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>>42608770meditatehttps://ia803200.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/26/items/ebook-buddhism-2/EBOOK%20BUDDHISM%202.rar&file=EBOOK%20BUDDHISM%202%2FSUDAH%2FNOVICE%2FENG%2FUpasaka%20Culadasa_The%20Mind%20Illuminated.pdf
>buddhist evangelists pretend to not be the same as christians thread #3459456
>>42608770aa AH SHA SA MA HAMA BEN DHARMA RA RAHA GAN GA AH SHA LASA DEN DHARMA DA LIGA HA NA AH LI DA HA MA SA SHA GI YOplease watch and listen at least once https://youtu.be/cAYFgr5ld18?is=_0981NF3C3JUnzzx
https://suttacentral.net/sn54.13/en/sujato?lang=en
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>>42608877Christians are stuck within time and history and mistake deva realms as the final state
>>42609662>>42610218https://suttacentral.net/snp1.8/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin>>42608877buddhism is aryan and christianity is semitic>>42611258this
>>42608877The fuck is a buddhist evangelical. Like-minded people are connecting here, no one is preaching.
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"Rebirth is a requirement for old age and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress to come to be. The sequence is recapped in forward order (anuloma, Ud 1.1:1.4). That is how this entire mass of suffering originates.‘Rebirth is a requirement for old age and death’—that’s what I said. And this is a way to understand how this is so. The Buddha now takes up each of the terms in more depth. Suppose there were totally and utterly no rebirth for anyone anywhere. This emphatic phrasing drives home that “cessation” (nirodha) is not simply temporary suppression or non-arising, but permanent and complete absence. That is, there were no rebirth of sentient beings into their various realms—of gods, centaurs, spirits, creatures, humans, quadrupeds, birds, or reptiles, each into their own realm. When there’s no rebirth at all, with the cessation of rebirth, would old age and death still be found?No, sir.”>Rebirth is a requirement for old age and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress to come to be.Besides old age and death isn't this contradictory? Why would sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness and distress depend on rebirth?
Anybody read the Shobogenzo by Dgzochen? I'm about halfway thru the audiobook on YouTube. Not getting much out of it but I'm not sure if it's the reader or audiobook medium. I think if I read it I'd go over each sentence 3-5x. The thing goes right thru me. It's kind of just a formality for me to get through the whole thing bc I want to learn Soto Zen
>>42612181"Dogen Zenji" and "Dgzochen" do not refer to the same thing anon
>>42612196Lmao why does bad stuff always happen to me I made my mistakesLife is a nightmare
>>42612199It's actually a normal-ish thing but that they're not closer (like real anagrams) indicates you're a bit sloppy with your language.>>42612181If you want to learn Soto Zen you use Google Fu to find a local temple and when their open/newcomer days are. Maybe they have an introduction course too.At least that's how it works with Rinzai Zen.
>>42612110>sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness and distress depend on rebirth?These are the things we experience in life and call suffering.
>>42612196>>42612199It seems the universe kind of goes easy on people who conflate the two because they are both about how enlightenment is already known a priori
>>42612201>Rinzai ZenLet me ask, does your practice in a place like America suffer because the abbot can't hit you with a stick and jolt your memory, etc?
>>42612210The second time I visited the abbot hit me over the head by calling me an addict at the coffee table, I can't suffer in my fatherland Europe.
I don't like the word "abott" though, we don't use that here in Germany."Zen Master" and "Roshi" are both appropriate for someone with a proper lineage who has received Inka, mine prefers their Dharma name.
>>42612206If you read the discourse he is talking about other realms of existence as well. The implication is can there be said things without rebirth, if there can't it would be pretty weird.
>>42612379>he is talking about other realms of existence as well.Yes and you can experience these things in other realms or if you live as a deva (gods) too. It's a common theme that Enlightened Buddhists teach the dharma to the spirits, gods and "demons".
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>>42612394Yes, experiencing those is evident, but the implicit statement>Rebirth is a requirement for old age and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress to come to be.gives the impression>sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distresswould not exist outside existence that does not undergo rebirth.
I want to study Soto Zen but it's like, you are already Buddha, and I'm like what do I do now. Also Shobogenzo Dogen says people who say they've seen the Self-Nature make him die laughing, now I don't know if I'm being deceived by myself. If I'm Enlightened, it's literally the most mundane thing. Thing is I keep getting more radical, my attitude toward the world is like a Cathar. There's no point to anything and Japanese Zen is so passive, I wonder if I can take the peace/Chan from it but leave the PLUM BLOSSOM ART for the Japanese
>>42612852>and I'm like what do I do nowSimple, just get inka at a nice temple.
>>42612852>If I'm Enlightened, it's literally the most mundane thing.Making it permanent and count in any and all situations is the logical conclusion, or you might embrace it like you said and admit everything is pointless, which they are.
I've found these monk's teachings to be helpful.https://www.youtube.com/@HillsideHermitage
what is nothingness? the thing your consciousness now inhabits has evolved to know nothing, it does so in prior, before forming consciousness of the thing, nothingness goes through circuitry making sure the attention doesn't reach nothingness, it is until the circuitry is convinced nothingness solves something it allows nothingness to reach consciousness without disruption. "oh, this is so boring, _I_ need SOMETHING to do..." "i can't do this, that doesn't make any sense" "there is no POINT doing this", and so on, the lies from your body are endless. when in contrary all of those lies lead to the exact opposite conclusion, "oh, this is so FANTASTIC, i don't need to do anything" "perfect, i can do this, this doesn't make sense" (consciousness is expanded past the thing), "there is POINT doing this". the earlier you understand the thing manipulates you the easier it is to detach from thinking towards knowing, knowing nothing. you can at any time go front of a mirror and speak out your feelings, the thing doesn't lie about the feelings, because you know what the body is about to say BEFORE it says (mind always claims ownership after the fact), and this BEFORE is a strong feeling you will know if you are saying the truth or not, if the body squirms or gives gut wrenching excuses you will know it, BEFORE you make a sound. once the speaking comes with discharge like confession, you will know the thing is speaking the truth. "i am so tired, i can't do this anymore" "i can't take this anymore, it's too much" "i am so angry they did this to me" and so on, the thing will tell you its condition unconditionally, all you have to do is LISTEN and pay attention, by resolving whatever is bothering the thing, as they are done with and behind the THING, it can finally focus its attention to NOW, allowing nothingness to fill it. the thing like with spiders or other "scary" things, has to become accustomed to the nothingness little by little, it is predispositioned to avoid nothing
>>42612410Rebirth = samsaraNirvana= no rebirth
>>42615895Yes, but the implication here is to make the distinction between birth and rebirth, if there is. To say there is only rebirth what came to be in the first place? There has to be a birth or development of some kind that eventually leads to rebirth or discovering the root of said birth preceding everything. If there is only rebirth it would mean there is no inherent distinction between birth and rebirth, not disclosing this is contradictory/insufficient explanation from Siddhartha.
>>42616654Can you find a begining?These types of metaphysical and philosophical questions are mostly a waste of time and irrelevant to liberation. On the contrary they become a hindrance since it's rooted in ignorance and clinging to question with no answer. It's a desire seeking a satisfactory answer to the great mystery. The question "why do we exist" I think is the very seed as to why we exist in the first place. It ignorance, not knowing, the first link in dependent origination. From the nothing an impulse arises and that becomes a being seeking answers, it's "God experiencing itself", which are illusions. A dream begins when you fall asleep, the Buddha taught how to awaken.
>>42615783hello NOTHINGbro, does entertainment of any kind has any effect after gnosis? can you laugh ?
>>42618265NTA but after gnosis I exclusively watch kung fu movies, just in case they shoot a Buddha statue or say Namo Amitabha. I also only come on /x/ in case I'm able to say something about the Dharma. I can't listen to music anymore. Most of my laughs come from synchronicities when I'm listening to Zen literature
>>42608770>https://youtu.be/l6PkmzpMFoUBtw Shobogenzo is 1000 pages but if you listen to this 1 chapter of the audiobook you will get a summary of Soto Zen.
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>>42617426>Can you find a begining?If I cant do a backflip, does that mean backflips are impossible?
>>42619937Death is the other side of life, you have to experience it.
>>42618265>can you laugh ?when you are naturally withdrawn the attention hovers close to your core, the core that remains when all the fluff and opportunism is peeled off. it is the unshakable, the realest the most serious and stiff truth about the thing from which nothing expands, like having a hard shell that reveals the soft silky reality that undoes the thing, the thing which nothingness has worked for all its "existence". it is the innermost layer of "auras", ordinarily numb people, exhausted people, burnt out people face this layer. the layer is ordinarily not so distinct in these moments, because the deterred cohesion isn't keeping the thing intact. the moment the thing is intact it expands the layer outwards, you will feel these fuzzy feelings around you, they are from nothingness, yet your thing utilizes those for its own agenda. if you can move your attention to the innermost layer of being it doesn't matter what you do when you do where you do, there is no effect, there is no confusion. laughing is about flushing energy out of centers that are being contradicted, you may see this when you are exhausted, the body tries to understand but it can't therefore it tries to get rid of the contradiction by flushing it out, which laughing naturally achieves. because humor is about imagination where you combine conflicting concepts, most often it is hard to make serious people laugh, as they are trying to instigate wisdom, people that are in for the drama try to instigate conflict, because in conflict thing thrives and reveals itself, the thing cannot stop unmasking itself in conflict, this is how people lure other people to reveal themselves, namely those socially active. and a conflict is always about bringing tension down through discharge, and tension builds from uncertainty, fear and beliefs. "will this happen again" "how can i prevent that" "that cannot be left alone" as long as the conflicts are not about yourself the demises are funny, "they are stupid"...
I'm about halfway thru the Shobogenzo. I wanted to put the ideas on Zen and sects like Soto down for myself and also in case anyone is interested. This isn't my opinion it's Dogen in the Shobogenzo. The Shobogenzo is titled, "Right Dharma Eye Treasury." It is supposed to be the secret and/or disciplic teaching passed from Sakyamuni to Mahakasyapa. Buddha held up a flower and winked, andonly Mahakasyapa responded, with a short smile. This is the transmission of the robe and Dharma from the Ancestral Masters, which ends in the passing of the same robe to the Sixth Patriarch (See Platform Sutra, it's on YouTube), who ends up preaching the "direct transmission of realization." This is why Masters in the disciplic succession are able to transmit the Dharma using a frown or a raised eyebrow, which the vulgar often parrot as "pointing at the moon."The key is that this Zen sect, more on sects after, is actually not a sect of Buddhism but is the secret passed from Buddha to Mahakasyapa to Bodhidharma to Huineng, the Sixth Patriarch. Huineng's master told him not to pass the robe or his lifespan would be short as a hanging thread. So on sects, the misunderstanding is that Zen is a sect of Buddhism. Dogen says Zen is not a sect of Buddhism and "demonic legions" started speaking of a "sect of Zen Buddhism" to confuse the Dharma. What people seem to be confused about is that they are not aware of a direct transmission from Buddha to Bodhidharma to the Sixth Patriarch, which works much the same way as apostolic succession in Catholicism. Zazen, colloquially shortened to "Zen," is actually a transliteration of 'dhyana', and actually essentially denotes the patriarchal lineage beginning with Bodhidharma's emigration from India, currently held by the Zen Masters of Japan.
>>42620045A backflip is observable and can be practiced. Do you have to know who did the first backflip in history to be able to do one? The conditions of life is observable, cause and effect can be figured out. Remedies can be practiced.
>>42621658do you happen to know Suzanne, that nondualtuber? she has practiced this style of communicating without a lot of words like "I" and "you".
>>42622537>The core teaching of Dzogchen is Rigpa (primordial awareness). It asserts that your true nature is already fully perfect, enlightened, and identical to the mind of Buddha. You do not need to alter, improve, or manufacture this state; you only need to recognize it>Unlike other Buddhist paths that use complex visualizations or breath control, the primary practice of Dzogchen is Trekchö ("cutting through"). You simply relax completely into the present moment, allowing thoughts to arise and dissolve on their own without chasing or suppressing them.
