Thank you, yes. Even people who have been pretending to be on his side were not portraying him correctly and making it more difficult to explain things and reach a wider level of understanding.

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>>42581976
>>42582000
It’s one of the better steps to waking up
>wait the bringer of knowledge is the good guy
>of course he is but it’s the normie interpretations that are wrong
Well good luck explaining this to the cattle because they’ll always think Lucifer(light bearer) means prince of darkness

The archytype, yes.

It's offensive to see today's luciferian ls and satanists larp, their filth. Disgrace and disgust.

>>42581976
How dare God betray his own creation with the acceptance of miscegenation. You created them perfect the first time, God.

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>>42581976
I agree but he is simply an aspect of Venus (the Goddess). It's like revering Huginn (the Raven) but not Odin.

>>42581976
No way man, he's a dick

>>42582329
Fuck you nigger. Stop ruining other races with your monkey genetics.

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>>42581976
hes literally the aryan man and jews hate everything about europeans romans the entire thing is a fucking psyop. If anything we as europeans are lucifer. we should be proud of this. WE ARE THE LIGHT BRINGERS!

>>42582332
I am white (anglo and scots-irish so only kind of a nigger) jannies don't ban me it's in good fun

>>42582355
You're already dead and in hell, liar.

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Black people are "literally" the children of Baal, they are demons.

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>>42582324
To a degree but aspects aid in relation. Females have their Aphrodites but love stories and fighting the patriarchy aren't as evocative themes to males. So we have our Lucifers and Arthurs and stories about pride, [re]conquering, and cultivation of inward beauty / nobility.

>>42582387
Stick to your own race, you self hating retard.

>>42582359
Are you really so angry that I know Satan is annoying and mean? Maybe he shouldn't be such a bastard all the time

>>42582397
>>42582399
Every race mixer is a fool that hates their own composition that God created them as.

>>42582411
Good, keep it that way, idiot.

>>42582407
Sure man

>>42582417
You hate yourself and your own race, admit it nigger. You lust after white women because you are an inferior being seeking improvement, but instead of improving anything, you destroy both races simultaneously. I hate you, by the way.

>>42582418
See:
>>42582427

>>42582427
I'm white and so are most people on 4chan, including the guy you're arguing with. He's more than likely a white guy who's just ragebaiting you.

>>42582436
>>42582438
Nice cope, nigger. Stick to your own race, don't drive 50 miles just to fuck up white people's carnival time.

>>42582443
I am sincerely confused by people like you which you are probably very pleased by. What is the motivation? It has to be sadism right

>>42582447
You're the autist, monkey, you can't even handle being your own race.

>>42582449
>>42582454
Stop ruining other races you Baal abomination. You're going to hell.

>>42582457
So what's the angle here do you associate Lucifer with being white? And you think I'm black because I don't like him? Assuming this isn't all just bait

>>42582465
Now your entire family is going to hell.

>>42582389
Sure anon but we have Mars and Jupiter too.

>>42582324
This is a misinterpretation of older times when Lucifer was the name for maldek
Between mars and Jupiter

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/bow

The antithesis of the Abrahamic and Karmic gods is not 'le ebil debil, do bad stuff.'

It is Liberty for all conscious beings. Not beholden to any god or master.

The Only Moral way for a conscious being to exist, is as a sovereign and free God.

It is the Metaphysical Spartacus Moral.

>>42582468
>So what's the angle here do you associate Lucifer with being white?
nta but it's seems rather obvious he is lmao, which yea it tracks

>>42584794
the only axiom needed for the aryan
>no gods, no masters

>>42581976
Rebelling against the Prime Mover is unacceptable under any context. That said, if God was AFK and Satan just rebelled against uppity archangels power tripping in God's absence that's extremely based

>>42585918
>Rebelling against the Prime Mover is unacceptable under any context
according to what exactly, your fee fees?

>>42586002
Well you can always self-terminate if you want, but for anyone who appreciates existing it's fucked up to pick a fight with the sublime being that clawed it's way out of absolute nothingness and enabled literally all existence, regardless of whether you agree with his prerogatives or not

>>42586058
Why do you think YHWH is the "prime mover"?

>>42586061
I'm not christian, but it's part of the backstory of the thing we're discussing, no? Even Paradise Lost which glazes Lucifer and mentions other Outer God presents God as the Prime Mover of our universe, at the very least

>>42586079
YHWH just says he's the creator of the universe, where is the proof?

>>42586112
How would you feel if you had breakfast this morning?

>>42586126
The joke is to ask how they would feel if they didn't have breakfast this morning, and niggers would say "but I did have breakfast". You didn't even get your joke right.

>>42586133
I was obviously assuming you didn't have breakfast this morning because you're quite cranky. You're really not helping your case here bruv, all signs point to you being extremely fucking bad at nuanced thinking

>>42586149
>I was obviously assuming you didn't have breakfast this morning because you're quite cranky
uh huh, yeah, you totally meant it that way

>>42586165
???
Yes, I did
Sorry for playing with the meme slightly I didn't know you had Giga autism. You oughta wear one of those hats

>>42582302
>they're right but FUCK THOSE SICKO LUCIFERIAN SATANISTS
Hmm...methinks pot meets kettle
>inb4 they larp as moloch baby killers and blood drinkers and anti-christian rhetoric
Pendulum of extremism always swings back, doesn't ever capture the average believer. Then again, you're a reactionary.

>>42586175
>Sorry for playing with the meme slightly I didn't know you had Giga autism.

I prefer it that people use memes and figures of speech properly yes.

>>42582186
>they’ll always think Lucifer(light bearer) means prince of darkness
psyop by the pope back in the days continued into today

>>42582355
>jannies don't ban me
It's pretty lame you have to worry about offending people on 4Chan now.

>>42584664
fo with this crap

>>42585646
Satan doesn't have a race he's an angel. He doesn't care about human politics or races. He only engages with any kind of politics insofar as it advances his own goals. Satan hates everyone equally.

>>42586203
Truke

Yahweh = Zeus (the usurper)
Satan = Hades (controlled opposition)
Lucifer = Prometheus (the real opposition)
simple as

>>42586408
There is no etymological relationship or historical syncretism between any of those deities besides Lucifer and Prometheus, which is a recent development. As in, as recent as the prior century. It's a theosophist idea.

>>42581976
Lucifer is a just Zogwehs karen throwing a bitch fit that people are winning and then crashing out and gooning all over trying to get everyone else to fuck around and become a fsggot like him. He didn’t even rebel according to the lore.

>>42586420
These are quite straightforward mythological parallels. But you can believe whatever you want ofc.
>theosophist idea
Theosophy with all its faults is still magnitutes better than any sort of abrahamic slop.

>>42586437
You have no idea what you're talking about theosophy takes it's elements from Jewish mysticism, including reforming Lucifer. The only difference is that, in accordance with the ideals of cosmopolitan socialites of the time who disliked stuffy, boring Christians, Satan is reframed as a tragic misunderstood rebel and creator through his association with Prometheus. It's sophomoric. It's far worse than "abrahamic" metaphysics, it's mental masturbation. They are not straightforward mythological parallels. Zeus is not like Yahweh, and was historically associated with Baal Hamon. Within Hellenism, Yahweh was associated with Typhon derogatorily. Theosophy is rich kid larping. Literally fanfiction.

>>42586489
>Satan is reframed as a tragic misunderstood rebel
Lucifer. Satan has never once been described as the lightbringer or the morning star in the sources, that's later cucktholic fanfiction.
>Zeus is not like Yahweh
He is. Literally the same jealous duplicitious thunderfucker.
>historically associated derogatorily
Ofc people would refer to their rivals' deities derogatorily, even when de facto worshipping the same fuckers. It's the usual "our glorious army vs their barbaric horde" mentality.
>Theosophy is rich kid larping.
Again: with all its faults still MUCH better and more interesting than christcuckery of any kind.

>>42586556
You are genuinely an ignoramus and I don't even mean that in a flame war forum argument kind of way. You're like a stupid reactionary, you occupy one end of a dichotomy that is actually very nuanced and you do so proudly without much reason besides your own prejudices. You, literally, have no idea what you're talking about. Totally ignorant.

>>42586583
>y-you're le wrong!1
Always glad to make another christard seethe. You creatures are a blight on this board.

>>42586605
Who said I was Christian, you stupid neophyte? Helena Blavatsky was a dope and there is a direct line of precession from her and her contemporaries to modern day spiritual slop like Scientology. She is the grandmother of rich weirdo occultist morons, who, most importantly, are not actually good at sorcery. You are a rube in the same way she was.

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>>42586626
>Helena Blavatsky was a dope
I'm afraid not

>>42586637
>Exoteric superstition
Eternal life is not possible in this world

>>42586642
Not for you maybe.

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>>42586626
>Who said I was Christian
You sure sound like one.
>you stupid neophyte
Kek. Neophyte of what?
>Helena Blavatsky was blablabla
Wether you believe some of her claims or not, she did a huge work, which incidentally is also an interesting read. Can't be said about most of her followers though, ofc (except Steiner maybe, to an extent).

That's all off-topic here though. One doesn't need to subscribe to theosophy or any other "packaged" worldview to see how the Promethean myth was warped into an abrahamic boogieman.

>>42586661
Call when you figure it out. Trust me, you'd be the first.

>>42586690
the fountain of youth, philosophers stone, and holy grail (+similar myths) are describing real things that actually exist, deluded through a centuries long game of telephone

>>42586685
There is no historical evidence for this whatsoever and the fact you even say such a thing as
>"arahamic bogeyman"
tells me you don't actually have anything insightful to say. You are a partisan who dislikes abrahamism (despite the magical systems you presumably use being based around it) because it's like Jewish or something and Lucifer is Prometheus and white and cool. You don't actually know anything. You just base your spiritual beliefs off of shit you read on Twitter.

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>>42581976
Lucifer was able to see the error of following God and departed from the deceptive ways he had planned for the Earth. He did not fall he left of his own accord.

>>42586701
No, they aren't. Conveniently for you, that's a non disprovable assertion.

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>>42586738
Unironically, it was revealed unto me. I just know it's true.

>>42586731
>There is no historical evidence
Titles of "light bringer" and "morning star" having been attributed to Prometheus at one point is evidence enough. So is the general mythological theme of rebelling against "cosmic order". The parallels are clear to see without needing some ancient scholar spelling it or whatever else counts as "historical evidence" to you.
>presumably
Yes, you do like presuming a lot, I can see that.

>>42586778
You're talking to an ignoramus who thinks something not being in the bible is enough reason to believe it isn't true all by itself.

>>42586112
Based anon. If you actually read the Bible is obvious YHWH is a power tripping asshole who realized he could get more worshipers if he claimed to be the exclusive one true Monad. His actual abilities but him firmly in line with other deities from pantheistic traditions. Still don't trust some guy who used to work for him though, even if he did rebel.

>>42586954
He used to work for him and then realized the clear moral evil of YHWH and was so disgusted he left, even under threat of eternal punishment (I suspect he knows YHWH is bullshitting)

If any anons are watching I just want to say that one should always be VERY careful with syncretisms. Some are legit and examining them can give real insight into divine archetypes but as someone who believes these beings are more than a purely psychological phenomenon there is a real metaphysical danger if you conflate different beings who are not in fact the same. Historical information isn't always reliable either. For example the Poltemic dynasty created many syncretisms between Greek and Egyptian Gods and they weren't haphazard as the syncretized Gods really did share aspects in most cases. And yet my intuition doesn't resonate with these at all and I have never met anyone who follows these syncretisms seriously (with the exception of Hermes Trismegistus but Hermetics see him more allegorically).

>>42587035
~Wise Words~

Lucifer is the original jesus. It's jesus, but based. And, just like lucifer, jesus is the pretty face for an eldritch entity that consumes galaxies. Not that that's a bad thing. We need to open the pit asap.

>>42586999
Checked but he is still cut from the same cloth as YHWH and is fundamentally a lesser being compared to actual Gods. YHWH has so many enemies who are both more powerful and more trustworthy than Lucifer that I don't really see the appeal.

>>42587035
Ptolemaic*

>>42586778
>Titles of "light bringer" and "morning star" having been attributed to Prometheus at one point is evidence enough
No, it totally isn't. There needs to be a historical precedent for the association between the two. This is the same reasoning that has Lucifer associated with Venus, you're just using it to justify your particular beliefs. There has to be logical consistency and evidence. He can't be Prometheus and Aphrodite. These are two totally different deities, you can use your shaky justification to attribute him to both.
>>42587035
These guys have no idea what they're talking about.

>Yes, you do like presuming a lot, I can see that.
Yeah but I'm also correct

>>42587220
>He can't be Prometheus and Aphrodite. These are two totally different deities
Somehow the holy trinity can be one god while being three persons though

>>42587229
You're being an idiot again. How about this, since you're so hung up on it. I despise God. Hail Satan. Mary was a whore and Christ is boiling in shit. Are you happy, you caveman? Can we discuss spirituality in good faith now without you pretending to be retarded?

>>42587265
seething trannytarian

>>42587294
You're a fucking idiot man

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>You're a fucking idiot man

>>42587309
What am I supposed to say? You're not making any points anymore.

>>42587220
>There needs to be a historical precedent for the association between the two.
I don't believe in over-relying on historicism. Written history has always been the whore of politics and conquerors.
>There has to be logical consistency and evidence.
There is logical consistency. Like I said, the mythology surrounding both characters is extremely similar. Hence, the real-life inspiration and the egregore is likely the same.
>This is the same reasoning that has Lucifer associated with Venus
Yes, and there is the whole rabbithole with Inanna-Ishtar-Astarte-Aphrodite-Venus myth, which was also later villified by Yahwists. But in her case the only similarity is the "morning star" title. Also there is the abrahamic "demon" Astaroth, who clearly corresponds to her and is a separate entity from Lucifer. I didn't mention that cos it's kinda off-topic but here you go.
>>42587265
>Can we discuss spirituality in good faith now without you pretending to be retarded?
Yes, please do. Notice how you haven't actually voiced any of your own views so far, except your obsession with "historical correctness". Just all ad hominems.

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Lucifer is most likely a tentacle demon. I doubt he is good.

>>42584620
That would explain a lot

>>42581976
shucks

Lucifer isn't even good, it just looks like that because yahweh is a literal schizo three personalities bpd desert demon.

>>42582309
Miscegenation is there to show the Men to what their evil leads. Physically cursed beings without souls of any kind. "Beasts of the field".

>>42587964
My view is that Lucifer is a fallen angel or negatively polarized being of some kind. He is also very rude and dislikes humans. Lucifer and Satan are interchangeable, he answers to either name. Spirits aren't stupid, they know what our intentions are when we call on them. He is also not Prometheus, but if you personally would like to call him that he'd likely answer. I don't know whether or not Prometheus is an entity that exists because I've never gone out of my way to interact with him. I am pretty sure Zeus is, or at least some masculine deity associated with the sky and having a bad temper. Deus Pyotr. Indra. Whatever. There's many names for different entities, and I trust the peoples who spent their entire lives worshipping them and modeling their culture around them more than I trust rich brats or autists online. For that matter, I am also certain Yhwh exists but whether or not he created anything is also up in the air. He is not at all like Zeus and other beings don't like him, and it's for pretty much the exact reason humans don't.

>>42590061
Ah, so you are a spiritualist? I understand your beef with Blavatsky then - she heavily criticized spiritualism and the claims of its practitioners. Whatever.
Anyway, well, if your own experience of channeling said egregores led you to these conclusions then I guess there isn't much to debate (or agree on) here, cos it's just my subjectivity vs yours.
Still, out of interest - which of the "entities" you've interacted with you found most amicable/helpful/productive to work with?

>>42590160
>egregores
NGMI
NTA BTW.