The planet isn’t fucking helpful, it doesn’t help you achieve anything or even to grow, its methods are just frustrating
Depends what your goals are. Saturn takes joy in the 12th house, where he turns people into monks and makes them analyze vice and virtue and sins and this breaks down their personality, but in the end purifies them tremendously. That's only for a good Saturn, as for other people Saturn in the 12th house can be severe punishments of social isolation, disease, and just generally getting fucked over at everything in life and being a homeless junkie with a drug problem and poverty. Some of the virtues of Saturn:>teaches knowledge of good and evil, which is the foundational knowledge needed to remove evil and become purified>inspires the loner monk-bro mindset that hates the world and loves only seeking God>Yama is the judge of hell, and determines karma, while Saturn seems to distribute harsh karmas and punishments, and also be like a prison for infernal spirits>teaches patience and equinamity>one of its goals is to teach you to hate the world and put you on a spiritual path>teaches humility which is a foundational virtue that are virtues are built apon. The deepest love requires the deepest compassion, but to express the deepest compassion requires the deepest humility>can give knowledge of karma and consequences of actionOverall the experience is sort of like a nightmare. Lots of learning experience, and a good foundation, but then you gotta move onto higher things. Not really a fun experience, but is great once you pass through it. Saturn can be a occult initiator in part because without a spiritualization process most people on are the spiritual level of Saturn, aka being an infernal spirit, living in the land of Egypt (slavery to passion and ignorance of evil). So Saturn teaches them knowledge of good and evil, and repentance of sins, as the first purification process.
>>42574934But, it's cute! It's even got an innertube lmao. See? Very helpful :)
Saturn is exalted in the sign of Libra because love is the fulfillment of the law. If you do all this purification spiraling process it doesn't seem worth it unless you have Venusian qualities of love, compassion, harmony and beauty as the ruling virtues.
>>42575026>severe punishments of social isolationwhy do they keep saying this? being alone isn't a punishment, it feels greatno dirty humans invading your space is greatpraise 12 house saturn
>>42575026>saturn >monksmoloch is archon of decay, including spiritual one
>>42575026>defending saturnShalom, moshe.
>>42575026>where he turns people into monksAre we talking about literal monks or are we talking about, you know, being on monk-mode? I need purification but I would also love to have a family one day
>>42575044Jews sacrificing children for shekels is not law
>>42575221There no purification with saturn, just rot
>>42574934Jews:Made a religion with a bunch of moral customs and laws that only apply to themselves and they can abuse and enslave you for violating them even though you come from a different tribal/spiritual background.So basically they are demons pretending like they're doing God a favor.
>>42575026I have Saturn in Gemini, 8th in whole signs but 7th in placidius. I swear to God I would be were in need to be in terms of my personal growth, maturity, where I need to be in life etc. without that cunt planet doing what it’s doing. Like Saturn is the planet of growth and responsibility, but its methods and blockages are making me stuck and delaying any sort of personal growth, it’s just so fucking arbitrary it’s like a screeching autist in the form of a planet. Saturnian magic is so unbelievably fucking useless too, I swear to God
>>42574934It's about managing auto destructive behavior with pleasure like enrolling copper in a ring making spies that pinch the skin of the finger, making new scars, experiencing the feeling of hurt and healing in your finger
>>42575430More like it’s about causing permanent disappointment in your life as it forces you to stay unemployed and in your mother’s basement, it gives nothing and takes everything
>>42575450your in pleasure, find the pain that will make you grow in a controlled environment , could be exercise
>>42575461The pain isn’t helping to make me grow, all there is is decay and rot
>>42575202For most people social isolation is a punishment. But for monk mode people it is the greatest blessing and only source of peace. >>42575215Each planet has heavenly and infernal spirits associated with it. This is something noted in astrology books that Saturn in the 12th house can make one a monk, saint, black magician or homeless. Its all the same sort of energy. >Are we talking about literal monks or are we talking about, you know, being on monk-mode? They're both the same type of energyBeing a professional card carrying monk versus a single guy with a job and no social life but a daily spiritual practice is similar energy. >>42575312Saturn brings hard times - sometimes its karma you gotta amend, sometimes its a trial to make you grow, sometimes its to make you detach. >>42575231They rejected the law of love remember?>>42575478Most people have a bad relationship with Saturn so the experience seems bad and they dont see the point of it. If you're a monk you might really value it even if you recognize its not fun.
>>42574934the embodiment of your father in law
>>42574934I wonder sometimes, what if we just nuke this planet? I mean youll probably lose a few hippie astrolologists, but no biggie.
>>42575734What if you want a family?
>>42575804Probably the effects of the planet would still keep on going, only it acts on where it would be if it were never nuked
>>42574934>frustratingVexing
>>42575883then you're a hylic and should gtfo
>>42574934>Saturn isn't helpfulmy god he gets it, everyone clap for him, yayyes, "help" comes from Jupiter, not SaturnSo why must Saturn exist?Because in order to achieve "victory" or "overcome" anything, there has to be adversity and conflict, enemies, bad things you don't like that stand in your way. Saturn is the "bad guy" so that we can have our drama and tell our stories and so we have dragons to slay. If you can't appreciate that, and you can't step outside your own tiny local singular ego and perspective to see the big picture for one second and actually appreciate it, then you're cooked my friend, you're ngmi, you have fallen off, you're done, pack it up faggot, just give up and kill yourself.
Friendly reminder that this is literally Satan as far as actual transcended beings of light are concerned. The very incarnation of evil is the Old and hideous devouring/destroying the young and beautiful in order to ensure it's stranglehold on power. Every time a young female dates the older/taller man, she in in that moment is Saturn devouring his son. Every time the lobbyist siphons opportunity from the youth in order to further languish the seniority, they are Saturn devouring his son. And every time we kick the can down the road, each and every one of us is Saturn devouring his innocent, beautiful son. That's what your whole human race has been for the longest time. And the ultimate irony is that time, just like the wolf to which it patronizes, is loyal to no one once hungry enough - not even to Chronos (Saturn).https://youtu.be/E6ZSQvHuBOs
it's a planet related to death, I think one lesson of Saturn is to show us that the dead, unconscious or matter also has consciousnessI think Saturn could be an material aspect of death, while perhaps Pluto is a more active aspect
>>42576919I agree with this pretty muchsaturn is death, but the indifferent, material aspect of it, like decay and rot, whereas pluto is more like "ego death", the psychological death of the self image and everything we value or give importance to. Saturn is like "mundane" death, whereas Pluto is "esoteric" death, or mystical death. I assign it to the qabalistic sephira of "Daath" and in my own framework, Pluto symbolizes crossing the Abyss, or just, the Abyss itself. The aspects of existence we are collectively and deeply terrified of, which haunt every single one of us deep in our bones.
>>42575478there is no such thing as suffering without growth
>>42577006suffering without growth would be the constant state of inaction
>>42577006surelike you can wrap wires and shit around a young treeit'll still grow but it turns out all twisted and uglysame thing with peoplegrowth =/= betterment
>>42574934Skill issue.
Saturn is a gas giant planetSaturn represents agriculture, time, and also a golden age without slaves or mastersSaturn also associated w El
>>42577057so you admit that growth occurs, just not in the direction you like
Saturn cultists get bent
>>42575026Also gives occult and hidden knowledge (I'm talking Picatrix level stuff), reveals secrets, also causes strong boundaries. Picatrix Saturn talismans reveal secrets, increase longevity, and make the bearer terrifying. It also *freezes* the bearer, which can be detrimental if worn to often, it freezes you into a passionless statue. Since it is at the end of the world, it rules magicians, demons and ghouls, as all of those entities are otherworldly.
>>42579493shut up and just keep believing grows means betterment, doltI'm obviously not gonna change your mind
