What did David Lynch know about the occult?
hmmm i kinda feel like he mostly just went with whatever came to him. aka he just made shit upi don't think he has much real links to the occult
>>42577648A lot probably. It seemed like a special interest of his that heavily influenced the stories he told. I like that he avoided explaining it, too, and just let the audience soak it in like a fever dream.
>>42577653Not wanting to explain his art or just doing whatever he wanted, doesn't mean he didn't have some knowledge, thoughts don't come out of nowhere, they are always rooted in something, David Lynch probably knew a lot about the occult and the subtle world, Twin Peaks, for example, is full of those concepts and themes. A smart man who knows a lot about the world doesn't need to use a template for his work, he can just do whatever comes to mind.
>>42577968i ain't shitting on him, i just think he wanted to do things in a way that only he could.
>>42577648Very little. He was just a artfag who was obsessed with his dreams and eventually discovered Fellini, Kubrick, Hitchcock and Wilder and realized how kino classic cinema was.
Frost was the one who was into the "occult" proper. David linked into it with his Transcedental Meditation practice which isn't that far off from guided study for an earnest and seeking mind.
>>42577648Zig Zag Wanderer
>>42577653Yeah right, he literally depicted the spirit world accurately and clearly knows a lot about masonic stuff even back in the 90's before most normies could just look this stuff up.He's in the club.
>>42577648A lot of his work showed he was deep in occult>mk-ultraespecially Blue velvet is almost semi-biographical, where in his younger days he was a bit of a pervert and somehow managed to get in woth wrong crowd of human trafficers of beta sex slave kittens.These mk ultra women were also shown in Mulholland drive (theatre scene) and more on your face in Inland Empire where the whole theme of the film was about saving these mind controlled women.
>>42577648a lot
>>42579037of cigerettes
>>42577653This. It was surface level stuff used in superficial ways by a typical Hollyweird type who regurgitated it out into artsy fartsy form. I use shit like Twin Peaks as a way to filter out people with worthless opinions about the occult.
>>42577648An official instagram account of the Polish O.T.O posted a photo of the Black Lodge so i assume Twin Peaks is Thelemic.>picrelOne Thelemic theme of the show is the Dweller On The Threshold (Choronzon)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyZOadgO4DIhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChoronzonAnd another is the Scarlet Woman, whose name is Lil (Lilith?)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ug-p6vg8vIhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babalon
>>42577648Mulholland Dr. is about trauma-based mind control and is an actual street located in the Hollywood Hills close to Laurel Canyon/Lookout Mountain. Billy Ray Cyrus even told you, "without Mulholland Dr. and David Lynch, there is no Hannah Montana"What did he mean by that?
>>42579144>Twin Peaks is ThelemicBump. Laura Palmer is Horus/Venus, the magician initiated through sexual abuse. TP showcased their struggles and the ways they can act really good and really bad.
>>42578402>he's in the clubThe David Lynch Foundation used celebrities Laura Dern, Paul McCartney, Moby, Clint Eastwood, Martin Scorcese, Katy Perry, Eddie Vedder, Mike Love, Sarah Silverman, Chris Rock, Liv Tyler, Hugh Jackman, Julia Louis-DreyfusAnd many more..
Jennifer Syme who played a role in Lost Highway with Church of Satan member Marilyn Manson, became the wife of Keanu Reeves. She died 4/2/2001 (nr of rabbit hole Alice in Wonderland) on Sunset Boulevard, like River Phoenix, after a party with Marilyn Manson. Lynch dedicated Mulholland Drive (Diane-Camille) to her, her last film Elle Parker (=Camilla Parker, with Naomi Watts) was released posthumously like Brandon Lee.Syme died in an automobile collision at the age of 28 on April 2, 2001, shortly after she and Reeves had reunited.
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>>42579171yeah a lot of Alice in Wonderland symbolism too.
>>42577648Not much past 3rd rate eastern mysticism,twin peak occult stuff was all Mark Frost, everything else is just vague enough for retards to ''read'' whatever they search for into it.
>>42577648Nothing because the occult isn't fucking real.
I think he was a sincere artist, and all sincere artists are bringing form in from some place beyond material. He said so himself. The occult seems to act as a middle man between common humanity and this "Beyond Material". I suspect they deliberately target artists subliminally rather than overt collusion between artists and occultists. Pic Related.From Whence come dreams anyway?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em3XplqnoF4
>>42579161Jesus fucking christ I looked up the source for this and not only was the AV CLub article removed but with hindsight this is sick. The entire article has this knowing mockery to it...>Unfortunately, it may be too late, and that battle between dark and light may have already claimed Miley Cyrus, whose next “scandal” could well involve her regurgitating the giant serpent that will swallow us whole, or maybe getting caught drinking a light beer. You never know! Either way, Billy Ray Cyrus will be sad.https://web.archive.org/web/20131005004327/http://www.avclub.com/articles/billy-ray-cyrus-says-the-devil-and-david-lynch-des,51867/?mobile=true
I worked in the adult film industry mostly in the SFV (some LA proper) from 2002-2008. I can tell you that it was exceedingly rare to meet a producer or director or actor who was not OTO affiliated. I knew quite a few actors personally, and I cant think of one who wasn't in OTO. Don't know if the industry is still like that but I don't see why it wouldn't be. I grew up in the Midwest, and I'm telling you, that whole area has a strange, oppressive vibe. Glad to be away from there.
>>42579171Horus is Male though...
>>42579244Sick...
He has full lectures on mindfulness and consciousness. Why not just watch one?
>>42577648He was more just really into the metaphysics and atmosphere of dreams, it was Mark Frost who was the studied occultist and incorporated a lot of lore from Theosophy and Tibetan Buddhism into twin peaks.
>>42579198This was based on a JG Ballard novel, and Ballard has a lot of occult and conspiratorial stuff in his works.
>>42580080Lynch's library was posted by his family and he had about two tons of TM + Maharishi Yogi material vs a single book of Blavatsky likely picked up because of Mark Frost's occult autism
>>42580173>Lynch's library was posted by his familyWhere?
Lynch's library was auctioned off it seems, picrel are some of his esoteric books from the auction listing.
These are some of his transcendental meditation books.
More transcendental meditation books.
Even more Yogic books (he really had an osession)
These ones aren't really "esoteric" but still spiritually interesting.
And this is the final one it seems in terms of esotericism.I'm actually surprised that Lynch was reading William Cooper of all people, i wonder if his copy of "Behold a Pale Horse" is the censored one... IYKYK
>>42577648He knew the true nature of magic and like all who do he became like an extraordinarily jaded fuck who despised having made anything ever for abject homunculi that did not appreciate it, but especially hateful toward his younger more naive self for having more passion than he was able to put forth later on as a result of being disillusioned.Textbook.
>>42577648Blue Eisenhower Novemberhttps://youtu.be/axw-BaVmKP4
>>42580845What do the red curtains and checkered floor mean?
>>42577968>Twin Peaks, for example, is full of those concepts and themes.I've always heard this was more Frost than Lynch, but never seen it corroborated.
>>42581257>but never seen it corroboratedhis book The Secret History of Twin Peaks makes it pretty clear. Goes on about Jack Parsons, UFO's and so on. But their collaboration is what makes it so special.
Anyone who knows about zigzag patterns and black and white things, if they aren't a conspiracy theorist, they are the conspirac, in other words, reptilians.
>>42577648He probably got a first hand experience from his colleagues
>>42577648> bragging about playing in yaldabaoth's remains and fucking your soul in the processWhy do you guys love this dumb shit. The egyptians considered this the dumbest thing you could do w/ highest consequence and then here's you guys writing the books on it acting like you are harboring some grand secret.. fuckin idiots.
>>42581234several things. first it's a homage to Kubrick and a play on reversed words (red room = redrum, murder backwards.) second, because of that, it refers to the murder of a child in a masonic/etc. ritual, joining the black lodge so to speak requires participation in what they call a black mass. the checkered floor symbolizes the material world and the red curtains are the veil between worlds (the red chakra, the root chakra which when activated via rape allows one to 'walk with fire' and interact with the lodge spirits.)
>>42577648He and Mark Frost were very well-informed. The entirety of Twin Peaks is both a Thelemic ritual as well as a Dharmic dream. Hindu, Buddhist, Gnostic, alchemy, and New Age spirituality are strong influences on the story.>>42581234Freemason symbols. The Red Room is the middle area between both lodges, the crimson veil that creates the illusion that both Lodges are separate entities. It is also the Id/Red Chakra, associated with Mars/Saturn.The checkered floor represents duality (man and woman, order and chaos, black and white, positive and negative) and the material realm.There's also the not-so-obvious aspect with the curtains: it's a stage show, a performance, a magic act. Everything is pre-determined on a stage, but every performance is unique. Nothing is "real" but we make it real by observing and perceiving the play.All the world's a stage, etc.
>>42577648when you think about it the occult really can't be definitionally a set of elements, it needs to be fully peculiar - like an aesthetic, that's always fully interpretable, when that's fully commited aesthetics. if anything he did arts in the fullest sense on TV which is rare, and that's the closest to the occult you can get on TV. people who pretend the occult is a set of defined beliefs that can be categorized are pseud bullshiters
>>42580690iirc, his daughter claims they kept some of his books so it's not a complete listing - though I don't believe he was a grand occultist personally
>>42581938Lynch only knew vedic and maharishi associated philosophy, I doubt he knew anything about gnosticism or alchemy. he was pretty open about his interests and there's plenty of footage of him excitedly explaining vedic and TM tenets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYHulUlcXSE
>>42581938> He and Mark Frost were very well-informed. The entirety of Twin PeaksIs Babylonian, Enuma Elis, Ur, Uruk.The Twin Peaks are : LebanonZagros MountainsThe lengths people go to obscure things and then fein expertise in the intentional obscurity is quite ouroboric. > Freemason symbols. The Red Room is the middle area between both lodges, the crimson veil that creates the illusion that both Lodges are separate entities. It is also the Id/Red Chakra, associated with Mars/Saturn.Gate 5 of the Duat. A Gate nothing can 'cross'. Even where Satan/Yaldabaoth is burning as we speak.. the process takes space-time. People confuse this as a place without eternal [a verse] consequence. It's sad how ignorant it is.> checkered FloorsWelcome to Cubits and what the Egyptians were doing where you've ended up back with computing. I'm convinced most western/esoteric occult are simply excursions/inversion, and Yaldabaoth Gate 5 Hylic Playground foolishness than anything of substance. The abrahamics for you. None of this 'put on a play for the world shit' is beyond one common spell from the book of the dead. Stupid asses still putting on plays after fanning it out to 96 degrees. LOL, the amount of spiritual time you've burned and spiritual debt for 1000s of years..#Gate 5 #Cooked #ammit zig zag the tards
Probably like 2 or 3 things
>>42582625-10,000,000,000 izzat
Just that it...Circulates decays and mutates...Much like other ecosystems...
>>42577648david lynch was only allowed because he made depressive/psychotic shitExcept his dune, but he got raped and embarrassed.
>>42581234Pinch your eyes in an epsom salt bathtub while the shower is raining down. That astral connection might lead to you seeing a swirling vortex of checkerboard patterns (more houndstooth for me). Sometimes a plasmic entity will appear on the other side. They get lost in the tapdance for the orchestra.
>>42577648Impossible to know. I think Lynch has revealed many things about the occult and the occult lore of this world by "catching the big fish" and not even realizing the magnitude of the information he catched. Which is genius. Twin Peaks for instance, it's hardcore disclosure masked by whimsy and romance. And it's the good type of disclosure, not the nihilistic "negotiate with the devil" partial disclosure of the Matrix and other media:>doesn't try to desensitize the spectator, the suffering is relentlessly pictured as pungent, spiritually wrong and disturbing >it offers meaning in the small things in life>it reveals archons and the loosh farms>it reveals spirituality as something directly connected to interdimentional activity>it suggests that the activity of supernatural evil was triggered by human institutions>the depiction of some FBI agents and law enforcement as chilled out, human empaths, was the perfect mask to not alarm the glowniggersLynch haven't even noticed the level of red pill he was dropping.
>>42583752disclosure of what? I already mentioned what here : >>42582625>>42581834It's that easy. Now what did I miss? I guarantee not one of you understand what I detailed and what it means NOR can explain what the big secrets are that he unlocked? Fucking up at Gate 5 is now 'catching the big fish in Babylonia'.. Amazing.
>>42577648Barely anything at best. Beyond the generic american conspiracy lore.He was a post-modernist and his works are cinematic versions of Rorschach stains, where the audience is supposed to create and see meaning out of the hodgepodge of themes and symbols.
Also, the last season of Twin Peaks was insultingly atrocious. It's like he deliberately killed everything that was good about the franchise just to milk the audience for some memberberries.
>>42583950missed the point>>42583752some of those were Mark Frost; he's the one familiar with the Jack Parsons/OTO lore and obviously knows a bit about Blavatsky
>>42577648>What did David Lynch know about the occult?Probably not very much beyond some basic Freemasonry stuff. Twin Peaks was an incoherent mess. Eraserhead is unwatchable. He was really great at finding interesting things where it shouldn't exist (the core of his absurdist movies) and this was probably a result of Transcendental Mediation. He was mostly a bullshit artist
>>42583764>The lengths people go to obscure things and then fein expertise in the intentional obscurity is quite ouroboric.>It's that easy. Now what did I miss? I guarantee not one of you understand what I detailed and what it means NOR can explain what the big secrets are that he unlocked? Fucking up at Gate 5 is now 'catching the big fish in Babylonia'.. Amazing.I'd venture to call you a hypocrite, care to demystify?
>>42578402>he literally depicted the spirit world accurately and clearly knows a lot about masonic stuffDid he though? Is the spirit world really some weird interaction between entities brought into the world after the tritinty nuclear test? It's an idea valued, not for it's merit, but by how the story was told. It's a pretty basic bitch understanding of metaphysics, Lynch was just smart enough to wait 25 years between season 2 and 3 so it felt like you were being exposed to secret knowledge. And even when he did provide this "knowledge," it wasn't exposed overtly, it was hinted at in a manner that was subject to interpretation. Lynch understood a basic truth of storytelling. Namely, that people don't want resolution. They want mystery. He was a master at stroking the audience's dick, but stopping just before the audience was about to come, which caused people to want more.
>>42579144first video went down. what scene is that? my chorozon/tp thread died.
>>42583752>Twin Peaks for instance, it's hardcore disclosure masked by whimsy and romanceIt really wasn't. The whimsy existed because ABC needed a TV friendly show and that's how Lynch and Frost sold it to them. It was immediately popular because it was a different flavor of pulp fiction, but it was still pulp fiction. This wasn't by design. Lynch always wanted to make the show like Season 3, which honestly sucked, but he needed ABC to fund it. Twin Peaks was the accidental fusion of a soap opera, Lynch's brand of absurdism, and Frost's understanding of the esoteric. I don't think anyone involved truly understood why it succeeded until it stopped succeeding. I think most involved still don't understand how and why Season 1 and half of Season 2 were sublime. Which is why the whole thing fell apart.
>>42584192You can see the secret doctrine in Lynch's book auction above...this got me thinking more about the hobos:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9HyS9T75Pw
>>42584435that's what I was referring to, yes. the paucity of occult books compared to his mountain of TM and vedic material shows where his heart really was
>>42583764Check yourself, you miserable sperg. Just because you emphasized a specific spectrum of symbology you know doesn't mean you own the fucking discussion. >>42584383Yeah, I really forgot that came from the industry and Frost. But if you watch other Lynch movies you will see the whimsy is there, just different from Twin Peaks and a bit more psychotic. I take the general weirdness and psychosis of his works as a very effective mask for the messages he captured, and not only in TP. Eraserhead, Mullholand Drive, Inland Empire, et cetera. The liminal points between the unconsciousness and the esoteric. In Twin Peaks, Lynch was the actual psychic, Frost was the scholar. >which honestly suckedI think it's amazing. Well, my point is to say that a guy doesn't need to be a scholar in occultism to fathom the occult or to express hidden truths behind our history. A guy just need to be a dreamer, an observer, an inspired artist, to be whimsical and a bit psychotic. I know that tends to piss off people who believe in the grind, like schizos researching conspiracy rabbit holes or autistic "scholars" of the occult. But magic only requires that from people with no natural talent on magic.
>>42583483Phosphenes?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene
>>42581924>>42581938The red drapes and black & white floor remind me of the Thelemic Gnostic Mass Altar.>The Crimson Altar Cloth.In Crowley's religion of Thelema, crimson represents the passion of life, the energy of the divine feminine (Babalon), and the life-force or blood that connects all living things.>The Great Veil.The High Altar is enclosed within a great hanging veil. This veil represents the boundary between the manifest, material world and the unmanifest, divine universe.>The Counterchanged Pillars.The Gnostic Mass uses two pillars counterchanged in black and white flanking the altar. These represent the ultimate equilibrium of opposites, light and darkness, masculine and feminine, Yin and Yang, balanced perfectly in the sacred space.Aleister Crowley heavily adapted early O.T.O. rituals from Freemasonry. In actual Masonic lodges, the Mosaic Pavement (the black-and-white checkered floor) is a foundational element which mainly represents the duality of existence and human life, (which is checkered with both good and evil, joy and sorrow).It also represents a balanced foundation which reminds the initiate that, while the material world is entirely dualistic, one must walk straight across it without stumbling, maintaining an internal balance.(Which Cooper clearly didn't when he ran away from his Shadow).
>>42577648He joined Transcendental Mediation which was a Hindu grift that was so laughable even Ringo Starr was like “this is a load of shit, give me me bangers and mash”, so Lynch can’t be THAT smart
>>42585090So what you are saying is that Twin Peaks is more a reflection of Freemasonry than Thelema. Because everything you just posted about existed in Freemasonry before Thelema was a thing.
>>42585137>freemasonry and parsons/OTO references only in twin peaks>almost completely absent in his other movies or worksmark frost is likely a freemason, or at least well read on it and OTO shit
>>42584764>I think it's amazing.To each their own, but most people wanted some kind of closure of the story Lynch and Frost started to tell. They wanted to see Cooper, they didn't want some brainless version of him for 16 episodes and then he becomes Cooper again when he sticks a fork in a light socket which brings old Cooper back for some reason. And they didn't want to see shit like Audrey married to a cripple. Twin Peaks worked because you had extremely hot people and characters you enjoyed mixed with the paranormal. The exploration of Bob and Judy was ok. But the rest was just Lynch teasing the audience with a story they wanted hear and he instead gave them some basic bitch gnostic metaphor.
>>42579229> "How much do you know about Lord of The Rings?"> Errrrrm, ectually, you can't know anything about Lord of The Rings because it isn't real. There are no facts concerning it.
>>42585184>they didn't want to see him for 16 episodesmark frost claimed they only worked on 8 episodes together, the dougie sideplot and the other 8 episodes were all lynch doing his own thing>gnostic metaphorlynch doesn't know the first thing about gnosticism, his ideas about conflicting selves is from vedic literature https://youtu.be/cvrihQS0T1A?t=2282
>>42585137See>>42585173>>42579144The show leans more into Thelema and Mark Frost's books confirm it.The copy of Aleister Crowley's "Moonchild" on picrel also has a symbol eerily similar to the Owl Cave symbol/Rune in Twin Peaks.
>>42585213>lynch doesn't know the first thing about gnosticismHe really didn't need to know much about gnosticism because it wasn't a great metaphor. Yeah a lot of this was Frost, but Lynch had to be involved with the construction of the major story arc and stuff like the exploration of Bob and Judy, planetary alignments making the veils between worlds thinner, and shadow selves. We aren't talking about complex metaphor here. It was basically just core Masonic beliefs surrounded by some very hot, young people and a simple murder mystery plot.
>>42585258"if there is coherent stuff, I'll have to give credit to Mark" other selves and mysterious places where souls go to rest is in his other stuff without occult connotations (green suit guy in inland empire, dougie jones, club silencio in mulholland)
Golden Dawn Lodges also have the red curtain motif.
>>42585300With a checkerboard floor. Lynch's floors are black and white but contain the "twin peaks" pattern, which I personally interpret as a variation of the Masonic compass.
>>42585318They seem like waves to me.Trinangle waves.Carl Jung frequently used the sea (or ocean) as a primary metaphor for the unconscious.In the first season the red room appears in a dream of cooper's, it might be his own mind and the demons are archetypes inside of it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDTxN4dbN3ECheck out the link, the scene is quite telling, i think it's all in his head.
>>42585331In masonic terms, i think the red room is the "Mind Palace".https://www.thesquaremagazine.com/mag/article/202302the-mind-palace/
>>42585331yeah, twin peaks is just ripped off from st elsewhere
>>42585227>The copy of Aleister Crowley's "Moonchild" on picrel also has a symbol eerily similar to the Owl Cave symboMaybe. I interpret the Owl Cave symbol as being a novel symbol invented for the show based on the Masonic triangle and square with a variation of the "twin peaks of boaz and joachim" being the separate parts of the masonic compass forming the two peaks. But I honestly don't think there is a correct answer here. Lynch was a master at hooking people with things inherently interesting but not necessarily rational (absurdism). My gut tells me Lynch was trying to be "esoteric-ish" by including symbols that seem interesting and meaningful but were not necessarily part of a coherent belief system. So he probably saw some Thelema OTO bullshit in Hollywood and saw that it was similar to the Masonic stuff he grew up with in Montana so he tried to find the essence of what made them meaningful and included that in his show. Either that or he heard Frost blathering on about stuff and he incorporated that because it was intrinsically interesting and didn't care about how or why the symbols were interesting.
>>42585371cooper and friends finding an ancient indian burial ground is so un-lynch, it's likely he didn't write that scene or come up with the idea in the first place
In season 2 he enters the red room via an oil pool in the grove, i believe this is a form of hydromancy.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydromancy>picrelI believe cooper peeked inside of his own mind through scrying with the pool.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dumUElmlVJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VOf3CBGvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e8sE6nyi2U
>>42585385that's incorrect since windom earle entered before cooper
>>42585394Also used the same method?Both of them lost themselves after doing it.
>>42585399iirc cooper ran into windom earle and saw him disposed of by BOB. annie was in it, leland's spirit was in it in the return, etc etc
>>42585331>Carl Jung frequently used the sea (or ocean) as a primary metaphor for the unconsciousThis is probably closest to the truth. Absurdism had its roots in Jungian philosophy. The notion that a collective unconsciousness exists and "meaningful" symbols emanate from this collective is central to Absurdism. Postmodernism and the concepts of deconstruction (before deconstruction was co-opted by radical feminists and the political left) are based on exactly what Lynch was doing in many of his scenes. A lot of his most poignant moments were found when he "kept the cameras rolling" past where the script had ended to see where the scene would naturally go. In all honestly, I think Lynch just thought that pattern looked cool and spooky and didn't give it a second thought as to why it looked cool and spooky.
>>42585404The waves of the lodge would be explained by the hydromancy (water waves with light) no?Do you think it isn't a psychological allegory?>>42585408Lynch wasn't the type of person to just use a pattern because it looked cool, he was so meticulous in detail (like kubrick) that even the license plates had meaning.>picrel
>>42585331TP is Jungian in several areas. The arm comes about as a result of being "cut off" in stead of being properly integrated
>>42585461The ARM also resembles a nervous system.
>>42580946Elaborate?
>>42585427lynch rarely comes up with this imagery so they can be "solved" or "explained", he says this in nearly every interview about his work. the other 90% is talking about his devotion to vedic philosophy and the teachings of maharishi. of course, /x/ refuses to accept this.
>>42585494>the teachings of maharishi.For two reasons, the first being that TM is a retarded jeet scam where you pay some retarded jeet to "teach" you how to repeat a mantra and sit in silence twice a day. The second being the imagery in Lynch's work itself, which almost begs for an interpretation. Most anons don't realize this is just Lynch putting his jeet teachings into use by creating what is essentially a puzzle without an answer in order to get the audience to return for more mental puzzles that Lynch will, in turn, never answer. Lynch is an esoteric scam artist. We still wouldn't know who killed Laura Palmer if it wasn't for network intervention.
>>42585427>Lynch wasn't the type of person to just use a pattern because it looked cool,That is exactly what Lynch was and exactly why you are still talking about him. You wouldn't even be talking about him if he didn't put three of the hottest teenagers he could find in Seasons 1-2 (Flynn-Boyle, Fenn, and Amick). It was all about the aesthetic to him. And it's all about the aesthetic for you too, if you are being honest with yourself.
>>42585461>TP is Jungian in several areasIt really isn't. Jungian archetypes arose from a Western medical and psychological background. It was an attempt to explain, rationally and logically, the similarities between different cultures and their myths that should not exist. Thus, the concept of the collective unconscious and universal archetypes. TP is some new-age horseshit celebrities began peddling in the 1960s because it seemed cool to revolt against Christianity with a no-effort "method" of "meditation." They are not the same.
>>42577648(((Lynch))) was a glowie
>>42586146>(((Lynch))) was a glowieKinda. Twin Peaks was mostly good press for the FBI so I'm pretty sure they were financing part of Twin Peaks.
>>42579223The guy on the right looks like he is a hybrid of Norm MacDonald & David Cameronm
>>42577648Almost all of lynch's work seems to point towards spirits that feed off of pain and suffering. A lot of the work in my opinion seems similar to the theories of alister crawley. Even in twin peaks the return it's heavily implied the first atomic test unleashed some type of evil into this world
>>42586146>>42586771proofs>>42587162>ww2 unleashed great evilmark frost probably>>42585622a scam artist wouldn't admit that "eternal mystery" was the originating idea and sustaining theme of twin peaks from the beginning
>>42585331>They seem like waves to me.>Trinangle waves.Whatever they are, Lynch also put them in Eraserhead
>>42587237>proofsNo real proof other than speculation, but Hollywood does have an established relationship with glowniggers and we've seen this before (Top Gun, Red Dawn, etc.). The entirety of Twin Peaks seems to paint the FBI in a positive light. All the agents are funny people who are super smart, attractive, and generally great people. Juxtapose this with the people that perpetrated the Branch Davidian massacre and conducted shit like COINTELPRO, and it certainly seems like Lynch was painting them in a falsely positive light.
>>42585676My first reading of Jung's introductory writings told me the same. It can give the impression that he was approaching the subject as a materialist scientist, but leaving enough room for interpretation that he would not turn away religious readers. The more that I read the more that I believed that he was schizo maxxed and operating under a veil of deniability to satisfy his materialist readers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAKhem-BOyoTrust noone, not even yourself
>>42585090The dual colors represent the two races. Serpent and Sheep. Bad and Good. Cain and Abel.The red curtain is the Blood of the Lamb, once the veil is lifted and you have eyes to see and ears to hear, you accept the free gift of eternal life by coming to the knowledge of the truth (Lord Jesus Christ is your savior and the way out of this fallen world).
>>42585427added the language of Angels analysis for you. the license plate means to steal your divine light. Jesus Christ.> For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?> - Mark 8:36
>>42577648>>42585184>And they didn't want to see shit like Audrey married to a crippleDUUUDE how do you guys miss this? The Return is to be compared to the old seasons 25 years prior. Feel the atmosphere. The degradation, degeneration, the lack of passion, the lost innocence, the FEELING AND VIBE ARE OFF.Compare Bobby to his daughter. Compare young Audrey to her young son. Look at how the roadhouse changed and how the people there changed. Compare Julee Cruise and sycamore tree to the return's songs. The log lady dies.Do you see now? Then the ending... Laura killed a guy in Odessa then she travels with cooper to find her house, the house makes her scream in pure fear.
>>42587696Doctor Jacoby, Nadine, Sheryl... They're all off.Benjamin Horne redeems himself and it was good to see.
>>42587696The degradation, degeneration, the lack of passion, the lost innocence, the FEELING AND VIBE ARE OFFBut that's exactly the point. >Saturn is always there, ruining everything, working against closure, making time weird and degrading, and it's the source of this evil
>>42584764So confirmed you dumbasses know nothing about what this is really about and how its yaldabaoth's fallen leftovers. The zig zag is famously attributed to the physical dynamics of second death. >>42585090Of all the waters you hylics are still stuck on blood and that of the old fallen one highlighting who was always the spawn of yaldabaoth working for what he failed to achieve on earth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocryphon_of_JohnTwin peaks is : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_Map_of_the_World#/media/File:Babylon's_world_view.jpgSomething spawns of satan are blinded to after 1000s of years.>>42585227Moon child.. Yet another common Egyptian process.. Something Spawns of Satan can't figure out 1000s of years later. GOOD.
>>42584869>>42583483>>42581234Black and white checkered patterns, zigzags, and static are often reported as being the "background" of LSD trips and similar psychedelic experiences. This leads me to believe that this is what the spirit world appears like from a physical standpoint, although it is usually hidden (for good reason, none need to see it.)I see it similar to turning on/off hitboxes in a video game, you don't need them to be on for them to work.
>>42587937shrooms dont work like this. LSD you say and other synthetic drugs were often synthesized by you know how to pry open backdoors/gates in their soul in the astral sense to access things they lacked spiritual coherence for. 2cb is a famous one in which a Canaanite couple systematically search for backdoors to the soul through idiot patients. So, it checks out. What also checks out is that people's spiritual coherence is the basis of the experience little do they know. Fucked up shit copper/silver chord people dont experienced what gold chord people do.Everything is really starting to make sense in the world again as to whose who and what dumbasses have really been up to and defined themselves as after 1000s of years. There are no hacks/backdoors without the consquence of what those liminal spaces are. Dead/blood/satan Gates and realms are real and some people's souls are already locked into them. Some are soulless. Some are binded souls of the abyss. Some love the abyss gates defined by Egypt (non such people rtfm or care that it often results in second death). Such people already likely underwent the 1st. You never get intelligent responses from such people on these matters which is the tell. Walls of excited text always about the most confused takes.
>>42587883I guess. I only saw the return once, a while ago, but it even spills the beans on how the world is (now). They show those evil people (those rich guys in the las vegas office or was it los angeles) who are in direct communication with the devil (black cooper). Then they show the unknown skyscraper in new york where they have a device for the other world to reach out into this one, where the fools having sex get murdered. They show this dynamic of how pure evil interfaces with the world through people minions, some knowing more than others.I personally think this is how it 'has to be' in this age... But nonetheless, it's sad, it's more and more death.
>>42587937Jesus fucking Christos, people will repeat anything that sounds good to them. Unbelievably stupid. Never have I ever seen checkerboards as a "background" during any psychedelic trip, and never on LSD. Laughable. Try again, tard.
>>42588052Your experiences are not universal.
>>42587989>it's sad, it's more and more deathPainfully saturnine. > it even spills the beans on how the world is (now)It really does, and I really like it for the sake of the argument that the near past was objectively better than our current times and that something very nasty happened to our time structure in the process (timeshift theory). I think Twin Peaks discloses that more than any media. The energy of the series matches this constrast and I'm fortunate enough to be an oldfag and confirm, at least to myself, that the beginning of the 90s were, despite all problems, objectively better than today even if your condition sucked ass. Newer generation loves to say that's pure nostalgia lens, but for whomever were in fact alive there, it is clearly a past they are trying to erase from our collective memory to make us jaded and just give up on goodness. Because things were not perfect, of course, but they were less bad.
>>42588213>I think Twin Peaks discloses that more than any media. The energy of the series matches this constrastExactly and this aspect doesn't get brought up tho it struck me from the trailer. >something very nasty happened to our time structure in the process>90s were, despite all problems, objectively better than today even if your condition sucked assI think we and the world lost and are still losing hope. I was born in 1997 and growing up i had hope, i believed evil, tho persistent, will naturally take the back seat. None of that happened, the world is a twisted joke and the collective unconcious knows this. "The good" is in the back seat. I mean individually things can always be improved etc but it is despite a decaying world, not together.
>>42588243>I think we and the world lost and are still losing hope. I was born in 1997 and growing up i had hopeBorn in the 80s here. It pains me to see this progression, it became crystal clear how the cultural narrative was moulded to build this sort of collective mentality. Not that the problem is "nihilism" per se, but the relentless shilling of nihilism and with zero trace of anything good behind it. Desensitization towards violence, rape, war, disaster, control, social retardation and so on. I think zoomers are kind of melted into this vibration and some of them are reacting to this out of pure intuition that something is very wrong. I root for them, hoping that they will have the balls my generation didn't have. Nevertheless, the operations were all planned and systematic. Of this, I am 100% sure. >"The good" is in the back seat. I mean individually things can always be improved etc but it is despite a decaying world, not togetherIt has been put in the back seat. By force. I see there are people trying to put it back on the front seat, but the fight will be very harsh. The end of season 3 gives the impression that the comeback is pending and unlikely. The point is, Twin Peaks has always been unto something drastic.
>>42587696>the FEELING AND VIBE ARE OFFAnd this is why I call Lynch a scam artist. He delivered a show that people enjoyed. It was something that made people's lives suck slightly less and was entertaining. Then he stamped everything out and left people feeling shitty about themselves. It's the whole post-modern philosophy of the audience being the "art" that Warhol pioneered, essentially mocking his audience and selling them a bronzed Campbell's soup can and bragging that people can be convinced bullshit like that is art. The art to cunts like this is the "art of the sell" as if mocking your audience is art. Lynch didn't know any kind of esoteric knowledge. Everything was a hook to catch people's interest and then make fun of them by peddling cinematic brutalism.
>>42577648A lot is Frost (Read Peter Levenda's Sinister Forces Occult US History). Lynch had some Kenneth Grant on top of the Maharishi stuff. Getty casting is conspicuous in Blue Velvet (he was OTO). The Return's explicitly dealing with ritual magick & history, and literally binds Parson's Whore of Babalon to & within the Show.
>>42579161The Mulholland Drive shooting locations are Holy Grail/Camelot themed (there are some remnants of Lynch/Frost's Marilyn Monroe Bio material). The literal Midnight Cowboy (like the film, gang rape, gay couple) wears an original film prop jacket, and the casting directors scene actors resemble characters in that. Betty-Diane's apartment complex was built by Walt Disney Imagineers laid off until/if the film made Bank, in Snow White style cottages— Winkies is where Lynch used to get lunchbdaily, until Church Of Satan founder Anton Levi (Chicago Prohibition J-Mob family) came in either his goons one day with an evil vibe over Diane's shoulder over in the corner booth. The opening Camilla descent, getting caught in the shower, pool party, and evil grannies in the box mirror the Diana & Actaeon Myth (probably a Frost touch).
>>42579194>car crashes Sodom climaxHence 'playing firetrucks' molestation trope
He knew that it was gay and pointless.
>>42579277>I can tell you that it was exceedingly rare to meet a producer or director or actor who was not OTO affiliated.Crowley was Plymoth Bretheren, the original British psyop on American Evangelicals (read Secret Agent 666, he also was working against German influence operators in WW1, big time). Jives with Crazy Days And Nights aka ENT Lawyer read on the "A-Lister" meme in Hollywood. And his grandson on the Bane Nolan Batman film—
>>42580732Isn't his complete collection presumably; more picks may turn up in the museum archive they're setting up. He didn't watch many movies, I imagine his reading went similarly.>>42581234>ambrosia: squares of red nectar borne by doves to Olympus that fed the gods>static electricity/signal grounded/off-air>"between two worlds">world fair green lamp, Venus(s) with her arms bent back, Saturnine black upholstery & clothes — Red Room murder fuel vs. Blue Rose (Egyptian psychedelic) Task force & Garden of Eden Guarding Flaming Sword Bookhouse Boys (pine trees are plant-phoenixes, literally "evergreen")
He clearly knew something. More than something.Check out this ad he did for the PS2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Laf9vpJMDjAScreams saturn storm cube to me
>>42582625>Ammit, Lake of Fire, Heart burdened? Oops, Scales of Maat say Crocodogmeat
>>42583752>Tulpas/doppelgamgers/egregoresAudrey to Donna in the school bathroom, white field red pulse on the wall, "I feel like I know her [Laura]."Later"She's IN HER OWN WORLD." [as Audrey dances at the diner; these two hardly ever directly interact despite being half-sisters]>Lynch in interview: believes in Angels— literally, "and Laura is one."Angels are what they do— WHOSE angel? Audrey is The Dreamer, and Twin Peaks is her heaven. Donna could be recast because she's only half-her own person anyways.
>>42589110this scene happened in TP as well except is was the military guy going 'shhhh'
>>42585213Frost takes the notes (typing) and does the script as they do sessions. They did the whole script. The material was enough to expand once Lynch's fiddling with a shooting script alterations.
>>42585227>drugpas in Blavatsky/theosophy>bad Tibetan left hand path antinomians, basically Aghoris todayLaura's Audrey's guardian angel, and bears the burden of totally sequestering the incest (which was teased in the orignal run trailers framing her dad as the killer). Ronette's the scapegoat banished from her Paradise of Twin Peaks we never see again, crossing the railroad tracks Bridge (spanning a chasm), a Tulpa. Cooper wanting to stay in town and wearing Fireman Plaid Flannel's another tell that he's not entirely physical—
>>42585371Peaks & Columns are etymological enmeshed, same for temples as literal "holy mountains". Then the Vajrayana diamond motif/sefirot as jewels, eternity. Funny that Ghislaine Maxwell loved the show and was obsessed with it enough to link up with Kyle McLaughlin
>>42585391>Season 2 occurs in Cooper's gut shot coma and/or afterlife
>>42587696>>42585184 #>And they didn't want to see shit like Audrey married to a crippleBingo: we do see that in The Return with Horne & another short haired Brunette (has an inbred type).
>>42587883>Right Severity: Left Mercy>Justice. : VictimUnion of Opposites, The Strife of Love in a Dream
>>42588243>90s were, despite all problems, objectively better than today even if your condition sucked ass>I think we and the world lost and are still losing hope. I was born in 1997 and growing up i had hope, iConvenience is the Devil, hence that meeting place for the lodgers, as against Ed's Gas Station, with an Ammun-Ra Goose Honker mascot.>BOB'S your uncle (your father's half brother, or Tulpa)>Donna Hayward-Horne: Audrey's half sisterThere's a lot more structure under the Lynch abstraction method hood than people give credit for. And they still kept the secret mum, despite being egged on to 'reveal' Leland.
this is all interesting head canon, but it's more likely that vedic concepts inspired OTO/masonic ideas and (along with frost) is why everyone thinks lynch was a major occultist
>>42588343Serial killers & Hippies. Hedonistic can't be commies with ideological fervor, race tensions, crime and psycho killers kept/keep the populace on a war footing despite the nominal detente with the Soviet aligned world. Gladio everywhere all the time, all MKULTRA at once.
>>42589226speak english
>>42589014>saccharine Hallmark card fan serviceInvitation To Love on the diegetic TV in Twin Peaks (Frost's previous gig) ... that kind of swill puts the soul to sleep. It's consumable, and the people shown in it interchangeable and disposable. What people Want is that, what people NEED is comedy then tragedy with catharsis. Procedural murder mysteries then and now are just having people killed for our amusement. Twin Peaks did the opposite— it's the opposite of misery porn, because there were stakes beyond wrap up the investigation and move on to the next Jane Doe.
>>42589245thank you chatgpt
>>42589220This mostly flies above my head, sorry.>>42589153>Audrey is The Dreamer, and Twin Peaks is her heavenAww that's cute.>>42589014WHAT?That is how the world is now! I don't know if the first 2 seasons are true to the last century but i know the return is true to these years. See also>>42588343
>>42589281>That is how the world is now!No. It isn't. This is how faggots view the world.
>>42588052>I never experienced x so it's not trueHow's that solipsism working for you?
>>42589281>I don't know if the first 2 seasons are true to the last century but i know the return is true to these yearsExactly. You don't know. You presume the world was a certain way in the 1990s and you presume the world is a certain way now. Life has always sucked. We look back fondly on the 1990s because we aren't presently experiencing them. And we believe present times are worse than the 1990s because we are experiencing them first-hand. The one difference that is certain is our current zeitgeist, which is to wallow in negativity. Season 3 hit the audience with a thud. Very few people cared outside of a few hardcore fans. Season 1 was a cultural phenomenon. Lynch having to make a TV friendly show forced him out of his bullshit absurdist horror mindset and Season 1 is the only reason most people even give AF about him. This ridiculous focus on making entertainment that reflects "modern times" is killing the entertainment industry. Yeah, we know. Life sucks. But if you have the chance, at least provide people a moment of escape instead of being some kind of retarded negative creep.
>>42590121>The more things change the more they stay the same, therefore nothing actually changed and you look back with rose colored glasses :)Fuck off. I watched The Matrix in 1999. The world is not the same, nor is it a matter of growing up and slowly realizing the defect and futility of the human condition and how bad it really was all along. You fucks really wear on me. You're either retarded or you weren't there. Either way pull your head out of your ass.
>>42590252>I watched The Matrix in 1999Your concept of reality literally comes from movies. Anon. Touch grass.
