>>42593438
> Kundalini
https://ia801602.us.archive.org/35/items/folder-20230407-20/Kundalini%20Tantra.pdf
88(start here)--> https://www.baytallaah.com/bookspdf/jonn%20mumford%20-%20chakra%20&%20kundalini%20workbook%20%5Bocr%5D.pdf <--(start here)88
https://archive.org/details/BiologyOfKundalini_201903/page/n28/mode/1up
https://maypoleofwisdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/ajit-mookerjee-kundalini-the-arousal-of-the-inner-energy.pdf
https://ia801902.us.archive.org/2/items/KundaliniEnergyOfTheDepthsLilianSilburn/Kundalini%20Energy%20of%20the%20Depths%20-%20Lilian%20Silburn.pdf
https://www.scribd.com/document/848500622/Kundalini-Psychosis-or-Transcendence-text
>I don't want to read some scitzo bs
Here is an academic reference https://www.theosophy.world/sites/default/files/ebooks/Goswami/Laya-Yoga%20by%20Shyam%20Sundar%20Goswami_0.pdf
>I'm Christian, this got to be Satanic or something
Nw https://www.sheshnaag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/kundalini_and_christianity.pdf

>reiki (search on annas library)
https://archive.org/details/spiritofreikicom0000lube
https://www.scribd.com/document/897977387/Reiki-the-Healing-Touch-First-and-Second-Degree-Manual-William-Lee-Rand-JRT-Hayashi-Healing-Guide-Ed-Updated-Ed-Southfield-Vision

>>42593441
>Vril/other
88(start here)--> https://dn721604.ca.archive.org/0/items/bruce-robert-new-energy-ways/Bruce%2C%20Robert%20-%20New%20Energy%20Ways.pdf <--(start here)88
88(start here)--> https://ia803200.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/26/items/ebook-buddhism-2/EBOOK%20BUDDHISM%202.rar&file=EBOOK%20BUDDHISM%202%2FSUDAH%2FNOVICE%2FENG%2FUpasaka%20Culadasa_The%20Mind%20Illuminated.pdf <--(start here)88
right concentration a practical guide to the jhanas (on annas library)
https://libraryofagartha.com/Ancient%20History/Hyperborea%20and%20Atlantis/VRIL%20Compendium%20Vol%202%20VRIL%20Telegraphy-%20(%20PDFDrive%20).pdf
https://monoskop.org/images/c/c9/Becker_Robert_Selden_Gary_The_Body_Electric_Electromagnetism_and_the_Foundation_of_Life.pdf
https://archive.org/details/vril-compendium-vol-1-vril-white-ray-conductors/page/n201/mode/2up

>>42593445
If this doesn't fit your taste you can find search for them here

(warning like 50Gb (selectively downland what you want)
Energy Healing
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:ddef332eb2e7b45b7d50f6924f2ff73fe6141557&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fconcen.org%3A6969&dn=Theoccult.click+Content+Leaked+%28Part14%29+EnergyHealing&xl=68476885815

(warning like 300Gb (selectively downland what you want)
Taoism, Daoism
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:d6cc2a6223094d53986ab5f4bdc826248922d262&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fconcen.org%3A6969&dn=Theoccult.click+Content+Leaked+%28Part21%29+Taoism+Daoism&xl=26439638413

TLDR: Just practice/partake in: fasting, a raw diet, overt-generosity, moderate celibacy, compassionate action, breathwork, meditation and adventure

Pervious thread: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42546491/#42546491

>>42593454
(Not me talking)
Look for the links which have the
88(start here)--> Name <--(start here)88
These are all legit and helpful sources verified by me another multiple other people, just remember everyone is different, what worked for you wont work for others thats why there is a range of methods to use.
You should expect to see notable results (and not just "I felt a tingle up my ass" as in you will be energised and be able to clearly define your energy) around 2-3 weeks in, keep going for a couple months there wont be a doubt in your mind, if you ------>continuously/constantly<----- do the methods linked in the sources.

IF you are New New I unironically recommend N.E.W energy ways and embryonic breathing, the results are the quickest

Also If you want to a goal to head for as a beginner. Here is one everyone should do

IMPORTANT
***********
GOAL: Master stillness
************
IMPORTANT

The topic of semen retention was brought up last thread, so I thought I will share my own opinions on it.

>If you don't lose it you will lose it
Now I'm not saying to jack off every-day, that will obviously stunt your growth in your journey of cultivation; but if you completely neglect your dick, problems will arise (Such as an ED and other mental problems).
I personally believe jacking off every two weeks or so as a beginner is fine and you shouldn't beat yourself up if you do. You have a dick of a reason and if you want to work with the Dao you have to work with your nature.
Then this might raise some confusion because in the pervious thread as I said you should maintain a from of celibacy for 100 days; but know this, if you have a "streak" for 30 days and jack off that one day, you still maintain the benefits of those 30 days after! (I know, tuff pill of SRG to handle) the problem lies if you fall into a form of degeneracy after and just become a gooner; just make sure you make a continuous effort to stop your addiction.

Obviously this is my own opinion and you are entitled to your own beliefs but I just thought I should share a piece of my mind

>>42593441
I do not advise kundalini practices they can lead to psychosis events.

>>42593501
Only if you are unprepared, you only go under a "kundalini psychosis" (which is just a new age term) if your awakening was triggered by some sudden event and you have no foundational practice to help ground yourself.

Now thinking on this I think we should change
>Kundalini
To
>Tantra

How are you guys going along within your journey

>>42593602
I'm working on my meditation skill using The Mind Illuminated. The terminology used there is very clear and it goes in depth in lots of interesting phenomenons that I had questions about.
I dropped the energy work to make time though.Actually, I dropped a lot of things to just focus on this. I only kept the breathwork and the stretching exercises to get more confortable in the meditation postures.

>>42593820
>I dropped the energy work to make time though.
Thats perfectly fine, the /ECG/ more or less acts as a general of internal alchemy more than anything else, thats also why topics like breathwork -in a general sense-, AP, mediation, etc are discussed here. (granted they all have a relation to EC)

I think changing the general into Internal alchemy would be more appropriate

.

>>42593438
What happened to the last thread?

>>42594648
Deleted, this has happened to like 6 ecg threads already

>>42595894
but why?

>>42593438
Hello, last thread I asked and got some answer but I would like to ask again.
For a few months I've been practicing the Middle Pillar as described by Echols book specifically, but in general I've read other Golden Dawn books and the general idea is the same.
I've been practicing it, but I don't feel any particular energy increase within me, nor do I see anything peculiar, when practicing the "moving around" of the aura from bottom to top after the creation of all the energy spheres I feel some kind of energy moving, but that's about it.
I don't particularly rush things, I breathe in and visualize then vocalize the divine names, basically as Echols describes.
I ask if someone has suggestions or guidance in what I should feel, or what I should do to improve energy manipulation in general.

>>42593491
>but if you completely neglect your dick, problems will arise (Such as an ED and other mental problems).
this is incorrect and is a fanciful lie to encourage the plebes to abuse dopamine
when the perineum is properly included in breathwork, that takes care of this problem, which is why in master Yang's ymaa stuff, one of the listed benefits is
>winning the bedroom war
so please do not include this falsehood in future ECG threads

>>42593491
bottom line is that one should not consume porn
any sexual activity should be real, live, with a woman
beating your meat provides 0 energy balance

>>42593866
>I think changing the general into Internal alchemy would be more appropriate
very much disagree, internal alchemy is a whole nother thing with way too many hidden and secret aspects

>>42596226
because jannies are trannies and they want /x/ to be like the daily world news with bat boy on the cover of it, so many threads that contain real good solid information just wind up outright deleted by the trannies

>>42596771
this happens when one tries practices that require an already established foundation and they dont got one
Vizzini always tol me to go back to the beginning, so thatsa where I go

>>42596771
How much years have you been doing the LRP

>>42593491
>ervious thread as I said you should maintain a from of celibacy for 100 days
That was me, who are you?

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>>42596804
>you MUST be blessed by le holy used vagoo or else!
on a sliding scale of hand, both hands, onahole, advanced onahole, realdoll, gynoid, woman - at which point does the magical qi preserving blessing appear? if your name is Buck and a woman in a coma is what you fuck, do you lose qi or not? if a guy shoots inside a woman and another guy vents without ejaculating using an onahole until he gets bored, who wins?

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>>42596226
christian janny on an e-crusade

>>42593517
tantra is just a name for all advanced secret dharma though, and not all energy work is hidden within tantra, and tantra isn't entirely about practical work. yoga is the word you're looking for

>>42597176
About 3 years or so.
There was a time I was doing it each day, basically without fail.
In the last year I've been doing it once every three day or so.
In the beginning of my practice I would only do LBRP and LBRH, later one I started doing them with MP as well.
I also meditate for about 20 minutes before doing those.

>>42597381
Follow Israel Regardie version instead, even if it version only slightly changes. better to stick with him when practicing western esoterism

>>42597445
I'll see, I remember reading the MP book by Regardie, but not seeing much difference.
How long have you been practicing it and what have you seen/found of interest as you practice it?

>>42593602
I thank the previous OP for posting the thread when I needed it the most. Picked up bagua to carve my body into something useful. Empirically verified the existence and importance of qi with a/b tests. You literally cannot move properly without qi. You will not have the strength or balance necessary, and no simple warmup or stretches can grant you that. I've already been moving in tai chi style before, without instruction, just compelled by body soreness, but I had no idea why does it sometimes work and sometimes it doesn't; it requires doing qigong in advance and a steady breath throughout. I can now walk without subjecting my body to any shock and never run out of breath as a result. Stopped loading my joints entirely, nothing is clicking or creaking. I lose like 100g of excess fat a day and broke through what was a strange 'floor' in my diet. I now know the mechanics of paradoxical states like "too tired to sleep" which western models of energy and fatigue are too simplistic to explain.

>>42593438
>Qi, Tao
do not confuse the natural order and way of things with the energy you can harness by following it

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>>42597269
>plastic provides me a good enough energy balance
>every bit as good as sex, I'd imagine

>>42597569
pick up a copy of tom bisio's circle walking nei gung

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>>42597760
answer my question simp, or concede that you attribute magical properties to social approval and yet preach celibacy, and yet somehow mysteriously lack the concept bad sex in your cosmology. it's all good as long as you "earned" it, no matter how low you degraded yourself for it, right?
i remember your image from the jannied thread. don't you have a bigger folder? and even is that from, why do you save this? why do you watch that?
it seems what you crave is the residual semen of past ejaculators, not the vagina

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>>42597831
cripes, look at what no sex ever does to a man
your post is incoherent and angry, like you wish you'd gotten laid even once

>>42597831
Anon have you ever had sex before? like ever?
serious question.

Just know there is an exchange in energy's between the male and female. you fucking your had will do nothing for you

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>>42597872
Yep, this is what avoiding used holes did to me. I regularly turn down what you had to beg for. It feels pretty great. Precisely zero indirect or direct contact with other males in my life. Are you gonna delete the thread again like you did last time?

>>42597885
Okay, well, then you are also absorbing the energy of all her past partners. You can't have it both ways. Which is it? All ejaculation bad regardless of source, or there is an energy exchange and you should be careful about what you connect to your body? Pick one.

>>42597916
I will answer your question if you answer mine first

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>>42597922
Concession accepted. You enjoy the energy of other men.

>>42597906
bruh, I'm in my 50s, and I had more sex before I was 20 than you will ever have in your entire lifespan, and I never had to beg for it even once
you're not even typing anything interesting
contribute to the thread or go fuck off somewhere

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>>42597984
Okay and? Say I was in a coma until last month. Or maybe I was trafficked into slavery and just got out. Why should I feel ashamed of this? What are you trying to make me do, go and acquire some diseases because an old circumcised moid on 4chan won't approve of me? You're going to die soon and miss out on a lot of things I get to see. Maybe even immortality tech. Why should I care about what your advanced neuroherpes is making you say in its effort to acquire more hosts? You are partially castrated yourself. You will literally never have a single experience that I'm capable of. Meanwhile:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-021-01138-6
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23685995/
>contribute to the thread or go fuck off somewhere
You got fucking told and now you're telling me to leave. You're the one trying to propagandize me into risking my health and dignity for ego approval, in a spiritual cultivation thread of all places. Who even browses 4chan at 50? Shouldn't you be playing with grandkids? Are you a moderator of this pathetic shitpit? Then do what you must and give me the rage global already.

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>>42598073
You are getting pretty mad fren, relax.

He just has a different opinion to you nothing to get worked up on.

>>42597569
>I thank the previous OP for posting the thread when I needed it the most.
No worries friend; I'm glad it helped.

>>42598098
>more text than a tweet means mad
>le breathe!
I know how to breathe thank you very much. Please don't misuse instructions of actual qi techniques to tell people to calm down like a fat curly-haired new age talk show host, lest someone starts avoiding them for this reason.
>different opinion
That's not a different opinion, that's an ego-driven boomer reaching for argumentum ad vaginum when confronted with his taste for other men's semen and yang energy. Hope it's not you cause that would mean this entire general is tainted.

I remember reading some yoga thing where if you don't hold the root lock your energy dissipates. Is there any truth to that? I haven't figured out how to tell if I'm even doing the root lock.

>42598148
>Please don't misuse instructions of actual qi techniques
This is just bowl breathing, this is the foundation of the foundation, but it just helps people calm down so I'm just giving you a reminder.

>That's not a different opinion, that's an ego-driven boomer
There really isn't anything wrong with someone of age popping in and out of here. Yes it may be weird if he was on /r9k/ or something, but from what i can see he is just giving advice. What have you done?

>reaching for argumentum ad vaginum when confronted with his taste for other men's semen and yang energy.
He never mentioned anything about homosexuality, the fact that you cant stop talking about it, is pretty telling.

>Hope it's not you cause that would mean this entire general is tainted.
tbf; you are the one fucking this general up, I'm sorry but I'm just being honest.

Take a break, do what you need to do and come back later.
I don't think this topic is benefit to anyone anymore, so lets just drop it.

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>>42598181
Well thanks for the books but you and the guy you're defending are clowns. I won't challenge your ego any more, feel free to track imaginary vagina points for each other and call it cultivation.
>the singlequote of contempt
good fucking heavens

>>42598156
>your energy dissipates
Can you expand on what you mean by "dissipates".

>I haven't figured out how to tell if I'm even doing the root lock.
Well you will know after a while if you are able to now clearly define the location of your perineum (this is also around where your muladhara chakra is located at).
And also the other benefits you gain for yoga, such as lower heart rate, calmness, etc.

Keep going at it until there is little to no strain when entering the pose and you can hold it comfortably

.

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>>42593438

>>42598217
What I read may have been wrong. I think I was only looking into the Mula Bandha to try and figure out if that was the reason this content creator I watch almost never goes to the bathroom.
I have focused on my root a few times and felt pulsing around my taint. Holding that muscle though has not seemed to make any difference yet.
Whatever I read claimed your accumulated prana just left you if you weren't holding the root lock, if I recall.

>>42598148
how to even deal with retards like this, if to even bother at all
go back to plebbit, I suppose

>>42598522
learn breathwork and achieve stillness before undertaking more advanced practices
that stuff aint what one should be beginning with

Hello fellow Daoists, this Young Junior has wondered for some time:
>What is THE book on 'chakras'?
>What is THE book on qigong?
I have a medical qigong textbook that I will realistically likely never read also can someone tell me why standing meditation with my feet buried in soil sounds appealing?

>>42599083
I'm not what you'd call a master, but I think the reason more than one book is linked in each section is because you'll probably want to read more than one.
>Qigong (topics from Taoism cross over here)
>88(start here)--> https://archive.org/details/QigongMeditation.EmbryonicBreathingByYangJwingMing/mode/1up <--(start here)88

>>42597269
ejaculation is a reflex, stimulating reflexes in absense of the correct fulfillment of the reflexive actions goal is a sign of imbalance. A man may vomit and become better, but a man wretching to vomit with no emission is a disease of some kind.

Your ol' pelvic sneeze exists to make kiddos, not a damn thing more. Any stimulation of this reflex is going to cause an imbalance.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna have a cheeky wank.

>>42599370
Women orgasm and the primary function is pleasure, not reproduction. So then does female orgasm create an imbalance?

>>42599594
If their pleasure is not derived from the correct stimulation of the reflex, yes. Have you ever spoken with a promiscuous woman?If so would you say they are balanced people?

>>42599370
>correct fulfillment
You could have other goals than enlightenment. Some lifestyle are harder to balance than other. I think that some degree of balance could be achieved if you really strive for it.

>>42600251
>You could have other goals than enlightenment.

True, but you cannot have worthwhile goals other than enlightenment.

>>42600530
I want to believe you, I believe you, yet I know I can stop believing and caring about it very fast.
I can tell it's a mixture of reasonable priorities (gotta work to pay the rent), doubt/demoralization and self-doubt in my capacity.

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>>42600615
In Chinese there is a saying which I will localize in my own way;
"Fear Not Slow Going, Fear Only No Going."
From my understanding, this is cultivation in its true sense.

As long as you don't forget that, the rest of ones inadequacies are not that concerning.

>>42599270
Of course. That's fair. I grabbed it. If you or anyone else is interested in the qigong medical text, it is called "Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy: A Comprehensive Clinical Text" by Dr. Jerry Alan Johnson. It's 1074 pages though haha.

Also, does the thread have any commentary on these two following books?
>Way of Qigong by Kenneth S. Cohen
>Llewellyn's Compete Book of Chakras

A

Has anyone looked into living statues to help will stillness?

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>>42597176
Could you decipher this for me? And tell me if it is helpful or harmful?

>>42593458
why the fuck use 88?

>>42603088
Why not?
It’s just a set of numbers

>>42603001
Isn't this Thelemic?
I wouldn't follow Alister, he inverts rituals for the lols and is kind of a nutjob

What is the actual way of gathering the chi/prana/whatever -energy, is it breathing or eating? or both? can the "energy intake" be increased? Also what are the biggest energy drains, i know orgasm is one. I really want to try Chimaxxing.

>>42604815
>What is the actual way of gathering the chi/prana/whatever -energy, is it breathing or eating? or both?
Both in a sense
But breathing is better. An adept of cultivation can live for long periods of time from just breath alone, but one can not live for a few minutes with just food alone.

>Can the "energy intake" be increased?
yes

>Also what are the biggest energy drains,
Gratification of sensual desires -through excretion for your sexual fluids-
Shallow breathing and or high breathing (breathing through your chest)
Anger -and any extreme emotion in general-. It destroys the electro-chemical balance.
Over consumption of foods and or unhealthy foods
Worship of ghosts and spirits

Astral projection is also one, although I doubt you need o worry about that

>>42604815
Both though it breaks down into more specific types depending on food/breathing method. Cultivation through diet is basically baby's first steps for external alchemy(good luck with the lead poisoning)

>>42604838
im very much interested in AP, im currently doing semen retention for the sole reason of having an OOBE/AP or similar mystical experiences through saving up the sexual energy. So doing AP actually consumes the energy? i did know that this energy is necessary to do AP though.

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>>42604865
Yes you need a strong etheric body to Ap
Although if you want mystical experiences it doesn't necessary require an OOBE.
Matter of fact some people would advice against it, such as Rene Guenon

If you are serious about it -Ap that is-, use this book

>>42597831
>>42597269
>>42597906
>Trananime poster posting incoherent misinfo
It gets tyring

>>42605032
Please ignore their bs otherwise the general gets deleted. Apply you best meditation techniques to just let it go.

So is there a book/sutra on what stones may affect which chakra?
I thought it was bullshit but it seems like wearing/touching lapis might force energy into the Vishuddha chakra.

>>42605195

yea, Doaists did a bunch of stuff with stones here is what you need
Blue Laced Agate helps with 5th chakra
Fire Agate helps with 1st and 2nd chakra
Moss Agate helps with the 1st and 4th
Amber helps with 3rd
amethyst helps with 6th and 7th and 8th also placed on the Third Eye -Sixth Chakra- to
stimulate its awakening.

there is way more but I'm lazy
Here have this
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42188260/#42188260
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42149471/#42149471

>>42605195
>>42605859
Yea look at the links

>LAPIS LAZULI
>The Lapis Lazuli mineral or gem is cobalt blue in color, flaked with gold and permeated with magic and sacred meanings. It has been greatly appreciated and sought after ever since ancient times. The ancient Chinese believed that the blood of Zhang Hong forms Lapis Lazuli in the space of three years. Lapis Lazuli is connected to the Wind Element, its ruling planet is Jupiter, and it stimulates the Fifth Chakra (throat), Upper Dantian, and Sixth Chakra (Third Eye) areas.
>stimulates the Fifth Chakra (throat)

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Hey wanted to thank OP for the last ECG. Started reading 'the magus of java' and so far it's quite interesting. Although i don't necessarily get along everything the sifu says.
One thing i noticed is that they describe the starting process of EC, and the serious taoists go for 1000 days of semen retention.

Now i know this thread isn't about SR and there is another general for it. But that's an important part of my process. right now i'm around 2 ejac a month, sometimes less. I am starting to realize this is really unsufficient. We should avoid ejaculation altogether. Now if you have a wife it's harder but it can be done too. it requires never giving in totally to arousal, never seeking excitement. You can still have sex but somehow you need to try to not seek pleasure, not enjoy it. at least that's how i imagine it. Otherwise you will ejaculate and lose an amount of your limited jing essence. This is a really good thread btw, i'm trying to learn about the step 1 where you accumulate qi in the lower dantian. But personally i'm focused on finishing to cure my anxiety and insomnia which have ruined my health in the past and are now starting to be satisfyingly under control afer a decade and half.

>>42606134
The magus of java should more or less be considered as a more intellectual book rather than a practical book. Its purpose in the links is probably to serve to show the deaths of cultivation

>>42606144
Depths*

>>42606134
> I am starting to realize this is really unsufficient.
Yea so SR is fundamental if an induvial wants to cultivate plentiful amounts of Qi.
But stand alone its not so sufficient. You have done the first step "Conversation".
Now its for the next "Transmutation". You can do this form neigong, such as embryonic breathing and bowl breathing.

Matter of fact I am going to post 4 beginner practices which everyone should do. (I have 9 stages of cultivation and 33 different practices in total, I will post Stage 1 today)

>But personally i'm focused on finishing to cure my anxiety and insomnia which have ruined my health in the past and are now starting to be satisfyingly under control afer a decade and half.
I can recommend some Minerals for you to carry which Daoist cultivators held for you to help.
For anxiety aventurine, lepidolite, amethyst and amazonite helps
Moonstone is also used to help insomnia although just doing bowl breathing for like 20 mins will do it for you

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>>42606178
Choose a place free from distraction where the air is clean and well circulated, such as high in the mountains or on the beach. Wearing loose clothing made of cotton preferably, posture so the spine is straight and the body's weight is distributed over it's center of gravity. connect the energy circulation of the governor and functinal channels, the tongue touches the soft palate of the roof of the mouth. The best time for exercising Chi Kung is 11pm-lam and is known as the time when heaven and earth are in accord.

To Begin Natural breathing by relaxing your body, releasing all the tension you have, especially in the abdomen, neck, and joints. Close your eyes and direct them on the tip of the nose. Stop all thoughts in your mind, and concentrate with gentle conscious effort on the lower abdomen. long, slow, and evenly. When inhaling the abdomen expands outward. When exhaling, relax, allowing the abdomen to contract inward slightly. When the abdomen expands it should gently form Breathe a "pot belly". Respiration should be as a circle without interruption, inhalation and exhalation changing unceasingly.

Inhale slowly and evenly for 6 seconds to complete a 100% inhalation directly into the lower abdomen. The lungs and chest should show no expansion. Relax the abdomen allowing exhalation slowly and evenly to last 6 seconds. Repeat this continuously by inhaling 6 seconds; exhaling 6 seconds.

to Regulating the breath will be difficult at first, but with practice one should be able increase the time to 30 seconds inhalation and 30 seconds exhalation. This is known as "kindling the fire". Gradually increase the time to a 9:9, 15:15 inhalation and exhalation. When thoroughly familiar with these patterns one may begin to regulate short breaths, a 2:2 or 4:4 pattern.

>>42606216
This exercise emphasizes slow, smooth, and even respiration with the abdomen. Don't think to guide the breath, merely regulate it with slow expansion and contraction of the abdomen. Diagram (A) represents the breathing of woman usually shallow and with the upper section of the lungs. (B) represents the ordinary breathing of a man as he breathes more deeply but only with the lower section of the lungs and not the abdomen. Both (A) and (B) are to be avoided. Only abdominal breathing will "kindle the fire".

>>42593438
anons i have too much energy build-up in the back of my neck, any recommendations, exercises, etc.? thanks in advance.

>>42606216
>>42606221
Embryonic breathing aims to restore the breathing pattern of the embryo in the mother's womb. The breath of an embryo is taken from it's mother through the umbilical cord. lower abdomen the embryo recieves nutrition and expanding he expells the waste.
By contracting the When beginning, this method of breathing is very simple, just breathe as an embryo. When is inhaling contract the abdomen and when exhaling expand the abdomen. The length of respiration the same as Natural breathing; 6:6, 9:9, 15:15, 30:30, although the abdominal pattern is exactly opposite. The true embryonic breath comes after the essence, chi energy, and spirit are united in the brain. One no longer breathes the postnatal breath as the prenatal energy circulates merely by concentration.

YMAA has a good book on this, its on the OP

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>>42606225
This will be a bit hard to explain in text but i will try my best

Stand up sight, take your hands out to your sides and press the palms down away from you (stand like image)

If you can tuck you chin back and in, back and in. you should feel a line of tension from your cranial base right through your neck all the way to your arms, now lean your head to one side an stretch, feel the line of tension, gently roil the head to the back of the shoulders and roll forward (slowly) to the front of the shoulder keep doing this while feeling the tension, do this while breathing for a while, then do it to the other side. after relax your arms to the side and feel the movement of energy

>>42606274
thanks anon it does work, i can also see how this could make a sort of energy "transfer" to other beings and to God.

>>42606304
>thanks anon it does work
nice

>I can also see how this could make a sort of energy "transfer" to other beings and to God.
Yea what you are describing is faqi (emitting qi) And you do need your channels open to do that, although its pretty hard to open them without the assistance of a master.

>>42605859
>>42605868
Thanks. I made a necklace last year with some amethyst on it too. One day recently I decided to leave it off when I went to work. At work I noticed I was more irritable, and the same when I came home.
Curious, I put the necklace back on and started to feel better pretty quickly.

>>42606470
sorry should've clarified. Lapis necklace with some amethyst too.

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>>42600834
i haven't read them although Llewellyn looks like a new ager

>>42604878
can't get the energy work. no sensation in the fingers and toes.

>>42608519
Humm strange, for me the fingers and toes are the easiest.
But here
Try massaging them to circulate blood flow and do toe and finger stretches
Also there is no rush, what you can do is go to places in which you can bring your awareness to and slowly try and push towards the areas you cant in some sort of pulsing action, this might take some time depending on how well you can gather awareness.

You can also just go through his energy system.
https://dn721604.ca.archive.org/0/items/bruce-robert-new-energy-ways/Bruce%2C%20Robert%20-%20New%20Energy%20Ways.pdf

>>42608577
Oh also, relating to the toe and finger stretches
close and open them repeatedly to promote blood flow, if you have a stronger level blood circulation, it will be easier to gather your awareness towards the areas

>>42604793
It was a message from someone who advised me to study under Hippocrates. *This was from a video game shutdown 'event' when I was asking for random people to mail me a letter and share a secret or anything haha
Of all the random /x/ knowledge that has been sifted into my brain over the years, I never developed much interest or spent time learning about the concept of rituals and other related things.

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>>42609090
Im glad someone saved this, I didnt want to make it again but I cuthat together before we had a thread.

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>>42608577
how subtle is the sensation supposed to be?

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>>42593438
> There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
> - Proverbs 14:12
> And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
> - 2 Corinthians 11:14
hey anon. these alternative pathways of increasing your consciousness are a trap. without having converted your dual spiritual state (a demon yoked together with an angel) to one new man in the Spirit, having the Holy Spirit. These paths will lead to the bottomless pit.
> Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace
> - Ephesians 2:15
ABC's of Salvation:
To be safe for all eternity:
A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour. Repent. Turn away from your sin and toward Jesus. (Matthew 4:17; Romans 2:4, 3:10, 6:23; Acts 3:19)
B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for your sins and rose again, and that He will come again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work on the cross. (Romans 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8-9)
C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord. (Romans 10:9-10, 10:13, 14:10-11; Philippians 2:10)
The Spirit of Christ is with you and the full Armor of God is on you, fren. God bless and many blessings to you.
You are loved.

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What you call Chi or "Energy" is actually a self-induced tactile hallucination. I know because I learned to induce and control them, and used them to systematically reverse engineer the art of self-induced hallucinations, culminating in learning to induce waking lucid dream states some call "astral travel."

This guide details more: https://pastebin.com/vHKeTau2

Learning and practicing this enhanced my powers of imagination and visualization which were put to the test when I built one of the most successful 3D art businesses in Second Life: https://npirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/next-big-thing-in-virtual-worlds-that.html

>>42611334
Why do Jews have a sick and twisted spiritual BDSM fetish they want to impose on everyone else?

>>42609090
Which book is this from?

>>42611334
the council of nicea was a total and complete fuck job and painted a deceiving picture

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>>42611353
>What you call Chi or "Energy" is actually a self-induced tactile hallucination.

>>42611353
Imagine believing this and choosing to make yourself hallucinate lmao you would be making yourself schizophrenic if that was true

Any if you ever got any real tangible benefitt outta cultivation?

I am not thinking about a chick whos into magick, I mean more like alergies or ADHD becoming less severe.

>>42612339
Yes through qigong I healed my chronic pain and some stomach problems

Also behavioural wise; I stoped behaving like a fucking spazz. But that is from mediation in general, still can be considered cultivation though

>>42612624
What system do you practice?

>>42612339
>I mean more like alergies or ADHD becoming less severe.
goin on 20 years no colds or seasonal allergies
never had flu, ever
attain long enough average breath duration and the metabolism goes nuts like you just finished a month of a new lifting routine

I've also posted in the current SRG and want to ask here aswell:
how long should a man go without ejaculation? considering (correct me if I'm wrong) that testosterone levels stop rising after a week of abstinence and that women change their reproductive cell every month or moon cycle, should men do the same? as women are in the peak of arousal during ovulation which is right before menstruation, is that a signal that men should shed their semen every moon cycle too? there are also practicioners that only ejaculate every changing of season, or only during spring or that retain for at least three years to use the sexual energy to enhance the spirit and intuition.
i really do believe that biologically speaking sexual energy has two pathways, either for reproduction or for evolution (in the spiritual, conscious and intellectual sense).
that said i also want to ask how often should one meditate and under which conditions:
sitting in a dark room, doing breath exercise every morning or not, listening to sounds and music, and what are your general advice based on experience, thank you for your patience as English is not my first language

>>42612967
>how long should a man go without ejaculation?
a man's capacity differs with age
he can withstand a lot more of it at 18 vs 35 vs 55
more or less, just dont artificially raise it for no reason, e.g. you were looking at porn
efferent nerves attached to the testes means stimulation is a command to produce
so incels should really just not even think about it and they'll be fine
>that said i also want to ask how often should one meditate and under which conditions
habituation is a key parameter in this
breathwork is done to achieve efficiency leading to stillness, this is the essence of taoism's beginning of a single yang line progressing to the broken yin line
do breath exercises until you can achieve very long breaths and very deep stillness
keep the awareness
which is what the game is once breath mastery is fully achieved
sounds and music...keep in mind to bring the nerves from the normal sense rich yang state to the hibernation yin state, the senses must be withdrawn, so personally I dont use those things and earplugs are a better option.
the times my practice was best was when I was cultivating a bunch of times every day:
short session after waking/stretching
short session after work to disconnect from work & stress
long session at the end of the day, make this part of preparing for bed so that once you're done you go straight to bed in this deep calm state, you enter deeper stages of sleep more quickly
aside from that, grab 5 minutes where you can find it
a few breaths whenever you think of it
a moment at every opportunity
resetting yourself often in this way increases the habit energy of cultivation

>>42612190
Your meme doesn't make any sense, I linked a perception-bending guide I wrote. My claim comes from the deepest level of personal experience.

>>42612233
>Imagine believing this and choosing to make yourself hallucinate lmao you would be making yourself schizophrenic if that was true

Idiot comment filled with assumptions.

Typical 4chan losers who care about nothing, have accomplished nothing, and have nothing to show.

>>42613388
>I learned how to make myself hallucinate and have lucid dreams
just as long as you dont liken this playing around to making spiritual advancements
I study stuff from folks who talk about real and concrete things who warn against fantasy and hallucination
if you're gonna go trailblazing the spiritual everything, it helps to have a map and not completely make shit up
>Learning and practicing this enhanced my powers of imagination and visualization
reminder that the proper translation of visualization is to see clearly what is there, not imagine things and then try to make those imaginations real
I started reading your pastepin and it is full on cringe, I would not recommend that whimsical garbage to anyone
>let's get right to working on the 3rd eye
no, just no. that's not beginner shit, foundations are required otherwise you're going to make a mess of yourself
sorry to shit on your baby but reader beware, stuff like this is exactly why people say to find a reputable teacher that didnt make a bunch of bullshit up himself and act like its a path to spiritual progress
worry less about hallucinating and making things that do not exist be felt, its not getting you anywhere
>but I designed this 3d fantasy model and made an art business
its great you're not a neet, if you akshually made a buck from it, but...dreaming up shit while you are allegedly meditating is not making spiritual progress, that is daydreaming.

>>42613292
thank you very much

>>42613292
>stretching
any recommendations on that?

>>42613292
I am currently practicing with your methods. My question is: how do you deal with the emotional stuff that comes up? I have heard it being talked about as signs of purification, but is there a way to clean those stuff? Or do I just brute-force through it?

>>42613727
you're welcome
good luck and godspeed
>stretch recommendations
the body must be kept up, stretch everything
if you're under 35-40, include full lotus stretches, its the most stable sitting position
lotus is a function of open hips, so most of those stretches target hips
if hips arent open enough for it and you go too hard, you will get knee/ankle damage

>>42616481
>Or do I just brute-force through it?
stoicism, fren. stoicism.
emotional stuff can be tossed aside, its just you hindering yourself.
you can still have valid concerns without screwing up your direction over whatever those concerns are.
be pragmatic about it and discard detractors.

I've changed my meditation object to the sensation of breathing like suggested by the The illuminated Mind. Previously my attention was on the abdominal breath. It's really tough to do this change and just observe, it's often unclear how much I'm just an observer of the breath and not actively steering it.
I kept carrying on and ignored the doubts but the quality was very erratic. In my recent meditations, I've "expanded" my awareness when the distractions were at the worst and realized my breath was very shallow. And just as I realized, my breath self-corrected and all the distraction vanished. (calm mind > calm breath > calm mind > etc, this works)
So from what I read right now I just need to keep on doing this and at some point this self-correction will become automatic. It's funny how I'm trying to fight against the automatism at first, but to progress I just have to move it in the correct direction.
Anyway do you try different meditation objects sometimes ? I've tried walking meditation and candle meditation, they made me realize how calm I am in contrast with my main practice.

>>42616592
anything neat happen during your candle gazing?

>>42616612
So many tears. My focus was constantly changing when I kept the candle on the forefront of my attention. When I focus on the breath (candle gazing on the background), my vision auto-focused, no tears, clear vision, I saw everything clearly in my room, my body weirdly got really relaxed.
Next time I'm doing this I'll start by focusing first on the breath and shifting progressively the focus to the candle to keep the quiet state, the quiet state has some "inertia" I noticed.

>>42616592
>I've changed my meditation object to the sensation of breathing like suggested by the The illuminated Mind. Previously my attention was on the abdominal breath.
what do you mean exactly by the sensations of breathing, are you talking about the feeling of air flowing?
feelings of air flowing arent really helping you
they are feeding the senses with information
the whole point of breathwork is to refine to the point where the senses are not fed with this information
it follows that all of the energy that would be used by neural firings remains unconsumed, this significantly contributes to the accumulation of gung
proper abdominal breathing is the way to let the air flow through the system without raising the sesnses
>It's really tough to do this change and just observe, it's often unclear how much I'm just an observer of the breath and not actively steering it.
its like riding a bike, you pedal, coast, pedal coast
so long as one is still at the stage of requiring breath refinement, consider the path being pedaled to be not downhill at all
you refine it until the muscle memory is superlatively well programmed, then it becomes easier to focus on cultivating awareness itself (which is difficult with sense noise, random thoughts, etc)
as mastery is achieved, then we reach the stage where very little pedaling is required
this is very much a matter of conditioning, which is why I told the other anon you need many sessions per day if you really want to habituate the process thoroughly and reap those benefits

>>42616988
>feeling of air flowing?
Yes, but then what is the meditation object If you dont have sensations ? You put your attention on a thought ? Maybe the absence of breathing sensations (which is a concept/thought) ? Or maybe you reject the way they model the mind and thoughts ?
In their model, if you either perceive, or dont, and the state of not-perceiving is considered as sleeping, to avoid. You can either perceive a sensation or a thought. From what I understand so far, the aim is keeping a stable attention and having a trained awareness to keep the attention on track. What's used to sharpen the awareness is intention, and it can only exist in a state of "presence". The awareness sharpened by this technique can then be used in different contexts, outside of a sitting meditation.

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>/ecg/ fixed my Carpal tunnel

>Nobody in my normie groups believes me.

Sad

>>42617472
What did you do in particular?
Just curious

>>42611353
I can confirm all of this except for the OBE stuff since I have no interest in it. For example I learned how to make my forehead tingle by imagining shooting imaginary energy from the back of my head against the inside of my forehead. Now it happens anytime I focus on the sensation without having to visualize anything or just randomly on its own.
IMHO this is the tactile equivalent of closed eye visuals/the ringing in your ears in absolute silence + amplification with attention.
And these sensations can be amplified a LOT, that's what I'm more interested I guess. They can become so intense and pleasurable that you literally can't think or focus on anything else. At that point attention stabilises automatically and you can bliss out for hours no problem. Pretty good life hack.
I don't know if that's Qi. Maybe Qigong is just a way to manage that stuff more systematically. I don't really know anything about Qigong or other techniques, just randomly dropping by.

>>42611353
>What you call Chi or "Energy" is actually a self-induced tactile hallucination.
Does he know?

>I know because I learned to induce and control them, and used them to systematically reverse engineer the art of self-induced hallucinations, culminating in learning to induce waking lucid dream states some call "astral travel."
what fucking vital force do you have lmao? I don't think you even know what Qi means to be quite frank

>This guide details more: https://pastebin.com/vHKeTau2
This guide simplified is just how to trip balls through meditation. This is completely and utterly different to Qigong or Energy Cultivation in a general sense.

https://npirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/next-big-thing-in-virtual-worlds-that.html
Your stuff looks cool though, like a big freer dream

>le energy cultivation masters
>Mental health, Spiritual health, Mental clarity, perception, creativity, mood
>any time someone posts something negative or simply different, they all spazz out like retards, REEEing and tossing insults, behaving like little immature shits
yes, indeed, I can see it's full of expert cultivators here.

>>42617650
Standing Post meditation and Dissolving practice. Those two things disolved the blockage in my left wrist that i have had since I was about 12 or 13. Too much video games an not enough tai chi probably caused it.
>>42611353

>What you call Chi or "Energy" is actually a self-induced tactile hallucination.
If I had my thermometer I could demonstrate localized temperature drops along my meridians inducable through practice.

>>42617716
First, image
Second, the response here are relatively clam compared to other threads. You don't really see people telling rude people to clam down and relax so that they can come back with a clear mind later in good faith, other than on here additionally if the other person has a simply different opinion, they are usually just talked to normally
Third, you know the idea that the cultivator is some wise old Chinese man with a big old beard is a myth? I know some tai chi teachers which shot at the tv sometimes. Also you can still be a really shitty guy and get into cultivation, thats why qigong masters would refuse to teach people with bad intentions.

Yes, indeed, I can see that you don't understand what it means to cultivate.

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>>42617745
I see it means learning how to find excuses.
enjoy your cope responsibly.

>>42617758
Its not cope if it works lol
But you are free to believe whatever you want to

>>42617716
>my stuff is just DIFFERENT, ok?
no, you made a bunch of stuff up that doesnt have anything in common with any path that gets people advancement
it skips fundamentals entirely
it proceeds straight to the things that beginners are taught to save for later when they have a foundation for it, and not even in any real way aside from playing with the shit
it is entirely made up, haphazard, not even thought out
sorry fren them's just facts and a reader would have to be insane or stupid to practice from your play manual

>>42617749
That is Not the Dunning Kruger effect, which is ironic

>>42617894
Its the first one which let me downland it which wasn't and WEBP file
But you get the point

now we know this thread won't be dying of old age.

>>42617918
Is this like a pun?
I'm confused?

>>42597269
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>>42598148
holy based

>>42617939
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>>42617929
the old threads were deleted after some arguments started.

What could be a permanent sensation that's simultaneously electric, magnetic, and "etheric", located most prominently in the forehead, top of the head, middle of palms and various other spots on the head (including the nose), that's capable of increasing in magnitude by merely thinking about it and fluctuating between a cool breeze and cold rush? There's no initial conscious input required. I canceled any "esoteric" activity multiple times over long periods with no change.

>>42611353
>>42617663
I can comment on OOBE stuff. I learned it and experienced permanent sensations the year after, whether that's related I cannot confirm. It started with steroscopic meditation that seemingly only boosted intensity, recall and lucidity of dreams but eventually allowed me to jumpstart my first OOBE. To me, these aren't hallucinated and no dreams at all. The threat I perceive is drifting into a dreamlike state that reduces consciousness and dulls out the experience. I saw the real world as far as I am aware and while it was straining it left me with no doubt.
I'm also not willing sensations consciously into existence. But when I do, like via Robert Bruce's tactile imagination exercises, they're not longlasting but act as huge boosts towards the state of AP/OOBE without even trying.

>>42618071
>What could be a permanent sensation that's simultaneously electric, magnetic, and "etheric", located most prominently in the forehead, top of the head, middle of palms and various other spots on the head (including the nose), that's capable of increasing in magnitude by merely thinking about it and fluctuating between a cool breeze and cold rush? There's no initial conscious input required. I canceled any "esoteric" activity multiple times over long periods with no change.

Anon, mi sorry but I doubt anyone here has something which can do that permanently, You would probably be some master yogi some sorts. At most you may be able to do it for a short period of time. But I'm sure if you are able to induce it temporarily you can keep doing it and make it longer. Just like how a muscle works

>>42618071
>I saw the real world as far as I am aware
If you are really curious you can just do the card test before/next time you AP

>>42618108
I'm very much not 'doing' anything and I've questioned multiple people on this issue already, without ever finding conclusive answers. I cleared up medical issues and read multiple materials. I never have to "do" anything to induce it and yet it persists, no matter what. I can make it become stronger if I so wish but I don't even know what to "do" with 'it'.

Only thing I get is back of the neck tingles

>>42618212
bro just do Ymma work

>>42618071
>steroscopic meditation
What is that ?
Permanent sensations in the head ? Yes I am curious about them. They are quite a distraction while meditating, I call them phantom sensations. It could be us having permanent brain damage.

>>42618409
It means crossing your eyes to overlap the vision of both eyes to form a third image in the middle, usually of a pair of differently colored geometric shapes in this case.
And no, it's not just "the head". I'm not sure I even want to talk about it anymore. I've looked everywhere.

>>42598217
I just got here and what you seem to be misunderstanding and getting mad about is the fact that everyone besides you agrees that normal healthy sex with a woman is spiritually elevating in a unique way. Yes- there can be aspects to it that are spiritually destructive and degenerate when practiced improperly, but when done correctly, it is transformative and positive. Don’t let the overarching negativity of the world lock you out of the little bits of wisdom that are still contained within it. Don’t overcorrect and make the same mistakes as the ones who originally made you feel this cynical. I can relate to your instincts on this, but if you’ve never experienced something then your opinion on it is worthless.

>>42619198
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>>42604838
>Anger -and any extreme emotion in general-. It destroys the electro-chemical balance.
Sauce?

Avoiding PMO (porn, masturbation, orgasm) is one of the best ways to fix your energy.

New thread:
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>>42621463
Isn't the post limit before it won't bump up anymore like 320 or somethin like that?

>>42604878
So I bought this. It did not come with the CD.
Looking at amazon, it looks like there's a separate edition that's 37 dollars more that probably comes with the CD.
But I'm still a little miffed because they're selling the cheaper one using the images from the bundled one.
Guess I'll go try to find that CD elsewhere.

>>42622604
bro i can just give you the digital one for free omg

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>>42622637
Nevermind. Thanks though.
Since the listing and the image posted here said it came with a CD I was expecting that.
The cover is missing the "bundled" line but the back has an explanation.

Very intriguing general fellas, especially in the sea of dogshit that this board has been reduced to, carry on

>>42604878
I doubt that. I've talked to many experiencers and they all agreed that people overglorify AP/OOBE with dogmatic ideas like needing a strong etheric body. Perpetuating such rumors does a lot of damage to the actual science. Once I learned I studied the materials of "MAP in 90 days" and the energy work part increased the rate of spontaneous OOBE. Robert Bruce is flawed but still decent. The chakric locations aren't all correct, for example, but that's irrelevant because stimulating chakras isn't what causes OOBE. Being able to feel the sensations themselves provides a superior feedback on your progress. I had an OOBE each time I fell asleep, feeling myself exiting as a wave of surging energy but leaving me barely able to move or see once outside. I'm questioning if that's an "etheric" projection. The "astral" is more akin to mix between that and a lucid dream.

I consider anyone who advices against OOBE not worth listening to. It is singlehandedly the most useful skill anyone can learn to boost all faculties of ESP/paranormal powers. It is not just the mere act of "leaving your body" but the expansion of consciosuness.

>>42622712
I would say it's always been bad. I've been here occasionally since 2009. Most of this board was just dumb "spooky" things like greentexts and talking about Slenderman. It's all the same mindless chatter it's always been. Just beware of the cult leaders roaming these parts. They're always looking for prey to indoctrinate.

>>42616639
I haven't really done much reading in this subject yet. I'm reading through Satchidanada's translation of Patanjali's Sutras, but I'm pretty busy so I'm making slow progress.
I asked because I had also just done some candle gazing.
The main point for me was trying to train my attention so it was only on the flame.
After a few minutes I'd try to see what the impression of it looked like on my eyelids. And focus on that a bit.
Once, I started to see a light-blue kinda tapered cylinder. It started to get markings on it so it looked like a light-blue pinecone. And it was spinning really fast.
It was either now or right before that that I decided to take my focus from the flame and try to direct it inwards. I felt a rush of energy up my back.
I think I still have a bit of a headache from this.

>>42622712
New here?

>>42623165
It was definitely way better 10 years ago than now you can't lie

>>42626267
Sadly not

Anyone here read/practice from the Neiye? Seems like the oldest Daoist source on qi cultivation
>>42611353
Crazy part of the internet is that I have known you (Omniquery) for years and didn't even first encounter you on this site. Hope you are finding good things in life.

>>42623112
>he energy work part increased the rate of spontaneous OOBE. Robert Bruce is flawed but still decent.
is there an accessible energy work system available better than his? particularly for self-healing

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>>42593491
You don't know shit.

Please refrain from talking about topic you have no knowledge about.
Also 100 days isn't that much i have done 80 days and while you feel an extra layer of energy and stamina it's still rather thin. From what i read 1000 days is more like the real deal but everything is relative.

>>42596810
>>42595894
>>42597291

How can we avoid this? i just discovered these ecg threads and they are really good. before that i thought /X was just a bunch of schizoids losers babbling about ridiculous esoterical and aliens theories
We would need a discord.

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>>42606178
for anxiety i just lay down and breathe until the parasympathetic system is triggered. I made great progress and i used to have random heartbeat spiking during times of anxiety with an average heartrate of like 77 bpm. After a few months of doing this, basically forcing the parasympathetic circuits to activate by long relaxation period every day and before sleep, i now have an average heart beat of 69bpm at rest. I couldn't believe it. It tooks a few months to happen.
Basically strengthen the yin forcefully. It also helped me cure my insomnia that was on and off since 15 years.
>>42606228
i do ton of this since almost 10 years. But only daily regulation and regular practice brought results. The western medical understanding of anxiety is actually very good and i needed to get it to finally cure myself. It's a bit too long to explain.

What do you mean when you say 9 stages of cultivation?

>>42597569
>bagua
What did you pick up? Any books you would recommend specifically from your experience? Been going to the gym for quite a while now but I want my workouts to be based on proper qi and cultivation techniques rather than just basic weightlifting routines.

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>>42630172
>What do you mean when you say 9 stages of cultivation?
this.
I say 33 because some can be condensed

>>42630138
>We would need a discord.
No

>>42630875
at which levels can you do super powas like in that book magus of java? asking for a fren

>>42631129
Noting like that on here in particular; you want to do what John Chang does right?
It will take you many decades.
Its good to have ambitions but you should really focuses on what's 2 steps ahead of you, not what's miles in front.
I will eventually post all these practices finally ending in MCO here, but in the mean time I want you to be able to kindle the fire>>42606216. Come back to me when you make progress

>>42631166
i won't be able to do any of that any time soon. it took me almost 20 years to figure out and cure my mental and physical issues. i am currently looking forward to normality and enhanced energy / stability , but i'm not even there. Still curious about higher things provided these things actually are real

>>42631197
> i am currently looking forward to normality and enhanced energy / stability
If thats the case the program I'm posting will be great for you!

>Still curious about higher things provided these things actually are real
Just keep reading the MOJ and other works if you really are curious

>>42631211
yeah, i'm gonna have to bump this excellent thread/ How do you get more qi in lower dantian like first stage of MOJ

>>42631211
>>42633936
so i just read in MOJ he says you need 81 hours of actual meditation, like deep advanced meditative state. That doesn't make much sense to me. What do you think?

>>42635380
For what?

>>42635389
to reach what they call the 1st level, accumulating yang qi in the lower dantien. I have to say i'm halfway through the book and i have mixed feeling about it. The taoists fighting like dbz is a bit too big for me to swallow. But what do i know.

>>42635450
>to reach what they call the 1st level, accumulating yang qi in the lower dantien. I have to say i'm halfway through the book and i have mixed feeling about it.
> need 81 hours of actual meditation, like deep advanced meditative state.
If you are talking about connectively like 81 hours straight then no lol;
I'm sure that may be A method (though I haven't heard of it in particular), but its not the only method, just like how there are different ways to go to point A to point b.
If you just do a continues practice every day you will eventually accumulate qi. Such as stomach breathing.

>The taoists fighting like dbz is a bit too big for me to swallow. But what do i know.
We it depends; are they shooting out ki balls at each other? if so no.
But is it dangerous shit, yes. one of the reasons that real Taoists fighting stopped was because too much people were dying after fights.
Although after a certain level you can do some crazy stuff. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the book exaggerates some stuff, it is a book after all

>>42635610
they supposedly throw some qi at each others. Super duper high level masters only. One random guy gets killed by it and he ends up like a jelly fish, bone structures completely flacid.

And supposedly 2 high levels master fought for 3 days in china and ruined everything around them. Then they basically killed each others in one last attack. Way too cinematic. Gonna keep reading tho i think there is some good stuff but i'm a bit disapointed every time i come across something too unbelievable.

>>42635610
an not 81 hours, he just say u have to reach deep meditation, which is very hard for an average person, they get at most a few minutes in one hour of meditation. At this point you accumulate some desired type of qi. need 81hours total of this, so can take years. Just what the book said, don't know what to think about it.

>>42635839
>they supposedly throw some qi at each others. Super duper high level masters only. One random guy gets killed by it and he ends up like a jelly fish, bone structures completely flacid.
have I read about this before? yes
Have I heard this come out of a masters mouth? no
I have read about similar things within books, but I have never heard of this being talked about in person.
This doesn't mean that its impossible, I do think its possible but like only 10 or so people can do this now granting its real

>>42635844
Well in that case yea thats pretty reasonable granted you mediated like every day for hours.
>. At this point you accumulate some desired type of qi.
Yea, yang only gets complete to Ying when you reach complete stillness, so I understand where he is coming from.

big info next post

>>42635941
Conservation, Restoration, and Transmutation are the basic principles of storing and circulating chi energy. Conservation involves stopping the loss of sexual energy. Restoration entails correct diet, curbing every kind of desire, calming the emotions, and keeping the body, mind, and spirit in the middle way avoiding extremes. Transmutation occurs in this stillness of mind and body by regulating the breath. One hundred days is usually enough time required to transform the essence to subtle form and awaken the heat current of chi energy (depending on age and health).

After the essence (sexual hormones and fluids) has been transformed to subtle form by the inner heat current derived from nutrition and regulated breathing, one should hold it (by force of the will) in the ocean of chi until the heat current ascends the from the Hui Yin energy center -or within tantra the Muladhara- (between the genitals and anus) through the spinal column (governor channel) to Bai Hui energy center (the soft spot on top of the head). With the tongue as a connector the heat energy current descends from the top of the head down the front and center (functional channel) of the body to the point of origin, Hui Yin energy center. This circle of energy circulating around the torso is known as "hsiao chou tien" or the small heavenly cycle and is commonly referred to in English as the Micro-cosmic orbit.

The heat current has been described as a feeling of warm or hot water circulating up the back and down the front of the face and torso. After the first "turning of the wheel of the law" or complete circuit, the circulation will be automatic in accord with respiration, the heat ascending with inhalation and descending with exhalation. This stage is the foundation of Internal work and Qi gong, and represents the beginnings of the higher levels of Shen Kung (spiritual work).

>>42635954
When beginning Qi gong exercises one must pay attention to the details of place, clothing, time, posture, prohibitions, diet, visualization, concluding the exercises, etc. By close attention to these details the energy will manifest as a heat sensation in the lower abdomen usually within three to four months of daily consecutive practice. Remember that effectiveness depends on the degree of mental concentration. When beginning one may use the imagination to direct the Qi energy until the genuine heat current manifests and subsequently rises and falls automatically with respiration through the governor and functional channels.

To accumulate the heat energy in the lower abdomen one should practice the methods of natural breathing (with the abdomen)(which i already posted>>42606216), embryonic breathing(which i might post myself But its literary the first link recommend in the op), and silent sitting. (which i will post)

>>42635954
>>42635964

love the effort post and genuine good will of sharing this knowledge in simplistic terms. I try the micro cosmic orbit but so far i have felt nothing, but im a noobie on these things.

>>42636295
>I try the micro cosmic orbit but so far i have felt nothing, but im a noobie on these things.
if you have just started and started “feeling somthing” that would shock me lmao.
Just kindle the fire if you are a novice

>>42636325
Oh also if you mean you are trying to do the mco now. Don’t do it, if you have just began all it will do will damage you. Please stick to the basics

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>>42635964
Silent sitting is a most efficient meditation and if practiced without supplement will awaken the heat sensation of chi energy.

Silent sitting will increase the concentration on the lower abdomen area, cultivating the positive fire. It will be done in seven steps and should be preceded by Natural breathing.

ONE. Use natural breathing with the mind concentrating on the lower abdomen. Focus the eyes (opened) on a point directly in front of you and even with them, not looking up nor down. The distance should be about 6 feet. Continue step one for three to five minutes.

TWO. Without interrupting your breathing or losing your focus, shift and stop the eyes at a point on a 45 degree angle down and in front of you at a distance of 3 feet. Continue only three to five minutes.

THREE. Continue natural breathing while shifting and fixing the eyes to a point directly between your feet. Concentrate here only three to five minutes.

FOUR. Continue natural breathing while bringing the pupils of the eyes in unison by concentrating them on the tip of the nose. Concentrate here for three to five minutes.

FIVE. Allow the eyes to close gently, maintaining concentration on the tip of the nose. Continue breathing naturally as you practice feeling the air enter the nose and descend to the lower abdomen. The air should feel cool as you inhale. Feel the air leave the lower abdomen as you exhale a warm breath. Continue this for three to five minutes.

SIX. Continue natural breathing and listen to the sound of the air as it flows smoothly into and out of the lower abdomen. The breath should be subtle and not coarse. Continue this for three to five minutes.

>>42636634
SEVEN. Shift your concentration totally to the lower abdomen (3 inches below the navel). The eyes (still closed) should be crossed to bring the pupils in union and looking down (gently) into the body to see (with the mind) the lower abdomen. The mind should be without thought and concentrated on the abdomen as it expands and contracts. Now, change the breathing to a three, three, six rhythm. Inhale for three counts (heartbeats) slowly and evenly, stop the breath for three counts, and then gently exhale for six counts. (The breath should be so gentle that it doesn’t cause the nasal hair to move when inhaling and exhaling. Ancient Taoist recommended trimming hair from the nose to remove obstruction of the breath. However, with today’s pollution in the cities, it serves a most necessary function.)

You should when sitting silently, be able to perceive your heartbeat, but if not, count three seconds inhalation, three seconds pause, and six seconds exhalation. Continue this three, three, six rhythm until all thought of self and others disappears. You will find your breathing is regulated of itself and you no longer are counting. This is efficient meditation and cannot be achieved in a short time. You may feel your body has disappeared and cannot be felt, or that you are blissfully floating. The breath will become so subtle that it will be imperceptible. This step should be practiced as long as time allows.

Do not move abruptly in order to avoid scattering the chi energy and spirit. First exhale from the mouth as you imagine impurities in the body are being expelled from the psychic channels. Next, before opening your eyes rub your palms together counter-clockwise and place them over your eyes. Inhale naturally, absorbing the warmth into the eyes and bringing it down into the lower abdomen. Do this three times then open your eyes slowly. Wait for your body to cool down before moving.

>>42636642
The daily practice of these three exercises will (depending on age, health, and frequency of sexual relations) awaken the heat sensation known as chi energy which can be used for health and defense.

The purpose of these exercises is not to attain a great muscular development, but to have perfect health; and one person can have a strong, sound constitution who has weak internal organs. A chain is no stronger than its weakest link, and the heart, liver, lungs, stomach, and kidneys are the most vital links. Breathing exercises stimulate the flow of blood through the lungs, and thus facilitate the excretion of waste products. In heart disease they increase the circulation of blood and relieve the heart of some work, conserving its energy. The nervous systems are benefited by accelerated flow of oxygen enriched blood to the brain and promoted withdrawal of waste products. When faithfully followed several inches of increased chest capacity will also be the result.

By regulating the breath, postnatal nutrition and essence (sexual energy) are transformed to postnatal “qi energy” felt as a heat sensation in the lower abdomen. The heat current circulating in the micro-cosmic orbit (around the torso) stirs the prenatal chi energy stored in the brain and bone marrow. By refining and circulating the prenatal energy, one becomes aware of higher consciousness.

(Thought I should mention this)
Qi gong and Kung Fu are inseperable just as are body, mind, and spirit. The practicing of chuan-fa (boxing) without studying a breathing system will certainly end in failure when one comes to an old age.

>>42636343
what do you mean with basics?

>>42637008
Stillness if mind and body, breathing, posture, etc
The basics
Or just what’s here

>>42617079
>Yes, but then what is the meditation object If you dont have sensations ?
if one gets this far, then one reaches the stage of just cultivating awareness
>You put your attention on a thought ?
no, this is definitely not it
thinking consumes the same root potentials that awareness requires to manifest the spiritual light
so long as one is playing with thoughtforms, this will be a glass ceiling on one's cultivation
>Maybe the absence of breathing sensations (which is a concept/thought) ?
not that either
>Or maybe you reject the way they model the mind and thoughts?
>In their model, if you either perceive, or dont, and the state of not-perceiving is considered as sleeping, to avoid. You can either perceive a sensation or a thought. From what I understand so far, the aim is keeping a stable attention and having a trained awareness to keep the attention on track. What's used to sharpen the awareness is intention, and it can only exist in a state of "presence". The awareness sharpened by this technique can then be used in different contexts, outside of a sitting meditation.
it should be differentiated between awareness cultivating itself and focusing on other things
one should not be generating thoughts, and one should also work to eliminate that which causes the arising of randomly generated thoughts
the sense potentials themselves form the majority basis for the arising of random thoughts
this happens because the conscious and subconscious operate at different rates that dont resolve together, there's a remainder left over that must be dealt with
this remainder builds until it reaches a threshold, then it is able to jump to higher centers in the brain and resolve the discrepancy by manifesting a random thought
this is just a facet of the ruminating mind
so by eliminating the sense potentials, we eliminate the basis for the energy discrepancy
this has very important implications for the stage of the spiritual light's arising
random thoughts destroy the light

>>42618942
this sounds like a meme spiraled off of a technique to help focus on the midbrain

>>42630780
nta but Tom Bisio's bagua circle walking nei gung book is great

>>42633936
>How do you get more qi in lower dantian
where the Yi goes, the chi flows

>>42635839
>they supposedly
if you've ever met someone of truly highly advanced cultivation...
after you've met a bunch of them, you kinda stop questioning these tales because you've seen some shit yourself that has no other explanation

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>>42637125
i try to keep an open mind but when it's just too much i smell a rat. But like i said what do i know.

>>42637076
>>42636634
you seem pretty advanced in your practice. Since 10 + years i have been doing a ton of my own form of meditation.

My practice changed and evolved. I would like your opinion. The goal of my practice was to maintain some level of energy despite some extreme depletion (talking serious depletion due to personnal life and issues, not just random fatigue, like ill depleted states sometimes bordering death).
Not going into the details of how and why, it just happened and i had a few terrible years.

Anyway.
I would lay down and insist on expiring. very long expiring. I would lay down and breathe slowly, with some very long exhales there and there. I read that exhaling is yin and triggers parasympathic response. That was after doing it for years. When i was at my worse i would lay down for 4hours. it allowed me to get better, much better than a night of poor to no sleep.

After that i got better so i would just simply lay down and breathe, trying not to think of anything. At time i would try to emulate death, like if i was dead, completely letting go of anything, just laying down, no tonus, nothing, just slow soft breathing, letting the body take control. Once or twice i experienced a deep state of relaxation, like very deep, that lasted 2 hours after the meditation. very pleasant.

I tried focus meditation where you try to stop the thoughts. Once i had results and i felt like i was drifting to another level, like getting far from this reality. But i find this type of meditation demands too many efforts and what i'm looking for is rest / relaxation / activation of yin. i try to do 1 hour a day and it worked to relieve lifelong issues of anxiety and insomnia.

When i feel off, i usually feel better after 1 or 2 hours of this soft unfocused breathing meditation. Like digestion starting again, better mood, slightly better energy

>>42637180
>what i'm looking for is rest / relaxation / activation of yin. i try to do 1 hour a day and it worked to relieve lifelong issues of anxiety and insomnia.
I think the mind illuminated is something of I interest for you, https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fia803200.us.archive.org%2Fview_archive.php%3Farchive%3D%2F26%2Fitems%2Febook-buddhism-2%2FEBOOK%2520BUDDHISM%25202.rar%26amp%3Bfile%3DEBOOK%2520BUDDHISM%25202%252FSUDAH%252FNOVICE%252FENG%252FUpasaka%2520Culadasa_The%2520Mind%2520Illuminated.pdf

There is a good breathing scene in Ninja Assassin but I can't find it

>>42637089
I've seen at least three variations from three different sources. It doesn't matter anyways.

Of the library link, what's the simplest, most concise, stripped of other meaning initial work for clearing the mind?

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>>42593438
this may be a weird question and I know it does not belong here but will any of these systems help me get more proactive in my daily life? Like getting more in control of my daily actions both with other people and alone?

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>>42639622
I gave you the answer here: >>42637076
but of the books materials, ymaa embryonic breathing would come closest
but not as close as the answers I give here

>>42639821
the intent must come from you first, fren
no system's gonna help with willpower

>>42639821
yes absolutely

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>>42641045

Chakra systems are prescriptive, not descriptive.

>>42641139
Can you expand please