>>42588836
We ignoring Sedna (vindictive psycho bitch with daddy issues), Eris (bored slut who stirs up trouble for the lulz) a

>>42588836
Neptune is the infinite ocean. Unfortunately for us, it is highly contaminated and unpredictable. It is a means for transportation and occasional diving, appropriate for contemplation and not much else. Verdict: avoid at all costs

>>42588836
>brainwashed NPCs
Thats venus and saturn

>>42588836
Fucking retarded take. Literally everything you just listed, all the rot and decay, all the afflictions you just listed, the mental issues, the social rot and decline, all of that, that's literally Saturn and has been for thousands of years.

Modern astrology is so fucking stupid and rebranded everything so now everyone talking about it is a fucking idiot.

>>42589036
Traditionlet who cannot cope with reality that reveals additional impersonal forces in the cosmos.
>Oh no modern astrology is bullshit for including discovered outer planets
>Ancients would have never!

You are delusional pinning every single bad thing on Saturn. Same as primitive christcucks who think they have to live by 2000 yr ago ideas and must not evolve or adapt to current reality, only when convenient

I like my 3rd house neptune. Better to be a "daydreamer," as a normies derisively call it, than some boring ass human robot with no inner life whose world just revolves around the mundane. Someone like your average wageslave.

>>42590248
Good luck with maladaptive day dreaming cycling you that you can ever make them true.

>>42590216
>delusional
In other words heresy
You are no different than people you hate.
>primitive christcucks
And let me guess vaxed and pro govt or even maybe leftist too?

>>42590379
"maladaptive" is a normative judgment and it doesn't bother me at all, it comes from the same clods I described, the type that one anon would call "capricucks"

let them be good and "adaptive" little worker bees if that suits them, meantime I'll use my neptune to enjoy a life of fantasy and figuring out the secrets of the universe, like that one time I figured out how to grow my dick as much as I want, lool

"can never make them true"
suck it, capricuck

>>42590379
>no fun allowed
>passive agressive tone
We live in age where high end gayming pc is wet dream, for majority of people, retarded normalfag.

>>42590379
>>42590216
>>42588836
You do not sound evolved, you sound like modern day version of medieval bumpkin screaming about blashemy.
And tou forgot to explain why i should you and your take.

>>42588836
>random rogue wave
Triton>Titan

>>42588836
Learn to Swim

Neptune is actually a malific in literally every fucking transit we've investigated unless literally everything else is sucking its dick then it makes dreams reality. 99% it just makes nightmares real.

>>42588836
Voyager 2 is THE BEST CAMERA!

>>42590435
>In other words heresy
It's heresy to be this delusional and claim to hold the truth by refusing to see part of it, that is to accept that there are big ass planets beyond Saturn that arent' visible to the naked eye and thus could not be identified to the ancients. And they dismiss their influence completely for no reason but "muh traditional astrology and solar system". It's more understandable to not include them as rulers of the signs, but to act like they don't exist it's stupid

>And let me guess vaxed and pro govt or even maybe leftist too?
Absolutely not, not sure what that has to do with anything. But I"ve seen christians do it because their priest said so and the priest is sacred, only he knows the truth about anything and is the only bridge toward God

>>42590248
>>42590897
I have Neptune in the 3rd house too. I have also been called a daydreamer, sensitive, creative etc. but I'm also confused and uncertain lots of times, have trouble being practical and engaged, likely have ADHD. Looking back, I think it never was a good influence in my life. Growing up, I wasted years of my life doing nothing but compulsively dreaming my life away while the world moved on around me, relationships withered, I was physically there but never quite "there" since I was so engaged in the imaginary worlds I created to escape the reality around me. And now I can never regain those years back, of the mental fortitude and quickness that I could have used to make my now life comfy instead. And my concentration is so fickle unless I'm 100% high-on-drugs inspired.

But my friend has Saturn in 3rd and that's no easy ride either. Lol he kinda comes off retarded at first, very shy, stutters, has trouble finding his words so he often gets frustrated when trying to communicate but I can tell that he thinks very complex things and makes connections and draws strong conclusions. He likes to study all the time, a bit of a mental hermit

>>42588836
Neptune is just a big rock in the sky that happens to be named after some long forgotten god. It might as well be named cookies and cream for how much bearing it has on your life. You aren't worshiping the god neptune by worshipping a big rock in the sky named after the god of some skirt wearing doofuses who hung around in italy by some frenchman in 1846.

>>42591010
I wonder how dark would it have been on Titan if we only used our human eye ability to see light, without special equipment. The additional haze would prolly make it very dark.

>>42591785
It's not even a big rock. Sure, it definitely has some kind of a rocky core, but 99% of its mass are hydrogen and helium, plus some volatiles (since Neptune is so far away, the conditions there are right for these to form from, for an example, comets that got torn apart by Neptune's gravity, just like Levy-Shoemaker got splendidly obliterated by coming too close near Jupiter.
I was wondering about one thing. The LS comet fragments left obvious, dark impact traces on the Jupiter, which stayed in place, that is, appeared to be below the cloud deck where something closest to "surface" can be defined. You can see those happening in real time too. These features remained there for weeks. Shouldn't the powerful winds and other phenomena clear the marks in a mere minutes, not weeks?

>>42591699
>I think it never was a good influence in my life
I disagree with the idea of planetary "energies" or what have you, it has way too many holes in it. I think our charts are only reflections of our true, spiritual nature. Me for instance. I happen to recall a bit of my real life, in one of the higher planes, before I was born, and I can see a ton of stuff in my chart directly corresponding to the type of person I was there. I'll be damned if that's all just a coincidence. But whatever.

I sympathize with the wasted years stuff, but there's no good use in regretting them, because in the end we could do no other.... like the man said.

While I agree that Saturn is not "le bad" planet, Neptune isn't either. Neptune just represents "illusions", which are good or bad depending on the context. Obviously if you apply "illusions" to a topic like "society", then we are talking about something bad probably. But if we apply "illusions" to a context like, magic tricks at a birthday party, or the way video games provide a nice distraction from a hard day's work, or going to the movies every once in a while, or whatever your preferred escapism may be. In moderation, these are not necessarily bad. It's when you take them to extremes that they become a bad thing.

That was always the universal theme of astrology, hermeticism, stoic philosophy, greco-roman philosophy, all this stuff we are discussing, it had one rule, one law, that defined the difference between something being generally good or generally bad, and that was balance, moderation, temperance, reserve. When things exist in the "goldilocks zone", then things are good. When things get out of hand and out of control and completely irrational, bad things tend to happen. That was the general rule that they applied to everything. So none of the planets were "bad" even though they were "malefic". They were "malefic" because they were not very nice, but that isn't the same as abjectly evil or wicked.

Mars, for example, literally means Strife. But when you feel strife for someone or something that deserves it, and by "deserves it", I mean everyone is cheering you on and history records you as the champion, then objectively there is nothing evil or bad about strife in that context. It depends on how you look at it. But if your strife toward that thing was taken too far, to some unwarranted extreme, and people were not okay with how far you take it, then it gets labeled "bad" or "evil" and remembered as such.

You cannot heap all your blame upon the gods, not even Saturn. The gods are not to blame for our moral stupidity and ignorance. We are.

>>42592075
care to elaborate?

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>>42592361
Why do you need illusions to unwind and relax? See that's the problem with Neptune, it hates reality. It is averse to it and will convince you that you NEED to escape, even if just for 5 minutes. And it's a trap because it will. make you want it more and more every time.

I get where you are coming from regarding moderation. I just don't see the benefit to Neptune in general - you could chalk it up to arts, divine beauty, transcendence but I believe those qualities/roles can be taken by Venus or Jupiter. They have their own dark side of course. But Neptune feels particularly "out of this world" in the way that his gifts are meant to gradually and eventually disconnect you from the world you live in. And so long as you are alive that is never good. Or unless you are some sort of seer/psychic but that is not the case for 99% of people. And even then you will have a hard time deciphering and sorting the unconscious/garbage from actual divine source.

I'm definitely talking from personal experience, but I fail to see any good examples in people around me either. Most touched by Neptune are in some way delusional or entertaining delusions for others, if they are not downright dysfunctional (via addictions, evasive coping, mental confusion, mental illness caused by extreme sensitivity and absorption, plagued by dreams or nightmares, etc.)

>>42592489
Brother take a moment and just... touch grass. I gave perfectly reasonable examples of illusory experiences that are, in moderation, ethical and normal. You are taking it way out of context and way too far, a perfect example of lacking moderation right here. You keep arguing from personal example, anecdotal arguments, generalizing from those as if they applied in some objective sense, when they are totally subjective and personal to you.

You really just, do not understand this stuff at all and you are trying to twist it into something it is not, in order to justify... I have no clue what. Some personal issue from your past, some kind of greivance you have with the world... which has absolutely nothing to do with the way Neptune is defined and used in astrology. It does, however, have everything to do with you, and things that you need to address instead of projecting the blame onto something external that fits your victimhood narrative.

>>42592502
Do tell me how it is defined then, you will find the same definitions/keywords that I used. Which are either hard to apply in moderate quantities or mostly useless (or can be governed by other planets as I said, such as Venus ruling pleasurable comfort or Jupiter divinity, etc)

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>>42588836
You just sold me on liking and wanting more Neptune in this world, how do we empower it?

>>42591661
Nobody cares about what you see as truth, it doesn't matter.

>>42591661
>and thus could not be identified to the ancients.
And what makes you think that they didn't have telescopes or couldn't use remote viewing?

>>42592489
>. It is averse to it and will convince you that you NEED to escape, even if just for 5 minutes.
Reality is objectively shit and so are you, faggot

>>42592567
Here is the complete list.

Ascendant = Vessel
Midheaven = Heaven
Imum Coeli = Earth
Sun = Volition
Moon = Fortune
Mercury = Cunning
Venus = Love
Mars = Strife
Jupiter = Hope
Saturn = Fear
Uranus = Chaos
Neptune = Illusions
Pluto = Death
North Node = Hunger
South Node = Waste
Lot of Spirit = Sanity
Lot of Fortune = Health

These definitions are compiled from sources like classic Empedoclean physics, the works of Julius Firmicus Maternus, Vettius Valens, and Rhetorius, as well as contemporary authors such as Chris Brennan and material presented by the Kepler College of Astrology.

But feel free to continue following your unverified personal gnosis wherever you feel like. Maybe you will find people who share your gnosis and think the same way you do and agree with you. All I am saying is that your definitions are extremely unlike the definitions given by most authors, even authors who practice other forms of astrology like horary astrology or electional astrology, or who practice totally different systems like Jyotish astrology or Draconic astrology.

Look inward. You are going around with a lot of energy, you feel very passionate, and you are trying to sell your perspective, because you seek validation from others. Misery loves company. Simple as. This has nothing to do with what is real, what is true, or helping people, or improving anything, or growing, or learning. You just want to throw a tantrum and get cred for it. You want to virtue signal and hope that other people suffering the same way you are in life, will think "oh shit he's right" and then externalize their suffering the same way you have, projecting the blame onto the same thing you have, Neptune. Then you can have your little witch hunt and sacrifice this planet to your personal ego, because you think that will actually solve anything or make you feel any better. It won't. It's no different than some alcoholic turning to alcohol and the bar life, finding solace in booze and companionship.

>>42588836
You need Neptune for inspiration creativity and with it invention it's completely necessary even if it can make you go insane if you drown in it's waters

>>42588836
Neptune didn't do nuthin', he's a good boy

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>>42588836
This is now a Saturn hate thread.
Fuck the hexagon worshipping black-cube-tiny-hats.
I hate the anti-christ.
I denounce the Torah and Talmud.

>>42594334
Thanks for the list.

You list illusions as being the main definition of Neptune and proceed to give the very significant example of video games, movies or entertainment tricks - in general, escapism. I don't understand how all these are at odds with the themes in the OP. Because outside of the context of "moderate relaxation", illusions tend towards the malefic side through deceit, veiling, misleading aspects of reality.

And for example, schizophrenia is just that - a split between consensus objective reality and individual or spiritual reality. It creates illusions (in the form of hallucinations, delusions, disorganized behavior etc)

Anyway
>This has nothing to do with what is real, what is true, or helping people, or improving anything, or growing, or learning. You just want to throw a tantrum and get cred for it. You want to virtue signal and hope that other people suffering the same way you are in life, will think "oh shit he's right" and then externalize their suffering the same way you have, projecting the blame onto the same thing you have, Neptune. Then you can have your little witch hunt and sacrifice this planet to your personal ego, because you think that will actually solve anything or make you feel any better.
I don't see you preaching the same thing on Saturn hate threads which have been multiplying lately. I am actually defending Saturn for once and just shifting the perspective towards the dark side of another, stealthy planet to see how others' experience has been or what's their opinion. You told yours. I told mine.

>>42595639
No it's not brother, look around you Neptune can be just as bad. Saturn is just misunderstood and jews will latch onto anything that they can corrupt and twist to further their plans

>>42594370
Don't Venus and Jupiter aid with inspiration, creativity and beauty? As the anon above pointed that Venus is love and Jupiter is hope, these can fuel tremendous inspiration and urge to create and make the world beautiful around you. They have their own excess but at least you are less likely to go insane and be drowned in them

>>42588836
It is also associated with dreams and telepathy; rather than a higher octave of Venus, it seems more like a higher octave of the Moon idk

>>42591558
how so

I don't really know shit about astrology and don't trust it but neptune seems like a pretty cool guy I mean even if he isn't maybe that's why my life is shit maybe I should tell him to fuck off. But idk it's a cool planet it is big but not as loud and annoying as the other ones

>>42595918
The tone you are speaking in currently is not at all the tone you began with or that you've used up until this point, so I'll go ahead and just disregard the fact that you're being inconsistent with your own values at this point. I understand how badly you feel it's important to highlight the negative aspects of a planet that you personally dislike. And I know it's because it represents something that you personally are deeply influenced by and that you are literally trying to escape from right now by creating this immersive illusion for yourself that you completely believe in. The benefit of this illusion, for you, is that it allows you to go to war with Neptune, and thus direct your built up Strife at something, because you unconsciously recognize that there is something in your life you need to get rid of, but you don't want to get rid of it, or you don't know you need to. Either way, you are misdirecting your Strife toward the thing you have decided must be sacrificed, separated, severed, cut off, for the sake of maintaining the illusion you have chosen.

See, the thing is, everyone has their illusions. We can be consciously aware of it or unconsciously caught up in it. And when someone like myself comes along and very insightfully and politely tries to wake you up for a moment and give you some clarity, some proper judgment, be humble, not proud. Nobody ever needs to take their time out to even reply to you, let alone put this much personal effort into reaching out to you, literally for no reason whatsoever other than to see you improve and find hope and love in your life instead of fear and strife.

But as always, the choice is yours, and having made it clear to me what that choice is now, I guess we're done here. Best of luck to you kiddo.

>>42588836

Interesting, perhaps we should consider nuking it then?

>>42596078
throwing nukes at neptune would be like spitting into the ocean