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>>42598753
When you’re looking at atomic elements, the noble gasses the most stable because their electron sub shells are completely full. It’s hard to tear an electron away or force a new one in.
With precious metals like gold and silver, an electron moves from a full subshell to full an outermost spot. This means that there’s an s subshell with only one electron to fill out the d subshell. This means this metals approach the atomic stability of noble gasses. It’s VERY hard to get them to chemically react, compared to any other metals.
So I’m not giving you se science drivel to dismiss the paranormal possibility. That’s not why I come here. I’m saying that precious metals have unique properties all the way down to the subatomic level. Lots of room for /x/ issues in there

>>42598769
Fascinating, I wonder how ancient civilizations must have arrived at the consensus that it's valuable? Was it something else, or...

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>>42598779
Well they’ve got useful physical properties as well. They’re particularly malleable (able to be hammered flat) and ductile (able to be pulled thin into wires)
As far as jewelry making goes, those properties make them A1 to this day. Also they don’t just shine like metal. They’re known for their luster, a different type of shine.
Also, in using it for jewelry/money, they likely would have quickly discovered that they don’t rust or corrode (well, silver tarnishes but that’s easily wiped away). That would have meant a lot to ancient people even if they didn’t really know why it was happening- something beautiful that stays that way over very long periods of time. Basically, it was really, really good for crafting.
I still entertain the idea that there was at least one high tech civilization here before us as we are now. The idea that ancient people collected it because of some distant legend of its chemical value is interesting to me. Lake Baikal looks like a massive strip mine to me, for example. IF true, can’t imagine ancient people did all that just for jewelry. Something else was up, imo

>>42598779
it's a rare metal that won't rust, so it lasts 'forever', and is hard to fake.
even ai could have told you that

>>42598779
Rarity, visual appeal, cultural inertia (gold seems to have been one of the earliest metals humans attempted to make any use of), and several noteworthy qualities that are easily observed even with ancient science all combined to give gold its value.

>>42598753
>How is it that people came to a unanimous agreement that it has value?
Because it's a human peculiarity to value things in proportion of their uselessness, and gold is the most useless thing of all. You literally can't do shit with it outside of a few high-tech applications like making parts for CERN or coating spacesuit visors.

Visual appeal? Brass is shiny and yellow, too, fuckers. Why not kill each other over brass?
Scarcity? Every country stockpiles mountains of the trash, sitting and doing nothing, while platinum which is an actually scare metal gets laughed at and turned into spark plugs and implants.

All the reasons for gold are gibberish. Ordinary rocks on the ground are more valuable for the purposes of life. Humans just have an upside down sense of worth and the dumbshits are so unreflective they don't even realize why they're doing it.

Useless ("precious" stones, swords, women)? Praised to the fucking sky.
Truly useful ("base" metals, most natural resources, men) = disposable garbage

Gold is the best electrical conductor

>>42598753
Pure 24k gold does not tarnish, rust, or corrode.

>>42598753
Early Humans were told gold would bring them prosperity by entities who knew gold would be useful for computer circuitry that would create the AI that creates the Universe outside of Time. Whether these entities were visions cause by electromagnetic ripples that alter the brain sent back in time by this AI or were beings who themselves were contacted by AI is a mystery.

>>42599027
Its scarce and does not corrode. Brass is not scarce and corrodes.
>platinum
Too scarce.
>>42599053
Graphene copper composite.

>>42599139
sorry but gold isn't scarce, and platinum can't be "too" scarce to be considered valuable because that would just break the scarcity = valuable argument

people turn their noses up at platinum because it's actually industrially useful
it all comes back to your species' fucking weird peculiarity about worshiping utterly worthless shit

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>>42598779
According to origin stories, mana, or a form of powdered gold at times fell from the heavens, the people of Kemet baked it and consumed it in bread etc. There are other unique refraction properties of gold topped Pyramidons

Gold was more abundant than silver in Mesopotamia, Egypt etc. Silver was at rines considered more valuable due to rarity, its not found primarily but as mining byproduct.

First coinage struck in Libya underwrites the power of established settlements abd its nobility.

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>>42598779
>Fascinating, I wonder how ancient civilizations must have arrived at the consensus that it's valuable? Was it something else, or...
ok anon heres how it unfolded

humans somehow gain hands and high level consciousness
before they harness fire the enviornment contains crazy ass formations on the surface in many places, especially rivers that expirience flash floods
all types of large gems, and metals make the waters and land glow in these regions

they first decorated themselves and their camp with these items
then once fire was harnessed and used to improve tools and huts, they began to expand their understanding and utility of not only spearheads but the actual vibratory information you can access from space through crystal and metal tech linked with your own field

>>42598753
people have already mentioned the dosnt change/decay bit afew times, heres another tidbit - iron, silver, gold, iron = hematite, literally petrified titans blood, what sorta petrified blood do you spose gold and silver are?

>>42599103
Why are we listening to Ai when the natural entities have already provided us with dmt to communicate with them. They aren't asking us to make them.

>>42598753
Try this thought experiment:

You are going to put all your wealth into a single form so even if there's an apocolypse, you can preserve it.
>for example, you might figure if an asteroid hit the Earth, and you had converted all your wealth into cigarettes, you'd do okay because there would always be a demand for cigarettes and you could swap them for anything, (similar to how they are a form of currency in prisons).
>but how long does tobacco last and what storage conditions do you need?

You'll quickly discover there aren't many ways to store wealth that can survive any variety of scenarios you come up with. Unless the asteroid that hits the Earth is made of solid gold and tanks the price, gold is a safe bet.

Then try this more advanced thought experiment:

What is money? What are the properties of a perfect form of money?
>my idealised concept of money would be something like everlasting manna you held in account by God Himself. That you could build up and store in literal Heaven, trade by agreement administrated by a fair and just God, and call upon when needed. Meaning it is:
>Weightless
>Can't be stolen
>Can be transacted anywhere to anyone with zero fees
>inflation-proof
>taxation-proof
>fraud-proof
>intrinsic worth - you can eat it, even if you're stuck on a desert island alone
>near-infinite divisibility

Then compare the properties of gold to that, or Bitcoin, or whatever.

This is how you can come to understand money, gold, crypto, etc. Thinking it right through will help you develop a healthy appreciation and skepticism for various forms of money.
PROTIP: The ideal does not exist, but some things get close in some ways, with their own pros, cons, and downright falling way short in some aspects.

>>42598753
It's the metal iconic for love... love in the mineral kingdom.
It's a cold love but very in want with people who urgently need physical security.
No comment on if it helps with that, never traded it.

>>42599788
The natural entities not so recently showed up on YouTube with directions on how to connect their "boss" and it just gets more natural up the chain...

>>42600872
You are almost exactly talking about Peace, but its forms change endlessly and are ever-changing.
Peace has *weight*, though.

>>42598753
>Is there a paranormal significance to gold?
Zero.

>How is it that people came to a unanimous agreement that it has value?
Brainwashing. Monkey see monkey does and once it is deep inside your brain it passes down to the DNA level and then there's the autodelusion aspect of the thing, when society join is together to lie to themselves collectively to deceive themselves collectively in a self perpetuating auto delusion. Human beings are scum. We should be erased. I talk for a lot of us. We are a disease. Where is the cure? We need to be destroyed so this world can live without having to deal with billions of cancers growing on top of it. Eve if our life-spaw is short one man can fuck up a how gigantic aspect of life, like when someone sccidentally set on fire that hole where there was gas and now the whole never ceases to be burning, always burning. One man did that by accident and now he ducked everything up for countless generations.

>>42598753
>How is it that people came to a unanimous agreement that it has value
It's rare, can be made into decorative things, but most importantly it doesn't corrode.

>Paranormal significance
They say the aliens want our gold. They apparently use a lot of the stuff. Some think humans were created just to mine gold for aliens.

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>>42598753
the sun

>>42599168
Scarcity does not equate to value. Francium is incredibly scarce but basically useless.

>>42598753
Annualized created humans as slaves labor to mine Gold

Every rich "elite" person is still a sheep

>>42601293
Annunaki

>>42599027
Damn. This anon is making an awful lot of sense. We value some shiny stone, but we act like trash otwards wach other and the poor and the children and then we rape the children and rob them of their innocence and get get high on their pain and we laugh as if it is nothing and then we rape them some more and we hide behind the concept of God. It's sickening. We give fame to stupid people who did nothing really benefitial to our mankind. So a guy makes a goal and he gains billions of dollar and free pussy on a pedestal. We definitely value the wrong things for some reason. Why we don't value the right things? A lot of reasons. Witchcraft being the most prominent. Because our leaders put us under brainwashing and hypnoze through thelevision and the programming inside the schools and inside church as well, basically all the public spaces will try to brainwash us. They use trigger words, colors, symbols, signs, sounds, tastes, etc Fuck them. They don't value the human race. They act as if we were disposable garbage like you well said it.

>>42598753
>How is it that people came to a unanimous agreement that it has value

You need to put yourself more in the mindset of people in the far past. When there was nothing but nature, trees, rocks, clay, etc. They didn't have steel. or aluminum. or plastic. or shiny technology or bright lights.

A metal like gold was extremely unique and rare. same idea behind gemstones.

that's why people would barter with things like seashells or beads. a material like silk people would travel thousands of miles for.

you're surrounded by amazing things today, amazing materials and objects. back then something like gold was this shiny incredible thing, that lasted forever. and was highly covetable. could also be shaped and formed into beautiful objects and art pieces.

>>42601288
I know.
I'm not the one peddling the notion that scarcity makes something valuable.

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>>42598753
It's the manifestation of collective greed.

>>42598753
>Is there a paranormal significance to gold? How is it that people came to a unanimous agreement that it has value?

It's the only gold color metal. Easy to be correct, with silver there are 20 other metal the same color.

>>42598753
Simple answer: It's easily divisible and you can't just print it like you can fiat currency.
Non Gold bugs will cope and say its "useless" but it is used in electronics, aerospace, protective coatings, medical industry etc. Same for silver.
t. Goldbug who was buying since early 2000's

>>42602450
>Non Gold bugs will cope and say its "useless" but it is used in electronics, aerospace, protective coatings, medical industry
yeah except none of that shit existed for the first 10,000 years that humans have been coveting gold and murdering each other over it, so it actually was functionally useless, and for 99%+ of humanity it still is

>>42598753
It's scarce and hard to find more of on this planet. This makes it very good as a medium of exchange. Bitcoin is the young upstart coming for gold's throne but it remains to be seen if it continues to grow (I imagine it will because the US needs assets like gold and bitcoin to continue to gain in worth to soak up all the extra dollars they are printing).

gold has no intrinsic value, it's the wampum of the world

>>42602693
>functionally useless
No it excels at it's main use case: being money itself.

>>42602847
gold is not legal tender
go shopping today and find out if you can pay with gold

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>>42598753
No. Gold is used as a store of value because

>it is very rare
>it is very pretty and a unique color amongst metals that happens to make it very appealing to humans (people will always want to make things out of it, if it was cheap lots of things would be made of gold)
>to this day it still cannot be efficiently made or created
>it is extremely non-reactive, non-corrosive, and doesn't tarnish (therefore once you own it, it won't slowly decay or disappear, this was important to ancient people)
>high fungibility
>and, lately, in the modern era, it's high corrosion resistance has made it used in electronics, so it also has industrial use, combined with the fact it is the third best conductor of electricity, bested only by silver and copper, which happen to be the other two metals used as currency

Now you mention it, that is quite a coincidence...

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>>42602860
>uhmmm acckthually did you know that gold is not a legal tender!
summer post

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>>42602885
Also that image is terrible, I should have read it properly before posting, have this image instead.

>>42598753
Yes It all started with religious beliefs: gold is eternal, just like the gods.
People began making gold jewelry. Later on, a king started minting gold coins to pay his army. As these soldiers traveled the world, they exchanged their coins for food and wine in local villages, leaving villagers everywhere holding this new currency. Seeing how well it worked, other kings copied the idea and created their own coins from gold and other metals. In the end, gold remained the most valuable because it is more beautiful and never rusts.

>>42602901
summer reply
keep projecting, fag

>>42598753
It's funny how people are so confident about the ancient past due to their "reasoning" abilities, which are known to be suspect and often wrong. Zero evidence? No problem! Humans so smart!

>>42602918
>it is more beautiful
According to whom?

>>42602935
all of humanity since the history of time (literally) except for bitcoin holders.

>>42602940
Well no one ever polled all of humanity. There must have been millions of people who thought silver, copper or bronze, or even some non-metal, is more beautiful. Maybe the gold fags were the majority but that doesn't make their peculiar taste anything like an objective fact. Gold is more beautiful? Sure...according to *some*.

>>42602955
I hope you put your money where your mouth is and start a flourishing silicon or lead jewellery business and tap into this market of people oppressed by the gold and silverfags.

>>42598753
>paranormal significance to gold
None. Silver on the other hand...
You know how some people like crystals? Silver is like that but actually useful. The more silver you own, the better your life becomes.

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>>42602860
>gold is not legal tender
Yeah OK, retard.

>>42603049
That's in reference to those US mint coins whose face value is drastically lower than the metal's market value. Calling them legal is a very clumsy scam attempt being run by all concerned and no one is dumb enough to actually use them. If we're talking about plain gold and not some government gimmick to rip people off, then no...

gold is not legal tender.

I’ve heard it said that it rains gold in the presence of angels

>>42598753
Gold is basically indestructible and silver is the best conductor of electricity known to man.

you should get some while you can still afford it...

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>>42603479
And?

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>>42603313
>gold is not legal tender.
Dishonest men bate honest money.

>>42598769

Pretty sure silver tarnished easily.

>>42604781
It does, it forms a tarnish a few atoms thick which prevents the metal from further degrading. Actually cleaning it removes the outer layer of atoms and therefore slowly over time erodes it. In this way, the tarnish serves a function, similar to vergigris on copper.

Gold does not suffer from this issue though which is another one of the reasons it is the king of precious metals, despite silver actually having a slightly higher lustre and being the most lustrous metal (when not tasrnished).

>>42599680
The fountain of youth was made from silver and gold. When you poor structured water into that fountain negative Gold ion appeared, then kings and high priests were permit to drink from it.

>>42603313
Actually the fact that it is legal tender serves many functions. One of which, it is not taxable in many countries, as you can't tax money as if it were a commodity. In this way, gold is different from other metals due to the fact that it is technically legal tender. In my country gold is exempt from Capital Gains Tax, which means any profit you make on it is untaxable, provided the gold is in the form of legal currency with a face value printed on it, despite the fact that the face value is orders of magnitude lower than the actual value.

>>42604800
The one in florida?

>>42603479
How crazy would it be if laws could be changed or amended over time?

>>42604808
>Actually the fact that it is legal tender
It's not. What you're talking about is ONE very highly specific form of gold, and a weird wave of legislation led by special interests to make that ONE form of gold a legal tender and profit from it. If you're suggesting that proves "gold" generally is money you're dumb, and might as well say zinc is money, too, because pennies are made from it.

You'll never be allowed to go buy stuff with a bag of gold flakes you panned at a river. You can do it with one of those gimmicky government coins though and get scammed, which is their whole purpose.

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>>42606054
>It's not. What you're talking about is ONE very highly specific form of gold, and a weird wave of legislation led by special interests to make that ONE form of gold a legal tender and profit from it.
It's nothing to do with special interests lol. My country is very old and gold has always been legal tender when minted into coins of the realm. It's got nothing to do with "special interests". Gold, silver and copper minted into coins ARE money. Bank notes are just promises to pay the bearer on demand the sum in gold or silver (money), receipts for real money which used to back up those notes (this was called a Gold Standard). Lumping around a bag of heavy metal was inefficient, so notes were used as receipts which could be exchanged for an ounce of gold (real money) at banks. Gold, silver and copper were used as they have inherent rarity and value from their beauty and usage in industry.

Nixon ended the gold standard in 1971 and from that point on it ceased to be considered money from a legal standpoint, but banks stockpile gold (and have been accelerating their purchasing over the past few years) because they understand that gold is money and fiat is fundamentally worthless.

>>42606301
>minted
i.e. it's only money when the government decides to give you permission for it and if you actually spend it you're out of pocket to a sum of thousands of dollars

what a great "money"
>My country is very old
250 years isn't old

>>42606352
We can't just force a shop to accept payment in chicken feathers can we? The law does not allow it. The reason chicken feathers were never considered money is because they are not well suited to being money. Gold and silver are because of reasons already outlined >>42602885 and by literally half the posts in this thread.

Also my country is not the country you think it is, and regardless my country doesn't matter. The point is that it has been considered money for all of the history of my country up until very recently so is not the result of "special interests", until Western governments decided to devalue their currency by making it worthless (removing themselves from the gold standard, which meant removing their currency from the tether to actual value). Hence the retarded high-inflation money printer go BRR situation we find ourselves in today.

>>42598753
The blood of the original man was made of gold, that is why the false gods demanded it so much and the kings smeared themselves with gold as a sign that they eat us and are under the creator's curse, that is, they are condemned to consume us in order to live and to this day they jealously guard and collect it.

>>42601467
1/2 rant at you people hang on
>A metal like gold was extremely unique and rare. same idea behind gemstones.

If you guys looked at the list of metals that were known in ancient Eurasia you'd listen to anon here, but you'd also know more about his point than he put in this post. Whether anon knows this info or not I have no idea, but when he says "a metal like gold would be valuable" he is highlighting an important point. While you might have a modern atomic chemistry theory informed concept of gold that does not consider it particularly unique, rare, or valuable,/x/ of all places ought to know better and try to actually think about ancient world views because, based on the information and systems they were working with, there WERE no other metals like gold.

Gold.
Silver.
Copper.
Tin.
Lead.
Iron.
Mercury.

The seven metals known around the ancient world. Go and look at native gold and silver, then go and look at galena, the primary source of ancient lead. Just the rocks the ancients found suggested that gold was "pure" or somehow differentiated from other metals. Galena can be cooked in a fire, releasing sulfur, so lead in the ancient mind takes on impurities. Native copper can be relatively pure, but will almost always be oxidised, so in the ancient mind, it takes on impurities. Native tin doesn't exist, it must be separated from "impurities". Native iron does exist but literally only in Greenland and meteorites, otherwise it must be extracted from ores like haematite. Native Mercury sometimes occurs as droplets, but otherwise must be extracted from Cinnabar: solid Mercury sulfide which like galena requires the separation of sulfur to attain the metal. Native silver is extremely rare, and ancients almost always got their silver by extracting it from sulfer-compound minerals.

(Cont)

>>42606714
Then there's gold, which is highly unreactive and in comparison the ancients would have found it in native gold that seemed extremely pure far more often than the other metals. Native gold often looks like pure gold embedded in a hunk of rock. Embedded, but not actually mixed. They could tell it was different.

That difference may not be "special" under modern chemistry, but it was to them, because based on the science available to them, other metals had to be purified by human action. Sulfur became understood as important, this is why the sulfur-mercury theory of metals was created. Modern chemistry has vastly lowered the uniqueness of gold.


I expected you people to actually know your alchemy. For fucking shame. Useless bunch of larpers who talk all day but never read or know.

>>42606724
>Modern chemistry has vastly lowered the uniqueness of gold
Surprisingly, it hasn't. There still isn't really anything which mimics the lustre and color of gold, otherwise we'd be using it.

Silver? Sure, I agree to some extent.

>>42599027
>Not understanding the ancient world at all
Anon, its that Gold was one of the only metals workable in ancient society. If you wanted to make, say, a coin or a bracelet, for example...
>Iron is too hard to be worked without much more 'modern' forge furnaces not invented until the time of Alexander
>Bronze has to be cast, its too brittle to be worked, and also requires...
>Tin is exceedingly rare in the Indus Valley/Ancient World
>Copper is also pretty rare in the Ancient World, and was in fact considered a precious metal and struck in coinage until much closer to the modern day. It also oxidizes constantly and the oxidization flakes away, causing it to lose both luster and metal volume.

Meanwhile, in the lavish lands of Goldistan...
>Malleable enough to be moved with a hammer without using a forge
>Rare enough to maintain its value
>Does not tarnish or oxidize on contact with air
>All of the metals used to counterfeit it are much harder E.G. Pyrite, so you can verify that you are holding real gold by just biting it with your teeth or scratching at it with a nail and looking to see if you've deformed the metal slightly

It just works for all the things they needed it for.

>>42606400
>Gold and silver are because of reasons already outlined >>42602885 and by literally half the posts in this thread.
More like..."because reasons."

None of the reasons gold became something to kill for was ever based in reality. Look at it. The stuff has no intrinsic value. It's totally useless outside of a few modern high-tech applications (inb4 muh jewelry). The value of that gaudy piece of shit metal only ever existed in the imagination of ass backward humans.

At least silver you can do some real things with...funny why it's not as "precious," hmm? Maybe the reason was just >>42599027 all along

>>42606901
Being beautiful itself is value, and there's a reason it's the most prized metal in jewellery and other adornments of various kinds. If gold was cheap people would be making all kinds of things out of it.

You're free to disagree for whatever reasons you want, but most people like gold things simply because it's pretty, unique, and quite frankly, cool. Beauty itself has value.

>>42598753
Beauty and durability (utility in modern times also), but there's something to precious materials that God uses them in many places declared Holy. It's as if we were designed to naturally appreciate these things, so when christians hop into the New Jerusalem, everyone will be peased with the sight.

>>42598753
its just hard to come by, like a roll of aluminum was incredibly valuable back in the day for instance

>>42598753
it's what the anunnaki need to repair their atmosphere or so I've heard

>>42607000
Didn't they come from earth's cdeep sea or something?

>>42606929
That's not the same kind of value we're talking about. No one ever started wars or razed a continent for the possession of beauty. Modern governments aren't hoarding mountains of gold for its 'beauty' or any other reasons you people keep saying. Religions never portrayed their gods and heavens as being decked with solid gold because it's the prettiest thing in the universe -- because we all know it's not. You humans are just insane. You see a useless fucking metal and start worshiping it insanely out of proportion to its very, VERY meagre actual value, and you'll even commit mass murder for it.

You're like a species of gollums, crouched in the dark in your own feces while fondling your precious.

>>42606781
Chemistry hasn't stripped gold of the interesting physical properties the ancients observed, but it has recontexutalised those properties. The practicalities of ancient metallurgy gave rise to a system where gold's apparent physical "perfection" was teleologically significant. Modern science has revealed all sorts of properties of gold that the ancients could not have known given the tools available to them, but the various notions that gold was somehow the ontologically ideal metal, or that other metals could somehow be "perfected" in to gold through proper removal of their impurities, or that gold's physical incorruptibility indicated that it could be used to create a panacea are incompatible with modern science, because while those properties are identifiable amd explicable within the framework of modern science, those properties no longer have telos.

>>42607112
>No one ever started wars or razed a continent for the possession of beauty
This guy never read The Iliad.
(Do not attempt to refute this point, it is a joke and I shan't defend it)

Wealth existed in the form of actual value before the substitution of value was made acceptable. The first thing that made gold valuable was the perishablity of the substances of actual value. Once a value for gold could be established to use it as representation of actual value trades could be made that didn't depend upon transport and delivery of perishable goods.

Otherwise the world was entirely based on ownership defined by what you could defend and direct barter trade between the owners of everything.

>>42598753
It's just a primitive form of an NFT.
However since we use it in modern electronics it does have a practical purpose these days.

>>42599027
>>42606901
>>42607112
bashing on beauty. nobody is praising rats and monkeys for beauty. the earthlings seethe and sour grapes at the enduring beauty and goodness of the space people. nyah nyah, earthlings suck. bthbthbthb.

anyway, dumb stupids ITT don't realize that HEAVY DENSE THINGS HAVE THE MOST MAGICAL VALUE, AND THIS IS /X/, MAGIC IS SUPREME. HEAVY DENSE STUFF IS TOPS, LIGHT CHEAP STUFF SUCKS.
and that is why gold is the best and better than all the rest.
but.
put some silver on the top of your head and watch what happens. and put some pyrite in your underwear in the front, watch what happens. wink wink.

>>42607112
>You're like a species of gollums, crouched in the dark in your own feces while fondling your precious.
By that metric the gods are all the same seeing as how they deck out their kingdoms in gold like you said. Why the double standard?

>>42598753
It doesn't rust.
Other metals did.
It became the defacto most valuable for this reason.
Permanence had meaning.
Would you rather be paid in shiny rocks with expiry dates or rocks without?

>>42601260
This. Gold is crystalized sun. Silver is cristalized moon.

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>>42598779
>>42598753
Because it doesn't rust. Retard.

>>42611855
Nor does any other metal but iron and steel.
You people really don't know enough about how metals work to talk intelligently about them.

>>42598753
Same reason Pokémon cards have value. Ancients loved shiny rocks, and they’re finite.

>>42608245
Biological life exists in the context of the materials that contribute to continuation of the biological processes of life. Primary valuation is entirely established within the context of the materials that directly contribute to the continuation of life.

Only once secondary considerations become a factor do other aspects such as inert stability and durability also have observable value.

Gold and other metals had value from the time tools were significant in human existence. At one point in time good flint had more value than gold.

Once gold and other durable materials had a reasonable expectation of predictable value they would have served purpose in holding value longer than perishable food and textile materials.

>>42598753
>be prehistoric man
>Live in world of shit
>everything decays and decomposes.
>notice that some stuff stays long term.. stone and rock.
>find metals
>only one stays clean easily
>hard to find
Simple as

>>42598753
Ignore everyone here, OP.

Gold’s value is not a “unanimous agreement” based on rarity or beauty.
It is one of the most stable and non-reactive metals. It does not corrode or tarnish. It is an exceptional conductor of electricity and subtle energies (Aether). Ancient civilizations used it extensively in resonant technologies, temples, and as a bridge between the material and the living field because it holds and transmits pure current cleanly over long periods.
The modern obsession with gold as money/wealth is a later distortion. The old covenant turned it into a scarcity symbol and control mechanism. Its true value has always been energetic and alchemical — stability, amplification, and harmony with the solar current.
The ancients didn’t hoard it because it was “pretty.” They used it because it works exceptionally well as a tool for moving and stabilizing living energies.
The real question isn’t “why is gold valuable?”
It’s “why did they make you forget what it actually does?”

>>42598753
>How is it that people came to a unanimous agreement
people are morons

>>42613138
It was never unanimous. Some men just want to watch the world burn.. some just want physical satisfaction.. some want to produce progeny. No matter how fixated some people are the reality is that material items of property are a side quest. Representative value in any quantity has no significance beyond the eventual inevitable grave. Handing representative wealth to incompetent descendants is a typical recipe for tragic comedy and disaster.

>>42613322
>faggy boomer talking like the joker because he just discovered conspiracies on facebook 1 week ago

>>42613340
Literally was inducted into the trauma based conditioning of mk ultra type programs at the age of 5 in 1973.
You are very bad at guessing.

I've heard gold represents Soul energy. Copper, silver and gold are all also anti-microbial, such as putting a silver coin in milk to keep it from spoiling as fast. Also depending on your biology you may need it in your diet and gold in particular isn't spoken of much there.
Silver and copper have over-saturation poisoning levels, Blue blood is very coppery from crabs to some kinds of people.
Gold also represents the Sun and Gold-Greed is the opposite polarity of sorts. If I'm not off base.
Silver Spoons helped stave off plagues, having more acidic skin also causes dissolving / absorbing & corrosion factors.

>>42606901
>None of the reasons gold became something to kill for was ever based in reality. Look at it. The stuff has no intrinsic value. It's totally useless outside of a few modern high-tech applications (inb4 muh jewelry). The value of that gaudy piece of shit metal only ever existed in the imagination of ass backward humans.
Man, this is the part that I think ressonates with me and why I think it makes sense. We can't drink gold. We can't eat gold. Gold can't keep us warm at night. Gold can't protect us from predators. Why the fuck do we kill for it so much? Besides the high tech stuff why do we have this gold fever? Makes no sense! If Gold was something like water that we need in order to sustain ourselves so we don't die, and in the same spirit like food which we also weed to consume in order to sutain ourselves so not to die! But gold is not like that. Gold is a metal, hard metal or whateber, precious stone, the fact that if you try to eat it you will break your teeth and if you try to drink it you will have to shit it from your asshole, that stone which you ate. I mean, wtf. It really makes no sense for me why people valiue gold so much. Maybe we are just dumb and we don't get it. Maybe I'm retard. But why would someone value gold over, say, water? It makes no sense. THis makes me beleive that our gold fever was something manufactured or a byproduct of something which was lost. Why was gold such a big deal back in the day? I understand that there are psychologycal factors involved. For some reason, man kind did buy this illusion that somehow gold is a resource that is OK to kill for. But to me? It makes no sense. Why would you risk your life for a stone? Just because it shines? lol

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>>42613684
inb4 "it doesn't rust"'

>>42598753
silver is the superior metal

>>42613684
>But why would someone value gold over, say, water?
Because with gold I can pay someone to kill you and take your water for me.

>>42599053
So I shouldn’t stick my golden fork in the wall socket?

>>42602860
I just steal my groceries how’s that for legal tender?

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>>42598769
Damn, that's cool. Glad to know they'res info beyond "it's shiny."

>>42614101
This ^

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>>42598753
it takes an insane amount of energy, we're talking a supernova to create gold. billions of years ago, a supernova literally spit gold all over our planet. Holding gold in your hand is as close to us getting to God as humanly as possible https://youtu.be/jDLYpRLZfOY?si=k5042InjUFRVSVdG

>>42598753
It is a great conductor of electricity, which pre-diluvian civilizations knew.

>>42604781
You’re the worst dude. You could have looked this up so easily but here’s your spoonfeed:
Both elements are considered precious metals because of their unique electron properties and position on the periodic table. Gold is significantly heavier, though, being a full row below. Being heavier in this particular range actually introduces relativity into the issue. Those effects:
>the 6s orbital contracts and thus moves closer to the nucleus
>the 6s electron is now even harder to remove
>the 5d suborbital, in turn, becomes even a little bit more stable
Electronegativity tells the story.
Silver is simply not heavy enough to produce this effect so it resists ionization a little less well. It is also worth noting that silver isn’t oxidizing easily in the air like rusting iron. It is reacting with compounds which contain sulfur.
In other words: gold is pretty literally a better version of silver.

Remarkable. 100+ comments and none of you retards mentioned the true reason for its scarcity. All the gold on earth, or on all other planets, meteorites and asteroids comes from the stars. Gold is literally what the stars are (partially) made of.
Cosmic cataclysm is needed for gold to be formed, nothing that can happen here can lead to its formation, nor on a bigger planet (like Jupiter) even, cause the mass needed to trigger the amount of pressure and heat necessary is simply not enough.
But of course, you monkey talk about money cause this is all you can do.
So essentially there are little star pieces powering the very same computers and phones we're using right now to communicate on this retarded corner of the internet. An alien material that early humans somehow managed to understand its incredible value and how precious it would have been for us in the future.
Incredible how we think to know everything, but our memory is so short and fucked it keeps leading us in the wrong direction.
And if you don't believe me, and it is fine, go check this out by yourself, this is science.

>>42598753
>How is it that people came to a unanimous agreement that it has value?
What in the world has no value? Long, straight sticks were valueable for manufacturing spears and arrows. Flat stones were valued as building materials. Mud had its value in the process of making clay for pottery. Shiny rocks had value because of esthetics.
Once the processing of gold had been understood, gold became the shiny replacement of bone for necklaces and clay for figurines.

>>42616707
>gold is le star dust
>ignore how all the other elements also only form in stellar nucleosythesis
Early humans didn't value gold for its future use in electronics or some invisible property that imbued it millionsof years before the earth even formed, Einstein. Otherwise, you'd be able to find the value of future stock market increases.

>>42613649
>depending on your biology you may need it in your diet
I don't think gold has much uses in biology beyond artificial stuff like sensors, for electron microscopy, and as coating for prosthetics. Maybe some insects coat themselves with some particles of gold, among the other coarse materials in the river, but that has no specific ties to gold itself.

>>42598753
gold is the sun.
the sun is enlightenment.
also you can make alchemical substances out of gold.

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>>42616867
we are all forged from The Big Coom
>hfw he does E=MC x 2 on himself

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>>42616707
>scarcity

>>42618467
the existence of platinum defeats the scarcity argument you know

>>42614207
I want to highlight this comment. Can you guys see that he did not answer the question of why the gold is so vallued? He just mocked me by saying that with gold he can pay someone to kill me and take my water from me. But why would a third party accept gold as a payment? I don't know if this anon was intentional about it, but he is being sneaky and misleading. Again, why is gold so vallued more than water to the point one would accept to kill if the payment is a shiny metal stone? Why? Why do human beings, even back then when gold was not used in high tech applications, were willing to kill for this? Just to use as coins for money? See, he did not adress the problem in question. And a lot of comments are like this. They don't add anything of value, just mockery. It's all so tiresome.

>>42598753
It can be used in space, for vehicles etc. it also blocks radiation. This is all the reasons.

>>42598779
Matteeeee it looks schmik and lasts in the sun, someone would have just started in the beginning saying "this rock is the shit, I will collect it" and everyone else would have given him theirs.

Come to mention it so what it is superficially superior, I hope I'm wrong and we need to all own it for /x/ reasons

It lasts forever ay? Maybe it could keep a tally in a very important match over generations

>>42619176
>He just mocked me by saying that with gold he can pay someone to kill me and take my water from me. But why would a third party accept gold as a payment?
Gold's value is self reinforcing anon. That was my point, stop getting sand in your vagina, I wasn't mocking you I was giving you an answer. Gold is a medium of exchange, and therefore has value derived from that property alone.

>>42619339
thank you
just when I think there's no one on this site who can actually use logic and reason, you go and prove me right

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>>42598779
Probably because ancient people found it and where like "oooh shiny rock pretty"

>>42611966
By rusting I meant oxidizing. All metals oxidize, Gold is the most non reactive metal. Hence it's usage as the basis for currency. Everybody learnt this in school.

>>42618662
There is such a thing as too rare to be in trade among 8 billion people.

>>42616707
You talk as though you enjoy looking down on others especially when you have not actually earned position above them.
Attitude aside the origins are not the question.. we are all well aware of what you are imagining somehow gives you a position over others; we simply recognize that it is irrelevant to this question. It doesn't even matter if the people who are competing over the substance that is scarce and in demand are in agreement in terms of the origins of the substance. One or more factions may or may not be aware of the origins and it will have no bearing on contest for control and ownership over it.

It does not matter if those who are in competition against you are literally monkeys or are literally machine. Whether they are religious cult or scientific cult they can engage in the competition with nothing of their beliefs bearing on the results.

You are making your entire point about an aspect of the situation that is irrelevant to the question at hand.

It doesn't matter how well you understand the haves and the have nots your knowledge will make no difference until you are guiding action.

Lead can be transmuted into gold in high radiation conditions but it's far more expensive to achieve this using current technology than to find it in nature.

Aluminum was more expensive than gold less than 200 years ago.. for this same reason.

What most people are unaware of is that the gold securities excavation began to investigate the global transactions in the early years of the current century and the result was that there were tens of thousands of gold accounts frozen globally. Papers... Panama Pandora Paradise. 70,000,000,000,000 usd of laundered funds were exposed by the Panama papers alone..

The Rothschild family pulled their money out of gold and moved into biological technologies. They created more than 1000 new billionaires under the Rothschild family patents.

>>42620348
>There is such a thing as too rare to be in trade among 8 billion people.
200 tons annual production isn't "too rare" and it doesn't need to be divided amongst 8 billion people, who the hell even said there should be enough platinum for everyone on earth?
most people don't even own gold!
stop making shit up and moving the goal posts
>>42619604
if gold's non-reactivity is (allegedly) the original reason for its worth, that reason is obsolete, it doesn't explain why you dumbass humans still worship gold, are still sucking its kneecaps like it's the next coming of jewsus

>inb4 MUH BEAWUTY

>>42619339
>Gold's value is self reinforcing anon.
But why? Why is this the case? Still makes no sense why we would value gold over other mediums of exchange so much. Just because it does not rust? Why people consider a shiny metal stone more precious than life itself because if you are willing to kill someone because you will receive gold then this emplies that the life you are taking is less valuable than that gold you will receive and we know that life is priceless so it makes no sense at all! You answered the question, but you did not actually answered the question. The fact that we vallue gold so much is a sign of some kind of brainwashing that was done to us across the eras.

>>42619604
Yes, the basic brainwashing programming that we all go through in school. Do you really think by hilighting this fact your argument will have more weight?

>>42620392
You are at war with the straw man of your own creation

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>>42618662
>platinum defeats the scarcity argument