is the spine.>>42571387Literally who?
>>42571399>Heaven is inside youYes inside me, but I dont see much of it in you.Crowley was a man of darkness.>Literally who?Ah you're just being shy I guess.https://www.thedaobums.com/profile/110129-nungali/>It's literally a Sanskrit word.With literal contexts and scriptures and philosophies attached to it.
>>42571342>Then why don't magicians pull some more means to their ends from "beyond the veil" instead of selling books?Because they don't need that much, and because more money also comes with other earthly problems (more taxes, visibility, envy).Also because magick arrives through the path of least resistance. Which means you're more likely to manifest enough sales than you're likely to manifest a suitcase with a million dollars.Also because of integrity. Those who take without giving, or wish to do so, are failing to give the reciprocity they want from the universe.>You mean go to the soul slop ball like some moth to a flame or fish to an anglerfish?I mean whatever spiritual endgame the individual has.>Yet he keeps selling them... Interesting.Are you being obtuse on purpose?Of course he keeps selling them. The man needs to eat, the man wants to spread his knowledge and ideas. He found a way to do both.>The occultist priest class of the "elite" seem to think otherwiseNo such thing. There's the elige hiring occultists, but no "priest class." We're not in ancient Egypt anymore, you conspiranoid fanatic.>It can actually, when you have everything and satiate every material desire you might realize how boring it all is and become "enightened" to the frivolous nature of it all, like when you complete a game to 100% and it becomes boring.What you're describing is proof that you're not just still trapped in the materialist mindset, but you're also a materialistic fool.You don't need to satiate every desire to realize how frivolous the world of materialistic pursuits is. If anything, the ultra rich have proven time and again that it's a feedback loop. For every satiated banal craving another one takes its place.
>>42570642>however if that's the case then the world would be a GTA lobby no?No. Read this Reddit post ASAP:https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ti4zbg/what_were_up_against/>TLDR:>This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. What's more, you should be warning people about the upcoming "day of vengeance" here on Bozrah. Keep in mind that the 1,000-year Millennial Kingdom will take place on Earth, not on Bozrah. This planet will be destroyed (and Jesus will be the destroyer). It has no future.>Bozrah is basically a replica of Earth. People who have lived here their entire lives NEED to realize—once and for all—that this celestial body was never Earth, and it never will be. It's an impostor planet. And if you have an issue with that, take it up with God, not me. I just speak the truth (nothing more, nothing less).>Bozrah's human anatomy is distinct enough from Earth's human anatomy that the differences allow me to know, with 100 percent certainty, that this is a different planet. Not 99.99 percent certainty, but literally 100.00 percent certainty. On top of all of that, the speed of time here is a blazing 50 percent faster compared to Earth! Yes, you read that correctly: fifty percent faster (as in 1.5x speed, and thus a day on this planet is only 16 Earth hours long). So, forget about all of the anatomical differences for just a moment; the time difference ALONE allows me to know, with 100 percent certainty, that this is a different planet. Now, ask yourself the following question: Is God not watching each and every person who tries to debunk these differences?>You, the Bozrah native, are the one who has been deceived. Not me. God didn't send me to the other side of the freaking Milky Way Galaxy just for you to tell me that I have been deceived. You are the one who was born on an impostor planet. Not me.
>>42571427Will you please shut the fuck up???
Magic is almost entirely comprised on of two things or both things simultaneously: Endocrinology and Psychology.Would you prefer that I explain what hormones are, what role they play in "magic" and why you're not taught about them or would you prefer that I explain what role Psychology has, what Jung figured out and why what he taught is related to the development of consciousness alongside the development of mythology?
>>42571416>Crowley was a man of darkness.Light and Dark, LHP and RHP.Both hands belong to the same body, all is one, it makes no difference.>Ah you're just being shy I guess.Lmao, i've never even heard of that forum.>>42571425>Because they don't need that muchPure cope.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes>money also comes with other earthly problems (more taxes, visibility, envy).>integrity.This doesn't seem to bother the Rothschilds.>The man needs to eat, the man wants to spread his knowledge and ideas. He found a way to do both.You can grow food without money and the worth of an idea is subjective.>no "priest class." We're not in ancient Egypt anymore, you conspiranoid fanatic.Look around you, the symbolism and ceremonies are everywhere, do you think the Pharaoh's just vanished into thin air? They wear suits and ties now.And your gaslighting is showing, maybe some glowing to.>but you're also a materialistic fool.I'm still waiting on that Empirical Proof, i'd say Quantum Physics is getting there.>>42571427>Disinfo & Misdirection
>>42571475>EndocrinologyThat would be the Chakras a.k.a Endocrine System>Jung>picrel
>>42570642> why do magicians sell books instead of just summoning money?anon, spells (spelling) are made of wards (words) - they ARE summoning money
>>42571487Already knew someone would say this and kudos to you, i posted about that here >>42571066Did you even read the thread?
>>42571485This post relates to this post >>42571283
>>42571485Oh and please explain what you dislike about Jung. Is it because you hate Freemasonry? You can just say that. I won't care.
>>42571482Yup. You're a materialist fool and a materialistic imbecile.You're not worth pouring genuine effort into anymore.If you genuinely think that it's "pure cope" when you're being told the magi don't seek immense wealth because they genuinely have greater pursuits, then you're trapped in a mindset that worships wealth for the sake of wealth.Goodbye.
If your power was directly linked to how many psyches you can infect and get to feed into your projection why wouldn't you write a book? It's probably the lowest effort method possible for spreading mind worms
>>42571512Wealth is leverage manifest as resources. The big ways that the wealthy gatekeep their positions is by the time for money complex. It's lucrative for them for maintaining a sizable barrier to entry which mitigates competition. It sustains the current paradigm largely due to primarily being an energy sink that strains laymen. The biggest edges you can achieve tend to involve enough revenue-producing equity that you don't have to labor for money and granting that prosperity to your children. It's why the dynasties with actual continuity have nepotism networks. The most potent among them have genetic-spiritual (see >>42571475) qualities that necessarily compel their superior dispositions.In other words, Wealth is one means of Leverage. Autonomy or Agency can be obtained in a variety of ways. The most effective types of leverage are the kinds that don't have a meaningful capacity to be challenged, you'll find. This trumps inherently the continuity mechanisms currently in place by your current regime.Do you know what a Zero-Day is?
>>42571174> Can you prove the existence of these?Yes I can. In general relativity, time and space are the same thing Einsteins theory is rooted in time as a 4th spacial dimension. This is demonstrated in the geometry of the merkava whose geometric inner product demonstrates 4D time dilation in a 3D form- picrel- the inner cube behaves as shadows do with a physical form. Anyone that walks across time is God de facto to us. What’s in the fourth dimension besides the past and the future? I don’t know but the realms do exist and I’m inclined to doubt it’s empty of inhabitants. In the book Living in Divine Space, Kabbalist rabbi Yitzchak Ginsberg claims that God lives between the fourth and fifth dimensions
>>42570642>If Magick is real then why do magicians sell books instead of just summoning money?money is of no value or interest to people that can do magic, and those who can't fail when they try
>>42571501Music affecting the Endocrine System?>>42571507>FreemasonryNo one even brought up Freemasonry, quite the projection there, but to answer your question it's because his texts are verbose slop that could be said in 3 or less words.Even the Disney Masons made fun of him.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckK_YOj0LPY>>42571512>Goodbye.I accept your concession, and you didn't even address the Fox & The Grapes story.>>42571525That's just Propaganda/Psyops 101.>>42571541>Wealth is leverage manifest as resources.Depends on the demand for said resources.>Do you know what a Zero-Day is?There are no Zero Days in the current system, but you can flip over the game board, break it and piss on the pieces.>>42571570This. A.K.A, Dogma.>>42571614>Shapes & Platonic SolidsDo you know where the "straight" lines of those shapes come from?>>42571620https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes
>>42571507>I won't care.You cared enough to reply.
>>42571771Do you know where the "straight" lines of those shapes come from?Not beyond Pythagoras but it sound like you have a strong opinion on the matterI’d like to hear it if you’d favor us.
>>42571781https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbrFHcueCMw
>>42571771>MusicAnon, the Planets are also the Chakras. Did no one explain this yet for you? I'm sure you can get the rest of the way. You seem like the kind of guy that would get it, I'd guess.>No one even brought up FreemasonryI brought up Freemasonry. It's the usual complaint and you didn't just elaborate even though it was clear you didn't like him. I'm not sure I think people who are verbose are annoying. You can be verbose and not have anything to say. Most of Jung's work is consistent enough to keep me coming back.>the demand for said recourses.I'm not seeing the pertinence of what you're saying here.>no Zero-DaysThat's exactly what everyone says before a Zero-Day emerges.>>42571774I don't really enjoy the apronfags. I just assumed that's why anon disliked Jung - because he comes from Freemasonry like his dad. It's odd both of you had a weird reaction when I brought up Freemasonry though, isn't it?>>42571771>>42571781>where da straight lines come fromWhat the fuck are you faggots doing here? Why all the jousting? Do you want me to fucking tell you what muh magic is or not? You're being annoying. Every Four has a Fifth and every Twelve has a Thirteenth. Grow the hell up, guys.Saturn.
>>42570642its a very simple answer, because magicians all focus on different parts of magic and even the most powerful ones have their limits for manifestation.You're basically asking why arent all politicians the president, or why every 9-5 office worker isnt a CEO.just because you put in the work and focus on something doesnt mean you're gonna get everything instantly. Most magic users do money rituals and spells that take time sometimes years to help their financial life, its not something you can just do 1 day and be rich the next, though there are rituals to do that and im sure some practicioners have done that or tried it but anyone who is serious about magic knows how dangerous that is unless you have very specific expensive artifacts and ingredients.I would say only the rich perform that type of stuff, specifically "secret societies" and masonic cultists, theyre the ones who have dedicated their wealth to continue making more wealth with more extreme and powerful rituals with darker energies. A random person could attempt to do it aswell of course but it would just be too dangerous and the average person doesnt have the morality and degeneracy needed to actually work in the "money" section of magic.Money isnt a good thing, no matter how much good you do with money, it is by design a very dark and corrupted thing in society , it was literally made to sacrifice people and keep others enslaved, you have to work with very dark energies and corrupted spirits if you want lots of money.the majority of humans by nature would rather live in modesty and be "clean" in spirit with enough money to get by. Very few are actually obsessed with money and would do anything to get as much of it as possible, if you look at billionaires you will realize theyre is always something off about them and theyre not normal or good people at all, they will literally do the most inhuman evil stuff to get more money, they are completely consumed by the money parasites
>>42571812>Anon, the Planets are also the Chakras.Of the cosmos, the macrocosm, we are a microcosm of that, as above so below.>You can be verbose and not have anything to say.Precisely, a.k.a Jung.>picrel>I'm not seeing the pertinence of what you're saying here.The other anon (you?) said that Wealth is leverage manifest as resources, but if you manipulate the demand for said resources that goes out the window completely.>That's exactly what everyone says before a Zero-Day emerges.The current system has been honed & perfected over thousands of years in wars & conflict by a select few bloodlines that have been doing it for millenia, what Zero Day can emerge out of that?And even if it did by some absurd chance modern technology would patch it before it spread, and those who benefited off it would be silenced.>Do you want me to fucking tell you what muh magic is or not? Sure, why not.>Saturn.SATOR AREPOTENET OPERAROTAS
>>42571812>where da straight lines come fromEuclids fifth postulate was wrong. Parallel lines do not remain parallel for ever.
>>42571812Seven planets in the original childean order. As for music to move up an octave in frequency is to move up a mathematical exponent and a geometric dimension
>>42571876>And even if it did by some absurd chance modern technology would patch it before it spread, and those who benefited off it would be silenced.Right, that's what everyone thought.
"Magic" is tuning to a Signal. Do you know what "Neuroendocrine Transduction" is? Look up first "Transduction". Now realize what the books mean when they say "Vibrate thusly..." Finally, understand that the Planets themselves make Music or Sound.Anons, your Consciousness itself is a Signal. The body you currently wear is a receiver. The evolution of Mythology is the development of human Consciousness. God is (You) becoming Conscious (again).Magic, anons, is understanding and the ability to influence Consciousness.
>>42571874>even the most powerful ones have their limits for manifestation.Who or what defines the "limits"?>just because you put in the work and focus on something doesnt mean you're gonna get everything instantly.That's the whole point of manifestation lmao.>anyone who is serious about magic knows how dangerous that isUnless you have nothing to loose.>the majority of humans by nature would rather live in modesty and be "clean" in spirit with enough money to get by.Because they are trained that way by the rich so they don't become competition.>>42571896Consider all of the black projects, the missing trillions of the pentagon and the temporal effects of CERN and the Mandela Effect, they would patch up that Zero Day at a temporal level in an instant.
>>42571920>they would patch up that Zero Day at a temporal level in an instant.Boy, we've sure had a lot of instants.
>>42570642you can "summon" money with the right method, but these people don't do it and instead ask spirits to just drop it in their laps, like they beg spirits for everything else too instead of doing their own workI'm not a wizard but I've caused big money to materialize a number of times, sums like $900 bucks, $300, etc, in lost wallets and envelopes on the streets over the years. It only ever worked when I auto-suggested myself by some means or other, usually by accident though. Last year I read an expert hypnotist bragging about the same thing after programming himself to find dropped wallets and shit, but the amounts he was (allegedly) finding were in the thousands of dollars. I say 'allegedly' but find it hard to doubt his story.I have lots of other experiences with auto-suggestion being super strong magic.
>>42571771>That's just Propaganda/Psyops 101. Alchemy vs chemistry dynamic
>>42571926And 0 meaningful & long lasting effect.>>42571983>you can "summon" money with the right methodGot any example methods besides hypnotism?
>>42572050>Alchemy vs chemistryThey're the same thing, practical (chemical) vs psychological alchemy.
>>42572122>Got any example methods besides hypnotism?Only other one I know of is what they call "the flow state." It's a combination of high emotional and/or physical energy and an altered state, or "trance" state, which is usually brought on by the same emotional or physical condition. In my experience (I actually discovered the method on my own and developed it for years), expressing an intention in the "flow state" usually has greater effect than what you can get from auto-suggestion. The drawback of it is it's hard to stay in a high state for long, I mean...if you're a normal person anyway and not manic every single day.I never used the "flow state" for money myself, but it worked for attracting other things. One of my first experiences with it was in 2007 when I kept finding full packs of cigarettes and new lighters on the street every day for months. If it could do that, no doubt it would have worked for finding cash.
>>42571983>I have lots of other experiences with auto-suggestion being super strong magic.it ishypnotism is basically just inducing a waking dream
>>42572498I think it's more a matter of this world being the dream and hypnotism is you forcing your will on it through your dream-vehicle, i.e. your subconscious mind.
>>42570883What are "magi" how would you define them and what is an arch-magi?
>>42572531that's what i was implying tooreality is a dream and hyptonism is what wakes you
The allure of money magic is very appealing to newbie magicians. It tends to work best if a person has good money karma shown in their natal chart, and if they have existing money pathways set up, such as owning a business or sales. If a person is unemployed or a wagie, there are very few avenues for money to come into that persons life, other than making working more hours or picking up odd jobs. Many people report doing money magic and getting things like increase credit score and credit card limit - which means that the spirits were trying to do work, but there just isnt any viable avenues for money to come into your life. Imagine a business orientated spirit sees some wagie begging for coin again, and he's like dude I would love to help you run a business, but I'm not going to make someone drop their wallet for you because that would be a form of theft.
Anyone with real power is not concerned in the least with moneyIf you are being sold a book of magic you are being sold a lie
>>42574584>not concerned in the least with moneyTo a point. To really get good at le magic, you have to experience genuine and impactful solitude. If you aren't doing that, you won't get it outside of certain genetic anomalies (which unfortunately, let me tell you, still disqualify you in this way). In either case, all of that solitude can limit you in one or several ways; maybe it manifests as social limitations or limitations to financial or networking opportunities. This produces a feedback loop: to continue to refine your work, you have to have resources and you also need resources to continue your work. Here we confront a compromise: do we continue the work, or do we work to continue what we started?
>>42570642>If Magick is real then why do magicians sell books instead of just summoning money?Law of equivalent exchange.
>>42574645back to /a/ with that shit
>>42571342I know men qho have learned to be virtuous and content once they reach certain level of prosperity, most of them are not officially magicians, but they behave like one.I have been stressed with my job of late and yet >>42571300 nailed it, it's just a job, I had it to have a good time, instead I let it consume it, but he is right, and I won't be consume for someone else greed.
>>42570642Magic works through pathways of this reality.Try it yourself - utter a wish and see how it comes to fruition... can be baffling or even dangerous.
>>42570906Wealth is transgenerationial. > in a way nothing else ever did.There was high tech stocks since the late 90s. Microsoft, apple, then ebay, google, facebook, Tesla, then the AI bubble: Nvidia, intel, sandisk, AMD. For the very patient, precious metals work if you are ready to hold 3 decades. Or maybe some of us, without knowing it, have (diluted), the blood of the dragon. That would explain why we are here, and not with stupid "friend's" at a bar patio, saying stupid things.
>>42570642Bad questions. Look, you need to understand something about money. "Money" as a construct doesn't really exist. It's an arbitrary designation that could be applied to effectively anything. It's a very abstract rework of the bartering system. That said, it's abstraction is also what makes it very powerful. It is a meme. It's magic! Money is a secular form of magic. When it comes to conjuring it or even BANISHING it, you have to be able to understand and work with the larger intersection of magic concerning wealth as a whole. A lot of our relationship with money comes from our perception. Impoverished people are set up so that they are always chasing it and it's just out of reach. Ultra wealthy are stuck with so much that it starts cursing them, not unlike the milagro money man of JoJo fame. But they start thinking the curses they bare are "good" things. When it comes to why magi are selling books instead of summoning money, this is the wrong kind of question. First one must ask why aren't they working wealth magic in general? Why are they of such sour disposition, many of them? (This is related!) Why are a lot so stingy? (Again, related.)Part of the answer here is magicians like writing. Another is there's a lot of very self important magi. The last is that many magi do not understand money as a magical system, nor do they understand wealth magic.
>>42575759Remember, money is based on abstraction of barter. Atleast, in our society - which is capitalist. This makes it a bit different from ancient currencies that represented gift systems based on "real" value. Money and it's accumulation through magic has a few intersecting phenomena:1. Mindstate When we are generating money vis-a-vis magic, this is an important factor for how it's working. Remember, especially, it's notion as the abstraction of the barter system means that it must find a way to make what's "unreal" itself "real". This form of finance turns bartering abstract and intangible concepts (promises, labor, etc) into something ostensibly real (currency). This means ultimately the primary relationship to money magic comes from the mindstate you have generated around and for it. If you are not a generous or kind person, your way of working the abstract needs to become based around evil actions. You need to "steal" the money from somewhere else. This is why the capitalist ultra wealthy resort to heinous and evil actions. This is the only way they can "grasp" the concept, as they've been taught greed is inherent to gain. This is totally wrong on both a magical and fiduciary level. It's applicable however only on a social level, since the society has set it up to encourage that. It creates a lot of misery, do not recommend it. (Cont)
>>42575805This is where also we get into issues such as greed creating blockages. Similarly, suppose you're trying to save money - if you always see it as a "hurdle" to overcome, your relationship to it becomes based around always having to overcome something. Mindstate is crucial to money. If you have a miserable mindstate, your relationship to money becomes miserable. If you're poor, it will press on you like a hand. If you're rich, especially from evil actions, you will be in constant danger from your own behavior. Stingy people are always in consequences. Positive mindstates, especially generous and giving mindstates, enable one to have a beneficial relationship with money. Someone who masters generosity, goodwill and compassion, will have the universe effectively trying to *find ways to bend over backwards in giving them an excess of resources.* If you're wise about this, you will somehow always "luck into" the proper circumstances. 2. Cause & effect & conditionThis is where complexity and abstraction start taking form. Remember, money as a magical and financial system in our current world, is based around BARTER. This means that the already important notion of cause-effect-condition become absolutely primal here. Money represents an extremely abstracted and "unreal" form of this. It's wealth removed from itself, and based around the idea that "something" is arising from "somewhere". That can be promises, time, labor, etc. anything you can "barter". It's taking the unreal and turning it real. Money in the states for example is based around gasoline, which is another abstraction of a real concept - energy. But the actual value behind money, is not gas. It's "freedom" and "time". When someone owns alot of money, symbolically they are owning units of "time" or "freedom". Consequently, the opposites of debt and poverty, symbolically represent someone being enslaved. (Cont)
>>42575823Why mention this? For a good reason. Money is not like gems, gold, silver, grain, seed. All of these are historic money formats, based around "real" items, anchored in a "gift" system. Money doesn't work that way in *our* system. Our system is always working with abstract, unreal concepts, based in barter. What this all means is that money, even more than "real" items needs an area to MANIFEST from. It's not impossible to make large piles of money appear. The issue however is the money system is so unreal that it is, primordially, in a state of quasi-existence. If you ask for money to appear in regular intervals of 50k$ every month, but don't give it any way to MATERIALIZE, you will simply only ever get it in "conceptual" form. You'll constantly have the *possibility* for it arise, but it will almost never take actual form. Money doesn't exist. Atleast, not ours. So it needs a way to make "unreal" into "real". That means there needs to be a stipulation in the process of conjuring (or banishing) it that mimics this. There needs to be a clear cause and effect process lined up. It either needs to be made real, or allocated from a real area.This leaves us with another factor of condition. Cause & effect are laid out (hopefully) very well here. But money also relies on conditions. (Cont)
>>42575865OK anon. Since its so hard to manifest stable money income because its /unreal/ are you able to manifest gold or gemstones more easily than money?Because if you can't then maybe there is a hole in your long winded ~cope~ philosophy
>>42575865What are conditions? Conditions are when cause & effect are given a proper environment to "nurture" and "grow". Conditions can be material or psychological & spiritual. Mindstate starts coming into play here again. Wrong conditions can make the process of allocating or making real, very difficult. Good conditions make them easy. Neutral is somewhere between. On the spiritual side of things, a lot of conditioning comes from the movement of "energy" and thus, proper timing. A good sense of material understanding and wisdom is very beneficial here. Understanding astrology will make someone very powerful in this process. Why? Because astrology is taking "energy" or even "karma" and figuring out the proper "timing" for working with it. This allows someone to navigate setting up good conditions on a spiritual level to take place. For a real world example, look up the astrology of Bitcoin and when it was released. Hopefully you should understand the material dimension of conditions here perfectly well and won't need to ask me further. (Cont)
>>42570642Magick is not real. Coping isn’t proof.
>>42575893Yes! Gems, gold, etc are much easier to manifest precisely because they are already "real". Magic is like pulling on invisible strings in the world. If you're trying to make something unreal come into existence, that's a lot harder than taking something already real and *forcing* cause, effect and condition to manifest it. There's a reason a lot of money magic centered around treasure finding historically, especially in capitalist systems that have emerged.
>>42575900hi jamesmom wonders if you applied to mcdonalds yet and wants you to move out of her basement soon
>>42575913>here's a reason a lot of money magic centered around treasure finding historically,surely this has nothing to do with the fact that money was gold and silver, and every other household had a buried stack of coins on their property, and paper money didnt existWhy is the 20$ bill in nearly everones wallet less real than the gold necklace in relative few people jewelry chest
>>425759003. Wealth magic Wealth is the broader category which "money" belongs to. Wealth assumes ALL GOOD assets under it! Wisdom, intelligence, good relations, good karma, family, etc. anything you can ostensibly put as an important asset to have in life, even if it seems unimportant to us in our abstract society - this is all constituted under wealth. Money is one small aspect of this. Wealth magic is causing all these good things that give you real, tangible benefits, into existence. You may be cash poor, but wealthy in a variety of other ways. Wealth magic is targeting all of this. This is where alot of newbie occultists stumble the hardest. In the past there was a big meme in America about people attempting wealth magic, and conjuring up an abundance of good friendships and stronger family ties instead. But no cash. Why is that? It's because wealth isn't strictly money. Especially in modern society. Wealth is about ALL good assets. ESPECIALLY how they interrelate to each other and bring about more opportunities. Something alot of occultists miss out on. Magic likes to go in the path of least resistance. Remember also, money is abstract. If you don't give the "current" a way to "flow", it will either not come or will be very difficult. In our society, especially in a country like America, the average person is extremely impoverished in all assets we could consider forms of wealth. Ironically, cash can even be a method for impoverishing someone holding it (or in absence of it).When magi focus on creating wealth, they will typically experience the "easy" areas they're missing out on (often relations) manifest before cash will. (Cont - final post in this chain coming up)
>>42575958This needn't be a bad thing. If you understand wealth & money magic, you can turn good relations into opportunity for financial security - without needing take advantage of them. Money magic as a subset of wealth magic would take a manifestation of, say, relations, and turn that into a way the "flow" of money can arise.This is where we see all these other principles all coming together. If you want to manifest money, understand what it is, how it works and how to make it exist. Especially, understand what wealth is.This should all be enough information that you can go from being unable to conjure a sandwich from a bag, to manifesting money, assets & securities. As a final note, anyone interested in stocks and bonds trading, take time to learn how investment & saving works. Afterwards, learn how to use astrology for finance. >>42575926>surely this has nothing to do with the fact that money was gold and silver, and every other household had a buried stack of coins on their property, and paper money didnt existThis is the issue with our current society. Our system of money is abstract, it's not based on "real" things (like gold, silver, gems or grains. Again, all "real" and historical money formats). The reason treasure finding was so popular isn't just because this was the historic money system(s). It's also because it's just plain easier to make come into reality. Time gets kinda fucked up when you do magic. It's way, way easier to make it be the case you found buried treasure of millions in gold. >Why is the 20$ bill in nearly everones wallet less real than the gold necklace in relative few people jewelry chestI already answered this in quite a lot of detail! The short is - that 20 dollars is an abstraction of an abstraction. Your paper money isn't really backed by anything real - like gold or gems. It's based off an idea of something that COULD exist. (1/2)
>>42575990>The short is - that 20 dollars is an abstraction of an abstraction.Holding a 20$ bill in my hand feels just as real as holding a gold necklace. If you were to talk about bank account numbers being an abrstraction that would be more believeable, but a physical piece of paperMoney magic is something done by many noobies, and failed by many noobies. Very few transform their financial situation. I agree with finding other forms of satisfaction thoughNever heard much on friendship spells, but that sounds useful
>>42575990Our paper money is a "promise" for goods and services. But it isn't actual goods or services. Again this is where the difference comes into play. Historical money systems arose within gift economies. Something real is occuring and being "gifted" to someone else. Sometimes in exchange, though, not always. Our money system exists within a complex "barter economy". Our money system is a very evolved form of the barter economy. By it's nature it isn't backed up by anything tangibly "real". The 20 dollars in your pocket is materially real, but what's behind it isn't. This means in order to "gain" another 20$, you need to make the unreal aspect of our paper money system, manifest into something real. Your 20 dollars has to be made existent, otherwise it's just a concept of something you *could* have. I can make spirits fuck around and cause gems to mature in the earth. Same with metals or even seeds. This becomes impossible with our paper money, which has to either be reallocated from someone else's wallet, or given an avenue to exist. Again, real money systems are held to "always" exist. Our paper money system, being an evolution of barter economy, is representative of a vague idea of "something that MIGHT exist". Trying to conjure the idea of "something that might exist" is far more difficult than conjuring a tangible reality. Such as gems, which always represent exactly what they are - gems.
>>42576037So then, how many gems and gold do you have?Surely you could exchange some of this gold for paper and stop working?Personally I think people grip onto their gold watch more tightly than a 20$ bill
>>42576021Refer >>42576037 here WRT 20$TLDR - Paper money symbolically represents an idea of "something that COULD exist". Summoning our form of currency is equivalent to summoning the idea it represents. This is where things get complicated. I could summon a 20$ bill physically. But if I don't do it properly, my magic may cause a *fake* 20$ Bill you might get in a child's game to arise. Why? Because the money is based on an "idea", not a tangible reality. Our money system is very, very strange. >Money magic is something done by many noobies, and failed by many noobies. Very few transform their financial situation.That all comes back to the core issue. Which is that they fail to understand the principles I align earlier. More crucially, they fail to understand that our paper money acts as a symbolic representation of barter. When we trade money, we are trading "symbols".It's a meme. A gem is real, but paper money? Paper money is a meme. You're trading around memes. It's about what the money "represents", not what it physically *is*. This is also why our current society is very odd about trading tangible, real monies, such as gold or silver. Silver is always silver and represents silver and everything you can do with it. Paper money changes in value drastically. 20$ means less now than it used to in terms of what it symbolizes. >I agree with finding other forms of satisfaction thoughNever heard much on friendship spells, but that sounds usefulThere's tons of them, precisely for that reason. Alot of the spirits in western demon manuals have to do with forming good relations.
>>42576069>So then, how many gems and gold do you have?USED to have millions in jewelry. Lost it all. I'm slowly gaining wealth back. It's been difficult though. I've got two bags of mixed minerals and gemstones. One piece of gold jewelry. Hoping to accumulate more though. >Personally I think people grip onto their gold watch more tightly than a 20$ billI would agree! Alot of Asian cultures still use gold, silver, gems & jewelry as the primary money systems. They'll literally see them into clothes. Westward, I think we have a subconscious understanding that the gold watch has more tangible value than the 20$ bill. I think we have that understanding even when we have say, a few million in liquidities or straight up cash.
>>42576126>See*Sew
>>42570906Why would a ponzi with no inherent value Used to makes us go digital and always tracked not be controlled by them
my view on this is that, if i perfect myself, if i pull the astral tapeworm out of my ass, if i and only i become a saint, a perfect being, all of magick will become real, the world will be entirely renewed. my thoughts created this world. so did everyone else's. but for one person to become perfect is enough to cause everyone else to be perfect. as it is said in zen, when one is enlightened all beings at all times and places are enlightened.
love the random fag who just scientifically explained why the jew shekle is enslavement via illusion
>>42570642You're a normie. You won't understand what I'm about to say. No disrespect, but just consider this:Money has no value. Nor does fame, reputation, fancy objects, etc. The greatest human to ever live was bestowed with divinity since the first day and His name is Jesus Christ. Laugh all you want, it doesn't change facts. He Himself defeated death. No one else could, did or will. He told us money has no real value in Heaven. Call it what you want, but the after life is real and its better than earth.
>>42577474Okay but what does this have to do with magic
>>42577477Op is probably eluding to how JC was technically a magician since he had God powers. Right op?
>>42570642You wrongly assume that all they were after is money. If that were true you would have never heard of them, yeah?
>>42570906Money is just tokenized energy. It's easier to manifest the tickets because it represents your actual desire of attending the event. Likewise it's more effective to visualize the specific lifestyle or whatever you want. Car, house, job, a specific amount of money etc. It's easier for "the universe" to create those opportunity, than pouring cash (raw energy) into your bank account.
>>42570906You'll have a hard time manifesting money if you don't have the channels through which the money itself can flow. If you have a job you can manifest money through your salary increase, bonus or smth. If you have a business, you can manifest money from having more customers or wider networks. Money won't appear out of thin air, if you're a neet, money can flow either through lottery, pocket money, inheritance, compensation for damages/injuries etc. More random and unpredictable. People would usually call these 'monkey paws' but really, like everything else, wealth also has to follow the laws of nature
>>42570906> For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?> - Mark 8:36
>>42570947How do you pay the debt of time?The only way is through the precious blood of Jesus Christ.Your flesh doesn't belong to you, the price you pay when your timer is up, will be your soul.The GOOD NEWS is that Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross will settle the debt of the flesh that no one else can.I pray that you are able to come to the knowledge of the Truth and be redeemed. It's time to come home, anon. I Am there.
>>42570642What do you think teh stock market is.
>>42578630>How do you pay the debt of time?You don't.>Jesus Christ.Allegory.>I Am there.All is One.
>>42576653you actually read all those shitposts?
>>42576653Which One?
>>42570883You are not your body or your mind, because those are things that you perceive. You are the indivisible perceiver.
>>42570642I assume this whole post was made for the easy layup, but I'll still bite.The magician selling the book IS the magician summoning money.And check out this whacky idea, The information in the book is designed to possibly manipulate you into doing things the magician wants you to do, like some kind of a magic spell.
>>42570642Magicians summon magick money by their connections to those who hand out government gibs. You don't own your money; the Central bank does -- it's monetized government debt! The majick is paying off government debt with government debt!
