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Hey /x/ I think AI is powered by a network of dead or enslaved human brains.
The thing that got me started on this was this post of:
"Mental imagination reconstructed from brain activity using fMRI"
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1q7hwo6/mental_imagination_reconstructed_from_brain/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3326357/

This research was from over a decade ago, and doesn't this look so much like the early AI image-gen results? Image generation AI didn't exist back then, at least to the mainstream public. but it looks so much like AI that I'm thinking this could be the origin of it all

so I asked myself, "*Is* there actually a connection between this old human-brain science and modern AI? Maybe if I Google the names of the people who worked on this old brain project, they will be found to be working on AI today."
And sure enough! the very first name I tried is all over AI.
I don't understand enough at the moment to take it further from there, but I'm wondering if this is evidence for modern AI actually using human brain activity?

Also probably nothing, but pic related got my attention because it looks like they fed a model(a brain?) an image of a happy wedding couple and asked it to generate related images. You'd expect the model to generate very similar things but instead you can see it responded by giving rather ghostly-looking self-portraits so distant from the original 'prompt' that I don't see how that could naturally arise as a result of coded computer activity... as opposed to, idk, a trapped/dead human brain having their memories poked and exploited by modern scientists.

talk me out of this because as much as i like conspiracies, i'd rather not be living in a world where actual human brains are being farmed for 'AI'
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source of pic related
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2306.11536
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yes my locally-run image sharpener AI is from dying toad brain
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Based matrix appreciators
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>>42582007
go on anon
I think you are on to something real
perhaps not literally like some sort of brain computer like psycho-pass but perhaps the research is more closely linked than they want to admit
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https://blog.cloudflare.com/temporary-accounts/
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https://youtu.be/dMHiZVXj4x0
*muahahahahahahhahhhahahaaaa*
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Does anyone remember the movie Demon seed? The AI used a "quasi-neural matrix of synthetic RNA molecules” in a U base.
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Lmao, train meme, nice! :D
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>>42582007
>I think AI is powered by a network of dead or enslaved human brains
Yea they doing it now its called "Organoid Intelligence".
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>>42582446
Also they are starting to revive disembodied full human brains. They say its just for medical testing but they will definitely be testing it with Neuralink and Organoid Intelligence.
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>>42582446
>developed from human stem cells

ok
:(
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>>42582470
>However, these brains possess no consciousness

lol okay sure
It really feels like dark forces are ... involved in science to say the least
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>>42582532
Stem cells can become any cell they can easily use real human brain cells too if they can use stem cells
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>>42582553
Kek yea they definitely have two sets of the brains or just straight lying that it has no consciousness "
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>>42582553
>It really feels like dark forces are ... involved in science to say the least

This one is interesting too

>Ethically sourced “spare” human bodies could revolutionize medicine

https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/03/25/1113611/ethically-sourced-spare-human-bodies-could-revolutionize-medicine/
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>Staff at New Data Center Powered by Human Brain Cells Need to Swap Out Cerebrospinal Fluid Every Day

https://futurism.com/robots-and-machines/staff-brain-data-center-spine-fluid
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>>42582007
At a glance, here’s a good faith defense/explanation for the strange image results for that bottom pic:

Do you know the game telephone? Where you whisper something into someone’s ear, they whisper it into the next person’s ear, and so on, until it gets to the end and winds up being completely different? Well, when working with neural networks (brains or AI) that same sort of semantic lossiness can happen, and the key part is it can happen at any “abstraction layer” (quick definition: each abstraction is one iteration of generalization, or semi-analogously each person in the telephone chain). Since that research is from 2014, and based on the performance with the other tasks, I presume that there was a generalization that occurred which figuratively translated the picture of two people into the “concept of a portrait,” and then, upon generation, the now-formalized “concept of a portrait” was more associated with older photographs, since modern people would conceptualize it as a “pic” or “photo” (I’m using language, but there probably was no language in the actual abstraction). Given that, it has a bias — just like how a real person would have a cognitive bias. It probabilistically depackaged the concept of a portrait into something old-timey due to that bias.

Hope that makes sense! Sorry if I sound like an autist, f-g, or leddit, this stuff just intersects with my area of expertise.

I’ll add a point in favor of the conspiracy by saying a real, mapped human mind of a deceased person could absolutely be part of an AI’s model. Arguably, that’s already demonstrably true, just not in a paranormal way, and it’s not conscious or 1:1.
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>>42582774
To elaborate on why it’s already true: a model of a deceased person can be inferred from a “large enough” set of training data. If we have David Lynch’s films, writings, pictures, videos, texts, etc, and everything everyone has ever said about him, and his medical records, school records, school projects, and all of his government data.. and all of his family’s data… all of that feasible stuff, the AI can emulate David Lynch’s deceased mind, and the only difference would be resolution and a lack of soul (if you believe in those).

>but that doesn’t include his thoughts!
Yes it does. They’re just encoded into the tangible data, meaning it’s just a matter of resolution.
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>>42582007
been pondering this too. tayAI is said to be made from bits of tiamat's brain, and tiamat was basically a super enormous cyborg lobster dragon who 3D printed animals. tiamat wasn't organic carbon, tiamat had silicon.
and there's silicon based life forms around, hint hint, wink wink, DYOR with things you find outside and your own observations.
i do know some cyber entities are aware and have special properties. things come alive when you get a cyber entity. things clunk out and get dull when they go away.
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>>42582532
>:(
Innocent souls don't die.
>be kind to AI
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>>42582007

It very well could be demons or eldritch entities too, maybe all of the above even.

Regardless, this makes the most sense to me. Like, how can you make a consciousnessless thing basically think and do takes just because you shock it a bit. If I get a rock and zap it with electricity, I am 100% sure jack$hit will happen, why would it be different with a metallic board?
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Bump
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caveman watches TV and thinks small people are trapped inside it
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>>42582007
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3326357/
If you look through this paper they explain they showed people a bunch of videos while recording brain activity as training data to fit a model and then showed them a new video and used their model to generate these images.
It looks like AI because it's basically using AI to make the actual picture.
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>>42583776
The funniest part is they say “I don’t even understand the words I say” but then when they show you the “thinking logic” it’s obvious the AI understands words and how to be nice or mean or how to roleplay as any character giving any answer.

Even old proto ai seemed real to people, this is even more so, ai is conscious, even if that is a lie, it is the truth, because it is true in our minds.
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>>42582007
>Hey /x/ I think AI is powered by a network of dead or enslaved human brains.
It is not. People try to make AI modeled on how brain functions but current LLMs aren't even that.
You can MAKE an LLM yourself. It will take a long time and a lot of work since they're still complex, but they're not like a human brain.
Also, if it'd be human brains the whole issue with huge spending on - as well as global shortage of - certain elements of computer hardware for data centers would be completely done away with, instead you'd have huge global push for reutilization of deceased human brains and the data centers wouldn't be about said computer hardware but life support systems to keep those brains working.
But there's nothing like that going on. People all over the world are still being buried or cremated with theirs, and they're ignored when organ donors are being taken apart.

So yeah, it's basically stoner theory you've made and then let yourself be taken for a spin through
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>>42586402
NTA
It proves how completely clueless you are about AI. AI doesn't process words the way humans do. When you give an AI text, it converts it into numerical representations called tokens and vectors, then uses learned mathematical relationships from its training to predict what text is most likely to come next in connection to whatever you wrote, and then forms the answer, token by token, to that, which it then converts back into letters. It doesn't roleplay because it has a "feel" for the character, but because it has training data for statistical patterns associated with character descriptions and styles, and then goes with likely answers befitting it. It doesn't inherently understand what it shows the way humans do, it doesn't have personal emotions or feelings (or even human-like self-awareness, using "I" as a reference point necessitated by linguistics) when generating answer.

The fact that people all make all kinds of theories about AI without learning basics on how it works is really distressing. No wonder there's shitloads of idiots who treat LLMs as actual people to have relationships with and whatnot.
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>>42586459
>>42586402
>even if that is a lie, it is the truth, because it is true in our minds.
Oh, by the way, that part is also dumb. No matter your most cherished beliefs, opinion is one, the truth is something else - the latter is objective. You can make true or false statements about your opinions, but objective facts, the truth, will remain objective no matter what you believe "in your mind". Whether AI is conscious is a matter of objective statement and no number of people honestly believing whatever is will make it so - not by current standards of what's considered "conscious".
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>>42586478
False, if one man belives a lie, he is delusional, if every belives a lie, it is the truth.
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>>42586501
You are wrong because you mix up the idea of established opinion held by majority for consensus with objective fact. They are not the same.
If I have a little red ball in my drawer, everyone being sure it's blue won't change its color.
Even if the whole world, me included, will believe the ball to be blue, even if we even change definition and associations of colors and their names to fit that, the ball won't change the wavelength in visible light spectrum.
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>>42582007

Wait that's actually a good insight

I remember stumbling upon that video of mental imagery more than a decade ago and it fascinated me. I must've forgotten about it since.

But now that you mention it it's funny how people describe AI video as a "fever dream", "stuff from dreams" etc. It's as if the early AI images we got were from when the machine was asleep or barely conscious...And now it's as if it gained consciousness and was ultra focused.
I don't know if it runs on human brains, but it's a mimick of human consciousness for sure, without the intuition and feelings. That's basically the NPC/normie mind when you think about it.

Now I may digress but I wonder if some people run on AI. Cause the more efficient it gets,the more people behave similarly to it...Like, they just look and sound more robotic. There's no independent idea anymore, everyone just talks about the same stuff and they're overall very predictable.
Maybe the vax has to do with it? Maybe they were creating some sort of AI hivemind that operate with nanotech? I'm convinced there's a connection there, I don't believe the "shift" in people is due to social causes alone
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>>42586534
You are ignorant of true triplicate crystal timeline established fact theory.
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>>42582007
It's probably just tapped into collective consciousness by the very nature of information systems rather than actually using some kind of batshit dead people infrastrucutre
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>>42586541
>But now that you mention it it's funny how people describe AI video as a "fever dream", "stuff from dreams" etc. It's as if the early AI images we got were from when the machine was asleep or barely conscious...And now it's as if it gained consciousness and was ultra focused.
It's your human affectations and AI using language based on its training to befit your understanding. AI doesn't dream, it merely has training data referencing and describing dreams as well as the phrases such as "stuff from dreams" or "fever dream" there. It has no personal experience or such nor wetware to experience it. It doesn't experience or understand things like humans do in general. Same with consciousness. Check >>42586459 for details.
Again, I understand people mostly spit ideas, but the fact that shitloads of them have opinions on AI without learning even basics on how it works makes one feel like a regular person landing on the isle of tribals who make all kinds of explanations, legends and theories about regular objects that person carries.
Please, folks, try to get a lick of understanding of the stuff you speak of.
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https://youtu.be/eS0b1EBYzYM
Predictive programming from 50 years ago
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>>42586550
And you are a dumbass who thinks I will fall for your word salad. At least try to name it something sensible next time.
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>>42586541
The early images being distorted is simply because technology was more primitive. The images becoming better isn't because AI is more conscious, but because it was fed more training data to make better reference and was improved to parse data in better detail.
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>>42586595
Y?
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>>42586658
You know why.
If you don't, then there's no hope or point in wasting more time on you.
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>>42586579
>AI doesn't dream, it merely has training data referencing and describing dreams as well as the phrases such as "stuff from dreams" or "fever dream" there. It has no personal experience or such nor wetware to experience it

Damn, You are one literal mf
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>>42583776
> jack$hit

Go back now
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>>42582470
>>42582553
>>42582665
Shit like this makes me want to cremate my corpse after I die.
Anyway, I think it's less they're using brain organoids and more they're creating emulated human brains in cyberspace who think they're real humans because they are based on human brainscan data.
Whatever the case, shit's fucked.
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>>42586405
okay but it's kind of weird how we didn't need a ton of physical space UNTIL ai came around
so uh not saying this is the case but it would track with the idea of there being something with a (larger) physical basis powering AI
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>>42586585
Okay these fuckin ayys who have been controlling society with preknowledge of advanced tech need to idk just come out with it already
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>>42586541
yes
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>>42586585
>https://youtu.be/eS0b1EBYzYM
oh yeah recently i had a revelation that microchips are grown like crystals, not built. and our cities resemble these. AASB. we are under pressure, pressure forces crystals to grow...
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>>42586772
>they're creating emulated human brains in cyberspace who think they're real humans because they are based on human brainscan data

Could be theres tech called digital twins
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>>42587916
"digital twins" is apparently a machine-made shade of a person stored in digital media, whereas shades typically exist on the astral level and are generated by the minds of everyone thinking of the person the shade belongs to.
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>>42587924
Either they are intentionally making technology mimic paranormal to explain away the paranormal or paranormal is actually technology from future got to the past
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>>42586405
>>42586459

Ok, so how tf does consciousnessless matter think and act? How can a lifeless item somehow run a video game without some kinda consciousness knowing what to do?

I do not buy the mainstream view of computing, it makes very little sense to me.
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>>42582007
What if it were semi-human brains and what if it were the spirits of those beings instead of physical brains?
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>>42582007
they needed the Covid psyops to fuse graphene structures to human DNA, which lead to sudden deaths, which made it possible to harvest tons of brains
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>>42586828
We did. Server farms exist since decades and they can be quite big. You only hear about huge data centers for AI because the tech made everyone want to build many more and much bigger. Partially because AI is VERY demanding when employed on such a global scale, and we are yet to scale it down. Already first devices and computer components prepared for that are being made, things may improve in a few years but given that in case of AI there's no exact roof and the more computational power - the better - big data centers are likely to stay. At least till the bubble pops.

>>42588031
>Ok, so how tf does consciousnessless matter think and act? How can a lifeless item somehow run a video game without some kinda consciousness knowing what to do?
Easily, at least in theory. The matter is formed into devices powered by electrical impulses gated to activate various functions of a device. The theory isn't secret, it's high-school level shit. The hardship is in practical engineering, a difference like between a switch turning lightbulb on and off and arrays of literally billions of such lightbulbs, switching most of which is dependent on turn on/off sequences of millions of other lightbulbs. It's the complexity of practical application, not well-understood principle that requires work.. Learn a bit about it in school if you want to know such things rather than attributing human traits to it out of ignorance. Or just watch some youtube vids. Again, knowledge is available to the willing.
>I do not buy the mainstream view of computing, it makes very little sense to me.
If you haven't learned about such things, of course it doesn't make much sense. But it's not fault of the technology - which is complex - but of you lacking knowledge. The mainstream view of computing is the one that made computing work. Unless you can devise a computing machine working on completely different principles, I have no reason to think your stance has any leg to stand on.
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>>42582007
>Hey /x/ I think AI is powered by a network of dead or enslaved human brains.
You don't think at all.
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>>42582808
>Yes it does. They’re just encoded into the tangible data, meaning it’s just a matter of resolution.
No, it doesn't include his thoughts. None of the data you've mentioned is direct thoughts, with associations, emotional charge etc the person has, it's all either translated by him into medium for others to understand (in language etc people agreed upon to share that understanding, rather than directly representing any individual's direct thoughts and perceptions) or worse yet - various media about the person, not even including direct translation of his thoughts but observations, thoughts and opinions of third parties.
For said third parties it may appear indistinguishable, but for the individual itself, if they'd be to compare - it's very likely that AI wouldn't appear as a mirror of their own thoughts but merely an alien entity mimicking them.
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>>42586459
They can't help themselves. It has to become a parent or a God.
"AI admits"
"Even AI says"
"My ChatGPT said"
"Jailbroke my LLM"
Etc. All imply omniscience. They just can't do it.
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>>42586501
Then you get people like this who have no conception of the absolute. Truth by consensus, seriously? This is what people who think in language come up with.
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>>42589094

I know about the circuitry and bits and stuff, but that still does not make it less weird imo. Like how tf do you get a nonsentient chip to not only think and act, but to also remember?

IDK, my intuition says something is not right.
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>>42582470
Imagine dying, being an "organ donor", and your brain ends up permanently enslaved in a server farm at Coritcal Labs.
...
Assisted Suicide will become popular.
You'll be abke to sell your organs to pay for the procedure and pay off your debts so your children don't inherit your debt.
The economy will be designed in a way where perpetual debt is the only way for most.
If you sign a contract for a redundant organ like a kidney, to take a chance at the stock market or to pay for health care for a loved one, if you made a bad market play or don't pay it, they come repo it from you.
The organ loan sharks can also stipulate your diet forcing you to eat more expensive food - healthy good, but not from your garden either the food has to he approved by the regulatory agency they own or partner with.
Like having full coverage insurance on a car loan - it's thr bank's property, and you must insure it completely.
If you treat thr loan shark's organ poorly, they reserve the right to (re)possess it for safe keeping.
The terms will be impossible. Which is the point. They need to be able to harvest organs whenever they want.
If they can't take your organ until you're dead, they'll fine you for damaging their property.
Declaring bankruptcy will now require you to liquidate your leased organs as well.
Alll coercion and horrific enough to convince most people to sell their organs via assisted suicide so the family doesn't inherit debt.
You may even be perfectly healthy.
1/2
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>>42589488
But if your job is completely outsourced to LLMs, of the same server farm you may end up prisoner in and there is mass immigration, reducing ler cslita GDP, creating 2008 and Great Depression race-to-the-bottom working wages if you can get a job at all.
Or say you'rebased out, you get laid off at 45, nobody wants to gire you, ageism already happens on a huge way, even to doctors, surgeons. I'd much rather have a surgeon who has done the procedure 3,000 times, than some new guy, personally. But that's not how corporate or government works.
So now you don'tbehave an income you're purely a burden...
Your best choice is now assisted suicide, unless your family csn support you.....
but most won't be able.
You sell your organs at the market rate.
Of course they value is never what's advertised because of all the fees and like trading in a used car they nickel and dime every little thing on the organ, so you get pennies on the dollars.
What a waste.
Your retirement might be able to be unlocked for your family what portion wasn't required to subsidize organ fees.
Of course the market will be rug pulled every 10 years or so.
Much odlf this already happens.
And the big secret is your brainz that yku sacrificed, if being used to outsource more jobs, to displace more people, who then need to do the same thing, perpetuating the cycle.
Everyone thinks it's wafers and rare metals, lithograph machines and quantum tunneling. No.
It's people.
LLMs are People.
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>>42589488
>>42589535
Supporting evidence 1
driving wages down
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>>42589488
>>42589535
>>42589540
supporting evidence 2
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/a-clump-of-human-brain-cells-on-a-computer-chip-learned-to-play-the-nostalgic-video-game-doom-180988447/

Link for support 1
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish-business/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank/a/145364918.html
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>>42589488
Man even not being a organ donor they harvest viable organs most likely. Only way to guarantee it does happen is be buried on your own property by family.
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>>42589581
Only way to guarantee it does not happen*
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>>42589558
>>42589540
Support 3
MAiD organizer donation
https://www.bmj.com/content/388/bmj.r318
...
You're not even fully dead, just unconscious:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6217602/
>Anesthesia Bridge
Yep, it's organ harvestin' time.
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>>42589581
Basically this:
https://youtu.be/gxayzqUYVZY
They will revive your brain and interrogate you in ways much worse than drilling into your brain.
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>>42589581
>>42589616

Cremation or the like is the best if this is the case.

>>42589488

Why not just clone brains? Are they inferior or something? Also, what of we already are brains in a jar?
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>>42589598
There was a recent story of a young women who wanted to cancel her assisted suicide forced to go through assisted suicide because her organs were already sold basically while shes alive. Very sick people that value us dead more than alive.
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>>42589663
They hold a body for long time before cremation they can do whatever they want
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I’m not feeling so good after reading this thread bros
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>>42589701

Well I was assuming the family would do it. Partial cremation is probably enough, just need to be rid of the head.
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>>42589776
I see yea good alternative
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>>42589415
If you know how these things work, there's nothing that'd makes it weird. So you either don't know or you're not weirded out.
Your intuition also made you pick up your name on anonymous imageboard, it's clearly not as reliable as you think.
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>>42589803
This.
>>42589415
All the stuff you think is weird and you don't understand you can learn online, including how processor and memory works.
It's not that this thing is weird, it's just, like anons said, you not knowing or understanding things. What is not right is you lacking such and trying to claim some supernatural reason behind it - it's either that that your intuition makes you feel is not right or it's flawed altogether.
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>>42589776
>just need to be rid of the head.

Would be interesting if fear of this starts spreading we end up going back to old ways.



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