Is Shadow Work a tool for Theosis or Apotheosis?
Making union with evil is becoming evil. This isnt hard to understand, but many authors have window dressed the concept with lots of fluffThe concept comes up in psychedelic therapy. At some point youre gonna have a bad trip where you see youre a selfish prick who hurts other people. Shadow shills will tell you to double down on this and just accept that youre an evil prick and a sociopath (like some serial killers who mention they did lots of psychedelics). Or you can reject the evil and go on a spiritual renaissance journey trying to remove it.
>>42575744>go on a spiritual renaissance journey trying to remove it.Please tell me how
>>42575744too wordy, too flowery, too much stakes>>42575870>do bad thing>reflect>don't do bad thing next time if possible>repeat as able
>>42575870>>go on a spiritual renaissance journey trying to remove it.Just pick a religion and follow the path. Or make union with evil and become a psychopath, but convince yourself that shadows are your friend.The choice is yours.
>>42575956>Just pick a religion and follow the path.Which one, though? I willing but there are many that seem to worship dark forces
>>42575171Depends but I think it’s good. You become complete and recognize your true self. We are evil shit. Only then can you truly start to become good but without God you will never be good. You can only become good if you allow God/Jesus/Holy Spirit to guide you.
Depends how you frame it. Repentance is part shadow work, working towards theosisApotheosis is some heathen bs
>>42575744>Making union with evil is becoming evil.Understanding your capacity for evil and the the circumstances it would take for you to partake in such evil isn't the same thing than becoming evil.You are a midwit.
>>42576578>have psychedelic bad trip>realize your ego based competitiveness is hurting people, and your entire life is built around pride, greed and lust>this realization marks one going from unconscious evil to conscious evil>they either choose to reject the evil (aka a religious route) or they accept that they are evil but so is everyone else (aka making union with evil)>but much circumstances made me do evil thingsAnon if you didnt realize that evil and selfishness is a driving force for a large majority of your actions, then you didnt do the introspection properly. Gonna give the morality spectrum once again: A moral relativist thinks "if I dont sell drugs to the junkie, somebody else is just gonna do it"Moral purist "I dont want a drug dealer living in my neighborhood, and I dont want homeless people suffering". This morality spectrum example ties into the shadow work concept of psychedelic pioneer Alexander Shulgin. At some point he gets asked by an interviewer "do you feel like you have some responsibility for unleashing drugs into the world that get abused". And he says no I dont. Because hes a moral relativist who made union with his shadow."If I don't research these drugs and get the money and fame from it, somebody else is just gonna do it. And I not responsible for what other people do, just like Im not responsible if a kid finds a parents gun by mistake"
>>42576578>Understanding your capacity for evil and the the circumstances it would take for you to partake in such evil isn't the same thing than becoming evil.Yes it is. You are removing guilt around acting evil. Thats how the framing always goes ... "muh religious upbringing made me feel guilty about being selfish, but now I can confront that selfishness and remove the guilt and do the selfish things without guilt" Which is making union with evil
>>42575171You can incorporate it in either one.
>>42576683I don't care about your druggie schitzo rants, just address the subject as it is. You are putting words in my mouth and making assuptions based on nothing. You refused to even think about my sentence about recognizing your own capacity for evil because you're a druggie ideolog with no real interest in discussion. You refuse to even think about the acknowledgement of the capacity for evil without mixing it up with moral relativism or religious princibles. And you even convolute religious princibles with choosing to reject the evil.>>42576693You're even more retarded. You act like there's only one conclusion to the thought process of incorporating your shadow. You are not "removing the guilt" as you claim, by merely understanding basic psychology.
>>42575171if you haven't figured it out berzerker is the anti christ which is why the author died without concluding the story and as such we get a manga continuation by the other faggot who runs one piece which as we know is deeply occult
>>42576776Give us an example of what instead of shifting the goal posts by claiming your words dont mean what you saidShare with us how your own process of recognizing your evil inclination and "integrating your shadow" was something other than consciously adopting psychopathic behavior>You are a midwit.you know its actually the mark of a midwit to not be able to explain what they mean when someone calls them out on it being bullshit>You refuse to even think about the acknowledgement of the capacity for evilwell you never explained it did yah> You are not "removing the guilt" as you claimRemoving guilt of religious upbringing and societal pressure is literally a sales pitch used to promote shadow work
>>42575744There's no removing of essential nature, merely larping, fear, guilt tripping and broken people.
>>42576693So we arent allowed free reing of ourselves eh? You must lord over us and tell us whos boss?
>>42576972>Ask me to forgive you and give you permissionIt's much easier to slice your face
>>42577414>broken peoplewe're all broken. you have to break and break and break and break and break and break and break and break and break and break and break and break and break.that's what life is and why we are here
>>42577429No. Shadow works acceptace is honest. You're a wanker and you kinda go with it, whatever you use your wankery for is an entirely different matter
>>42575171>Shadow WorkIt's just realizing your personal "dark side" and stop projecting it on others. It's something every adult person should learn.
>>42575744>blind leading the blind
>>42575171apotheosis most likely as you integrate what was subconscious to you, you should become more whole than you previously were. theosis is the theoretical merge with god, at which point "you" would case to exist, and therefore no longer have a shadow to work with
>>42575744>don't you know only God the Father is good?
>>42576972Here's the flaw in your assumption. Also not that other person. Anyway.You assume that by not looking at your shadow, it goes away. It doesn't. It's still there raging and eating shit.You are just being willfully blind of that.Functionally this means you are probably a huge hypocrite lolThe point of "integrating your shadow" is putting a collar on it and understanding the driving forces behind why it was lashing out, then soothing that.Sounds to me you are just scared of the dark anon.
>>42579418Anon please share of concrete personalized example of what this means. >You assume that by not looking at your shadow, it goes away. Never assumed that. The sales pitched used by psychedelic pioneer Alexander Shulgin to promote shadow work is that when you were growing up people made you feel all sorts of guilt, and then you face that guilt and remove it. Which means you stop resisting the evil urge. >You assume that by not looking at your shadow, it goes away.Please share a concrete example of someone observing their shadow, and what sorts of useful outcomes they attain. >>42577418So your admitting I'm right. Hit the nail right on the head
>>42579558>Please share a concrete example of someone observing their shadow, and what sorts of useful outcomes they attainHuey long
>>42579558NTA but if I wanted to go the opposite route how could I do it? I want to purify and transcend my shadow
>>42579558Oh, so shadow work to you is whatever some guy sold people to lead them astray for his own benefit?I do understand that some people fail. That's the point. They could try again. They usually choose not to because the world rewards bad behavior.The people you exalt were just the ancient form of the modern machine.Same psyops. Same lies. Same murders. Same false piety.But we'll have to agree to disagree. You think yourself separate from the shadow, I think us all born from the shadow. It's a part of us all and a part of all material life. You are not above that, here. But we are also sparks of God living an experience and we will be released back to God as we always are.But just because the body is dirty doesn't mean it serves no function. God made these things for a reason, is my belief.Therefore, my belief is that "shadow work" is simply the work of actually looking at your own darkness that has always been a part of you, and trying to corral it in instead of naturally spewing it everywhere as people tend to do, unchecked.
>>42579587Religion. Read the Bible and there is vast amount of moral laws and ethics. Then reflect on your own vices and virtues. >purify and transcend my shadowYeah this is the good route. Better to live in a community of nice people working to be better people, rather than a community of psychopathic shadow integrators. >>42579585Anon you got to explain yourself because no-one knows who that is or what you mean. I would prefer an example from your own personal life, because shadow work was not even invented when this guy was alive.
>>42579558 reddit tier morons like you always think that the use of your shadow is purely evil, it's not because the way the world really works doesn't fit in to your harebrained morality system. the concept of using dangerous tools in the defence of others is a concept that dates back to the birth of western civilization, the same arguments made against firearms of all things, are the ones being made here. not everyone is evil and wants to hurt innocents you nigger, I think that's just you and buffalo bill
>>42579608>shadow work was not even invented when this guy was alive.let's just ignore machiavelli and the thousand plus years of occult work done up to that point
>>42579595>>42579611Anon your fluffing up a lot of strawmen and insultsBut can you share some personal insights and outcomes that shadow work has brought in your lifeWhy are you such as hard defender of shadow workWhy is shadow work mentioned so frequently by goetic sorcerors?
you are a reddit brained nigger who's morality boils down to >hurt bad
>>42579624>machiavelliMachiavelli was a psychopath. This is what I've been saying the whole time, that shadow work is just psychopathy. Thanks for clarifying and admitting I've been right the whole time
and im not even that anon you were arguing with in the 1st place
>Machiavelli was a psychopath. like i said, reddit brained cattle
you get your morality from youtube and headlines
>>42579646Actually I get it from the Bible which teaches heavenly wisdom, but denounces worldly wisdom like the psychopathy of Machiavelli as being "of the devil" and the ///shadows of hell///
>>42579608In order to understand it properly, it's advisable and important to he aware of one's shadow, right? You are saying that it's how you handle it that can potentially be an issueBecause as I understand it you are saying we all have a shadow and once we are aware of it you can purify it or integrate it
>the hylic thinks his god scares meyour god boasts regularly in his book about the wholesale slaughter of innocents, and you think i care about your judgment?
>>42579666>You are saying that it's how you handle it that can potentially be an issueYeah pretty much. You can use the experience to become a psychopath or a saint depending which direction you go. From a religious lens you would never use the terms "integrate your shadow" and "working with shadows" though. Shadow working is heavily promoted in black magic circles because they use it is a tool to remove guilt about doing bad shit. >>42579668You're admitting that I'm right once again. The guy who loves shadow work reveals himself as being a psychopath that hates religion
>>42579700>black magic circles because they use it is a tool to remove guilt about doing bad shit.How would white magic circles or religuous circles name the encounter with the shadow? If black magic tends to call it "shadow work" what would be the name for the process by which one tries to purify one's shadow?
>psychopath that hates religionthe hylic is very confusedyou are nothing but a extension of the demigure
>>42575171Retarded new age girl speak
>>42579836child
>>42576783You are crazy Guts is the opposite of an anti-Christ. Now Griffith definitely is the anti-Christ. Fuck Griffith.
>>42575171shadow work is based on the naive assumption that the only stuff rattling around in your head is you one of the more depressing realities of occultism is that once your internal energies are damaged to a certain degree your resistance to malevolent influences drops off a cliff/pol/ has a good number of stories of this where catching this decay before it takes root and making improvements to health and energetics can rebound you from a host of fucked up thoughts and desires.and religion is far from the reliable defense against this people want to believe it is it might have some petty protections given how occult schools pick away at their predecessors but a sporadic mix of bullshit and minor protections at best is only going to delay this shit a bit and given just how much of what people are told is good is just cons.much of the more ignorant flailing is just going to cement the rot. one of satans greatest tricks was convincing people damnation only happens after death it is absolutely an observable phenomena and common one
>>42580041That made me question many things Anon. If damnation can happen before one's death, does that mean that there's such thing as an unforigivable sin? I thought that meant wilfully hardening one's heartWhat can one do against evil entities? Are we completely defenseless?
i dont know these theories but shadows come and go seen no harmenergy vampires are nasty
>>42579558>Please share a concrete example of someone observing their shadow, and what sorts of useful outcomes they attain.Carl Jung in his Red book.>inb4 actually Jung is an evil demon
>>42579936nah you just do not want to see guts story for what it isactually a very old /x/ topic and fits this specific threadguts shadow wolf is the rage/vengence accumulated through orchestrated trauma slowly consuming him to the point of attacking everything that movesthe real god above the god hands is going to be guts embracing his final form as a destroyer of worldsare you really ready to get your entire perception shifted? Or are you just gonna stay in the sleep state simping for valhalla?anyway its all ritualdo you really expect it to be a story with a happy ending just because guts is winning the fights? His entire path is already shown in the form of the skeleton king
>>42579628That's a different anon. I like how you completely dismissed by calm rebuttal because you cannot speak against it.Because all of your arguments are nothing but a big cope for being afraid of your own darkness. So you will construct an entire world where you are special and perfect and clean in an unclean world.You have darkness. The sooner you admit that, the sooner you can be better. Else you'll die a hypocrite. Oh well, it happens.
>>42579723>If black magic tends to call it "shadow work" what would be the name for the process by which one tries to purify one's shadow?Just read the Bible because each story has a moral lesson and causes you to focus on your flaws and sins and repentance and atonement.That's the religious way to do it. >black magic tends to call it "shadow work"Yeah because they follow the reverse process of becoming a crafty psychopath who doesnt feel guilty.Remember that satanist banker interview with a dutch guy, who said the beginning of his initiation into the dark world of elite banking he was told to "lock away his conscience in a freezer". Thats the same issue black magicians encounter - how to become a crafty and guiltless psychopath.
>>42580294Anon tell us the exact example of how he followed this process and the outcomes he had.Nobodies gonna read an entire book just because some anonymous commenter name droppedRemember your last example of machiavelli proved me exactly right>>42580349Anon I'm saying to follow the Christian path of reading the Bible to reveal your flaws to you and the process of overcoming them. I'm not denying that people have darkness at all. I'm rejecting the "shadow work" concept that promotes of non-religious method, of "integrating the shadow", which means becoming an evil guiltless psychopath.
You don't mind if I ignore you do, ya? 'god"
>>42580384>I'm rejecting the "shadow work" concept that promotes of non-religious method, of "integrating the shadow", which means becoming an evil guiltless psychopath.I'm rejecting your definition of "shadow work"This is why I said we should agree to disagree. Your entire premise is faulty to me, frankly. You have decided that because someone chose to hide behind self-improvement to obscure their own evils that the concept of self-improvement is evil. I think this is an error in thought.>>42580384No. You have google.
>>42580469Not him but I think I know what he means, I will use an extreme example. Let's say a girl gets raped and can't cope with it. Some victims become hypersexual as a result or kinky as a way to reclaim what happened to them and give them a false sense of controlI think he means that integrate those feelings would mean that said girl should let go of her shame and accept that's a part of her (her being hypersexual and into bdsm, even if it's a cope) and embrace itWhile the other option is face that shame and instead process it and realize that what happened to her didn't define her and forgive herself
>>42580542That's an extreme example, not applicable to the average person. For the average person what is more applicable is that they have some selfish actions and guilt and ego that they will work through. I will repeat the Alexander Shulgin sales pitch again:>take psychedelics with intent to introspect your personality>this causes "dark night of the soul" nightmare trip for most people where you see your own ego, defense mechanisms, repressed guilt and insecurities>Mr Shulgin specifically mentions the guilt of your parents and teachers telling you not to do shit. "Always tell the truth, share your toys, dont do drugs, etc">you now have a choice to remove the guilt and accept your evil actions which is called "integrating your shadow". >Or you have a choice to reject the shadow and try to become a better person. This is a common redemption path where people decide to become religious, take care of their health, spend time with their family and live with love>Mr Shulgin is promoting the first path of accepting the evilAnyone with a religious background should reject the shadow work path as taught by Mr Shulgin. There are also many black magicians and affiliated people who teach similar things in shadow working. >>42580469Anon I'm asking you to write out an example, not to name drop an entire book
>>42580542>I think he means that integrate those feelings would mean that said girl should let go of her shame and accept that's a part of her (her being hypersexual and into bdsm, even if it's a cope) and embrace itCorrect. Shadow work typically tells you to embrace the shadow. >While the other option is face that shame and instead process it and realize that what happened to her didn't define her and forgive herselfEh sort of. But work through a religious path. If you start feeling love on a religious path, that is a path of healing for many people. They were looking to find something with drugs and self-help and ambition, but really they were just looking for love and God. IMO your average weekly Catholic mass attender has way better love, peace and mental health than a non-religious person
>>42575744Recognizing the capacity for evil within you is not making union with it. It is called shadow work because you are shining a light down into what is usually complete darkness. People who never look into their unconscious are the ones we end up calling "being united with evil" because their shadows never are differentiated from the unenlightened darkness as such. Shadow work is illuminating your unconscious to see where you capacity for evil and evil tendencies actually lie, so you can apprehend their shape and power, not to necessarily befriend them, but to domesticate them, and bind them to serve your will instead of usurping it. This is by the way, what God will do with repentant demons on the final judgment. They will be like heavenly pet animals in terms of their role and leashing. Do this with your evil and it can be channeled for good.
>>42580074If you don't feel damned keep doing what you're doing and don't stray from your path
>>42580886>and bind them to serve your will instead of usurping it.So become a machiavellian?This is just window dressing on becoming a psychopath. Please prove me wrong by providing a concrete example of some internal evil you recognized within yourself, and what the outcome of "shadow integrating" this evil was.
>>42577429Ywnbaw
>>42581207not who you replied to but honestly if you are a natural empathetic individual it makes sense to integrate parts of the shadow to have defense against the real psychopathsyou see its the same coin but with different sides you either choose to employ the tactics of drama or you feel disgusted by using the methods because you are aware how it fucks with your spirit...its a choice of alignmentanyone and everyone could be a pimp selling drugs while killing people yet what stops us isn't the lock itself but the decency to not go in even if the door is wide open
>>42581207You lack reading comprehension
>>42580384>Nobody's gonna read a book anon>btw go read the bible
>>42581604>and bind them to serve your will instead of usurping it.Provide of a personalized example of how learning to use evil rather than removing evil demonstrates something other than psychopathy>>42581466> it makes sense to integrate parts of the shadow to have defense against the real psychopathsExplain what you mean with an example. By integrating the shadow are you:>studying evil>learning to wield evil>trying to remove evil>processing sufferingIf the purpose is to learn to wield evil you are just becoming a psychopath yourself>>42581778So you cant provide a single example?Your previous example was machiavelli, which is psychopathy, which proved my entire argument to be correct from the beginning
>>42581949well an example would be something like boss calling me on an off day while i actually ignore that call even tho legit have the availabilityits more about creating a wall between a narcissist who constantly abuses your unending need to help others via the illusion of appreciationby understanding evil you process suffering and you learn to be defensive when it comes to exploitation of the good naturealternatively yes what you are saying is indeed possibleyou can actually completely go the joker path and decide to turn into a psychopath via full ego immersion of superiority via psychical+mental dominationalot of ai voiceovers in relation to this are indeed this type of integration so i tend to agree with you that ultimately it empowers greed and pride to the highest levelhowever something to notefundamentally it requires correlation between your own memories otherwise it doesn't make any sensei wouldn't say i have integrated the shadow its more transmutation of feelings after the cup was drained from constant barrage of people sucking my essence so i wouldn't know anything more about the actual process because for me personally it was a transmutation to recover myself instead of integration by rebirth...i just refuse to kill the old me cause for real my path isn't wrong the world is LOL
>>42581147I do feel damned, or at least something dangerously close to that. Please, what can I do?
>>42582861Focus on the blessings and, what some anons said, recognize evil within you and get away from it. There's not much to say, most important thing is doing
>>42580041>>42581147>>42583360Are you the same Anon?
>>42575956why should they>pickfall for the false dichotomy that is joining any legion of ra (ralegion?)maybe they should just accumulate knowledge instead and stay autonomous
>>42576783Tell me more about who runs one piece and the occult stuff. I do find it weird that most one piece fans are homosexuals and feminists
>>42580041interesting.so that is why the agenturists of the demiurge damage new goyim already in the womb, then quickly after birth and then all the time they are a live. so that their physical body and minds are all the time weakened, even from the start already.this leasd to the compound effect that since they are damaged from the start their proclivity for evil and sinning ect are increased so overall evil and sinning in the world are increased.so, since you know these things, please to expound on advanced techniques to fight the rot successfully and to not get damned in the end then?also total obliteration of the canaanite mafia, when?
>>42575744retard alert
